Your looking at it from purely the offensive tera side, as you can't pull out a suprise defensive tera to check a mon. Some threats like gambit even if you know what tera they are, will still force you to play 50/50 as you still know they might tera. It doesn't really add as much as you think, volc could still pick and choose it's checks but now you know whether you will lose.
I feel like the issue then moreso is gambit and volc. Anyway, I'm advocating for a first step, not a final step, and I assure you, I'm taking in a holistic perspective.
Those were moreso examples of what would occur, anything could be substituted in their place like "Some threats like gouging
Does Gouging even run tera blast? I understand what you're trying to say, but using the mon with the highest support to be banned is also not a great example.
I’m hoping the same thing as you. Save the Dino.hopefully gouging fire doesn't get banned...
Well the problem with tera in singles is that the ways to restrict it are not good enough or just stupid, and the problems with it won't go away unless we ban it, as this is a mechanic that lets anything bullshit past its checks. Tera is something pushing potentially reasonable pokemon like Gouging Fire, Gambit, Volc, and a few others into broken territory, and when they get banned more pokemon become broken. Gouging fire is a similar case to Gambit and Volc when you think about it in that way. I wanted gouging fire to be okay, but truth is in a tera meta it just never will be. Sure, gen 9 has powercreep but tera is just as big of a problem as it inflates the power of OU too much.
It's already been discussed to death that tera preview just doesn't work in a singles context in the tera tiering discussion. I'm not even gonna explain because many other people have already
252+ SpA Protosynthesis Raging Bolt Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Garganacl: 169-199 (41.8 - 49.2%) -- 59% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
I think a tera ban is never off the table, but I'm not sure how it would pan out since it really does warrant a total reset of the meta. Maybe a slow reintegration of banned mons? Idk, all of this has been discussed to death. It's just gonna come down to a suspect vote tbh.
A tera ban wouldn't require a total reset of the meta. Only about three mons were broken by tera. Those are regieleki, terapagos and esparthra (though I would say espathra was ban worthy without tera, but others disagree.) Every other mon was broken without tera, and maybe I'm missing one, but I don't think something like urshifu-rs was broken by tera.
i've already gone over multiple times why it wouldn't in fact warrant a total reset of the meta. in my opinion, only four mons are worth dropping without tera: espathra, regieleki, firepon, and terapagos. i think espathra and firepon would still be too much for the tier to handle and would be rebanned, but they're worth at least trying out in the unlikely event of a tera ban. every other banned mon does extremely stupid things independent of tera and shouldn't be considered for a drop
I would add Volc, Gouging Fire, Gambit, and Raging Bolt to the list if they get banned, since tera is what enables those four to do most of their stupid stuff, Gouging Fire's calcs without tera are noticably easier to take, and defensive sets are easier to handle without it hitting tera to cheese past things like the other three mentioned already do
Gouging would still likely be broken. Now it just can't destroy all stall teams and actually has to get chip on dondozo.
Gouging I'm kinda iffy on to be fair, but at least it would have to dragon dance more times to get to that sweep and choice band would by technicality have answers, other three probably are okay without tera
Band gouging under sun does 29% max to dondozo. That's a lot less power, but with the amount of threats dozo has to handle, that is definitely manageable to get that chip. It goes from destroying everything in one hit to most things in one hit.
absolutely, yes, volc would be a prime candidate for unbanning in the event of a tera ban as the most prominent tera blast carrier in the entire tier. i'm still not entirely sure whether it'll survive, though—its traditional checks, like heatran and the blobs, are still significantly worse than in past gens
enh, i still don't like the idea of something that hits that hard that consistently and is simultaneously that bulky, especially when we're removing so many defensive options. sure, it doesn't get some of the scariest calcs and fire resists actually resist its fire moves, but it still hits too hard for me to be comfortable with keeping it around or dropping it into a teraless meta
if this thing ever does end up getting banned by some miracle, i don't care how nerfed it gets or how the meta changes, keep it in ubers for the rest of time. i refuse to let that stupid chess-playing fuck walk free on a technicality
i dunno, it's still monstrously hard to switch into, especially on sun and rain, which would likely get better before they get worse in this theoretical teraless ou
espathra without tera is like, comically weak. resists for psychic/fairy coverage are a dime a dozen, and not being able to escape its psychic typing is devastating for it defensively. plus, kingambit rules the meta, and no espathra set beats a healthy kingambit
It may not beat gambit and heatran, but everything else gets destroyed by stored power+ dazzling gleam. Ghold which resists it's stab will eventually be defeated by enough boosts. Reminder that it gets more powerful each turn just by existing.
It takes 2 turns for these calcs... Also, these calcs actually undersell Espathra, 'cause the peacock will literally buff its Stored Power whilst you're taking chunks. The Heatran and Treads calcs are actually 2HKOs, due to the increase in Speed.
Yeahh, the biggest defensive loss from a tera ban imo is amnesia tera steel clod. Even Calm Mind Blissey will eventually get plowed through by Espathra. Psyspam in general gets better, I think.
