Hello, it's me again, making a discussion about a poison-type pokemon again, using a weird title to call your attention. Again.
The pogey this time is Crobat, and I was wondering if a little sturdier spread, leftovers and Roost couldn't make the bat somewhat a tankish special sweeper. After all, 85 HP and 80 Def/Sp.Def are not marvelous, but aren't too shabby either.
Crobat @Leftovers/Black Sludge
Timid Nature
Old spread: 38 HP, 252 Sp.Atk, 220 Spd
New spread: 102 HP, 28 Sp.Atk, 160 Sp.Def, 220 Spd
- Nasty Plot
- Air Slash
- HP Fighting/Ground/Dark Pulse
- Roost
The new EV spread over the old spread:
This Crobat is easier to setup than it looks. First, bring it on a weakned foe you can scare (it won't be difficult considering Crobat's high speed) or something you're sure that'll run from Crobat, like Heracross, to set up a NP on the switch. But a single Nasty Plot won't be enough. This spread gives Crobat 182 Sp.Atk, which will become a mere 364 after NP. That's why I focused on defensives EVs. If you manage to get more NP, you'll end up with a sturdy, fast and powerfull sweeper, and bulky waters are nice pogeys for your set up, keep reading.
Most Bulky Waters carry Ice Beam, which will lure them to stay and try to 2KO you. But no bulky water other than Vaporeon can 2KO you with this EV spread (leftovers recovery considered), so you can easily use 2 NP (546 Sp.Atk) and 2KO all of them. Even Vaporeon has a chance of doesn't 2KOing, so you can stall it with some luck (NP, Roost, NP, Roost, Roost, sweep). And if Swampert thinks it can get you on the Roost turn with Earthquake, it'll be disappointed. The Max damage standard BulkyPerts use can't do much them 335 damage, and guess what? You have 336, which is also a good number for lefties recovery. Of course, freeze hax or CH screws you, but they can screw every single strategy, and that can't be helped.
In the end, if you manage to setup 2 NP, you'll end up with 336 HP, 196 Def, 546 Sp.Atk, 235 Sp.Def and 385 Spd, nothing you'd underestimate, would you?
The old spread gives you 238 Sp.Atk, which is by far more appealing than 182, but you'll have a hard time to setup a single NP (476 Sp.Atk) and you'll end up with weaker defenses, so it's better to go with the new spread for a better final result.
Now the moveset. It's all based on Roost. Crobat has some nice resistances (Bug, Fighting, Grass - all x4 and ground immunity) and it's weak to Ice/Rock/Electric/Psychic. Psychic is a terrible offensive type and you won't see it soon. Roost gets rid of the other 3 weakness and heal a half of your HP while it makes you weak to Earthquake, which isn't a safe move to use against Crobat, even in prediction wars. Crobat is faster than anything not scarfed, so you'll probably use Roost first to benefit from the no weakness effect. This means, you can take and heal some hits, set up some Nasty Plots on the process and if you're lucky enough, sweep. It's more complicated than the Life Orb standard special sweeper, but it looks a lot more reliable to me. Unfortunately, you give up an attack slot for Roost, and I'll talk about it on the next paragraph.
The lack of coverage will hurt, no matter what you choose. Air Slash is essential because of STAB and flinch hax, but flying isn't a good attacking move, so you should pick a move to help with coverage. Fight and Ground hurts Rock and Steel types that resists Air Slash. Fight can also get rid of Ttar of Weavile, which is something you always want, but it isn't effective against most of the commom steels (Jirachi and Metagross). Ground is what you need to destroy steel types. It's super effective against the ones above, and it's 4x effective against Magnezone and Heatran, two major OU threats. Dark Pulse is by far the worse option, as it'll leave you helpless against steels, but it has a higher power than HP, and the flinch chance. It also hits Rotom (super effective) and Zapdos, which resist the Flying/Ground/Fighting combo. Uneffective coverage means your Crobat will need some team support to sweep, specially if you're bold enough yo use it on OU.
That's it. What do you think about the Sturdy Special Sweeper Crobat?
The pogey this time is Crobat, and I was wondering if a little sturdier spread, leftovers and Roost couldn't make the bat somewhat a tankish special sweeper. After all, 85 HP and 80 Def/Sp.Def are not marvelous, but aren't too shabby either.
Crobat @Leftovers/Black Sludge
Timid Nature
Old spread: 38 HP, 252 Sp.Atk, 220 Spd
New spread: 102 HP, 28 Sp.Atk, 160 Sp.Def, 220 Spd
- Nasty Plot
- Air Slash
- HP Fighting/Ground/Dark Pulse
- Roost
The new EV spread over the old spread:
This Crobat is easier to setup than it looks. First, bring it on a weakned foe you can scare (it won't be difficult considering Crobat's high speed) or something you're sure that'll run from Crobat, like Heracross, to set up a NP on the switch. But a single Nasty Plot won't be enough. This spread gives Crobat 182 Sp.Atk, which will become a mere 364 after NP. That's why I focused on defensives EVs. If you manage to get more NP, you'll end up with a sturdy, fast and powerfull sweeper, and bulky waters are nice pogeys for your set up, keep reading.
Most Bulky Waters carry Ice Beam, which will lure them to stay and try to 2KO you. But no bulky water other than Vaporeon can 2KO you with this EV spread (leftovers recovery considered), so you can easily use 2 NP (546 Sp.Atk) and 2KO all of them. Even Vaporeon has a chance of doesn't 2KOing, so you can stall it with some luck (NP, Roost, NP, Roost, Roost, sweep). And if Swampert thinks it can get you on the Roost turn with Earthquake, it'll be disappointed. The Max damage standard BulkyPerts use can't do much them 335 damage, and guess what? You have 336, which is also a good number for lefties recovery. Of course, freeze hax or CH screws you, but they can screw every single strategy, and that can't be helped.
In the end, if you manage to setup 2 NP, you'll end up with 336 HP, 196 Def, 546 Sp.Atk, 235 Sp.Def and 385 Spd, nothing you'd underestimate, would you?
The old spread gives you 238 Sp.Atk, which is by far more appealing than 182, but you'll have a hard time to setup a single NP (476 Sp.Atk) and you'll end up with weaker defenses, so it's better to go with the new spread for a better final result.
Now the moveset. It's all based on Roost. Crobat has some nice resistances (Bug, Fighting, Grass - all x4 and ground immunity) and it's weak to Ice/Rock/Electric/Psychic. Psychic is a terrible offensive type and you won't see it soon. Roost gets rid of the other 3 weakness and heal a half of your HP while it makes you weak to Earthquake, which isn't a safe move to use against Crobat, even in prediction wars. Crobat is faster than anything not scarfed, so you'll probably use Roost first to benefit from the no weakness effect. This means, you can take and heal some hits, set up some Nasty Plots on the process and if you're lucky enough, sweep. It's more complicated than the Life Orb standard special sweeper, but it looks a lot more reliable to me. Unfortunately, you give up an attack slot for Roost, and I'll talk about it on the next paragraph.
The lack of coverage will hurt, no matter what you choose. Air Slash is essential because of STAB and flinch hax, but flying isn't a good attacking move, so you should pick a move to help with coverage. Fight and Ground hurts Rock and Steel types that resists Air Slash. Fight can also get rid of Ttar of Weavile, which is something you always want, but it isn't effective against most of the commom steels (Jirachi and Metagross). Ground is what you need to destroy steel types. It's super effective against the ones above, and it's 4x effective against Magnezone and Heatran, two major OU threats. Dark Pulse is by far the worse option, as it'll leave you helpless against steels, but it has a higher power than HP, and the flinch chance. It also hits Rotom (super effective) and Zapdos, which resist the Flying/Ground/Fighting combo. Uneffective coverage means your Crobat will need some team support to sweep, specially if you're bold enough yo use it on OU.
That's it. What do you think about the Sturdy Special Sweeper Crobat?
