Torterra Discussion

[Molk]

Torterra is a very big threat in the NU at the moment, with the large amount of sets it can run effctively, its excellent bulk, and god resistances to common types, torterra can be a very intimidatig threat in the NU tier. Furthermore, torterra gets access to supporting moves such as Stealth Rock and leech seed to support your team, making torterra a good team player if need be. imo Torterra is one of the best tanks in NU and deserves way more usage, please use torterra more, its worth it

Sets:
[SET]
name: Rock Polish
move 1: Rock Polish
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Wood Hammer
move 4: Stone Edge / Synthesis
item: Life Orb
ability: Overgrow
nature: Adamant
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

Torterra's most dangerous set by far, being able to absolutly destroy unprepared teams with little effot, torterra is a monster to face in battle. Torterra Reaches 422 speed after a rock polish, outrunning mos of the metagame, and with its base 109 attack, its sure to do a lot of damage, especially with its grass and ground dual STABS, Wood Hammer is Torterra's most powerful attack, doing major damage to most offensive pokemon, and defensive ones too, it also smashes through Quagsire, Earthquake gives Torterra coverage against poison and steel types, OHKOing most of them, Stone Edge can be used to hit flying types harder, while synthesis can be used to make torterra a true tank, recovering all damage taken from wood hammer and stuff

[SET]
name: Tank
move 1: Earthquake
move 2: Wood Hammer
move 3: Stone Edge
move 4: Synthesis
item: Life Orb / Leftovers
nature: Adamant
evs: 44 HP / 252 Atk / 212 Spe or 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe

this set is a true monster with paralysis support, taking hits and recovering its HP back with synthesis, Wood Hammer, once again destroys most things standing in torterra's way, while earthquake provides coverage, now that you arent using rock polish there is an extra moveslot you can fill stone edge with, giving torterra excellent coverage and power in 3 moves, last slot is for recovery in synthesis, pretty simple huh, not much else to say

of course there are a LOT of other sets, these are just examples, feel free to suggest sets to be put in the OP :)

combinations involving Torterra:

Magmortar+Torterra:

this is a great wallbreaking combo, magmortar destroys things like tangela and jynx for torterra, while torterra hits flareon and quagsire incredibly hard, after all the walls are broken, torterra can set up a rock polish and sweep make sure to run Hidden Power ice on magmortar for altaria.

so, in conclusion, torterra is an excellent pokemon in NU at the moment, and deserves way more love, post any sets or combos that you ave used with torterra here, and i will add them into the OP, opinions on torterra are also good, like how to work around its biggest counter, tangela. make sure to keep discussion intelligent and have a good time :)

sorry for the skimpy thread btw, torterra is a very simple pokemon, and i dont really know what to say other than that this guy smashes face.

 

[erisia]

Yeah, I can definitely say that the Synthesis Tank is pretty damn effective, and Torterra can find a lot of opportunities to heal itself with Synthesis throughout the match. I've been using 160 HP / 252 Atk / 16 Def / 80 Spe Adamant, to outspeed 4 Spe base 65's (speed creepy I know :p) and give Torterra a Life Orb number. Getting the hit on things like Flareon, Glaceon etc is really helpful if the opponent suspects you're running 4 Spe yourself.

 

[DTC]

Actually, there are a ton of sets Torterra can run. My personal favorite is CB, as you can basically just spam Wood Hammer and watch things die. Tank sets are also great with Torterra's great bulk, and in my opinion it's one of the best Stealth Rock setters in NU.

I really want to try out dual screens Torterra some time. Most dual screen users are Psychic-type, so this would be an interesting break from that. It has quite a few useful resistances, a recovery move in Synthesis, and SR. The only big problem I can see with dual screen is that you can't use all of Reflect / Light Screen / Synthesis / SR / Wood Hammer / EQ at the same time...

 

[erisia]

Ground type screeners are immune to volt switch, making Torterra a pro. :p

After the tier shifts, I think Torterra could do with a revamp. It has so many good sets that aren't on there, and they probably function better than the equivalents in the RU thread ;_;

 

[ebeast]

Seconding Chris on the CBTerra set, it hits so damn hard and has great synergy offensive synergy with SpecsTaria barring X4 Ice-type weakness.
[SET]
name: CBTerra
move 1: Wood Hammer
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Stone Edge
move 4: Crunch / Superpower
item: Choice Band
ability: Overgrow
nature: Adamant
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

Wood Hammer, Earthquake, and Stone Edge are very powerful moves coming off Torterra's excellent base 109 Atk further boosted by Choice Band allowing it to hit even resists such as Rotom-S or Exeggutor very hard. Stone Edge already 2-3HKOes all Exeggutors(2-3 for Standard Specs and 3 for SubSeed) but Crunch allows for a much stronger hit against both Exeggutor and Misdreavus should their switch-in be obvious. Superpower allows Torterra to OHKO even physically defensive Cradily and lets it take out Lickilicky in one blow without taking huge recoil from Wood Hammer. And, if for some reason, you encounter a Mawile on a Balloon you can hit that too. o_o

 

[DTC]

Seconding Chris on the CBTerra set, it hits so damn hard and has great synergy offensive synergy with SpecsTaria barring X4 Ice-type weakness.
[SET]
name: CBTerra
move 1: Wood Hammer
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Stone Edge
move 4: Crunch / Superpower
item: Choice Band
ability: Overgrow
nature: Adamant
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

Wood Hammer, Earthquake, and Stone Edge are very powerful moves coming off Torterra's excellent base 109 Atk further boosted by Choice Band allowing it to hit even resists such as Rotom-S or Exeggutor very hard. Stone Edge already 2-3HKOes all Exeggutors(2-3 for Standard Specs and 3 for SubSeed) but Crunch allows for a much stronger hit against both Exeggutor and Misdreavus should their switch-in be obvious. Superpower allows Torterra to OHKO even physically defensive Cradily and lets it take out Lickilicky in one blow without taking huge recoil from Wood Hammer. And, if for some reason, you encounter a Mawile on a Balloon you can hit that too. o_o

There really isn't a need for Crunch on Torterra; STAB Wood Hammer does more to Misdreavus than super effective Crunch and Wood Hammer does a ton to Exeggutor too. (252Atk Choice Band Overgrow Torterra (+Atk) Wood Hammer vs 252HP/0Def Exeggutor (Neutral): 41% - 48% (163 - 192 HP)

For the last slot I'd probably just use Superpower. Lots of Lickilicky have been appearing lately and it's a good alternative to Wood Hammer if you don't want to take any Wood Hammer recoil. Synthesis is also a decent option on Torterra, even though it's choiced.

Also, has anyone here used Curse Torterra? It seems like it'd be an interesting option, but Torterra already hits pretty hard and it's easy to stop Torterra before it gets a bunch of boosts/even when it gets a lot of boost thanks to its low speed, not-that-great defensive typing and only OK Special Defense. Hmm, speaking of Special Defense, a specially defensive Torterra actually sounds pretty interesting. I remember using it a few times in old NU and it was nice being able to switch-in to weaker special attacks.

 

[Endorfins]

The current metagame really sucks for Torterra as threats such as Jynx, Swellow and Magmortar are everywhere. I think Torterra's geatest asset is actually its versatility and unpredictability, sure the Rock Polish, Choice Band and Tank sets are good, but people should really try out more unexpected sets such as the Subseeder (its actually decent) and the Dual Screener.

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Also, has anyone here used Curse Torterra? It seems like it'd be an interesting option, but Torterra already hits pretty hard and it's easy to stop Torterra before it gets a bunch of boosts/even when it gets a lot of boost thanks to its low speed, not-that-great defensive typing and only OK Special Defense. Hmm, speaking of Special Defense, a specially defensive Torterra actually sounds pretty interesting. I remember using it a few times in old NU and it was nice being able to switch-in to weaker special attacks.

I think a Curse set would normally be good on a Pokemon such as Torterra, but its Special Defense still isn't that great after full investment and Pokemon such as Jynx and Gorebyss are just going to be all over it with 4x super effective Ice-type attacks.

 

[Axa]

A STAB Wood Hammer hits harder than a super-effective Crunch. The only exceptions in NU that aren't hit harder by Torterra's other coverage options is Exeggutor. Crunch is an option if you're using Seed Bomb, but if you're using Seed Bomb you tend to be using a more defensive set, and Torterra would have 4MSS then.

 

[pokeballs]

Also, has anyone here used Curse Torterra?

Sadly I have :(

 

[DTC]

Sadly I have :(

That's not a bad thing! How was it? I'm assuming with the ":(" emoticon that it wasn't that well, but I may have mis-interpreted it.

What did you like about it? What wasn't that great about it? I've said a few things in my post earlier about potential weaknesses it may have, but that's simply theorymon-ing.

 

[erisia]

I don't really see what the curse set does that the swords dance set doesn't. You're still wrecked by ice attacks despite the SpD investment, and the extra time it takes to get up the power it needs to sweep means it has to take more hits, negating the extra bulk.

 

[Axa]

the extra time it takes to get up the power it needs to sweep means it has to take more hits, negating the extra bulk.

Couldn't you say that about... well, any user of Bulk Up/Calm Mind/Curse?

I'd assume the Curse Set to be running Curse/Sub/EQ/Stone Edge for best coverage options and prevent itself from getting wrecked by burn.

 

[marilli]

How about the use of Synthesis on the Curse set? I'm a big fan of Substitute mself, but slow sweeper with no recovery is kind of unfortunate v_v

 

[erisia]

Couldn't you say that about... well, any user of Bulk Up/Calm Mind/Curse?

I'd assume the Curse Set to be running Curse/Sub/EQ/Stone Edge for best coverage options and prevent itself from getting wrecked by burn.

Yeah, you're right, although Synthesis on Torterra would alleviate that issue somewhat. Not sure about Substitute, as the recovery's a good nice for Curse Torterra over other bulky boosters, and you can use something else on your team to deal with Will o Wisp users, like Magmortar, Emboar or Rapidash. With its weaknesses, Curse Torterra probably shouldn't be sweeping until counters like Misdreavus are removed.

 

[mael]

I love using torterra.
I have been using basicly 3 sets:
First of all the CB set. It hits really hard and with hard I mean hard. It is basicly coming into something slower, killing and going out just to come in again later. The best pokemon against it is Exeggutor, which can take both of its STABs decent and do a lot of damage, but be aware of overgrow Wood hammer.
252Atk Choice Band Overgrow Torterra (+Atk) Wood Hammer vs 252HP/0Def Exeggutor (Neutral): 62% - 73% (245 - 288 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.

The next set is a SubLO set. I was using Substitute with Earthwauek, Wood Hammer and Stone edge. It is a kind of wallbreaker. What I needed sub for was to see what switches in so that I can kill let's say braviary which can switch in once and then kill it. This set was quite nice, because with subs i could bring myself down to overgrow and kill whatever comes in. There was barely a situation where this didn't kill anything. Stull like meganium walls pretty hard but that's ok since you have 5 other pokemon ;)

the last set I used was a Lefties max atk set with leech seed, stealth rock, wood hammer and earthquake. I used it to check phyisical sweeper and to set rocks, while being annoying with tspikes + leech seed. This scored quite a lot kills and it was easy to keep it at high health while annoying the opponents pokemon with tspikes + leech seed. you seed it at the switch in, gain hp and he looses quite a lot through hazards/being poisoned/leech seed and you just go out.

In my opinion torterra is just an awesome pokemon being able to take hits and not being set up fodder. Good partners for it are Pokemon that spread para ( the first 2 sets ) and pokemon that set tspikes and take special hits ( the last set ). I used an simple 248 HP 252 atk and 8 speed ev split for every set I played, but I'm sure there are better ones.

 

[Jony93]

I like running:
name: Tank
move 1: Wood Hammer
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Synthesis
move 4: Crunch
item: Leftovers
ability: Overgrow
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def

an ever-present for my team alongside Emboar

 

[watashi]

I like running:
name: Tank
move 1: Wood Hammer
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Synthesis
move 4: Crunch
item: Leftovers
ability: Overgrow
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def

an ever-present for my team alongside Emboar

This is pretty solid, but Crunch is useless as it doesn't hit anything harder than Wood Hammer or Earthquake would; I would suggest replacing it for Rock Slide/Stone Edge to hit flying types or a support move like Leech Seed or Stealth Rock.

 

[Jony93]

This is pretty solid, but Crunch is useless as it doesn't hit anything harder than Wood Hammer or Earthquake would; I would suggest replacing it for Rock Slide/Stone Edge to hit flying types or a support move like Leech Seed or Stealth Rock.

nah, its there for grass-types and when i predict a switch

 

[watashi]

nah, its there for grass-types and when i predict a switch

A resisted Wood Hammer has a base power of 90 ((120x1.5)/2) while Crunch has a base power of 80. If it's a 4x resist, then the opponent will be hit harder by Earthquake or a rock move. There will never be an instance where Crunch outdamages another option except against Sap Sipper Girafarig, lol.

 

[Jony93]

A resisted Wood Hammer has a base power of 90 ((120x1.5)/2) while Crunch has a base power of 80. If it's a 4x resist, then the opponent will be hit harder by Earthquake or a rock move. There will never be an instance where Crunch outdamages another option except against Sap Sipper Girafarig, lol.

Fair enough, thanks for the input