Resource SV OU Indigo Disk Viability Ranking Thread - (update on post #755)

[ausma]

art drawn + thread run by ausma | VR concept credit goes to PK Gaming
​

Welcome to the Scarlet and Violet Overused viability rankings, Indigo Disk edition!

In this thread, we, as a community, will be ranking every single justifiably usable Pokemon into "tiers" ranking their viability in the metagame. You're encouraged to post your thoughts and opinions on the various Pokemon that are viable in OU and what tier they should fall under. Posts in this thread will be taken into account when deciding rank changes, but the ultimate decision will be handled by OU Viability Rankings council vote during each slate of rankings!

The general idea of the topic is to rank each OU Pokemon under "rankings" that go in descending order. Since this is a tier list for the entire metagame, everything is lumped together. There won't be any segregation between offense, defense, and supportive presences in the metagame within this thread. For example, Cinderace can be ranked in the A- tier as a supportive presence, Walking Wake can be ranked in the A- as an offensive presence, and Dondozo can be ranked in the A- tier as a defensive presence.

Finally, there will be a council of experienced players who will discuss and vote on the ranking of Pokemon. Depending on how the metagame is developing, we could update the thread every couple of weeks or every month+. Please note that your posts still very much matter and will be factored in to what we discuss and the discussions themselves. This thread is nothing without the posters and every informed opinion that is shared is considered a valuable contribution in my eyes, so do not hesitate to post if you know the metagame well and understand the forum rules. The council will consist of the following users:

airfare
ausma
Finchinator
Highv0ltag3
kd458
leng loi
Lily
Mimikyu Stardust
njnp
Ruft
Sp0oN1oRd
Srn
TPP
veti
viivian


S Rank

S Rank

Kingambit

Zamazenta-Hero

S- Rank

Gholdengo

Great Tusk

A Rank

A+ Rank

Darkrai

Dragapult

Dragonite

Gliscor

Iron Moth

Iron Valiant

Kyurem

Landorus-Therian

Ogerpon-Wellspring

Raging Bolt

Samurott-Hisui

Ting-Lu

A Rank

Cinderace

Garganacl

Moltres

Roaring Moon

Slowking-Galar

A- Rank

Alomomola

Deoxys-Speed

Glimmora

Iron Crown

Iron Treads

Lokix

Pecharunt

Primarina

Tinkaton

Weavile

Zapdos

B Rank

B+ Rank

Clefable

Corviknight

Dondozo

Enamorus

Hatterene

Hydrapple

Latios

Ninetales

Ninetales-Alola

Ogerpon

Rillaboom

Scizor

Sinistcha

Ursaluna

Walking Wake

Weezing-Galar

B Rank

Araquanid

Clodsire

Greninja

Hawlucha

Hoopa-Unbound

Keldeo

Manaphy

Meowscarada

Ogerpon-Cornerstone

Okidogi

Ribombee

Serperior

Slither Wing

Skarmory

Torkoal

Tornadus-Therian

Toxapex

Volcanion

B- Rank

Barraskewda

Blaziken

Blissey

Excadrill

Garchomp

Heatran

Iron Boulder

Iron Hands

Latias

Pelipper

Rotom-Wash

Skeledirge

Tyranitar

Venusaur

C Rank

C+ Rank

Amoonguss

Ceruledge

Cresselia

Enamorus-Therian

Fezandipiti

Goodra-Hisui

Hydreigon

Kommo-o

Lilligant-Hisui

Moltres-Galar

Reuniclus

C Rank

Chansey

Comfey

Grimmsnarl

Mamoswine

Mandibuzz

Maushold

Overqwil

Thundurus-Therian

D Rank

D Rank

Arcanine-Hisui

Azumarill

Basculegion

Bellibolt

Cyclizar

Diancie

Indeedee

Iron Jugulis

Jirachi

Kingdra

Mimikyu

Necrozma

Polteageist

Quagsire

Quaquaval

Sandy Shocks

Scream Tail

Talonflame

Vileplume

Wo-Chien

 

[ausma]

Slate 1 Changes (2/11/24)

Additions:

UR to B-
UR to D
UR to C
UR to D
UR to D

Rises:

S- to S
A to A+
A to A+
A to A+
A- to A+
A- to A
A- to A
A- to A
A- to A
B+ to A-
B+ to A
B+ to A
B to A-
B to A-
B to B+
B to A-
B to B+
C to B
C to C+
D to C
D to C
D to C
D to C

Drops:

S- to A+
S- to A+
S- to A+
A+ to A
A+ to A-
A to B+
A to A-
A- to B+
A- to B+
A- to B+
A- to B+
B+ to B
B to C+
B to B-
B to B-
B to B-
B- to C+
B- to C+
B- to C+
C+ to D
C+ to C
C+ to D
C+ to C
C+ to C
C+ to C
C+ to D
C+ to D
C+ to D
C to D
C to D
C to D
C to UR
C to D
C to D
C to D

Slate 2 Changes (3/31/24)

Additions:

UR to D
UR to D
UR to D

Rises:

S- to S
A to A+
A to A+
A to A+
A- to A
A- to A
A- to A
A- to A
A- to A
A- to A
B+ to A
B+ to A-
B+ to A-
B to B+
B to B+
B- to B+
B- to B
B- to B
B- to B
B- to B
C+ to B-
C+ to B-
C+ to B-
C+ to B+
C+ to B
C to C+
C to C+
C to C+
C to C+
C to B+
C to B-
D to C
D to C
D to B-
D to C
D to B-

Drops:

A+ to B
A+ to B
A+ to A
A to A-
A to A-
A to A-
A to A-
A to A-
A- to B+
B+ to B
B+ to B
B+ to B
B+ to B-
B to B-
B- to C
B- to C+
C+ to C
C to D
C to D
D to UR
D to UR
D to UR
D to UR

Slate 3 Changes (6/4/24)

Additions:

UR to D

Rises:

A+ to S-
A+ to S-
A to A+
A- to A
B+ to A-
B+ to A-
B to B+
B to B+
B- to B+
C+ to B-

Drops:

S to S-
A to A-
A- to B+
B+ to B-
D to UR

Slate 4 Changes (7/21/24)

Additions

UR to B
UR to B-
UR to C+
UR to C+
UR to C
UR to D
UR to D
UR to D

Rises

S- to S
A to A+
A to A+
A to A+
A- to A
A- to A
B+ to A-
B+ to A
B+ to A-
B to B+
B to B+
B- to B
B- to A-
B- to A-
B- to B
B- to B
C+ to B-
C to C+
C to C+
C to B-
D to C
D to C
D to C+
D to C

Drops

S to S-
S- to A+
S- to A+
A+ to A
A to A-
A- to B+
A- to B+
A- to B+
A- to B+
A- to B
A- to B
B+ to B
B+ to B
B to B-
B to B-
B to B-
B to C+
B to C+
B to B-
B to B-
B- to C+
B- to C+
C+ to C
C to D
C to D
C to D
C to D
D to UR
D to UR

Slate 5 Changes (9/22/24)

Additions

UR to C
UR to C
UR to D
UR to D
UR to D

Rises

A+ to S-
A+ to S-
A+ to S-
A to A+
A to A+
A- to A
B+ to A-
B+ to A-
B to B+
B to B+
B to B+
B- to B
B- to B+
B- to B
C+ to B
C to C+
C to C+
C to B

Drops

A to A-
A to A-
A to A-
A- to B+
A- to B+
B+ to B
B+ to B
B+ to B
B+ to B
D to UR
D to UR

Slate 6 Changes (12/7/24)

Additions

UR to D

UR to D

UR to D

Rises

B to B+

B to A-

B to B+

B to A-

B- to B

B- to B

C+ to B-

C+ to B-

C+ to B

C+ to B-

C to B

C to C+

D to C+

D to C+

Drops

S- to A+

S- to A+

A+ to A

A to A-

A to A-

A to A-

A- to B+

A- to B+

A- to B+

A- to B+

B+ to B

B+ to B

B+ to B

B+ to B

B to B-

B to B-

B to B-

B to B-

B to B-

B to B-

B- to C+

C+ to C

C+ to C

C+ to C

C to D

C to D

C to D

C to D

C to D

D to UR

D to UR

D to UR

D to UR

D to UR

 

[ausma]

Hello everyone, it's great to be back! It's been a pretty wild and fun metagame thus far, and with it there's a lot of uncertainty around what's top dog and what is falling off, especially with so much to account for in general. As usual I will have questions open for 24 hours and I (or other council members) will respond whenever possible!

Here's a reminder to check if your question has already been answered before asking it. Thanks!

 

[Heatranator]

Wait, where is gholdengo? I can't see it on the tier list.

 

[ausma]

Wait, where is gholdengo? I can't see it on the tier list.

S-, sorry!!!

 

[Heatranator]

S-, sorry!!!

It's all good. I was guessing it was just an error. Just wondering, but why is quaquaval only D rank? I feel like it has a better niche over something like muk alola, though I do love my grimy boi.

 

[viivian]

Wait, where is gholdengo? I can't see it on the tier list.

in ubers. god bless the OU council

on a more serious note, why is ribombee in the C ranks? besides serperior i cant see much that would be a sizable nerf to sticky web as a playstyle. and as a setter ribombee is much faster than galvantula and definitely has its merits over smeargle. so whats keeping it down?

 

[FayaWizard]

in ubers. god bless the OU council

on a more serious note, why is ribombee in the C ranks? besides serperior i cant see much that would be a sizable nerf to sticky web as a playstyle. and as a setter ribombee is much faster than galvantula and definitely has its merits over smeargle. so whats keeping it down?

I would guess it's the horrible matchup into Deo-S, which completely shuts it down with Taunt, the rise in Hatterene usage, and a general decline in HO usage.

 

[BT89]

why is deoxys-defense in the c+ tier? haven’t really seen it do much of note. is cosmic power + tera just that silly?

also a lot of people have been saying waterpon fell off hard. is its ability to destroy balance and just be a crazy good breaker keeping it higher up?

 

[ausma]

It's all good. I was guessing it was just an error. Just wondering, but why is quaquaval only D rank? I feel like it has a better niche over something like muk alola, though I do love my grimy boi.

quaq has a niche but frankly the 4mss is just so bad. it wants rapid spin, setup, roost, coverage, and both of its stabs but unfortunately it can't fit everything which means you have to make some serious concessions that force it to need a lot of support to get the value you'd want out of it. the fact it's a spinner that struggles into the tier's main spinblockers (pult and dengo) is also pretty rough and is part of why 4mss stings it so hard. muk comparatively has a defensive profile and easy-progress making options that give it more applicable value and make it require less support to do what you want it to do

on a more serious note, why is ribombee in the C ranks? besides serperior i cant see much that would be a sizable nerf to sticky web as a playstyle. and as a setter ribombee is much faster than galvantula and definitely has its merits over smeargle. so whats keeping it down?

hatterene limits it a lot without skill swap whereas smeargle can still layer against it with moves like stone axe and ceaseless edge and also has its own removal to counterlead. as a lead smeargle does more and compresses more utility which makes it more desirable when you want to round off your sticky web teams with more beneficiaries in general. smeargle is a setter that is more desirable atp imo but ribombee definitely has a niche because of its speed tier to blank the axelers and the dragon darts immunity to get them up vs pult. i can see things tipping toward ribombee as things settle for sure

that being said the playstyle is just generally suffering right now and isn't as consistent as in dlc1, with many of the new move additions and new pokemon providing offense additional options into it which is why both smeargle and ribombee are kinda low regardless of competition with one another.

why is deoxys-defense in the c+ tier? haven’t really seen it do much of note. is cosmic power + tera just that silly?

cosmic power + taunt + night shade variants give it winning power which is why it's ranked as high as it is at all, but aside from that, as a wall it is given a bit of a niche because of its utility (namely knock/spikes), access to recovery, and its speed tier in tandem, though it is overall outclassed by gliscor

 

[viivian]

also a lot of people have been saying waterpon fell off hard. is its ability to destroy balance and just be a crazy good breaker keeping it higher up?

yep, ogerpon is still really good as a wallbreaker (especially given how common stall/balance is in the current meta) but the uptick in strong, bulky dragon types added in this DLC seriously harms her viability. shes usually forced to run play rough/low kick to not get walled by pokemon like archaludon, kyurem and the occasional hydrapple, which kills off a lot of the set versatility she had in DLC1

 

[Magcargo]

Why is dragonite all the way down in B+?

Why is Walking Wake A rank now and not lower?

Why is Darkrai A- and not higher?

Edit: also why is Valiant only A- on that note

 

[Reviloja753]

This is probably a dumb question but what’s Primarina doing in OU and so high up? Did it get some buff that I didn’t see? I’m not complaining I just haven’t seen people mention it before and idk what it does in this meta

 

[Highv0ltag3]

art drawn + thread run by ausma | VR concept credit goes to PK Gaming
​

Welcome to the Scarlet and Violet Overused viability rankings, Indigo Disk edition!

In this thread, we, as a community, will be ranking every single justifiably usable Pokemon into "tiers" ranking their viability in the metagame. You're encouraged to post your thoughts and opinions on the various Pokemon that are viable in OU and what tier they should fall under. Posts in this thread will be taken into account when deciding rank changes, but the ultimate decision will be handled by OU Viability Rankings council vote during each slate of rankings!

The general idea of the topic is to rank each OU Pokemon under "rankings" that go in descending order. Since this is a tier list for the entire metagame, everything is lumped together. There won't be any segregation between offense, defense, and supportive presences in the metagame within this thread. For example, Cinderace can be ranked in the A- tier as a supportive presence, Walking Wake can be ranked in the A- as an offensive presence, and Dondozo can be ranked in the A- tier as a defensive presence.

Finally, there will be a council of experienced players who will discuss and vote on the ranking of Pokemon. Depending on how the metagame is developing, we could update the thread every couple of weeks or every month+. Please note that your posts still very much matter and will be factored in to what we discuss and the discussions themselves. This thread is nothing without the posters and every informed opinion that is shared is considered a valuable contribution in my eyes, so do not hesitate to post if you know the metagame well and understand the forum rules. The council will consist of the following users:

• airfare
• ausma
• ayevon
• Baloor
• Finchinator
• Highv0ltag3
• Lily
• Mimikyu Stardust
• njnp
• Ruft
• TPP

S Rank

S Rank

Kingambit

S- Rank

Dragapult

Gholdengo

Gliscor

Great Tusk

Kyurem

A Rank

A+ Rank

Gouging Fire

Meowscarada

Raging Bolt

Roaring Moon

Slowking-Galar

Ting-Lu

A Rank

Archaludon

Deoxys-Speed

Enamorus

Hatterene

Iron Boulder

Pelipper

Samurott-Hisui

Skarmory

Volcarona

Walking Wake

Weavile

Zamazenta-Hero

A- Rank

Barraskewda

Cinderace

Clefable

Darkrai

Dondozo

Glimmora

Iron Valiant

Landorus-Therian

Ogerpon-Wellspring

Rillaboom

Serperior

Skeledirge

Torkoal

B Rank

B+ Rank

Clodsire

Corviknight

Dragonite

Greninja

Iron Treads

Latias

Primarina

Tornadus-Therian

Toxapex

B Rank

Alomomola

Amoonguss

Blaziken

Excadrill

Garganacl

Hawlucha

Heatran

Hydrapple

Iron Moth

Keldeo

Latios

Manaphy

Ninetales-Alola

Rotom-Wash

Scizor

Ursaluna

Venusaur

Zapdos

B- Rank

Garchomp

Hoopa-Unbound

Iron Crown

Kingdra

Ogerpon-Cornerstone

Tyranitar

Volcanion

C Rank

C+ Rank

Blissey

Deoxys-Defense

Enamorus-Therian

Indeedee

Milotic

Moltres

Necrozma

Ogerpon

Weezing-Galar

Smeargle

Iron Jugulis

Moltres-Galar

C Rank

Azumarill

Basculegion

Breloom

Ceruledge

Cresselia

Iron Hands

Lilligant-Hisui

Mamoswine

Mandibuzz

Maushold

Muk-Alola

Polteageist

Reuniclus

Ribombee

Sandy Shocks

Sinistcha

Thundurus-Therian

Tinkaton

Grimmsnarl

D Rank

D Rank

Arcanine-Hisui

Cinccino

Empoleon

Goodra-Hisui

Kommo-o

Quaquaval

Scream Tail

Tentacruel

Suicune

Zarude

I thought I would never see the day Latias surpassed Latios, but it has finally happened, another banger from the SV OU Metagame

 

[Alfa Lags]

This is probably a dumb question but what’s Primarina doing in OU and so high up? Did it get some buff that I didn’t see? I’m not complaining I just haven’t seen people mention it before and idk what it does in this meta

Very good special bulk, combined with an excellent typing both defensively and offensively (especially into all the dragons) + a pivot move in flip turn.

 

[Highv0ltag3]

Why is dragonite all the way down in B+?

Why is Walking Wake A rank now and not lower?

Why is Darkrai A- and not higher?

Edit: also why is Valiant only A- on that note

Dragonite struggles into Kyurem, Gliscor and Skarmory which were not in OU before the DLC2 update. It also gets owned by Meowscarada, since it gained triple axel, and hated Weavile´s rise in popularity. Also Darkrai and Deo-S sometimes run Ice Beam.

Walking Wake is good now because Sun became good. With Roaring Moon coming back, Hatterene being a solid anti-hazard option in the face of Gliscor and Deo-S, as well as the addition of Gouging Fire and Raging Bolt, Sun became a lot better. It also takes advantage of opposing Rain becoming viable due to Archaludon´s addition.

Darkrai is hard to justify over Weavile or Meowscarada on balance or bulkier teams. It fits mostly on Hyper Offense and Bulky Offense, where it often has to get predicts right and not miss Hypnosis/Focus Blast

Valiant is simply outsped by Iron Boulder and hit super effectively by zen headbutt. It also hates Volcarona coming back since it walls it like nothing else does.

 

[1LDK]

what does tornadus therian do to be in B+?

 

[MC Squared]

Poor Iron Moth dropping a whole rank after Volcarona's return

 

[Pokemon Trainer: Shadow]

Poor Iron Moth dropping a whole rank after Volcarona's return

The faker will never surpass the original

 

[viivian]

I thought I would never see the day Latias surpassed Latios, but it has finally happened, another banger from the SV OU Metagame

technically mega latias was better than mega latios during SM but this is the first time base form latias eclipses base form latios in viability which is pretty impressive. then again double dance stored power latias w/ tera is no joke so i cant say im too surprised shes so high

what does tornadus therian do to be in B+?

same thing it did in DLC1, harass switch-ins with knock off and u-turn. it can also function as a potent NP sweeper on rain teams but the pivot set is overall the best and most splashable tornadus-T set for the same reasons as always

 

[ausma]

Very good special bulk, combined with an excellent typing both defensively and offensively (especially into all the dragons) + a pivot move in flip turn.

cm is also a potent win condition and psychic noise with liquid voice is a decently disruptive option to make progress throughout the game. and yes av is alright too but i personally rate cm higher

what does tornadus therian do to be in B+?

av is pretty damn good rn imo and its speed tier/resistance profile in tandem w/ regen is just generally neat for buffering a lot of mons in the metagame, and knock/u-turn off of torn are never not useful.

 

[ImZer0]

technically mega latias was better than mega latios during SM but this is the first time base form latias eclipses base form latios in viability which is pretty impressive. then again double dance stored power latias w/ tera is no joke so i cant say im too surprised shes so high

i wanna mention for a sec that she also surprisingly eclipsed base latios in oras(latios dropped all the way to B+ while latias rose all the way to A), but yea those double dance sets are insane this gen and she could always run classic scarf hwish for the most part too which is still quite amazing still

 

[BolTingBlazie]

Honestly surprised that Gouging Fire is only A+, feels like an S- threat to me for the bulky sets as well as the sweeper sets providing strong set variety and how easy this mon to fit outside of stall, why is it A+ and not S-?

Also Toxapex and Landorus-T feel a too high on the VR, as honestly they still have the same prominent problems they did last dlc, why do they rank so high?

 

[658Greninja]

I’m puzzled with the Lando-T placement. What set is it running that has propelled it to A- tier?

Ursaluna being in the B ranks surprise me. With how common Skarm is on Balance builds and how vulnerable to hazards it is, what is the reasoning of this placement?

 

[waffle04]

Also Toxapex and Landorus-T feel a too high on the VR, as honestly they still have the same prominent problems they did last dlc, why do they rank so high?

For Lando specifically, it works as great blanket check for the new and returning threats like gf, rb, ib and exca while being ok into things like gambit and being able to force them out with a strong eq. Better special bulk, stronger eqs, Intimidate and spikes immunity are its bonuses over great tusk as a do-it-all ground mon.