Sub-CM Primarina (Water) [QC: 1/2]

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:ss/Primarina:
[SET]
name: Substitute + Calm Mind (Water)
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Calm Mind
move 3: Draining Kiss / Moonblast
move 4: Psychic
item: Leftovers
ability: Torrent
nature: Calm
evs: 252 HP / 8 Def / 128 SpA / 108 SpD / 12 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Primarina is a dangerous special sweeper thanks to its high natural special bulk and access to Calm Mind making it an excellent choice on water teams, due to its ability to improve matchups such as Dragon-, Dark-, Fighting- and Poison-type teams. Substitute helps Primarina to avoid status conditions such as Toxic and Paralysis which helps in making passive mons such as Toxapex and Porygon-2 setup fodder. Calm Mind is an excellent move making Primarina a threatening setup sweeper, Calm Mind gives Primarina ability to take on Gengar and Specs Kyurem after a boost. Draining Kiss acts as its STAB hitting Dark-, Dragon- and Fighting-types like Hydregion and Urshifu hard while also increasing its long longevity as a partial form of recovery alongside Leftovers. Moonblast can be used over Draining Kiss for better damage output most notably turning 2HKOs against Bisharp and Kyurem into OHKO, while 2HKOing Hatterene and Skuntank and getting high chance to 2HKO bulky Tyranitar and Skuntank respectively after a boost but makes it dependent on Leftovers alone for any kind of recovery. Psychic helps Primarina in beating Poison-types like Weezing-Galar, Amoonguss and Toxapex after Calm Mind boost which otherwise resist Primarina Fairy-type STAB. Primarina act as a excellent late-game cleaner after it checks like Drapion and Dragalge have been dealt with. Primarina should prioritize getting a Substitute against passive Pokemon like Toxapex, bulky Aegislash which rely on status condition to beat it or against breakers like Hydregion and Keldeo due to their inability to break past Primarina due to excellent defensive typing against their STABs, thereafter getting Calm Mind boost to sweep teams. Max HP investment alongside 108 SpD evs and Calm nature ensures that freeze dry from Sub Kyurem is always a 3HKO while 128 Spa evs 2HKO physically defensive Toxapex if it tries to Haze away Primarina's boosts.

Toxapex provides Primarina with a defensive pivot against Grass- and Poison-type attacks such as Power Whip from Ferrothorn and Zarude, or Poison Jab from Drapion and Sludge Wave from Dragalge. Primarina further appreciates Toxapex's ability to deal with setup sweepers like Dragapult and Scizor which otherwise threaten Primarina, due to virtue of its access to Haze while also providing Toxic or Toxic Spikes support to wear teams down thus making Primarina more effective in sweeping teams. Toxapex can spread Scald burns to Pokemon like Skuntank and Drapion, while also having Knock Off to remove Leftovers, thus making them easier to beat later on, but it should be beware of opposing Knock Off as it can hurt it's longevity by removing Black Sludge. Gastrodon is an excellent partner for Primarina due to its Electric immunity as well as ability to spread Toxic. Keldeo does a great job of handling Steel-types like Ferrothorn, Scizor and Excadrill which otherwise Primarina can find it tough to break through. Cloyster can help in Grass-type Matchup while further further aiding Primarina's ability to take on Dragon-type teams along with threatening Togekiss in the Fairy-type teams. Slowking can pivot Primarina safely in due to Teleport, while also able to switch-in on Indeedee and Dragalge which Primarina can struggle with to beat without Calm Mind boosts. Rotom-Wash is also a great due to its ability to Trick Choice Scarf to walls, while acting as a fast pivot and providing Defog support to clear hazards which otherwise could prevent Primarina from sweeping.

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- <Water> analysis by: [[The Thunderbirds, 475881]]
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The Thunderbirds said:
:ss/Primarina:
[SET]
name: Substitute + Calm Mind
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Calm Mind
move 3: Psychic
move 4: Draining Kiss / Moonblast
item: Leftovers
ability: Torrent
nature: Calm
evs: 252 HP / 8 Def / 128 SpA / 108 SpD / 12 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Primarina is a dangerous special sweeper thanks to its high natural special bulk and access to Calm Mind making it an excellent choice on water teams, due to its ability to improve matchups such as Dragon-, Dark-, Fighting- and Poison-types. Substitute helps Primarina to avoid status conditions such as Toxic and Paralysis which helps in making passive mons such as Toxapex, Mantine Mantine wins the 1v1 and eats any of Primarina's attacks + has Haze to get rid of Calm Mind boost and Porygon-2 setup fodder. Calm Mind is a setup move increasing the damage output of Psychic and Draining Kiss making it potential wincon against Fighting-, Dragon- and Poison-type teams securing 2HKOs against Amoonguss and Toxapex with Psychic and Duraludon, Mandibuzz and Kyurem with Draining Kiss at +1 respectively. Instead of explaining this with Calm Mind, I would mention how it turns Primarina to a powerful setup sweeper and makes it able to tank hits from Gengar after one Calm Mind that it could not before and take care of them with Psychic. I would delete the latter part and move it to where you mention the moves Psychic and Draining Kiss to explain what these moves hit as you mention the same stuff later on in this paragraph when talking about moves. Psychic acts as the main coverage move and This is fluff, just make sure when you are writing you avoid using filler like this, I would also add onto the next part some Poison-types it can beat like Amoonguss and Gengar if it is behind a sub or has a couple cm up to tank a hit helps in beating Poison-types which otherwise resist its Fairy STAB. Draining Kiss acts as its STAB hitting Dark-, Dragon- and Fighting-types I know you mention some examples below, but add some up here as well that Draining Kiss can cover without needing the extra power. hard while also increasing its long longevity as a partial form of recovery alongside Leftovers that can help Primarina sweep. Moonblast can be used over Draining Kiss for better damage output most notably turning 2HKOs against Bisharp, Mandibuzz and Kyurem into OHKO and getting high chance to 2HKO bulky Tyranitar and Skuntank at +1 say after one Calm Mind, as the +1 here is not clear if someone is reading this to what +1 refers to respectively but makes it dependent on Leftovers alone for any kind of recovery. I would give a usage tip of when to use sub ie Toxapex and Hydreigon and when to use Calm Mind against like Mandibuzz, Amoonguss, and Keldeo just to readers a grasp of how to set up Primarina and get it to sweep. Max HP investment alongside 108 SpD evs and Calm nature ensures that freeze dry from Sub Kyurem is always a 3HKO while 128 Spa evs ensures 2HKO against Toxapex after Haze. 12 Spe evs help in outspeeding bulky Tyranitar variants.

Water-types like This is a water analysis, this line at the beginning is not needed. Toxapex appreciates Primarina's ability to take on Dark-, Dragon- and Poison-types, notably Amoonguss, opposing Toxapex, Hydregion and Substitute Kyurem. Toxapex in return provides Primarina with a defensive pivot against Grass-type Pokemon such as Ferrothorn, and Virizion. Virizion is sorta rare these days, would instead mention Venusaur because even on the off chance it use Earth Power, you live a hit (252+ SpA Choice Specs Venusaur Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Toxapex: 198-234 (65.1 - 76.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO) Primarina further appreciates Toxapex's ability to not only pivot into Poison-types like Drapion and Skuntank but also spreading Scald burns I wouldnt mention Scald burns as a reason here, I would mention instead how Toxapex can use Haze on set up attackers that can threaten Primarina like Dragapult (x1 dd pult hurts Primarina so much +1 252 Atk Dragapult Phantom Force vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Primarina: 267-315 (73.5 - 86.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery and goes tho sub cuz of Infiltrator, and Toxapex can come in on strong physical attacks from Scizor. and providing Toxic or Toxic Spikes support to wear teams down thus making Primarina more effective in sweeping teams. Seismitoad is also an excellent partner for Primarina due to its immunity against Electric-type attacks while providing Stealth Rock support to support Primarina and making it able to get KOs more easier. Crawdaunt ability to break past Jirachi further helps Primarina. I would also add how Crawduant can greatly help in the normal mu with taking care of Chansey and Diggersby that could give Primarina problems. Keldeo does a great job of handling Steel-types like Ferrothorn, Scizor and Excadrill which otherwise Primarina can find it tough to break through. I would also add Cloyster as it can help take care of Dragagle and the Dragon mu overall along with threatening Togekiss in the fairy mu with appricating Primarina taking care of Hydregion and Duraludon. You could also add Slowking as a protentional partner as it can pivot Primarina in thanks to Teleport and come in on Dragagle and Indeedee-M attacks that Primarina can struggle with taking well. You can also add Rotom-W as a good partner because of it helping in the water mirror / Azumarill and Togekiss check thanks to its Electric-typing, fast pivot to bring Primarina in and can use Defog to get rid of entry hazards that could cripple Primarina from sweeping.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[The Thunderbirds, 475881]]
- <Water> analysis by: [[The Thunderbirds, 475881]]
- Quality checked by: [[username1, userid1], [username2, userid2]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]
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[SET]
name: Substitute + Calm Mind (Water)
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Calm Mind
move 3: Psychic
move 4: Draining Kiss / Moonblast Reorder it to Fairy STAB move 3 and Psychic move 4
item: Leftovers
ability: Torrent
nature: Calm
evs: 252 HP / 8 Def / 128 SpA / 108 SpD / 12 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
"Primarina is a dangerous special sweeper thanks to its high natural special bulk and access to Calm Mind making it an excellent choice on water teams, due to its ability to improve matchups such as Dragon-, Dark-, Fighting- and Poison-types."
- These aren't "x-type Pokemon", they're just x-type teams. Reword this to reflect that

"Calm Mind is an excellent move making Primarina a threatening setup sweeper, Calm Mind gives Primarina ability to revenge kill Gengar and Specs Kyurem after a boost. "
- "Revenge kill" is incorrect phrasing wise as you aren't using Primarina to outspeed and beat these Pokemon, you get up a Calm Mind and live attacks from them. The correct term would be "take on".

"Psychic helps Primarina in beating Poison-types like Weezing-Galar and Toxapex after Calm Mind boost which otherwise resist Primarina Fairy-type STAB. Psychic also helps Primarina in breaking past Amoonguss and Dragalge if behind a Substitute or after multiple Calm Mind . "
- Merge Amoonguss and Dragalge into Poison-type Pokemon, the second sentence is largely unnecessary as it is.

"Draining Kiss acts as its STAB hitting Dark-, Dragon- and Fighting-types like Hydregion and Urshifu hard while also increasing its long longevity as a partial form of recovery alongside Leftovers. Moonblast can be used over Draining Kiss for better damage output most notably turning 2HKOs against Bisharp, Mandibuzz and Kyurem into OHKO and getting high chance to 2HKO bulky Tyranitar and Skuntank at respectively after a boost but makes it dependent on Leftovers alone for any kind of recovery. "
- Mandibuzz does nothing back to you and is irrelevant, focus on beating Pokemon like Hatterene, Drapion, and Skuntank which Moonblast is noticeably better at dealing with than Draining Kiss. Move Fairy STAB above Psychic as it is far more important.

"Primarina should prioritize getting a Substitute against passive Pokemon like Toxapex which rely on status condition to beat it or against breakers like Hydregion and Keldeo due to their inability to break past Primarina thereafter getting Calm Mind boost to sweep teams."
- Would note how Primarina can take on Hydreigon and Keldeo using its defensive typing, also worth noting Toxic Aegislash as a status user

Against Amoonguss and Mandibuzz, Primarina should set Substitute only on a predict switch as Amoonguss can break it's Substitute with its STABs while Mandibuzz can Toxic Primarina due to it's higher speed, thus cutting the sweep short. Max HP investment alongside 108 SpD evs and Calm nature ensures that freeze dry from Sub Kyurem is always a 3HKO while 128 Spa evs ensures 2HKO against Toxapex after Haze.
- Reword this to say "2HKO physically defensive Toxapex if it tries to Haze away Primarina's boosts" or something less ambiguous

Toxapex appreciates Primarina's ability to take on Dark-, Dragon- and Poison-types, notably Amoonguss, opposing Toxapex, Hydregion and Substitute Kyurem. Toxapex in return provides Primarina with a defensive pivot against Grass-type Pokemon such as Ferrothorn, and Zarude.
- Note Poison-type attacks and rephrase it to Grass-type attacks. Give examples.

Toxapex can further spread Scald burns which can it easier for Primarina to setup on and beat Pokemon like Drapion and Cobalion.
- Talk about this when you talk about Drapion and Skuntank, also worth talking about Knock Off neutering them and Toxapex in the same vein as Scald.

Seismitoad is also an excellent partner for Primarina due to its immunity against Electric-type attacks while providing Stealth Rock support to support Primarina and making easier for it to get KOs. Crawdaunt ability to break past Jirachi, Chansey and Diggersby further helps Primarina.
- Seismitoad is awful on balance, Gastrodon overshadows it so I would recommend talking about that instead if anything.

"Rotom-Wash is also a great due to its ability to aid Water-type matchups, while acting as a fast pivot and providing Defog support to clear hazards which otherwise could prevent Primarina from sweeping."
- Talk about Trick anchoring fat walls > aiding Water-type matchups, Primarina is already great in the Water mirror.

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Decem said:
[SET]
name: Substitute + Calm Mind (Water)
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Calm Mind
move 3: Psychic
move 4: Draining Kiss / Moonblast Reorder it to Fairy STAB move 3 and Psychic move 4
item: Leftovers
ability: Torrent
nature: Calm
evs: 252 HP / 8 Def / 128 SpA / 108 SpD / 12 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
"Primarina is a dangerous special sweeper thanks to its high natural special bulk and access to Calm Mind making it an excellent choice on water teams, due to its ability to improve matchups such as Dragon-, Dark-, Fighting- and Poison-types."
- These aren't "x-type Pokemon", they're just x-type teams. Reword this to reflect that

"Calm Mind is an excellent move making Primarina a threatening setup sweeper, Calm Mind gives Primarina ability to revenge kill Gengar and Specs Kyurem after a boost. "
- "Revenge kill" is incorrect phrasing wise as you aren't using Primarina to outspeed and beat these Pokemon, you get up a Calm Mind and live attacks from them. The correct term would be "take on".

"Psychic helps Primarina in beating Poison-types like Weezing-Galar and Toxapex after Calm Mind boost which otherwise resist Primarina Fairy-type STAB. Psychic also helps Primarina in breaking past Amoonguss and Dragalge if behind a Substitute or after multiple Calm Mind . "
- Merge Amoonguss and Dragalge into Poison-type Pokemon, the second sentence is largely unnecessary as it is.

"Draining Kiss acts as its STAB hitting Dark-, Dragon- and Fighting-types like Hydregion and Urshifu hard while also increasing its long longevity as a partial form of recovery alongside Leftovers. Moonblast can be used over Draining Kiss for better damage output most notably turning 2HKOs against Bisharp, Mandibuzz and Kyurem into OHKO and getting high chance to 2HKO bulky Tyranitar and Skuntank at respectively after a boost but makes it dependent on Leftovers alone for any kind of recovery. "
- Mandibuzz does nothing back to you and is irrelevant, focus on beating Pokemon like Hatterene, Drapion, and Skuntank which Moonblast is noticeably better at dealing with than Draining Kiss. Move Fairy STAB above Psychic as it is far more important.

"Primarina should prioritize getting a Substitute against passive Pokemon like Toxapex which rely on status condition to beat it or against breakers like Hydregion and Keldeo due to their inability to break past Primarina thereafter getting Calm Mind boost to sweep teams."
- Would note how Primarina can take on Hydreigon and Keldeo using its defensive typing, also worth noting Toxic Aegislash as a status user

Against Amoonguss and Mandibuzz, Primarina should set Substitute only on a predict switch as Amoonguss can break it's Substitute with its STABs while Mandibuzz can Toxic Primarina due to it's higher speed, thus cutting the sweep short. Max HP investment alongside 108 SpD evs and Calm nature ensures that freeze dry from Sub Kyurem is always a 3HKO while 128 Spa evs ensures 2HKO against Toxapex after Haze.
- Reword this to say "2HKO physically defensive Toxapex if it tries to Haze away Primarina's boosts" or something less ambiguous

Toxapex appreciates Primarina's ability to take on Dark-, Dragon- and Poison-types, notably Amoonguss, opposing Toxapex, Hydregion and Substitute Kyurem. Toxapex in return provides Primarina with a defensive pivot against Grass-type Pokemon such as Ferrothorn, and Zarude.
- Note Poison-type attacks and rephrase it to Grass-type attacks. Give examples.

Toxapex can further spread Scald burns which can it easier for Primarina to setup on and beat Pokemon like Drapion and Cobalion.
- Talk about this when you talk about Drapion and Skuntank, also worth talking about Knock Off neutering them and Toxapex in the same vein as Scald.

Seismitoad is also an excellent partner for Primarina due to its immunity against Electric-type attacks while providing Stealth Rock support to support Primarina and making easier for it to get KOs. Crawdaunt ability to break past Jirachi, Chansey and Diggersby further helps Primarina.
- Seismitoad is awful on balance, Gastrodon overshadows it so I would recommend talking about that instead if anything.

"Rotom-Wash is also a great due to its ability to aid Water-type matchups, while acting as a fast pivot and providing Defog support to clear hazards which otherwise could prevent Primarina from sweeping."
- Talk about Trick anchoring fat walls > aiding Water-type matchups, Primarina is already great in the Water mirror.

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