Yanmega

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#469: Yanmega

Yanmega was a pretty cool guy in Gen 4, destroying the Elite Four, wrecking UU whilst he was allowed in and then proceeding to be a cool anti-lead for OU (although not necessarily an effective one) Unfortunately, gen 5 has not been good to him in any aspect. The only new things he gets are Frisk and, what, Bug Repellant? In return, things like Nattorei have come in who make him choose between HP Fire (thus death by Heatran) or not (thus layer upon layer of hazards), there are new, more exciting and viable Speed Boosters such as Sharpedo and Blaziken, who have far better STAB coverage. Heck, even as a Tinted Lens used he's now outclassed by Venomoth, because he's pretty much the only bug who doesn't get Butterfly Dance now. -_-

It's looking pretty bleak for Yanmega, but maybe he'll be allowed back into UU now that there's so much competition for him?

Base Stats

86 / 76 / 86 / 116 / 56 / 95​

-- Night Slash
-- Bug Bite
-- Tackle
-- Foresight
prev Hypnosis
prev Wing Attack
Lv6 Quick Attack
Lv11 Double Team
Lv14 Sonicboom
Lv17 Detect
Lv22 Supersonic
Lv27 Uproar
Lv30 Pursuit
Lv33 Ancientpower
Lv38 Feint
Lv43 Slash
Lv46 Screech
Lv49 U-Turn
Lv54 Air Slash
Lv57 Bug Buzz

Toxic
Hidden Power
Sunny Day
Hyper Beam
Protect
Frustration
Solarbeam
Return
Psychic
Shadow Ball
Aerial Ace
Facade
Rest
Attract
Thief
Troll
Giga Impact
Flash
Bug Repellant
Psych Up
Dream Eater
Swagger
Substitute

Whirlwind
Reversal (lol)
Leech Life
Signal Beam
Silver Wind
Faint Attack
Double Edge
Secret Power

Steel Wing
Roost
Endure
Silver Wind
Captivate
Sleep Talk
Natural Gift

Air Cutter
Ominous Wind
Snore
Swift
Mud Slap
Signal Beam
String Shot
Tailwind
Headbutt
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As you can see, Yanmega really hasn't gotten anything of note, and it doesn't help that half of his egg moves are inferior Bug type moves. So I suppose it's worth pointing out the positives which made Yanmega so good in the first place.

> Good Speed and Special Attack.
> Bolstered by two exclusive and powerful abilities.

Now, lets see how these have been shot down in Gen 5.

> His Special Attack is, urm, nothing special anymore thanks to power creep. Seriously, with pokémon like Roopushin, Hihidaruma and Shandera running around with 140+ attacking stats and no drawbacks, Yanmega may prove underwhelming. Not to mention that there's going to be some seriously bulky pokémon this gen that can take hits from him all day, thanks to the Prevo stone.
> His abilities are no longer anywhere near exclusive, with Speed Boost being given to Sharpedo and Blaziken, and Tinted Lens being given to a lot of rival Bug types. Sharpedo and Blaziken can both pull Speed Boost off better than Yanmega thanks to superior attacking stats, better movepools, and no crippling weakness to Stealth Rock. Blaziken even gets Baton Pass, which sure as hell screws Ninjask over. Venomoth can also take the cake as a rival Tinted Lens user thanks to the epic Butterfly Dance, which is surprisingly absent from Yanmega's movepool. If only Yanmega got Calm Mind... :)

All in all, Yanmega's best bet now is probably in its Choice Specs set, since it still has much higher SpA and Speed stats than Venomoth initially, preventing it from being outclassed. That, and it's fairly bulky for a Bug type. Shame about Stealth Rock...

Yanmega @ Choice Specs
Tinted Lens, Modest
4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Speed

~ Bug Buzz
~ Air Slash
~ HP Ground / Electric / Giga Drain
~ U Turn

Bug Buzz and Air Slash will dent most things, use the appropriate HP for anything you want to try and lure in, like Heatran or Gyarados. Giga Drain is also there should you fancy some healing and an option against bulky waters. U Turn is for scouting, which will hopefully be more viable now that Stealth Rock is harder to set (go Erufuun and Espeon!)

Ultimately, Yanmega may still be too powerful for UU with this set, but it's certainly going to have a much rougher time in OU. If it still remains banned from UU, then be prepared to never see it again.

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Yeah, this seems to be dark times for one of my favorites. If only he could run choice specs and choice scarf at the same time, and didn't have a weakness to stealth rocks... As well as bug being x4 resisted by EVERYTHING (which with tinted lens means it's just resisted).

A choice specs yanmega will still deal more damage than a venomoth with a butterfly dance under his belt though, although yanmega will be slower.
 
yanmega venomoth and heracross are my favorite pokemons now enter aianto too xD
is a shame yanmega didnt get buterfly dance but i mean buterfly dance tinded lens yanmega would be just scary but the thing yanmega has over the fellow bugs is speed boost of course blaziken and sharpedo got those too but yanmega can ohko them both with air slash and bug buzz so they cant really switch in also you can attack right away and not lose a turn setting up buterfly dance so if yanmega gets butterfly dance in grey good if not she can still destroy most UU metagame
 
What this guy really needed was a better attack stat. He actually has some usable physical moves, with stuff like U Turn, Night Slash and Pursuit. If he was Bug/Dark and had 96 attack, he could run a very decent mixed set with Air Slash, U Turn, Pursuit / Night Slash and something else, probably Bug Buzz or the other Dark move. They both give him a good way of punishing the ghosts who resist bug buzz on speed boost sets, and provide a good physical option too.
 
It would have been awesome if Yanmega got Butterfly Dance. It wouldn't have even been broken. With Speed Boost yanmega wouldn't even have to invest in speed and could be bulky as hell with its decent HP/Defense and +1 Spec. Def. With Tinted Lens it could still be bulky but could just hit harder.

Oh well. :( Yanmega is still cool though in all tiers.
 
I lol'd at the fact that Sharpedo and Blaziken also make better leads with Speed Boost.

Yanmega has absolutely no use. It didn't even get Butterfly Dance, making it less appealing that Venomoth and even Mothim.
 
Losa said:
Speed Boost has never been exclusive to Yanmega. Just saying :)
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I don't like to count Ninjask as a pokémon. :D Suffice it to say Yanmega was the only good user of it.

Also, whoa whoa whoa, Yanmega is still better than Mothim, since it won't die to a light breeze and it has much better initial stats.
 
Yanmega's not a butterfly. It should have gotten Dragonfly Gymnastics or some such equivilent.

As it is I'm not really sure what Mega can even do in standard now he's completely outclassed at pretty much everything he can do. Urugamosu and Venomoth completely outclass it and even Mothim and goddamn freakin Butterfree have potential to do more damage.

Although I do think Mega still has a niche since he actually has more immediate strength than most of BDers and I highly doubt he'll wind up in the same tier as Urugamosu and Venomoth so he may not be completely outclassed; but that'll hinge on what envrionment he ends up in.

Losa said:
Speed Boost has never been exclusive to Yanmega. Just saying :)
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True, but the other Speed Booster served a completely different role. Blaziken and Sharpedo are both sweepers like Mega and they hit a lot harder, even if they aren't Specially oriented. Although with that said until they are actually released they're pretty much irrelevent outside of Pokemon Online.
 
Yanmega will shine when we get multiple abilities (I'm talking gen VI here lol). The combination of Tinted Lens and Speed Boost would allow to ev this thing to be a ultimate beast. Sadly, we cannot have that...
 
Ech0ez said:
Yanmega's not a butterfly. It should have gotten Dragonfly Gymnastics or some such equivalent.
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I loled.

Thing is, as a suicide lead, Yanmega gets 70% acc Hypnosis to screw up Nattorei (who WILL have Shed Shell). Fuck you Blaziken and Sharpedo, Yanmega is boss.
 
Rayquaza_ said:
Doredia doesn't look like a butterfly either...
Anyway you're seriously bashing this pokemon. It's not bad at all even in Gen 5.
Why bother with Butterfly dance when you can just slap Speed Boost and Choice Specs on it?
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Because he suffers from "Two Amazing Abilities Syndrome".

Specs Speed Boost is great, but he will be missing out on all the great stuff that Tinted Lens gives him.

But if he doesn't run Speed Boost, it will be easier to revenge him.

Oh, the dilemma!
 
Rayquaza_ said:
Why bother with Butterfly dance when you can just slap Speed Boost and Choice Specs on it?
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Because Blaziken and Sharpedo can do it better with Choice Band sets. :P Admittedly, Yanmega has the edge in special attack, so I really think that Choice Specs is now its biggest niche.
 
GtM said:
Because Blaziken and Sharpedo can do it better with Choice Band sets. :P Admittedly, Yanmega has the edge in special attack, so I really think that Choice Specs is now its biggest niche.
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I don't see how they "do it better" when these three Pokemon are completely different from each other apart from the shared ability. Yanmega is in no way outclassed by those two just because they also have speed boost, just as you wouldn't say Jirachi outclasses Togekiss, for example, as a Serene Grace user. They fulfill different roles due to different typing, stat distributions, and movepools.

Anyway, a Speed Boost Choice Specs set doesn't sound to bad, though it doesn't seem to have ever been used much in 4th gen. Flinching with boosted Air Slashs early to mid game and Cleaning up late game with auto boosted Sp.atk and Spd and your attack of choice seems very viable-but I think I would prefer a Tinted Specs set most of the to smash anything that switches in.
 
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