The Colosseum

Throbulator36 · Feb 28, 2015

Approved by Eevee General and The Immortal

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No? Then this might help.

Basically we add the shadow moves and shadow pokemon into this doubles* mod

Shadow moves used by normal pokemon become the primary type of the user and non-shadow moves used by shadow pokemon become shadow moves. Shadow moves cannot gain stab

Shadow Forms of Pokemon with weather related abilities have their abilities change into shadow forms of themselves

Weather setting abilities set Shadow Sky
Other weather abilities only work under shadow sky
Dry Skin makes you immune to shadow moves instead of water moves
Sunny Day, etc. set Shadow sky when used by a shadow pokemon

Format: Name/Damage Spectrum/Base Power/Accuracy/Target/Effect

Shadow Blast/Physical/80/100/Any Adjacent Pokemon/Increased Critical hit ratio
Shadow Blitz/Physical/40/100/Any Adjacent Pokemon/No Extra Effect
Shadow Bolt/Special/75/100/Any Adjacent Pokemon/10% Chance to Paralyze Target
Shadow Break/Physical/75/100/Any Adjacent Pokemon/No Extra Effect
Shadow Chill/Special/75/100/Any Adjacent Pokemon/10% Chance to Freeze Target
Shadow Down/Status/--/100/All Opposing Pokemon/Lowers Target's Defense 2 Stages
Shadow End/Physical/120/60/Any Adjacent Pokemon/User Loses 50% Current HP
Shadow Fire/Special/75/100/Any Adjacent Pokemon/10% Chance to Burn Target
Shadow Half/Status/--/100/All Active Pokemon/Halves Targets Current HP;Doesn't affect Pokemon with 1 HP left;User Must Recharge Next Turn
Shadow Hold/Status/--/80/All Opposing Pokemon/Target Cannot Flee
Shadow Mist/Status/--/100/All Opposing Pokemon/Lowers Target's Evasiveness 2 Stages
Shadow Panic/Status/--/60/All Opposing Pokemon/Confuses Target;Sound Based
Shadow Rave/Special/70/100/All Opposing Pokemon/No Extra Effect
Shadow Rush1/Physical/90/100/Any Adjacent Pokemon/Deals 25% Recoil Damage to User;Contact
Shadow Rush2/Physical/55/100/Any Adjacent Pokemon/Contact
Shadow Shed/Status/--/100/All Active Pokemon/Removes Safeguard, Reflect, and Light Screen
Shadow Sky/Status/--/100/All Active Pokemon/Weather;Removes 1/16 Max HP of Non-Shadow Type Pokemon for 5 Turns;Weather Ball becomes Shadow Type***
Shadow Storm/Special/95/100/All Opposing Pokemon/No Extra Effect
Shadow Wave/Special/50/100/All Opposing Pokemon/No Extra Effect

-> Shadow Rush, Shadow Mist

-> Shadow Blitz, Shadow Hold

-> Shadow Blitz, Shadow Panic

-> Shadow Rush2, Shadow Down

-> Shadow Blitz, Shadow Panic

-> Shadow Rush2, Shadow Half

-> Shadow Wave, Shadow Hold

-> Shadow Blitz, Shadow Shed

-> Shadow Rush2, Shadow Mist

-> Shadow Break, Shadow Shed, Shadow Sky

-> Shadow Rush2, Shadow Hold

-> Shadow Rave, Shadow Mist

-> Shadow Rush2, Shadow Storm

-> Shadow Blitz, Shadow Wave

-> Shadow Rush2, Shadow Storm, Shadow Sky

-> Shadow Rave, Shadow Hold

-> Shadow Rave, Shadow Down, Shadow Sky

-> Shadow Rave, Shadow Hold, Shadow Sky

-> Shadow Break, Shadow Panic, Shadow Sky

-> Shadow Blitz, Shadow Shed

-> Shadow Wave, Shadow Mist

-> Shadow Blitz, Shadow Hold

-> Shadow Blitz, Shadow Shed

-> Shadow Storm, Shadow Down

-> Shadow Rush2, Shadow Panic

-> Shadow Storm, Shadow End, Shadow Hold, Shadow Shed

-> Shadow End, Shadow Panic

-> Shadow Rush2, Shadow Down, Shadow Half

-> Shadow Rush2, Shadow Down

-> Shadow Rush2, Shadow Panic

-> Shadow End, Shadow Panic, Shadow Down, Shadow Hold

-> Shadow Rave, Shadow Hold

-> Shadow Rush2, Shadow Mist

-> Shadow Break, Shadow Storm, Shadow Mist

-> Shadow Storm, Shadow Shed

-> Shadow Rush2, Shadow Mist

-> Shadow Break, Shadow Storm, Shadow Mist, Shadow Half

-> Shadow Rush2, Shadow Rave, Shadow Shed

-> Shadow Break, Shadow Shed

-> Shadow Rush2, Shadow Hold, Shadow Shed, Shadow Sky

-> Shadow Storm, Shadow Shed, Shadow Sky

-> Shadow End, Shadow Shed

-> Shadow Rush2, Shadow Chill, Shadow Shed, Shadow Sky

-> Shadow Rush2, Shadow Bolt, Shadow Shed, Shadow Sky

-> Shadow Break, Shadow Fire, Shadow Shed, Shadow Mist

-> Shadow Rush2, Shadow Storm, Shadow Shed, Shadow Down

-> Shadow Rush1

-> Shadow Blitz, Shadow Rush1, Shadow Shed

-> Shadow Blitz, Shadow Rush1, Shadow Mist

-> Shadow Rave, Shadow Rush2, Shadow Shed

-> Shadow Blitz, Shadow Shed

-> Shadow Blitz, Shadow Rush1, Shadow Shed

-> Shadow Rush1

-> Shadow Blitz, Shadow Rush1, Shadow Shed

-> Shadow Rush1

-> Shadow Blitz, Shadow Rush1, Shadow Mist

-> Shadow Rave, Shadow Rush1, Shadow Shed

-> Shadow Blitz, Shadow Wave, Shadow Rush1

-> Shadow Rush1

-> Shadow Blitz, Shadow Rush1, Shadow Shed

-> Shadow Rush1

-> Shadow Blitz, Shadow Hold

-> Shadow Wave, Shadow Hold

-> Shadow Break, Shadow Mist, Shadow Half, Shadow Sky

-> Shadow Wave, Shadow Hold

-> Shadow Blitz, Shadow Mist

-> Shadow Blitz, Shadow Rush1, Shadow Shed

-> Shadow Wave, Shadow Mist

-> Shadow Wave, Shadow Rush2

-> Shadow Blitz, Shadow Hold

-> Shadow Wave, Shadow Rush2

-> Shadow Rush1

-> Shadow End, Shadow Mist, Shadow Sky

-> Shadow Wave, Shadow Shed

-> Shadow Blitz, Shadow Hold

-> Shadow Blitz, Shadow Shed

-> Shadow Rush1

-> Shadow Rave, Shadow Break, Shadow Rush1, Shadow Mist

-> Shadow Rush2, Shadow Mist

-> Shadow Wave, Shadow Sky

-> Shadow Rave, Shadow Panic, Shadow Sky

-> Shadow Blitz, Shadow Mist

-> Shadow Rush2, Shadow Hold

-> Shadow Wave, Shadow Hold

-> Shadow Rush1

-> Shadow Wave, Shadow Shed

-> Shadow Wave, Shadow Mist

-> Shadow Rush2, Shadow Hold

-> Shadow Rush1

Shadow moves are SE on all standard types but ineffective against shadow pokemon
Banlist:
-Ubers
-Standard Clauses
-Shadow moves CAN be sketched/mimicked/bounced etc.

*This is actually an interchangeable mod(doubles or singles) but since XD and Colosseum were doubles I said doubles
**Shadow moves have infinite PP but if this is impossible they should have 48 PP
***In Game it changed to ??? but since it no longer exists and We're adding Shadow saw no need to make it ???

Please excuse incompleteness of this OP, was on a time limit and would've lost all progress if it hadn't been posted now

Throbulator36 · Feb 28, 2015

Should we make Shadow Moves gain STAB or not?

Should we add prevos/evos for shadow forms?

Should we add extra shadow forms?

Should shadow forms and standard forms share moves?

Mr155551 · Feb 28, 2015

Great now we need a summoning ability for shadow sky any name ideas

edit: and a sand rush equilvent too

MandL27 · Feb 28, 2015

Mr155551 said:
Great now we need a summoning ability for shadow sky any name ideas

edit: and a sand rush equilvent too

"Black Air" sounds like a good Ability that would instantiate Shadow Sky's effect. Also, idea for another move: Shadow Draw. Normally it heals the user by half of their max HP, but if Shadow Sky is in effect when used it would instead fully heal them and remove any status ailments.
Also, Hyper Mode (or Reverse Mode).
Edit: isn't it spelled "colosseum"?
Edit 2: Hyper Mode and Reverse Mode both have an Embargo effect on the Pokemon afflicted by it, but Hyper Mode also makes the Pokemon disobedient (a la overleveled outsider with too few badges) and makes the Pokemon not attack the turn it's triggered, whereas Reverse Mode simply damages the Pokemon for 1/16(?) of its max HP each turn. Both are cured by calling out to it (Colosseum/XD-exclusive command; replaced "Run" on the battle menu), which also cures sleep and confusion; should none of these ailments exist, calling out to a Pokemon instead ups its accuracy by 1. Also I'd assume go with the secondary Shadow Rush, even if Hyper Mode is picked instead of Reverse Mode (Hyper Mode ups the crit rate of at least Shadow Rush (may be applied to all Shadow moves) by 1, whereas Reverse Mode does not).

Throbulator36 · Feb 28, 2015

Mr155551 said:
Great now we need a summoning ability for shadow sky any name ideas

edit: and a sand rush equilvent too

It should be noted that since there was no shadow weather ability in orre and it is not necessary to add one(there was no snow warning until genIV and no Fog ability. Also hail has no sand rush ability

Edit: OP and RP updated, check them out

MandL27 · Feb 28, 2015

Throbulator36 said:
It should be noted that since there was no shadow weather ability in orre and it is not necessary to add one(there was no snow warning until genIV and no Fog ability. Also hail has no sand rush ability

Yeah, but this is supposed to be adapting to gen 6. This would also mean that Shadow Storm should hit everyone except the attacker, since it's a Shadow variant of Surf.

Throbulator36 · Feb 28, 2015

MandL27 said:
Yeah, but this is supposed to be adapting to gen 6. This would also mean that Shadow Storm should hit everyone except the attacker, since it's a Shadow variant of Surf.

It technically isn't since it would have to be able to change to surf when you get purified. If it does in every case I will change it that way. And I guess if Eevee General and The Immortal are okay with it I'll open a PM poll for whether or not to add weather abilities for shadow sky what they're called and which ones

MandL27 · Feb 28, 2015

Throbulator36 said:
It technically isn't since it would have to be able to change to surf when you get purified. If it does in every case I will change it that way. And I guess if Eevee General and The Immortal are okay with it I'll open a PM poll for whether or not to add weather abilities for shadow sky what they're called and which ones

Not to make this a lot of back-and-forth posting, but Bulbapedia agrees that "Shadow Storm is a Shadow version of Surf." Also, I'm not sure a poll would be most ideal, since it's more of a free-response question, and polls are multiple-choice by nature.

Throbulator36 · Feb 28, 2015

MandL27 said:
Not to make this a lot of back-and-forth posting, but Bulbapedia agrees that "Shadow Storm is a Shadow version of Surf." Also, I'm not sure a poll would be most ideal, since it's more of a free-response question, and polls are multiple-choice by nature.

Bulbapedia is made by fans not gamefreak/nintendo. It can't actually be shadow surf unless it becomes surf when purified.
Also by nature yes or no questions are multiple choice.

MandL27 · Feb 28, 2015

Throbulator36 said:
Bulbapedia is made by fans not gamefreak/nintendo. It can't actually be shadow surf unless it becomes surf when purified.
Also by nature yes or no questions are multiple choice.

You raise a valid point, but by that same definition this is a fan interpretation of Colosseum/XD.
I thought you were going to include name options in the poll. Whoops.
Edit: May also want to denote which Shadow moves can be cloned via Mirror Move; not all of them can.
Edit 2: Shadow Pokemon get no type change... it's basically additional data that determines whether they're Shadow Pokemon or not. Everything else you said about Shadow Pokemon and type effectiveness is accurate, though.

Pikachuun · Feb 28, 2015

Why not just make everything shadow-related the same as in Collosseum, and don't do/add anything else (besides the Physical/Special split ofc)?

MandL27 · Feb 28, 2015

Pikachuun said:
Why not just make everything shadow-related the same as in Collosseum, and don't do/add anything else (besides the Physical/Special split ofc)?

Shadow was already split... also, this is more like XD due to SE/NVE.

En Passant · Feb 28, 2015

I think we could maybe give the Colosseum Shadows appropriate moves from XD as well as allow Shadow copies of the evolutions of Shadow forms for balance, but other than that, we should really stick to just importing what was from the two games.

Yomegami · Feb 28, 2015

If I remember correctly, Shadow isn't technically a type (e.g. Shadow Poochyena is still technically a Dark type; it just resists Shadow moves and is possibly restricted to Shadow-type moves itself). Also, I believe Shadow pokemon do not get STAB on Shadow moves (considering Shadow moves hit nearly everything super effectively STAB would kind of be overkill).

Shadow Pokemon can learn other moves if they're purified enough (at least in Colosseum), so some additional moves could be allowed. Generally speaking these additional moves were level-up moves though, and if the Shadow Pokemon already has 4 Shadow moves it can't get any normal moves through purification.

This may be jumping the gun a little, but there probably should be some sort of restriction on how many Shadow Pokemon one can use. Otherwise we wind up with games with 6 Shadow Pokemon vs. 6 Shadow Pokemon and everyone's moves wind up being resisted and things might wind up getting a little boring.

Throbulator36 · Feb 28, 2015

Yomegami said:
If I remember correctly, Shadow isn't technically a type (e.g. Shadow Poochyena is still technically a Dark type; it just resists Shadow moves and is possibly restricted to Shadow-type moves itself). Also, I believe Shadow pokemon do not get STAB on Shadow moves (considering Shadow moves hit nearly everything super effectively STAB would kind of be overkill).

Shadow Pokemon can learn other moves if they're purified enough (at least in Colosseum), so some additional moves could be allowed. Generally speaking these additional moves were level-up moves though, and if the Shadow Pokemon already has 4 Shadow moves it can't get any normal moves through purification.

This may be jumping the gun a little, but there probably should be some sort of restriction on how many Shadow Pokemon one can use. Otherwise we wind up with games with 6 Shadow Pokemon vs. 6 Shadow Pokemon and everyone's moves wind up being resisted and things might wind up getting a little boring.

That's why I was asking whether they should get stab.
I was asking if they should get each others movepools(possibly shadow moves to non shadow forms)
It might happen if it gets implemented but I doubt it since most shadow pokemon suck(articuno and mega beedrill are the best ones iirc(and that's only if I decide to allow megadrill a shadow form)

MandL27 · Feb 28, 2015

Throbulator36 said:
That's why I was asking whether they should get stab.
I was asking if they should get each others movepools(possibly shadow moves to non shadow forms)
It might happen if it gets implemented but I doubt it since most shadow pokemon suck(articuno and mega beedrill are the best ones iirc(and that's only if I decide to allow megadrill a shadow form)

They don't get STAB for Shadow moves iirc. Alternatively, we could completely ignore Pikachuun's advice and stuff the move list with more Shadow moves (such as Shadow Draw, which I mentioned earlier) to make Shadow Pokemon slightly more usable if they can only learn Shadow moves (which is false, but it'd be interesting to try).
Also, you really should come on IRC so we could discuss this in real time. Adding to the (empty) list of Shadow Pokemon would be a plus, too.
Edit: maybe PMing the OP here to get this listed would be a good idea

MandL27 · Feb 28, 2015

Double post, but

Throbulator36 said:
Should we make Shadow Moves gain STAB or not?

Explained in above post; if we're going to accurately simulate Shadow moves there should be no STAB.

Should we add prevos/evos for shadow forms?

If by that you mean adding a Shadow Pupitar stemming from Shadow Tyranitar, then sure. imho every Pokemon should have a Shadow equivalent

Should we add extra shadow forms?

see above

Should shadow forms and standard forms share moves?

Shadow Pokemon should be able to access all of their base species' moves, plus some Shadow moves. Ideally, the Shadow equivalents of moves they learn would be usable by their Shadowed counterpart.

Throbulator36 · Feb 28, 2015

MandL27 said:
Double post, but

Explained in above post; if we're going to accurately simulate Shadow moves there should be no STAB.

If by that you mean adding a Shadow Pupitar stemming from Shadow Tyranitar, then sure. imho every Pokemon should have a Shadow equivalent

see above

Shadow Pokemon should be able to access all of their base species' moves, plus some Shadow moves. Ideally, the Shadow equivalents of moves they learn would be usable by their Shadowed counterpart.

If we end up adding shadow sky abilities there's no real reason to keep entirely to the games.

Also if we give every pokemon a shadow form I'm not gonna be adding more shadow moves but instead am gonna do something weird with shadow forms and regular moves.

MandL27 · Feb 28, 2015

Throbulator36 said:
If we end up adding shadow sky abilities there's no real reason to keep entirely to the games.

Also if we give every pokemon a shadow form I'm not gonna be adding more shadow moves but instead am gonna do something weird with shadow forms and regular moves.

What would that "something weird" be, if I may ask?
~~nice going you've piqued my curiosity~~
Edit: Just thought about Hyper/Reverse Mode again... any word on that?
Edit 2: Given that the most iconic Shadow Pokemon would be banned, what about a custom game clone of this OM?
Edit 3: Also, maybe outside of custom, it could have a rule only allowing one Shadow Pokemon per team, like how every NPC in Colosseum acted.

Cresselia92 · Mar 5, 2015

As a huge fan of Pokémon Colosseum and XD, I fully support this Pet Mod.

About the potential Shadow Sky summoning ability, what do you think about turning all weather-related Abilities into Shadow versions of themselves in the case in which the Pokémon is a Shadow Pokémon? Little example: regular Politoed would have Drizzle as its regular Ability while Shadow Politoed would have "Dark Sky" in its place.

Basically it could become like this:

Drizzle / Drought / Sand Stream / Snow Warning -> Dark Sky (summons the Shadow Sky)

Swift Swim / Chlorophyll / Sand Rush -> Dark Haste (doubles Speed under the Shadow Sky)

Sand Veil / Snow Cloak -> Dark Coat (increases Evasion under the Shadow Sky)

Dry Skin -> Dark Pelt (during Shadow Sky, a Pokémon with Dark Pelt will regain 1/8 of its maximum HP at the end of each turn and if hit by Shadow moves its HP are restored by one quarter of its maximum HP. During other weather conditions a Pokémon with Dark Pelt will lose 1/8 of its maximum HP at the end of each turn)

Hydration -> Dark Renewal (at the end of each turn, if there is the Shadow Sky, Dark Renewal will cure the Pokémon of any non-volatile status condition)

Solar Power -> Dark Boost (during Shadow Sky, Dark Boost increases the Pokémon's Special Attack by 50%, but the Pokémon loses 1/8 of its maximum HP at the end of each turn)

Leaf Guard -> Dark Shield (during Shadow Sky, Dark Shield prevents the Pokémon from being afflicted by non-volatile status conditions and Yawn)

Flower Gift -> Dark Gift (during Shadow Sky, Flower Gift increases the Attack and Special Defense stats of the user and its allies by 50%)

Rain Dish / Ice Body -> Dark Body (during Shadow Sky, a Pokémon with Dark Body will regain 1/16 of its maximum HP at the end of each turn)

Sand Force -> Dark Drive (during Shadow Sky, Dark Drive increases the power of Shadow-, Dark- and Ghost- moves by 30%)

Of course, these aren't definitive names, effects and distributions. Just a suggestion.

MandL27 · Mar 5, 2015

Darklatias92 said:
As a huge fan of Pokémon Colosseum and XD, I fully support this Pet Mod.

About the potential Shadow Sky summoning ability, what do you think about turning all weather-related Abilities into Shadow versions of themselves in the case in which the Pokémon is a Shadow Pokémon? Little example: regular Politoed would have Drizzle as its regular Ability while Shadow Politoed would have "Dark Sky" in its place.

Basically it could become like this:

Drizzle / Drought / Sand Stream / Snow Warning -> Dark Sky (summons the Shadow Sky)

Swift Swim / Chlorophyll / Sand Rush -> Dark Haste (doubles Speed under the Shadow Sky)

Sand Veil / Snow Cloak -> Dark Coat (increases Evasion under the Shadow Sky)

Dry Skin -> Dark Pelt (during Shadow Sky, a Pokémon with Dark Pelt will regain 1/8 of its maximum HP at the end of each turn and if hit by Shadow moves its HP are restored by one quarter of its maximum HP. During other weather conditions a Pokémon with Dark Pelt will lose 1/8 of its maximum HP at the end of each turn)

Hydration -> Dark Renewal (at the end of each turn, if there is the Shadow Sky, Dark Renewal will cure the Pokémon of any non-volatile status condition)

Solar Power -> Dark Boost (during Shadow Sky, Dark Boost increases the Pokémon's Special Attack by 50%, but the Pokémon loses 1/8 of its maximum HP at the end of each turn)

Leaf Guard -> Dark Shield (during Shadow Sky, Dark Shield prevents the Pokémon from being afflicted by non-volatile status conditions and Yawn)

Flower Gift -> Dark Gift (during Shadow Sky, Flower Gift increases the Attack and Special Defense stats of the user and its allies by 50%)

Rain Dish / Ice Body -> Dark Body (during Shadow Sky, a Pokémon with Dark Body will regain 1/16 of its maximum HP at the end of each turn)

Sand Force -> Dark Drive (during Shadow Sky, Dark Drive increases the power of Shadow-, Dark- and Ghost- moves by 30%)

Of course, these aren't definitive names, effects and distributions. Just a suggestion.

I think we have a winner. Hopefully the OP won't mind this. Also, as some other ideas, what about including other Shadow moves like I already mentioned?

Throbulator36 · Mar 5, 2015

Darklatias92 said:
As a huge fan of Pokémon Colosseum and XD, I fully support this Pet Mod.

About the potential Shadow Sky summoning ability, what do you think about turning all weather-related Abilities into Shadow versions of themselves in the case in which the Pokémon is a Shadow Pokémon? Little example: regular Politoed would have Drizzle as its regular Ability while Shadow Politoed would have "Dark Sky" in its place.

Basically it could become like this:

Drizzle / Drought / Sand Stream / Snow Warning -> Dark Sky (summons the Shadow Sky)

Swift Swim / Chlorophyll / Sand Rush -> Dark Haste (doubles Speed under the Shadow Sky)

Sand Veil / Snow Cloak -> Dark Coat (increases Evasion under the Shadow Sky)

Dry Skin -> Dark Pelt (during Shadow Sky, a Pokémon with Dark Pelt will regain 1/8 of its maximum HP at the end of each turn and if hit by Shadow moves its HP are restored by one quarter of its maximum HP. During other weather conditions a Pokémon with Dark Pelt will lose 1/8 of its maximum HP at the end of each turn)

Hydration -> Dark Renewal (at the end of each turn, if there is the Shadow Sky, Dark Renewal will cure the Pokémon of any non-volatile status condition)

Solar Power -> Dark Boost (during Shadow Sky, Dark Boost increases the Pokémon's Special Attack by 50%, but the Pokémon loses 1/8 of its maximum HP at the end of each turn)

Leaf Guard -> Dark Shield (during Shadow Sky, Dark Shield prevents the Pokémon from being afflicted by non-volatile status conditions and Yawn)

Flower Gift -> Dark Gift (during Shadow Sky, Flower Gift increases the Attack and Special Defense stats of the user and its allies by 50%)

Rain Dish / Ice Body -> Dark Body (during Shadow Sky, a Pokémon with Dark Body will regain 1/16 of its maximum HP at the end of each turn)

Sand Force -> Dark Drive (during Shadow Sky, Dark Drive increases the power of Shadow-, Dark- and Ghost- moves by 30%)

Of course, these aren't definitive names, effects and distributions. Just a suggestion.

Just gonna say, with this I think I've finally reached what to do.

^is gonna happen
Everything has a shadow form
Shadow pokemon keep the moves of their standard forms
Standard forms with in-game shadow forms gain the shadow moves their shadow forms had
Shadow moves cannot give stab
Shadow pokemon turn all their moves into shadow moves
Standard forms turn shadow moves into the user's primary type

since we discussed this a bit MandL27 please remind me of anything I forgot.

I'm gonna form a 5 man council for when this gets implemented; We currently have 2 members: Me and MandL27 send me a PM if you'd like in.

OP should be updated by the end of the week.

MandL27 · Mar 5, 2015

Throbulator36 said:
Just gonna say, with this I think I've finally reached what to do.

^is gonna happen
Everything has a shadow form
Shadow pokemon keep the moves of their standard forms
Standard forms with in-game shadow forms gain the shadow moves their shadow forms had
Shadow moves cannot give stab
Shadow pokemon turn all their moves into shadow moves
Standard forms turn shadow moves into the user's primary type

since we discussed this a bit MandL27 please remind me of anything I forgot.

I'm gonna form a 5 man council for when this gets implemented; We currently have 2 members: Me and MandL27 send me a PM if you'd like in.

OP should be updated by the end of the week.

Everything that needs reminding has already been said in the convo. Also, Darklatias92 brought up the idea of Colosseum- and XD-exclusive battle themes for playing over this OM. I'm not sure if that's possible, but it'd be cool.

Phione · Mar 5, 2015

If everything has a Shadow-form, is there actually any reason at all NOT to run said Shadow form? I think Shadows might be a little OP. Maybe make them weak to Dark seeing as it fits flavor nicely and actually gives them a weakness bar themselves?

MandL27 · Mar 5, 2015

Phione said:
If everything has a Shadow-form, is there actually any reason at all NOT to run said Shadow form? I think Shadows might be a little OP. Maybe make them weak to Dark seeing as it fits flavor nicely and actually gives them a weakness bar themselves?

There could be a limit to the amount of Shadow Pokémon to make up for that.

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