it gains +2 from each stat drop, so it goes from -1 attack to +3, and then you wake up because no one uses defiant kingambit in real lifeWhat happens if you click parting shot into Defiant Kingambit
it gains +2 from each stat drop, so it goes from -1 attack to +3, and then you wake up because no one uses defiant kingambit in real lifeWhat happens if you click parting shot into Defiant Kingambit
I've used defiant gambit once, when sticky web teams were at there most popular. I also used thunder wave on that set because I thought "fuck it, I'm already using weird bs, why not go further?" Somehow it was good, I don't know how, but it was.it gains +2 from each stat drop, so it goes from -1 attack to +3, and then you wake up because no one uses defiant kingambit in real life
of course they do, the original poster probably just got lost on their way to the vgc discussion and ended up here!it gains +2 from each stat drop, so it goes from -1 attack to +3, and then you wake up because no one uses defiant kingambit in real life
Why are we talking about Pecharunt when it isnt even out yet?
This was 2 pages ago and I wrote this.View attachment 591015
Yep, it's in.
Eyy, any shot Serperior can arise again as a free buff from Pecharunt?
Also...
This was 2 pages ago and I wrote this.
what about ghold? good as gold straight-up blocks parting shot, which leaves pecharunt in a really bad spot if it doesn't predict the switch-in correctly, and sometimes (in the case of bulkier ghold and uninvested, unboosted hex pecharunt) even if it does. now, of course ghold won't "rise" as an answer to parting shot spam because it physically can't rise much more already, but it serving as such a widespread check means that it's possible we won't see any specific pecharunt counterplay develop on a significant scale because it can be adequately dealt with by normal, existing team structuresIf anything rises as an answer to Parting Shot spam I think it will probably Competitive Empoleon, as it can't be poisoned and doesn't really care about taking an unboosted Hex, and there's basically no opportunity cost to running it.
what about ghold? good as gold straight-up blocks parting shot, which leaves pecharunt in a really bad spot if it doesn't predict the switch-in correctly, and sometimes (in the case of bulkier ghold and uninvested, unboosted hex pecharunt) even if it does. now, of course ghold won't "rise" as an answer to parting shot spam because it physically can't rise much more already, but it serving as such a widespread check means that it's possible we won't see any specific pecharunt counterplay develop on a significant scale because it can be adequately dealt with by normal, existing team structures
what about ghold? good as gold straight-up blocks parting shot, which leaves pecharunt in a really bad spot if it doesn't predict the switch-in correctly, and sometimes (in the case of bulkier ghold and uninvested, unboosted hex pecharunt) even if it does. now, of course ghold won't "rise" as an answer to parting shot spam because it physically can't rise much more already, but it serving as such a widespread check means that it's possible we won't see any specific pecharunt counterplay develop on a significant scale because it can be adequately dealt with by normal, existing team structures
I think the term is being cautiously pessimisticThe confidence some of you have in writing off a mon that’s been out for five minutes is insane. Give Peachy time, there’s so many ways you can build this thing given the unique stat distribution.
ahem?The confidence some of you have in writing off a mon that’s been out for five minutes is insane. Give Peachy time, there’s so many ways you can build this thing given the unique stat distribution.
I think two pages is enough to say at the very least we most likely now how pecharunt is going to be. Yes, it has unique traits and can be quite solid. However, struggling with one of the best mons in the game and struggling against most other steel types is not the best. It has to have something unique to offer to the table, which it does have in confusion and physical bulk but it's poor movepool is really hurting it. There's only so much you can experiment on with that movepool. Plus, you said it yourself, if it tries to copy what other mons do it will be outclassed. Furthermore, it has to choose between being offensive or defensive, which both have major drawbacks.The confidence some of you have in writing off a mon that’s been out for five minutes is insane. Give Peachy time, there’s so many ways you can build this thing given the unique stat distribution.
I think Foul Play in general is such an underrated move. Running that alone means physical attackers can’t really afford to set up on it unless they want to take major damage. You could even go Tera Dark and then you’re flipping a number of your weaknesses and making FP more threatening. Toxic + confusion is basically a form of phasing (staying in confused is very rarely something you want to do imo), and Parting Shot on something with this bulk is a great opportunity for more fragile sweepers to get in and do some major damage, and it means poison immunes don’t get to switch in for free.
This mon can’t do everything and it’s likely outclassed if it tries to copy what other mons do, but it’s got some great traits and you should experiment with it properly before writing it off after doing 2 damage calcs. It’s got potential, most likely on balance builds.
I think the term is being cautiously pessimistic
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4:14PM to 9:42AM (at my time) is MORE THAN 5 MINS
I don’t feel this part is particularly accurate for the offensive Pecharunt sets. Gambit excluded, most Steel-types don’t particularly like switching in on 252 SpA Shadow Ball more than once, or at all in Gholdengo’s case, and the few that don’t mind are usually extremely fringe viability like Empoleon and Goodra-H. Bulkier Pecharunt sets do probably struggle with most steels though, but Magnezone is always there as a really good potential partner, especially since it can pivot directly into it.However, struggling with one of the best mons in the game and struggling against most other steel types is not the best.
I think I've seen a lot more people trying to make it work than people who dismissed it. I don't say that the latter don't exist but so far I've seen more inquisitive approach than dismissiveI can understand this position a lot more but that’s definitely not how some people have spoken about it (admittedly I am catching up from a couple of pages back). There’s reason to be sceptical about it being an OU usage mon for sure, but it’s a bit early for writing it off as some posters have. It’s had less than a day on ladder and we’ve seen how well people innovate after being given some time. People were immediately saying Ursaluna Bloodmoon is outclassed by its Hisui counterpart at release and look how that turned out.
I think I've seen a lot more people trying to make it work than people who dismissed it. I don't say that the latter don't exist but so far I've seen more inquisitive approach than dismissive
I'd say it's better to be pessimistic of a mon than optomistic, because it shows the real viability of a mon. If you can find the negatives of a mon, the positives are more standout. Undervaluing something leads to more creative solutions to be found to try to make those negatives less extreme. You can see this in Lando-T, where people constantly were pessimistic of it's viability because it competed a lot with tusk and gliscor. Thus, people found what other attributes it had over the other grounds, mainly it's special movepool, or other things I'm simply forgetting. If people simply said "these are it's positives", they may have tried physical sets that try to replicate the two better grounds, thus not noticing it's special movepool because it isn't too standout. The negatives of a mon can be used to further extract the positives, stuff like foul play on pecharunt is coming from the negative that if it wants to go defensive, it becomes a bit passive. You found the negative, and found something unique to turn it to a positive.I think I've seen a lot more people trying to make it work than people who dismissed it. I don't say that the latter don't exist but so far I've seen more inquisitive approach than dismissive
Do you mean Lando-T or Lando-I? Because Lando-I is a different conversation and I don't wanna bring back the dropping Uber to OU discussion right now.I'd say it's better to be pessimistic of a mon than optomistic, because it shows the real viability of a mon. If you can find the negatives of a mon, the positives are more standout. Undervaluing something leads to more creative solutions to be found to try to make those negatives less extreme. You can see this in Lando-I, where people constantly were pessimistic of it's viability because it competed a lot with tusk and gliscor. Thus, people found what other attributes it had over the other grounds, mainly it's special movepool, or other things I'm simply forgetting. If people simply said "these are it's positives", they may have tried physical sets that try to replicate the two better grounds, thus not noticing it's special movepool because it isn't too standout. The negatives of a mon can be used to further extract the positives, stuff like foul play on pecharunt is coming from the negative that if it wants to go defensive, it becomes a bit passive. You found the negative, and found something unique to turn it to a positive.
Or maybe I'm just coping/yapping because Lando-I will fall one day and I don't want another OU titan to drop to UU.
Shit, I meant Lando-T, I agree that I will never want Lando-I touching OU, that thing will decimate OU until there are only seeds to be burnt.Do you mean Lando-T or Lando-I? Because Lando-I is a different conversation and I don't wanna bring back the dropping Uber to OU discussion right now.
Sad there isn't a Steel/Normal mon, it would be funny for Pech's only moves to be rollout, foul play and tera blast versus it LMAO.
Not sure if there's OU precedent, but I vaguely remember there being a multi-tier discussion about a mon at some point of the Sw/Sh meta where it got suspected in a tier while being on a lower tier by usage. Was trying to find the Suspect thread on the Policy Review subforum for confirmation, but couldn't find it. If memory serves me right, I think it was Gengar in UU while it was RU by usage, and it got banned, but could be misremembering.DaddyBuzzwole said:to my knowledge, no pokemon has ever been banned from ou without being in the tier by usage (except for weird edge cases like wynaut and other mons that could only carry banned abilities at the time) and frankly i'm not sure whether that's even allowed