Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4

Bold School was the one who claimed to have game design knowledge (and thus claimed to understand it better than the average person) before anyone so I don't know why you're singling Buzzwole out for this.

BTW surprise factor alone does not make something "good", it needs to have real consistent and applicable value beyond initial surprise or else it loses any effectiveness once any kind of awareness of it catches on.
Why are people still stuck on this? It was a small part of a response relating to a very specific discussion from the purely hypothetical Koko OU debate awhile back. One you continued with me in DMs until you got tired of it or whatever. If you have some feelings about it, feel free to DM me.

Otherwise, I already had my response to you and the rest on this. It's derailing the thread. Stuff like this really make one not want to post on here so much when things are constantly taken wrong.
Fair. Both are out of their depths.
I thought you were originally criticizing him for one upping or something. His context was quite different than mine. Anyways...

While this strange focus of the discussion in of itself long ran its course, it should be stated that not everybody needs to be a top tier player to have an understanding of the mechanics in a game. In sports, a coach can understand the game but not be able to play the game at a professional level. A fan could have a great understanding of the game but not have the interpersonal skills to coach. And so on. That obviously doesn't guarantee proper understanding, either. But the spectrum of knowledge and views can sometime be broader than some on here want to admit.

Before someone takes this out of context, again, this isn't me trying to say I'm a know it all or I know better than you just because of a background. That was never the point. Hopefully, we can move on now.
 
Garg can go rot in a pit of fiery hell.
Well, that isn't a very nice thing to say... Garganacl has feelings, too. He's just trying to make do in a meta where everyone is against him.

"yall got any discussion of the gen 9 ou metagame?"
"we got 1 and a half pages of discourse on whether game design knowledge makes you better at pokemon"
This thread seems to get derailed really easily for whatever reason, and it always ends up going in the same way - a page or two of discourse before recentering on discussion... before going back to discourse.

Anyways, I'd like to pose another question to this thread: What is your favorite Pokémon to use in SV OU and why do you enjoy using it?

For me, it's probably Pecharunt. The little guy lives so many hits that it has no right to live, and it's got some nice disruption tools to compliment its defensive profile. It has a bit of an awkward typing, sure, but it still manages to put in a lot of work regardless. And I love it for that.
 
Anyways, I'd like to pose another question to this thread: What is your favorite Pokémon to use in SV OU and why do you enjoy using it?
Ogerpon-Cornerstone is honestly a really fun pokemon to play with for me. It can just break bulky teams wide open after a +2 with its STAB combination and knock off. It takes a lot of effort to get it on the field with its shaky typing, but the rewards are well worth it.
 
Anyways, I'd like to pose another question to this thread: What is your favorite Pokémon to use in SV OU and why do you enjoy using it?
I swear I am not copying the mcribs guy, but Ogerpon-Cornerstone is my favorite Pokemon in SV OU. Having the rare access to a consistent Rock stab move complimented by good immediate power and utility with stuff like Encore Spikes, it's a super good breaker who's set can be pretty personalized to the team it's on. Sturdy also is a nice thing to play with, having to keep off hazards to keep up sturdy or have grassy terrain up to get it back after Stealth Rocks makes it an interesting aspect of an already unique Pokemon. There's a lot more stuff I could talk about but I think you guys get the gist already lol.

Love the topic btw, I don't see this question asked much and it's a pretty hard question to answer in SV specifically just because of how unique every Pokemon is. In other OU gens theres semi-duplicate Pokemon that kind of do a similar thing with mild changes that are just better on certain playstyles, but in SV OU every Pokemon legitimately feels like it's own thing.
 
bros… grassy seed Zamazenta? or hold on hear me out… yk how AV is pretty good? Misty Seed Zamazenta… immune to status… idef, bp, tb fire, stone edge… or crunch heavy slam… hmmm… they call me the gen 9 escoffier…

What is your favorite Pokémon to use in SV OU and why do you enjoy using it?
Choice Band Hoopa-Unbound. Tera Dark blows everything up with no fear of contact punishment (Hyperspace Fury is non contact, bypasses Sub and Protect). Protect is the biggest non-tera-Dark counter to Future Sight combos, so this is awesome. Also screw :gliscor: :garganacl: :alomomola:
 
bros… grassy seed Zamazenta? or hold on hear me out… yk how AV is pretty good? Misty Seed Zamazenta… immune to status… idef, bp, tb fire, stone edge… or crunch heavy slam… hmmm… they call me the gen 9 escoffier…
Ok now that im thinking of AV, yknow what would be really neat and can bring a mon back from the brink? AV Moltres-Galar(this sounds kinda dumb but hear me out)

Like outside of fairies, it can tank most special attackers in OU, and still hit Glowking hard with Fiery Wrath. It still has a decent 100 base SpA, and berserk can increase its power.
 
Some of you gotta really not tunnel vision on single sentences and assume the worst in someones intent lol. Bold is a pretty chill poster and generally isn't one to go for the throat. Have fun and relax!

AV Moltres-Galar
Hold on, this is just almost saucy enough to make me wonder...

What is your favorite Pokémon to use in SV OU and why do you enjoy using it?
Meowscarada. I love my silly cat who does silly poses for me to clap at. We have rough times but we will survive. #MeowForOU4Ever
 
Well, that isn't a very nice thing to say... Garganacl has feelings, too. He's just trying to make do in a meta where everyone is against him.


This thread seems to get derailed really easily for whatever reason, and it always ends up going in the same way - a page or two of discourse before recentering on discussion... before going back to discourse.

Anyways, I'd like to pose another question to this thread: What is your favorite Pokémon to use in SV OU and why do you enjoy using it?

For me, it's probably Pecharunt. The little guy lives so many hits that it has no right to live, and it's got some nice disruption tools to compliment its defensive profile. It has a bit of an awkward typing, sure, but it still manages to put in a lot of work regardless. And I love it for that.
Even though I use so much different stuff it’s hard for me to really get used to a “favourite”, whenever I do use it I love Samurott-Hisui. My favourite starter’s regional form that also happens to be a strong attacker that always makes progress with every move it clicks. Especially Ceaseless Edge. Swords Dance sets are underexplored imo
 
Anyways, I'd like to pose another question to this thread: What is your favorite Pokémon to use in SV OU and why do you enjoy using it?
Mixed LO D-speed with 4 attacks and Tera Dark Knock Off. Outrun the entire unboosted metagame with very few checks besides the metal birds and some Fairy types. You only a + speed nature. Put the rest into the attacking stats or even put roughly 200 into each offensive stat and save the leftover EVs for speed to outrun some + 1 things.
 
Since orgepon cornerstone got brought up I do want to comment on a meta trend that I've noticed. That being that cornerstone recieves a significant buff in the OU tier due to the immense popularity of its Wellspring varrient. The indirect buff is so pronounce that I'd dare to say cornerstone has an easier time succeeding in this metagame than in UU.

Running cornerstone over Wellspring in OU gives you all the benefits of that pokemons archetype, with the same stats and ability to pick yours checks. While giving you much more favorable matchups against the mons bulkier teams are adapting to check Wellspring.

Toxipex, hydrapple, sinisha, zapdos, Rila, Dnite etc all these checks don't reliably work against cornerstone. It's a massive advantage that over enough games tends to equal out the amount of times you can chunk gambit and Gholdengo harder with your stabs.

Cornerstone getting to coast of of the path Wellspring is trailblazing forward is one of the many reasons it would be detrimental to ban Wellspring from the tier.
They got a little zard X zard Y dynamic going on rn, and you wouldn't want to ruin that narrative, right?
 
Anyways, I'd like to pose another question to this thread: What is your favorite Pokémon to use in SV OU and why do you enjoy using it?
Probably Hydrapple, I'm really glad it's getting right now the attention and merit it always deserved. It was already decent and perfectly viable before Kyurem's ban, and the ban just made it that people will appreciate it even more.

It also has tera and set diversity, which is something I really like about it. A lot of Pokémon tend to have the same 5-6 moves (which is not an horrible thing, consistency is a good thing) but having some swiss army knife mons is also important for a tier
 
Anyways, I'd like to pose another question to this thread: What is your favorite Pokémon to use in SV OU and why do you enjoy using it?

It's a boring answer, but I have to go with Great Tusk. No team I build feels finished without it, it always carries its weight on the team and the simple luxury of being able to spin is incredible. It's also a fun case where tusk is actively left wanting more, as its movepool is close to perfection, with moves for any situation ever

love my big ancient elephant :psysly:
 
Discussion of the next potential suspect has also begun internally.
For clarity, is this with potential for a Suspect within a foreseeable time frame, or more along the lines of "these are the subjects to watch for Suspect Worthiness" as things continue to develop? I know we have a couple mons for which people probably have stuff to talk about, but I also remember a sentiment of giving time after Kyurem and Gouging since their disappearance definitely eases the Teambuilder.
 
Discussion of the next potential suspect has also begun internally.
I kind of hope it is tera blast, because I think now would be a good time to suspect it as I think it has gotten a lot more support recently

Plus it feels the slightest bit too soon for a Gliscor suspect, as the metagame has barely had time to breathe since Kyurem went
 
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For clarity, is this with potential for a Suspect within a foreseeable time frame, or more along the lines of "these are the subjects to watch for Suspect Worthiness" as things continue to develop? I know we have a couple mons for which people probably have stuff to talk about, but I also remember a sentiment of giving time after Kyurem and Gouging since their disappearance definitely eases the Teambuilder.
I kind of hope it is tera blast, because I think now would be a good time to suspect it.

Plus it feels the slightest bit too soon for a Gliscor suspect
We are discussing the possibility of a Gliscor suspect in the near future. That does not guarantee it will happen, but that’s my most transparent account of the situation.
 
Well, that isn't a very nice thing to say... Garganacl has feelings, too. He's just trying to make do in a meta where everyone is against him.

Anyways, I'd like to pose another question to this thread: What is your favorite Pokémon to use in SV OU and why do you enjoy using it?
Garg needs to go away forever.

Favorite Pokémon to use? A lot. Some mons are just so fun!

Specs Swift Swim Basculegion-F - what Pult wishes it could be.

Band Samurott-H- unawallable monster.

Specs Keldeo - unwallable monster and fuck Kingambit.

Specs Walking Wake - unwallable dinosaur

SD Miracle Seed Rillaboom - underrated sweeper

DD + Roost Roaring Moon - Coolest wincon

Choice Scarf Great Tusk - goes brrr

Assault Vest Great Tusk - goated.

SD Life Orb Ceruledge - disgustingly powerful mon.

Zapdos - fat bird that haxes everyone and refuses to die

Band Swift Swim Basculegion-M - the better Barraskewda
 
Anyways, I'd like to pose another question to this thread: What is your favorite Pokémon to use in SV OU and why do you enjoy using it?
Two for the price of one, Samurott H and Ceruledge. With Samurott, I love how many options it has and how flexible it is in battle. It can get up hazards, knock off boots, revenge kill with sucker punch, and just be a damn threat with it's stab combination. Best sequence in the game is clicking Ceaseless Edge into Wellspring and then killing it with Sucker Punch after.

With Ceruledge, it's blowing things up with Banded Poltergeist. It's really hard to position because it feels like everything beats it, but when it comes in on Glowking, someone's taking 60 from Poltergeist. Bitter Blade is a fun move that lets it 1v1 things it feels like it shouldn't, like Moth. Weak Armor giving it two speed tiers is really fun to play with, I wish it could take hits better to abuse it. Final little tidbit, Destiny Bond on SD sets is really nice to outplay the inevitable Gambit sucker punch. It makes the Sucker Punch odds actually 50/50, because if they miss their sucker, they have to trade their Gambit for Ceru. Kinda sucks to have to give up CC or Sneak though.

-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Ceruledge Poltergeist vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Landorus-Therian: 208-246 (54.4 - 64.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Ceruledge Poltergeist vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Great Tusk: 228-268 (52.5 - 61.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Ceruledge Poltergeist vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Alomomola: 238-282 (44.5 - 52.8%) -- 25.8% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Ceruledge Poltergeist vs. 244 HP / 248+ Def Gliscor: 178-210 (50.5 - 59.6%) -- 28.1% chance to 2HKO after Poison Heal
 
Anyways, I'd like to pose another question to this thread: What is your favorite Pokémon to use in SV OU and why do you enjoy using it?

For me, it's probably Pecharunt. The little guy lives so many hits that it has no right to live, and it's got some nice disruption tools to compliment its defensive profile. It has a bit of an awkward typing, sure, but it still manages to put in a lot of work regardless. And I love it for that.
man i love pecharunt but it has it sooo rough in this meta... its pretty worthless against gholdengo and against gambit it can only parting shot... best matchup is zamazenta but still its pretty iffy if they get rolling with the crunch def drops...

my fav mon i said a bit ago was t-poison cress, stored power sweepers give me serotonin

and for an actual OU ranked mon i've been exploring Deo-S at Rekka's Backend recommendation and its great!! such a big damage output with LO
 
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