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DPP SPL Discussion and Hype thread!

Commencement Thread
Admin Thread
SPL XVI Hype Thread
Auction Results
Schedule

Predictions Contest

Starters (per PR Lineups):
BKC
Void
Malekith
Groudon
Ladybug
crucify
We Three Kings
Laurel
Dridri457
Pkel SweeTforU


SPL Commencement Video

Discuss away. Info will be updated here periodically.
 
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2 years ago I made a pretty accurate PR, and last year it was quite inaccurate; let's see if I can do better this year. More so this is just an introduction to the pool and some post-draft thoughts for people not as in tune with the community. Goes without saying I am not including my DPP player.

1. Void - Wolfpack
Historic 9-0 last year, off of amazing teams topped with great play. Void is good and back in form. While being #1 specifically might be a surprise to some, he definitely deserves it off of last year. My gut says with the retain, he's confident in a repeat performance, so he's the one to beat this year. Looking forward to seeing the builds and gameplay.

2. BKC - Tyrants
The goat. I'm not going to spot check when his last full DPP season was, but it has to be super long ago. Surprisingly, BKC is quite negative all time in DPP in team tournaments, but of course the reality is he's one of the best DPP players ever, and he's won many individual DPP tournaments. Most recently, he was the runner up in Jirachee's DPP Invitational in 2023. Without a doubt, and by a decent margin, BKC is the best player in the pool. I can't rank him #1 due to Void's 9-0 and I think Void is likely to bring the best builds in the pool, but it will be very interesting to see BKC's teams, because without a doubt he will be a very strong contender for the season's best record.

3. Malekith - Tigers
An SPL DPP staple. Since SPL 10, every time Malekith has played DPP, he has finished the regular season 5-4, lost in semis if played, and then his team was eliminated. This DPP pool is way better than last year's, and probably some other years too. Malekith is consistently a really good DPP player who has his own style of builds and play. I'm expecting him to repeat his pattern, but it would be unsurprising to see him break it with a 6-3 regular season performance. Either way, a clear top 3 in the pool to me without much debate for his consistency and years of experience in the tier.

4. Pkel SweeTforU - Scooters
Pkel SweeTforU, aka Jon, has been a DPP ladderer for almost a decade, but never really played smogon tournaments until recently. This year he exploded onto the scene with a dominant DPP Global win, not dropping a single set, and breezing through the circuit championship to finals. He debuted in SCL, having been a DPP main forever, playing SV, a tier he hadn't played before, and went 7-4 including a 2-0 playoffs against strong opposition, demonstrating his top notch pokemon fundamentals and strong approach to team tournaments. What holds him back is that it's his first SPL, so he will be debuting as a DPP starter now despite his years of tier experience. While his year has been explosive, placing him after players with years of experience and strong DPP results to match his experience feels right.

5. Dridri457 - Ruiners
My 10th place ranked player last year, Dridri's debut tournament was very strong. Not including the hacking incident in semis, Dridri went 5-4* which included a notable dominant performance in finals, which was one of the most impressive SPL DPP games in recent memory. That said, while he's continued to play the tier actively since then, he hasn't made additional waves. Also, he seemed to rely on support from august and anti last year to some extent. I'm sure he will find help if he needs it and we can certainly expect him to be a threat in the pool, despite it being stronger than last year. Will Dridri have another strong performance and establish himself as a consistent DPP teamtour player, if he hasn't already? It will be interesting to see.

6. Laurel - Raiders
Last year, I ranked Laurel 7th in a weaker pool. This year, while he hasn't moved up that much, it's not a testament to Laurel but rather one to the pool's strength increasing. Over the last two SPLs, Laurel has amassed a 7-4 record in DPP. A veteran and longtime player in the tier, with a DPP cup win and a unique and experienced teambuilder, Laurel is looking to continue his solid SPL performances and net an even stronger record. While it's certainly quite possible that he does this, it's also looking to be a bigger challenge than last year. Will Laurel be able to build on his previous performances in a stronger pool? Either way, just 3k for Laurel on paper is a solid purchase. I'm happy to see Laurel in the pool again and looking forward to his games.

7. crucify - Sharks
crucify most recently had a great classic run, beating both ABR and SoulWind in playoffs with DPP wins against both, while losing to M Dragon in semis, including a DPP game. There's not really much to work off of as he doesn't really play the tier outside of classic. While I'm a bit disappointed to not see elodin in DPP after his strong year in the tier, crucify is definitely not a bad alternative. He brings original builds that honestly have looked pretty decent, which isn't something I say lightly because I'm often critical of teambuilding. Regardless, I'm excited for his games. Can't really rank him higher due to lack of experience and accolades in the tier compared to those above him, but make no mistake: crucify is a threat who can easily outperform this ranking.

8. Lady Bug - Cryonicles
A DPP legend known for winning SPL, an iconic hail stall over a decade ago, and some very solid sheetery across several years. It's been a really long time since we've seen Lady Bug play the tier or in SPL in general, so it's very exciting to see him back. I remember thinking he was worth drafting last year, but it didn't happen. Honestly, I imagine it'll be a bit of a learning curve again for him to get back into shape based on what I've seen, but of course I could be very wrong about that. Ranking him here feels kind of wrong, but the pool is really good and it's just been a while. Not much else to say other than I hope he does well and it's always nice to see older players return, especially ones who are known for creative teambuilding.

9. Groudon - Classiest
Someone's gotta be last I guess. Groudon is a solid DPP player. He hasn't really made any huge waves but always places well/decently in circuit tournaments (including DPP cup). This is more of a testament to the pool's strength. I will say I think he uses pretty decent teams, generally, and I could see him having builder advantages over others in the pool. I assume, however, that Groudon will need support of some kind. That could definitely elevate him to greater heights. 5-4 or something wouldn't surprise me much. Gonna bet 4-5 is most likely, which is definitely serviceable for a bottom ranked player in the pool and a 3k purchase. But as it stands, he's the underdog this season to me.

Despite these rankings, my impression is like, most players will probably just trade games off each other, with a couple at the top farming. That is to say that I'd be surprised to see most of these players flop, but I guess someone has to, right? I'm sad that twash, Lazuli, and TyCarter, among others, didn't get a chance this year. I had my eyes on all of those guys if I ended up opting for a cheaper DPP player. I'm looking forward to this season very much, though. There's been a lot of vitriol surrounding DPP that is unwarranted, but it's reassuring to see such a strong turnout to SPL DPP, which shows that this tier is a lot better than what some people make it out to be; albeit there's a lot of ignorance surrounding DPP hatred. Let's have a good tour guys; gl and I hope everyone gets what they want out of SPL :heart:
 
Twash didn't get drafted and neither did Tycarter. Sigh.

Anyways, This is Laurels Year; If not Laurel then Pkel. Dridri has a chance too!!!!

1. Laurel
2. Pkel
3. Dridri
4. That void guy.
5. Crucify
6. Makelith
7. BKC
8. Lady Bug
9.Groudon
10. We Three Kings.
 
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Trying to put some life in this thread, i'll try to give my (dis)honest predictions,

void vs lady bug: i love both players style, i love bug's name, i love to see an old player coming back, i feel like he had fun those last time i saw him playing, so i believe he'll be motivated, and we saw it with tyson vs jake paul, old guys can't be stopped.

crucify vs BKC: never heard of crucify, (not to say that u're bad, it's just me that barely follow stuff) but yeah, tyrants didn't pick me back, so i'm gonna have zero bias, and say bkc is gonna get crucified

Laurel vs pkelsweeturnameis2long: i randomely found, looking for an old replay that i eliminated laurel in a gsc seasonel round 4 (losers bracket) in what was i think my first or secound tournament, i immediately lost all my respect for him...
the seasonal

groudon vs malekith: i stole so many of your teams from your replays... i owe you that.
Groudon i heard so many great things about you... why have i never watched any of your replays.

Dridri457 vs we three kings: that dridri guy manages to be a noob and a boomer at the same time, it's impressive and worrying...
 
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following dridri's idea i'm just spitting some predictions

Void vs Lady Bug: i'll always bold void until he loses one game.

Crucify vs BKC: I've seen crucify run at classic and i really liked the big balls specs blizzard turn 1 on zapdos, i think he'll win.

Laurel vs Pkel: i think pkel is the strongest in the pool but in this game the strongest doesn't always win.

Groudon vs Malekith: i'll bold malekith because i remember playing him on 2011/2012 and then i played him this summer in one of the first series after my comeback, moreover i don't know anything about groudon.

Dridri457 vs We Three Kings: i think i played vs both couple of times. Not much to say, i think dridri can win this but it will be close.
 
Hello folks, I covered the match between Crucify and BKC on my channel if you all want to check that out.

I'll be uploading the live recording of Malekith vs Groudon later tonight and the other matches of week 1 will follow shortly these next few days.

I will be covering every SPL DPP match whether it's live or post-commentary throughout the season and likely will experiment with the format a bunch during these first couple videos.

Edit: Here is the live recording of the Malekith vs Groudon match

Edit Jan 20th: Commentary on the match between Void and Lady Bug for Week 1

Edit Jan 21st: Video for Laurel vs Pkel of Week 1

Edit Jan 22nd: Live Recording for Dridri vs We Three Kings Week 1
 
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Hi I wanted to do a review of the teams we saw this week. I’ll try do this if I get time every week. Full disclaimer that I mean no harm, just find teambuilding in Dpp to be very enjoyable and it’s really hard to get right. I also am only going off replays so there could be a tech in here that makes some of what I say moot. I won’t be commenting on ingame play during this, but as a general statement I thought the best ingame play this week either went to Ladybug or Groudon (pkel, laurel, malekith, w3k, and bkc all played fantastic games too imo), both of them played great offensive games.

Void vs Ladybug:
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen4ou-814972

Void: :Hippowdon: :Latias: :Clefable: :gliscor: :Jirachi: :magneton:

Ladybug: :Starmie: :tyranitar: :Breloom: :heatran: :celebi: :magneton:

Void went with a very well known stall team. This double ground scarf mag stall (typically has either rachi or hippo lead) has been around since at least 2019, but he really went for that version as he had the classic tox reflect lati version and the fire fang glisc to take in bulky sciz (makes sense w scarf magneton, it can’t use hp fire bc then it speed ties with ada Gyara and that’s very bad). There’s not a ton to say here: Void really farmed last year with innovative balances and stalls (although tbh, I preferred the version he used last year w swampert > hippo and sub sd gliscor) and no surprise to see him bust it out here again, esp with an opponent you have no info on.

Ladybug: I enjoyed ladybug’s take on TranLoom special offense. This team goes all in on taking down stall/balance (excellent pick into Void’s scout from last year). There are some crazy picks on this team that are huge risks if Void brought some offense. The STABless Nasty Plot Celebi, Band Tar, Rocks Tran, and I’m assuming offensive Loom makes this look very scary against Gyarados, even with scarf magneton in the back. Wow + Boom Tran helps with this, but I could also see some kind of SubTran (and status in general) be very annoying. However, specs Starmie and scarf magneton help out a lot here and giving you some life against offense, as they’re typically difficult to switch into for hyper offense. Overall, I really liked the team. Cool take on tran loom + tar.

BKC vs Crucify
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen4ou-814402

BKC: :Infernape: :tyranitar: :Latias: :Breloom: :kingdra: :Metagross:

Crucify: :Zapdos: :Breloom: :Jirachi: :quagsire: :heatran: :starmie:

BKC: bkc returns with a cool take on Double Fight offense using his patented Tyranitar offenses. This team really relies on the unexpected with a Wow taunt ape lead, a kinda half rain with Lum rain lati + specs Kingdra (something I love), and then band tar on an other wise very offensive backing team w (I believe his patented full spdef Meta prob w custap) and loom. Again, I worry this struggles against Gyara if ape can’t get up and assuming lati isn’t that bulky (it prob is, I like the twave). But this team has a ton of offense w double fight, cb tar, and the very cool moveset choices. I’m assuming the tar is prob pretty fast if Meta is spdef, but I could also see shuca + Tpunch bc you don’t have a scarfer and need back up against dragon dancers.

Crucify: I’m gonna be straight up, I didn’t like this team at all. I know crucify or the people working w him can build: we all saw his specs blizzard starmie in classic playoffs against abr. But taking perhaps the most well known team of the last year (rachi, loom, scarf tran, cb tar, starmie, Zapdos) and replacing perhaps the most important member with quagsire is a choice. I get it, quag helps a lot w what that team struggles w defensively (water absorb, helps handle Meta/other physical threats). But I think I’d prob replace heatran if I was gonna put Quag on that team. You really really need tar to survive against defensive teams, otherwise even w the loomtran you just don’t have the breaking power. I also think the scarf rocks rachi innovation is the play on this team too, gives you counterplay to stall/balance w trick and lets you use more aggro heatran sets. I am excited to see more teams from crucify!

Pkelsweetforu vs laurel
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen4ou-814585

Pkel: :azelf: :Latias: :Scizor: :omastar: :rotom-Wash: :kingdra:

Laurel: :Gyarados: :blissey: :forretress: :Latias: :Hippowdon: :gliscor:

Pkel: I thought pkel’s team was insane. This is a very cool take on rain, a play style that was largely dead last year. Double specs waters backed by cb sciz pursuit and the classics of any special offense: rotom-a and Latias. Omastar is an extremely rare choice on rain bc it’s slow and frail, but it makes sense here as it’s the swift swimmer w the highest special attack and you’re just trying to blast through water resists here. This team very much lives on the edge (you have solo steel type cb sciz) and Jon (pkel’s name) prob wins this game against prob the hardest rain cteam I’ve perhaps ever seen if he hits his pumps and glis doesn’t crit the Kingdra. Thunder lati and supporter rotom-a make sense here. Not a lot to say, just a very cool team

Laurel: I loved this choice from laurel. Bringing back a Kevin Garrett stall lite team against someone like pkel was a great choice, as his teams, as cool as they are, typically don’t punish blissey like modern dpp teams do. He came w all the stops: lead phys def gyara to disguise the team and generally annoy the crap out of offense. Fire blast bliss. Cm fire lati (innovation from the standard version of this team w clef > bliss and rachi > glis). Gliscor for all the lucario pkel has been using. I love this choice (although I prob would not be using it any time soon against ladder/any old opponent haha).

Dridri457 vs we three kings
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen4ou-815154

Dridri457: :starmie: :Bronzong: :tyranitar: :Breloom: :rotom-heat: :Gyarados:

Wtk: :Bronzong: :Skarmory: :milotic: :nidoqueen: :Clefable: :Latias:

Dridri: wasn’t a huge fan of this team. I just don’t think it breaks stall? You got some cool choices here: the lo star lead is a throwback, seems like a classic Tyranitar offense w double waters. But the moveset choices were not quite it. Zong is nice bc it allows you to afford tar + loom + gyara, but you really need pursuit on this tar to bring it all together. I also think it prob should be scarf lati > scarf rotom too. Bringing this into an excal led dpp team feels like the most obvious chance to face stall and dridri tried his best, but just couldn’t break it. Dridri has some great team building in him, excited for the future teams!

Wtk: I could have told you once wtk signed up for spl and excal picked him up we were going to see a healthy dose of stall, and here it is: a double fat steel + nidomilo tspikes stall. A lot to like here though. I think this style of stall is an excellent choice in this metagame infested w cb tar balances. Void/osgoode really innovated this last year w nido / milo / clef / zong / steel / x kind of stalls last year and I think this is a great even more defensive take on it.

Groudon vs malekith
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen4ou-814694

Groudon:

:Skarmory: :Scizor: :heatran: :Infernape: :rotom-heat: :Latias:

Malekith: :Zapdos: :heatran: :Tyranitar: :Breloom: :Latias: :jirachi:

Groudon: Groudon comes w a classic, the double fire spikes offense w some creative choices like lo full spa mixape. Not much to say here as this team was innovated 2 years ago? but it’s a great team and he played it very well. General structure of these special offenses is lead / steel /heatran / x / scarf rotom-a / specs latias and it puts so much pressure against balances and offenses alike w the entry hazards and double fires. Love the team choice

Malekith: I also like malekith’s team too. An inspired take on the old spinless zap tranloom offense (we saw this a lot in the last year bc pideous included a double fight take on it in his jdi teamdump) that’s based around sub roost zap w the cb tar, I’m assuming occa rachi?, and general offensive team structure. Love the idea. Seems a tad weak to status and can be pressured by rocks (I had a take on this style (obv no sub roost) zap / loom / tran / dd tar / scarf Meta / specs lati) but a very solid offense. Like the team choice and I’m excited for more cool team choices from malekith.

Wow this a while to type out. Hopefully I’ll be able to do this in coming weeks. Love dpp!
 
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Here we go again for w2! Again, I mean no harm, just love good teambuilding in Dpp.

Crucify vs Malekith:

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen4ou-816563

Crucify:

:swampert: :heatran: :Roserade: :gengar: :Jirachi: :unown:

Malekith:

:jirachi: :Togekiss: :Latias: :Clefable: :registeel: :donphan:

I like crucify’s team, a throwback to the rose spikes that dominated the scene in 2022 (and m drag destroyed everyone w last year) w some choices meant for the new metagame. I personally think all pert sets should be able to deal w gyara somehow, so I like fat phys def roar pert here. Crucify had some cool choices here specifically for the stall mu — bringing back sub trick gar, a favorite of mine, and the assuming sub ih Thunder rachi w tspikes backing makes this an excellent choice in this balance metagame. Prob Sub (tect, could see boom for rachi as you don’t have pursuit backing to optimize it unless the last is tar/sciz and those are unlikely) lefties tran and some kind of scarfer in the back, prob Latias. These teams fell out of fashion bc they sometimes struggled badly into hyper offense and stall, but it’s excellent into other paraspam balances now, love this choice from crucify

Malekith came back w a classic, this team I first saw osgoode use in 2023 during callous crew challenge and is prob the best way to make Togekiss work (and if I wasn’t lazy and still had access to discord I’d get the replay). His version was this: :jirachi: :Togekiss: :registeel: :Clefable: :gliscor: :starmie: . The Togekiss is bold max defense, but can’t handle Breloom really well, so you need it backed up by gliscor/zapdos and in this case, Latias. replacing star/glis w donphan/lati is interesting, it gives you a better all around defensive poke in lati and a more versatile spinner (in that I’m assuming this is odor sleuth rest to spin on rotom) for a worse rapid spinner overall, a worse gengar mu and way less speed, and dropping gliscor means you really need to rely on Togekiss to break stall, something it can struggle to do at times. I really think this team wants scarf rachi over the fat rachi malekith had — gives you some speed control, you already have the fat steel w registeel, and who knows, i think rachi needs fire punch on this team for Luke/sciz but if you have rocks on rachi maybe you can get creative w regi w options like counter or boom. I’m being too harsh here, I’ve always liked this team and it just didn’t work out (this team badly struggles w pert lati prob needs gk/tox, tspikes puts so much pressure on donphan that already really needs to spin, sub trick gar is brutal for these teams, and gar crit the Togekiss trying to check it).

Wtk vs void

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen4ou-816169

Wtk: :smeargle: :Dragonite: :Flygon: :Scizor: :Empoleon: :rotom-wash:

Void: :suicune: :gengar: :Jirachi: :Heatran: :Latias: :Breloom:

Wtk brought a wild smeargle offense here, this seems really similar to the one oipon brought in 2023 against dbc? Double mixed dragons + sub agility empo backed by spikes? This is awesome. I think this was hard for wtk bc he really relies on a) offensive pressure and b) Empoleon to deal w rachi and you saw the conundrum he was put in in game, where rachi ko’ed the sciz for free bc he can’t really switch into rachi w/o putting his wincon at risk for para. I don’t really know how to fix this other than maybe a suit scarf? Meta > sciz? That’s really hard to justify here too. Oipon focused on Lum rachi + cune which made opposing rachi a bit easier, but you’re starved for team slots here to afford mixgon + mixnite + Ghost + sciz (uturn/pursuit support prevent spinning and bail smear out of bad mus). Overall a cool team

Void went w a French special offense here, typically of the form of Cune lead, loom / tran / ghost (knowing French it’s gonna be gar) / scarfer (lati or Flygon) / steel. These teams are great — you put a ton of pressure on defensive lati specifically and stall in general w this and physically based hyper offense struggles to handle all of the threats you have. These teams can sometimes be a bit too slow and struggle if they sequence incorrectly against powerful boosted threats or a well played stall, but overall an excellent team. We don’t really know a lot of what void had beyond the guts of the team, but I like what I saw. Rachi is nice here, gives you some security w tran not having to eat specs meteors and spreading paralysis even if it had fallen out of fashion on these teams (typically you see a Meta here). Passho tran was a great choice, I assume it was his rocker cause rachi didn’t get up. Cool team and great choice this week.

Pkel vs dridri
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen4ou-815869

Pkel: :heatran: :celebi: :Lucario: :starmie: :Flygon: :rotom-wash:

Dridri: :Skarmory: :kingdra: :Magnezone: :rotom-wash: :Tyranitar: :Scizor:

Pkel: this is a lot more in line w what Pkel was bringing throughout last year: lead (normally tran somewhere else but it’s leading this time) / Lucario / band flygon / scarf rotom / specs star or lati / x . This is classic special offense w a twist. I like celebi (although I think plot celebi needs lefties, too weak to residual otherwise) as the filler here, esp w specs star, as you fortify yourself against waters offensively sometimes special offense can struggle w. Overall, I like it — you give yourself plenty of chances to get Luke and sd and win. Personally, my favorite version of this style of team pkel brought was this: trick flame uxie / sd luke / sub darkpulse tran / sd sciz / scarf rotom / specs lati.

Dridri: I don’t know what to make of this team from Dridri but I like it. Triple steel w offensive skarm ib (I’m surprised it wasn’t signal beam) kingdra I’m assuming dd tar, and lefties roost sciz? If you’re going w sciz here, Kingdra is a cool unorthodox choice on this team to handle waters and wall break for the sciz/ddtar. Lefties roost sd sciz is definitely a choice here — typically would see a more offensive sciz set and I’m not sure you clear the way well enough for it, but it’s an inspired choice here. He also must have some bulk on the rotom as it lived a banded outrage from Flygon. These skarm offenses can afford some cool structures so I like what I see here. I also think the scarf Magnezone over the more recent scarf magneton is the right choice here — you need to be able to beat Jirachi here, especially w a Scizor and scarf mag gives you the best shot to do so.

Bkc vs laurel

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen4ou-816172

Bkc: :tyranitar: :Skarmory: :Jirachi: :Clefable: :rotom-heat: :Latias:

Laurel: :suicune: :Breloom: :Jirachi: :Flygon: :heatran: :Tyranitar:

Sigh, this game frustrates me. This was a very entertaining game that featured some excellent end game maneuvering from
BKC to take advantage of the bad luck laurel got w his flygon (although his gon crit rachi early in the game to avoid a likely para). However, I think both players made choices in the builder that should have allowed the other player to win. Let’s get into it.

Bkc: bkc came w a classic, big 5 + subsplit rotom. These types of teams were hugely popular early in the new lati era til about 2023 when their flaws started getting taken advantage of more widely. Now I am not going to get up in arms about using standard teams (down to rotom and clef sets too, I’ve seen a lot of subsplit rotom on the ladder w this and wish tect clef is great even outside of tspikes based stuff), you try to win in whatever way you can and I def used stuff like this when I played. Void used an old double ground mag stall last week and I think that team is still excellent. However, I think this team should stay in 2023 where it belongs. I think it tries to do too much — it is so weak to lati getting pursuit trapped or generally getting run over by modern offenses, specifically a well played dd tar (we’ll get to him in a bit), esp if you drop the ground for rotom. It requires some exquisite maneuvering to survive against a lot of modern offenses and isn’t that great into the common balances we see today, but gives you tools in a lot of match ups. I think this team style is best w nidoqueen — I really liked m drags take on it last year (star + zap over rotom and lati) and of course bkc innovated the original that had nido > lati.

Laurel: like void, laurel showed up w a Cune lead tranloom special offense but also included dd tar on it over the ghost. I think laurel really took advantage of machamp ban to bring this, as he doesn’t have a fighting resist and relies on fast offensive pressure to handle Breloom (I’m assuming tar is chople and rachi is Lum). I really liked laurel’s team until he revealed ice punch on his dd tar. To me, having a dd tar walled by Skarm is awful — I think you can only afford ice punch on dd tar if you have a mag or use stone edge > crunch. I think dd tar really needs one of fire punch, stone edge, or taunt, bc the whole point is to be able to break through defensive checks, and skarm is a big one. Even though defensive skarm is a bit less popular today than it was a few years ago, I think ice punch > fire punch is too greedy, and you saw it here (sorry for the armchair) as if it was fire punch laurel wins the mu pretty easily bc he woulda ko’ed the skarm and I think he has enough pressure on grounds (and esp gliscor). I also prob would go lati > Flygon so I’m not so raw into Infernape/fighting types in general, but I get it here, as you like the ground for the cune lead and having another physically attacker for a special offense like this.

Groudon vs ladybug:

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen4ou-816338

Groudon: :starmie: :gliscor: :heatran: :Tyranitar: :Gyarados: :Metagross:

Ladybug: :raikou: :Bronzong: :suicune: :rotom-heat: :flygon: :unown:

Groudon shows up w a cool take on a Tyranitar special offense, basing it around specs starmie and Gyarados. This feels very similar to the team dridri brought last week, but even more offensive w the (prob) sd gliscor, scarf meta, and prob suit tar. I like this physically based ho a lot from groudon. There’s not a ton to say here — I think I first saw this trick Meta + suit tar + gliscor ho combo from kristyl two years ago and this is a cool take on it w a water spam concept.

Ladybug brought an interesting offense based around electric types? Id imagine the last is like a Breloom, bc this team really struggles against both stall and status and having loom come into defensive grounds (Kou leads worst nightmare is spdef hippo) seems like a good idea. There’s some stuff to like here, but I’m not sure I see the vision to how it all fits together? Id prob want some kind of tran to help open up the special attackers, but zong is pretty cool here too? I think Cune being sub is to help w more defensive teams, but idk if it’s well supported? There’s a lot of sauce here, unfortunate it ended in a time out. Excited to see his teams from here on out!

Hope to see an excellent w3!
 
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Hello folks, I'll use this post as a Week 2 video playlist of all the games that happened and will be uploaded. I was only able to get one live commentary done this week unfortunately but I hope to get more for week 3

Dridri vs PkeL SweeTforU

Void vs We Three Kings (LIVE)

Groudon vs Lady Bug

BKC vs Laurel

Malekith vs Crucify
 
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There has been a lot of good-ass DPP gaming in the past 3 weeks, where people have decided to bring lesser common ones such as Specs Kingdra and Scarf Lucario, at each respective week. There has also been a bit of a Scarf Ttar lead resurge as a side effect of Machamp's ban, although CB remains the king set as Zapmie teams have been ever so since the Void's domination on 2024 SPL where he had a strong usage of that archetype. Although there weren't many Zapmie teams in the first two weeks as people took into account vs. that, and those who picked it up got punished badly by it. But in week 3, 4 teams brought Zapmie structures, and that isn't stopping soon. SPL is at the mid-season period atm, and that's when people typically tend to bring bulkier and more defensive variants type of structure, such as Clef teams or Double Steel balance/offense-ish. I don't mind it since slow-paced DPP tends to be very intensive and things don't feel like a stalemate. But some peoplefrenches kinda pull out their pillow and sleep through that type of game bc ngl, there are still some of those repetitive turns that either make you sleep or pissed off bc DPP RNG can be brutally tilting to watch lol.

Regardless, I find this year's SPL to be a big step up from last year by the competition alone. There's a good amount of varieties of modern players and old-school players in the same pool, like 50/50 each? Every week always has 2-3 interesting matchups, and I love it gives me more reason to watch DPP, even if the bo1 tends to turn me off. I do miss Pideous from last year, but then again the same applies to Student of Sinnoh, Kristyl, Oipon, and Le Don. Funny enough about that, despite the DPP playerbase being notoriously for having tons of French players, Dridri and SFG are the only signed-up French players I know of, and SFG is stuck behind in the bench, saddened the extreme lack of Azelf leads. Just a thought I realized while writing this.

With all that "recap" paragraph away, I can finally start with the prediction as this post was intended to be. I'm not sure if I want to continue after this since I tend to hold my standards align with my own knowledge/skill in the tier. Nothing to do with people getting offended, but sometimes you want to speak things that make sense, and I tend to overdo my reasonings IMO. But yeah, I wanted to do this one since it's a very interesting week. Expect it to be lengthy as that's my theme of prediction.


[TYR] BKC vs Void [WOL]
[SCO] Pkel SweeTforU vs Lady Bug [CRY]
[BIG] We Three Kings vs Groudon [CLA]
[TIG] Christos vs Dridri457 [RUI]
[SHA] Elodin vs Laurel [RAI]


[TYR] BKC vs Void [WOL]
This is a peak boomer matchup that I didn't think of, but never have I ever wanted to see this as both of them are like pre-2010 players. There are some sort of themes I made out of both of them from this SPL and some past replays. BKC is the type of player that uses its knowledge to innovate less used/older stuff, as Johnny mentioned, as a way to punish the opponent in and out of the game. Void tends to be the player that screams solidness, often bringing things that end up feeling like a staple to an archetype or a team everyone can use due to its consistent game plan, flowchart synergy, insane flexibility, etc. He is more of a showcase to optimize the standard things everyone knows.

I'm betting on Void because of how his teams interact with BKC ones. Void teams have a bit of an RNG aspect whenever he's leaning towards bulkier/slow-paced teams, he is more likely to use such as paras and restrictive positions, and you do not want to give Void those opportunities. That kinda screws up BKC's because his team kinda wants everything to be on point while Void can play to just disrupt that type of gameplan. BKC getting a bad/unlucky turn is a huge deal in the long term, while one good/lucky turn for Void will put him in a strong spot where I can imagine it being hard for BKC to come back is basically what I am saying in a nutshell. Both of them are close in skills, but how I imagined the match would be, a clear winner is coming out of this. Can see BKC Wincon through with a secured endgame, but I can also see Void trying to avoid the kill-for-kill trades and trying to push smth like sub-setup positions to restrict BKC's movement.

Void Teams kinda reminds me a bit of Osgoode-ish the more I think about it. Strong ass flowchart, but puts you in really annoying ass positions and oppressive wincons. Just has a little less focus on innovation hm...


[SCO] Pkel SweeTforU vs Lady Bug [CRY]
Not gonna lie... This is a wild card of a matchup. Not sure how Pkel's anti-meta playstyle would work against an ancient who just came back to play modern DPP after a decade, and vice versa with how Lady Bug will prepare against Pkel because he's not a player you can prepare against in a typical fashion. You can kind of think of him as similar to Twash if you want to compare him in the most old-school way, but even then, Pkel is vastly different from how Twash thinks and it's just easier to say Pkel can't be prepped normally. This match can be peak entertainment with what both of them have been bringing, for better or worse lmfao. I'm leaning toward Lady Bug a bit more, though, considering Lady Bug can bring more standard types of teams, and I expect him to bring something anti-offense vs Pkel. Otherwise, I've no idea who's winning here, but I am bringing some damn snacks in this match for sure.


[BIG] We Three Kings vs Groudon [CLA]
I've been liking A LOT of the stuff both of these players have been bringing. WTK has been bringing different structures to spice up the archetypes, which is very typical for Excal type of teams, while Groudon has been creative with the offensive structures which feels like a strong prep response to the meta + player, making it trickier to prepare against. Not gonna lie, it's insane how Groudon has not brought a single rachi(yet...) as something to point out. But with that said, I have a feeling WTK will win here mainly because I think they'll get the MU locked down, but if not, then I can see them winning by survivability alone unless Groudon gets the momentum and forces WTK to trade or Sacc kills, which isn't ideal for defensive teams Excal tends to builds as they need every member to keep the longevity.

Not even completely sure what both of them would bring in this week. At best, I can assume Forretress or some sort of spinning that is good against offense, or trick lures type of teams to cripple some of WTK's team. Idk honestly, both of them are hard to pinpoint on what they can bring lol.


[TIG] Christos vs Dridri457 [RUI]
Imma be real here Christos is so gonna outlame the hell out of Dridri because what Dridri has been bringing just lacks longevity or is vulnerable vs. stall teams, and Christos is that player who loves to play the long games. Arguably, it's a counter to Dridri's playstyle perhaps...? Well, I'm thinking too hard about that one, but Dridri has shown to be very tricky with his arsenal, so I can see him throwing off guard Christos, and it snowballs from there. Otherwise who gets those mid-turns right wins the whole match as I see it.


[SHA] Elodin vs Laurel [RAI]
I don't know enough of Elodin as a DPP player. I even confused him with Eden for a second whoops. There's not much point in going in-depth here since I don't really want to scroll down his replays if he is going to appear only one time. If Elodin is the type of player who rarely makes mistakes and makes some nice plays, he'll more than likely take the win. But if Laurel is playing better than he has done compared to previous weeks, he's snagging this game. Hope it will be a close and fun one tho...
 
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Void vs Pkel

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen4ou-817150

Void: :Zapdos: :suicune: :Flygon: :Tyranitar: :heatran: :unown:

Pkel: :forretress: :Flygon: :starmie: :rotom-heat: :Lucario: :kingdra:

Void brought an interesting kind of old school offense built around offensive Zapdos. I think this esp at lead Zapdos was a great choice against pkel, as it’s an absolute terror against offense, esp if pkel didn’t bring a ground type (he brings a lot of band flygon, but it only takes one hp ice prediction (or win a speed tie) and then the rest of the team gets brutalized by its coverage and speed and so far I’ve never seen pkel bring something remotely close to stall). These teams are typically spinless and were used a lot before Latias’s reintroduction into the tier. This style of team can really use a lot of lasts, but it prob something that do well against stall, id guess prob a Breloom, maybe a metagross? Could be a gar? I love this bring, lots of great anti-offense choices like the off cune, scarf gon, has suit tar for pkel love of scarf rotom, passho tran (good mon in general) for his love of offwaters. Just a great choice.

Pkel: I think this team a bit more shaky. Pkel has bringing this style of team a lot (lead / band flygon / lucario / scarf rotom / offensive core (double water here)) and I think players are really taking advantage of it. Offensive Forre lead is really old school, but these days I think is hard to justify, as you have to run from anything that can remotely carry a fire move (unless it’s sash? But it’s lefties), and these teams really need to keep momentum. The offense is def here: spikes + double water (rain dd kingdra too, a forgotten classic) luke, band flygon. But this approach can run into problems against opposing bulky offense (I mean I get why he brought it, if void brought a balance/stall pkel prob wins). I hope he doesn’t get subbed out, bc I think he brings a very cool approach to the tier, but yeah, this would have been a very hard game to win.

Christos vs Laurel

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen4ou-817183

Christos: :Bronzong: :nidoqueen: :milotic: :Clefable: :Latias: :Magnezone:

Laurel: :Zapdos: :Jirachi: :starmie: :rhyperior: :tyranitar: :Heracross:

Christos: shout out to my man christos, I didn’t think malekith was doing that poorly, but hey he knows as much as anyone the bar is high in spl, I went 0-3 and eventually turned it around to start my only spl shits hard. Excited to see christos here, always underrated in the tier, solid fundamentals, and an excellent player. Anyway, I really like this team. It’s a classic with a twist. Mag + cm clef has been around really since dug’s ban and this is an even more defensive take on it. The main star here imo is the toxic milotic over the more standard roost choice scarf flygon who tries absorb clef’s knock off and generally be a good reliable revenge killer w the mag. What I like about tox milo is these teams have awkward mus into special water/fire attackers, trying to dance phys def cm clef + lati and have the propensity to really struggle w heatran. Milo typically uses haze, as it’s the primary answer to bulky sd sciz and gyara, but w hp fire scarf mag, cm clef, and it’s own toxic, he doesn’t really need that and can afford to do like he did ingame and surprise stuff like zap w toxic. Milo has a lot of cool options to explore. Not much else to say here, a classic and great team w a twist.

Laurel: I am a fan if laurel took one of his two saucy options here, but idk about both. I think rhyperior will prob take up the mantle for Machamp on para based offenses: it hits absurdly hard, it checks a bunch of random things, and really loves para. Hera is much more rarely seen, but is also an excellent choice on para based teams imo. I played around w it a couple of years ago: it’s a status pivot pursuit user that hits like a monster. However, I don’t really think they work well together: I think it really can struggle to pressure waters and you have to make unoptimal concessions like rocks fire punch rachi when you’d really rather be scarf or defensive to hold the team together. I think there gold in here somewhere w the tar + rhyperior or the paraspam + Hera.

Dridri vs Bkc:

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen4ou-817002

Dridri: :tyranitar: :Skarmory: :milotic: :Latias: :gengar: :Lucario:

Bkc: :jirachi: :Breloom: :Zapdos: :Tyranitar: :lucario: :unown:

Dridri: yeah idk about this one. I think the closest equivalent to this team is that old pdc build that led cb ape (ape / double hazard skarm / scarf tar / Lucario / gengar / quagsire). Dridri went with another spikes offense build but w milo this time as kind of a catch all defensive mon w a cm lati + gar + spikes offensive core. I used to build a lot of these types of teams when I first started playing tours on smogon in Dpp, and I just found milo struggles to do its job on these kinds of teams. Theoretically, it’s perfect: a utility check w recover, perfect bulky offense mon. In reality, I often found it got worn down very quickly and opened up holes in my defensive core, something I couldn’t cover w the offense I had. I think something very similar happens w this team: bkc wrested the momentum w sub zap, and never relinquished it once he cleaned up w the (scarf messed this up) luke. I think you almost have to just go all in w these spikes teams w just enough defensive utility to survive (I’m thinking like the specs lati / skarm / dd tar / pert / gar / mag) spikes offense).

BKC comes w another classic, one of the many cb tar balances w saw this week, this time w (realized in hindsight and Dridri comment that it’s actually scarf) Lucario. This is a great team that I believe he’s brought before? I like all the little techs in here: choice scarf rachi to get up immediately, sub zap, focus loom to help break open for his assuming bp lucario. There’s not much to say here: this style is prob one of the most common of the last year and can really use anything in the luke spot (the standard was scarf tran last year w almost certainly star last, but pert, celebi, gyara, etc etc saw plenty of use there too over the years.) excited for more great bkc teams!

Groudon vs crucify:

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen4ou-817369

Groudon: :kingdra: :heatran: :Metagross: :Latias: :gengar: :Tyranitar:

Crucify: :jirachi: :Latias: :tyranitar: :donphan: :rotom-heat: :kingdra:

Groudon: groudon comes w a pretty interesting special offense featuring a choice specs kingdra lead. Shout out to coco, he was always on the Kingdra lead. I think this team is good! Weve seen a lot of these choice scarf Meta special offenses of the form water lead (most often Cune) / heatran / meta / lati / ghost / x. I don’t know if I love ddtar here, as this looks like absolute food for agility Meta/empo and I’ve more often seen like flygon or Breloom as the last, but I think this works pretty well. wow tran is another one im not hugely high on, as it means you’re dangerously weak to heatran if your own tran can’t touch it or you have rocks on scarf meta. Overall though, I like the team choice, just a solid special offense based around double (specs) dragons

Crucify: crucify’s team is a little out there, also based around specs Kingdra + offensive lati (prob that same set up bkc in w1 had w the Lum rain lati?) but w some interesting choices for a team like this like the donphan rocker + cb tar + scarf rachi, something more common on balanced builds. It’s like he mashed a special offense w the lati Kingdra rotom w cb tar balance. I feel like this team is teetering on the edge, as you have a good defensive core to withstand one loss of momentum from donphan - I’m assuming Lum lati for loom, you have scarf rotom as a backstop, Kingdra can live most hits from like a Gyara, but don’t quite have a good defensive core to withstand donphan or Cb tar being forced out more than once, meaning you need to play this pretty aggressively, which crucify did here. Also on the surface this looks pretty dire into specs dragons, mixed Flygon, or Gengar, but it beat the dragons and gar pretty comfortably. Idk I feel like this team wants a heatran, but Donphan as your dd tar check and rocker worked pretty well here.

Ladybug vs We three kings:

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen4ou-817586

Ladybug: :Jirachi: :Zapdos: :starmie: :Breloom: :tyranitar: :lucario:

Wtk: :Zapdos: :Jirachi: :celebi: :Tyranitar: :Flygon: :Starmie:

Ladybug brought an interesting twist on this balance (an identical 6 to bkc prob) by making Breloom the sd user and giving Luke a scarf. It’s very interesting, as swampert is horrible bc loom is sd facade unless you have zap w hp grass, which it doesn’t really like to have in Dpp bc you like zap to be able to handle Dragonite/glis in a pinch. Idk how I feel about scarf luke here, I feel like you need another breaker to help out the rachi? But at the same time, this really does well Into ho w the insta rocks rachi, the phys def zap, and scarf luke that I think you can afford it. Gengar requires some exquisite maneuvering here, as does Empoleon, but that’s par for the course for teams like these. Very cool take on cb tar balance.

Wtk’s take is a bit more shaky, even if it’s the same guts of the cb tar balance . Zap used to be a common lead on these teams, but taking a scarf t1 just makes this a total L, even w celebi (I find on these teams even if celebi beats loom, it still gives you problems), to the point I think you should prob just lead rachi. I’m not sure how I feel like about scarf gon here, he looks a little out of place w a defensive zap and celebi to check sweepers, but I think it makes sense into the heavy offense ladybug has brought so far. Swampert is the most common last here instead of the Flygon. This team really really leans on the cb tar against stall, but against ladybug I think it was an excellent choice, just think in today’s metagame, leading rachi was a better choice.
 
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Void vs Pkel

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen4ou-817150

Void: :Zapdos: :suicune: :Flygon: :Tyranitar: :heatran: :unown:

Pkel: :forretress: :Flygon: :starmie: :rotom-heat: :Lucario: :kingdra:

Void brought an interesting kind of old school offense built around offensive Zapdos. I think this esp at lead Zapdos was a great choice against pkel, as it’s an absolute terror against offense, esp if pkel didn’t bring a ground type (he brings a lot of band flygon, but it only takes one hp ice prediction (or win a speed tie) and then the rest of the team gets brutalized by its coverage and speed and so far I’ve never seen pkel bring something remotely close to stall). These teams are typically spinless and were used a lot before Latias’s reintroduction into the tier. This style of team can really use a lot of lasts, but it prob something that do well against stall, id guess prob a Breloom, maybe a metagross? Could be a gar? I love this bring, lots of great anti-offense choices like the off cune, scarf gon, has suit tar for pkel love of scarf rotom, passho tran (good mon in general) for his love of offwaters. Just a great choice.

Pkel: I think this team a bit more shaky. Pkel has bringing this style of team a lot (lead / band flygon / lucario / scarf rotom / offensive core (double water here)) and I think players are really taking advantage of it. Offensive Forre lead is really old school, but these days I think is hard to justify, as you have to run from anything that can remotely carry a fire move (unless it’s sash? But it’s lefties), and these teams really need to keep momentum. The offense is def here: spikes + double water (rain dd kingdra too, a forgotten classic) luke, band flygon. But this approach can run into problems against opposing bulky offense (I mean I get why he brought it, if void brought a balance/stall pkel prob wins). I hope he doesn’t get subbed out, bc I think he brings a very cool approach to the tier, but yeah, this would have been a very hard game to win.

Christos vs Laurel

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen4ou-817183

Christos: :Bronzong: :nidoqueen: :milotic: :Clefable: :Latias: :Magnezone:

Laurel: :Zapdos: :Jirachi: :starmie: :rhyperior: :tyranitar: :Heracross:

Christos: shout out to my man christos, I didn’t think malekith was doing that poorly, but hey he knows as much as anyone the bar is high in spl, I went 0-3 and eventually turned it around to start my only spl shits hard. Excited to see christos here, always underrated in the tier, solid fundamentals, and an excellent player. Anyway, I really like this team. It’s a classic with a twist. Mag + cm clef has been around really since dug’s ban and this is an even more defensive take on it. The main star here imo is the toxic milotic over the more standard roost choice scarf flygon who tries absorb clef’s knock off and generally be a good reliable revenge killer w the mag. What I like about tox milo is these teams have awkward mus into special water/fire attackers, trying to dance phys def cm clef + lati and have the propensity to really struggle w heatran. Milo typically uses haze, as it’s the primary answer to bulky sd sciz and gyara, but w hp fire scarf mag, cm clef, and it’s own toxic, he doesn’t really need that and can afford to do like he did ingame and surprise stuff like zap w toxic. Milo has a lot of cool options to explore. Not much else to say here, a classic and great team w a twist.

Laurel: I am a fan if laurel took one of his two saucy options here, but idk about both. I think rhyperior will prob take up the mantle for Machamp on para based offenses: it hits absurdly hard, it checks a bunch of random things, and really loves para. Hera is much more rarely seen, but is also an excellent choice on para based teams imo. I played around w it a couple of years ago: it’s a status pivot pursuit user that hits like a monster. However, I don’t really think they work well together: I think it really can struggle to pressure waters and you have to make unoptimal concessions like rocks fire punch rachi when you’d really rather be scarf or defensive to hold the team together. I think there gold in here somewhere w the tar + rhyperior or the paraspam + Hera.

Dridri vs Bkc:

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen4ou-817002

Dridri: :tyranitar: :Skarmory: :milotic: :Latias: :gengar: :Lucario:

Bkc: :jirachi: :Breloom: :Zapdos: :Tyranitar: :lucario: :unown:

Dridri: yeah idk about this one. I think the closest equivalent to this team is that old pdc build that led cb ape (ape / double hazard skarm / scarf tar / Lucario / gengar / quagsire). Dridri went with another spikes offense build but w milo this time as kind of a catch all defensive mon w a cm lati + gar + spikes offensive core. I used to build a lot of these types of teams when I first started playing tours on smogon in Dpp, and I just found milo struggles to do its job on these kinds of teams. Theoretically, it’s perfect: a utility check w recover, perfect bulky offense mon. In reality, I often found it got worn down very quickly and opened up holes in my defensive core, something I couldn’t cover w the offense I had. I think something very similar happens w this team: bkc wrested the momentum w sub zap, and never relinquished it once he cleaned up w the luke. I think you almost have to just go all in w these spikes teams w just enough defensive utility to survive (I’m thinking like the specs lati / skarm / dd tar / pert / gar / mag) spikes offense).

BKC comes w another classic, one of the many cb tar balances w saw this week, this time w sd Lucario. This is a great team that I believe he’s brought before? I like all the little techs in here: choice scarf rachi to get up immediately, sub zap, focus loom to help break open for his assuming bp lucario. There’s not much to say here: this style is prob one of the most common of the last year and can really use anything in the luke spot (the standard was scarf tran last year w almost certainly star last, but pert, celebi, gyara, etc etc saw plenty of use there too over the years.) excited for more great bkc teams!

Groudon vs crucify:

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen4ou-817369

Groudon: :kingdra: :heatran: :Metagross: :Latias: :gengar: :Tyranitar:

Crucify: :jirachi: :Latias: :tyranitar: :donphan: :rotom-heat: :kingdra:

Groudon: groudon comes w a pretty interesting special offense featuring a choice specs kingdra lead. Shout out to coco, he was always on the Kingdra lead. I think this team is good! Weve seen a lot of these choice scarf Meta special offenses of the form water lead (most often Cune) / heatran / meta / lati / ghost / x. I don’t know if I love ddtar here, as this looks like absolute food for agility Meta/empo and I’ve more often seen like flygon or Breloom as the last, but I think this works pretty well. wow tran is another one im not hugely high on, as it means you’re dangerously weak to heatran if your own tran can’t touch it or you have rocks on scarf meta. Overall though, I like the team choice, just a solid special offense based around double (specs) dragons

Crucify: crucify’s team is a little out there, also based around specs Kingdra + offensive lati (prob that same set up bkc in w1 had w the Lum rain lati?) but w some interesting choices for a team like this like the donphan rocker + cb tar + scarf rachi, something more common on balanced builds. It’s like he mashed a special offense w the lati Kingdra rotom w cb tar balance. I feel like this team is teetering on the edge, as you have a good defensive core to withstand one loss of momentum from donphan - I’m assuming Lum lati for loom, you have scarf rotom as a backstop, Kingdra can live most hits from like a Gyara, but don’t quite have a good defensive core to withstand donphan or Cb tar being forced out more than once, meaning you need to play this pretty aggressively, which crucify did here. Also on the surface this looks pretty dire into specs dragons, mixed Flygon, or Gengar, but it beat the dragons and gar pretty comfortably. Idk I feel like this team wants a heatran, but Donphan as your dd tar check and rocker worked pretty well here.

Ladybug vs We three kings:

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen4ou-817586

Ladybug: :Jirachi: :Zapdos: :starmie: :Breloom: :tyranitar: :lucario:

Wtk: :Zapdos: :Jirachi: :celebi: :Tyranitar: :Flygon: :Starmie:

Ladybug brought an interesting twist on this balance (an identical 6 to bkc prob) by making Breloom the sd user and giving Luke a scarf. It’s very interesting, as swampert is horrible bc loom is sd facade unless you have zap w hp grass, which it doesn’t really like to have in Dpp bc you like zap to be able to handle Dragonite/glis in a pinch. Idk how I feel about scarf luke here, I feel like you need another breaker to help out the rachi? But at the same time, this really does well Into ho w the insta rocks rachi, the phys def zap, and scarf luke that I think you can afford it. Gengar requires some exquisite maneuvering here, as does Empoleon, but that’s par for the course for teams like these. Very cool take on cb tar balance.

Wtk’s take is a bit more shaky, even if it’s the same guts of the cb tar balance . Zap used to be a common lead on these teams, but taking a scarf t1 just makes this a total L, even w celebi (I find on these teams even if celebi beats loom, it still gives you problems), to the point I think you should prob just lead rachi. I’m not sure how I feel like about scarf gon here, he looks a little out of place w a defensive zap and celebi to check sweepers, but I think it makes sense into the heavy offense ladybug has brought so far. Swampert is the most common last here instead of the Flygon. This team really really leans on the cb tar against stall, but against ladybug I think it was an excellent choice, just think in today’s metagame, leading rachi was a better choice.
both bkc and my Lucario were scarf btw
 
Void vs Bkc:

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen4ou-818918

Void: :Bronzong: :starmie: :Jirachi: :Dragonite: :Tyranitar: :unown:

Bkc: :Hippowdon: :Magnezone: :Clefable: :Latias: :Jirachi: :Flygon:

I like void’s team, seems like a pretty cool physical dd spam (I’m assuming the tar was dd) w some cool choices like trick rachi + specs Star and the lead zong that are unusual choices on this style. The last really could be a lot of things, I mean Gyara is prob the most likely, but I could see him going w like a gar, maybe lati, even like heatran or a mag something like that. The dd eq dnite is an interesting choice if the last is not mag, unless he dropped espeed for fire punch which seems unlikely if he has lo bc priority is good, as Skarm feels like a danger otherwise. This danger makes me think the last is more likely something that beats skarm, as his first 5 do not do well into it. Regardless, I like this choice and I especially like it against bkc, who has been cheating against well built physical offenses a bit this season in my opinion.

Bkc: I’m not sure about this one. On one hand, this is a cool take on that old le don that used SubTect Flygon w this backbone that used scarf mag instead. BKC got ruined by a very untimely crit from dragonite on his rachi, but despite mag rise zone here being very offensively synergistic on this team, you really lean on hippo (and reflect lati) to survive against all physical offense. You have no scarfer to give you a backstop, and the fact lo outrage crit KOed told me his Jirachi isn’t that physically bulky (+1 252+ Atk Life Orb Dragonite Outrage vs. 252 HP / 224+ Def Jirachi on a critical hit: 315-372 (77.9 - 92%)) so unless he wasn’t quite max and just died to a high roll crit we won’t know. It’s a classic mag stall w a twist, so while cool idk, he ran into a buzz saw. I’m interested to see where he goes from here.

SFG vs Ladybug

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen4ou-819012

Sfg: :Zapdos: :Latias: :Tyranitar: :Empoleon: :Jirachi: :donphan:

Ladybug: :Breloom: :heatran: :Tyranitar: :milotic: :gengar: :Flygon:

Sfg: shout out to my man sfg, happy to see him take advantage of the opportunity! His team is interesting: this is a remake of a classic team mael used w specs empo in jirachee’s invitational w a twist — his team was :Empoleon: :Tyranitar: :Zapdos: :jirachi: :milotic: :donphan:. As for this team, I like a lot about it and I don’t like others. I don’t really like Zapdos leading here, I think Empoleon should lead. W specs, empo just wants to start wailing away. Even in the back, if it’s revealed to not be lefties, I see the rest of the team and think this has to be specs to wall break w this backbone. Eq defensive lati is cool here— helps optimize the heatran mu and helps you get away w wishtect rachi instead of going resttalk. scarf tar here over the band tar is very interesting, as you are really leaning on the empo to break stall to have a way better out against gengar and lati, among others, which helped here. Other than that, this style is a classic and very good!

Ladybug: honestly this team feels a lot like offensive teams used to be before Latias reintroduction , I don’t quite get the synergy? It’s tran loom w a suit tar but the backbone isn’t quite aggressive enough w the loom lead imo. Dealing w opposing loom feels catastrophic, this team feels like it’s sorely missing some offense, whether that’s metagross or suicune or gyara over the milo. The Milo fits defensively, but I find you just don’t quite have enough offense, you either get stalled out or out offensed. Lo gar is interesting here, maybe helps you power through steels for the gon. I mean he was in a good spot if he pursuited the lati, but still I don’t quite get the offense. It feels like it wants to be really aggressive and a midpaced offense at the same time.

Wtk vs groudon

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen4ou-819183

Wtk: :Bronzong: :nidoqueen: :Clefable: :magneton: :Latias: :Jirachi:

Groudon: :Flygon: :Magnezone: :Tyranitar: :Metagross: :Latias: :gengar:

Wtk: I think this team is trying to be two things at once: on one hand, you have a competent sub cm ih rachi + tspikes. On the other you’re trying to do mag bait w the zong and the rachi. Both together imo require 7 pokemon to work. The rachi version really wants a gliscor or a milo over the mag to back you up into exactly the type of team groudon brought. The mag version really wants a hippo over the nido, as to make the team survive defensively, you really need hippo’s sand and fatness to survive against offense. Unfortunately, I think this greedy build got punished, bc I’ve also been trying to build a good version of this and ran into the exact problem this team has. Some very cool ideas here that void/osgoode showed last year, but unfortunately the experiment didn’t work. Psywave lati is a nice throwback

Groudon: yeah groudon brought standard mag offense w scarf Flygon as the lead. It’s an excellent team, esp w the mag rise zone to trap zong. Flygon and lefties Meta are cool choices, as the team typically goes no scarf or scarf mag, and lefties meta + lefties mag gives you more solid rachi checks (why these teams feel out of fashion). Double drag + mag/gar/ddtar all do great together, and you have Meta as a nice do it all rocker. Honestly this might be good as a new sample team over the current mag offense? Great team

Dridri vs Christos

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen4ou-819067

Dridri: :azelf: :Scizor: :Magnezone: :celebi: :starmie: :unown:

Christos: :roserade: :swampert::heatran: :rotom-wash: :Latias: :tyranitar:

Dridri: I’m a big fan of this celebi on this style of hyper offense (although I maintain I think it really needs lefties, but I’m yhr minority). As for dridri’s last, this team is a bit unusual, i personally think it really needs a tar bc scarf rotom is awful otherwise, but hey cb sciz can help you pursuit it if it locks into sball? Kingdra or tar make a lot of sense, as heatran also looks dire w main switch in starmie. Maybe it’s something like dd kingdra? I used to think this team really needs meta > sciz, but I’ve seen people have a lot of success w sciz on that spot. Overall, I really like this team, it has some unique choices and is a very solid mag ho. I think Dridri really showed the advantages of zone in this game: his team is really weak to rotom, but good pivoting and zone’s bulk really mitigated the problem.

Christos: christos brought the standard rose spikes. I don’t know if he changed any of the sets from the sample team. We can’t see it from the replay. Now it’s def a good team, rose spikes can be a bit formulaic. But he really got torn apart by what rose spikes can always struggle w: very aggressive special offense. I don’t really have much to say here: it’s a very good team. You got the tspikes + cb tar to help SubTect heatran (it might not have been but it got instantly OHKOed and didn’t have shuca), multiple trick users and the pert to be a massive pain to physical attackers.

Laurel vs elodin

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen4ou-818995

Laurel: :Skarmory: :Gyarados: :Tyranitar: :heatran: :rotom-frost: :Jirachi:

Elodin: :Zapdos: :starmie: :jirachi: :tyranitar: :swampert: :Breloom:

Laurel built a pretty interesting spikes offense built around some absolute threats in taunt return dd gyara + lo tran and suit and a subsplit rotom (maybe the rachi is lum? It seems a bit dd weak without a scarf or Shuca) . I’m not sure if I love all of these guys on the same team and I’d prob go passho tar here, but this team has a bunch of offense. I do love lo tran, a forgotten monster, and I think it’s well supported here w the rachi and the tar meaning it doesn’t have to take on being a defensive steel type. At the same time, this team feels awfully weak to opposing tar, you can’t really switch into it, assuming rachi is frail. Typically you see lo flygon > heatran and Meta > rachi, but I do like this. Maybe some small tweaks here and there but it has my seal of approval

Elodon: so typically you see this team w one of loom or pert, not typically both. It’s hard to fit both loom and pert on this team: typically if you’re gonna drop the lead, you’d run celebi here or a scarfer, or else you’re really weak to Gyarados (which is exactly what happened) bc you don’t want to rely on solo gyara check phys def zap, esp in the lead. I also maintain that every pert should have a way to deal w gyara, whether that’s stone edge or Hp electric or roar or toxic. Since you need rocks on pert(or make rachi scarf rocks, but it’s not here) bc you have loom, this team is extraordinarily weak to Gyara, unless he got lucky which he did. I think elodin got pretty fortunate to not get punished for this decision, but hey, that happens sometimes. As for the rest of the team, pretty standard. The classic for the pert version is :uxie: :starmie: :Tyranitar: :swampert: :Zapdos: :jirachi: or if you choose to not use a dedicated lead, :jirachi: :celebi: :Tyranitar: :starmie: :swampert: :Zapdos:. Dropping cb for scarf (i believe) is an interesting choice, as I worry you don’t quite have enough offense, but it really helped here.

Thank you again!
 
Hello folks, back with the video commentary batch for Week 5, Laurel vs Groudon should be released tomorrow. Week 5 certainly had some very enjoyable matches.

Void vs Christos -

Lady Bug vs BKC -

We Three Kings vs Pkel SweeTforU (LIVE) -

Dridri457 vs Crucify -

Laurel vs Groudon (LIVE) -

Edit: Personal highlight for Week 6 to me is Crucify vs Void, and Pkel vs Groudon
 
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W5! I like the dynamic tycarter and I have of videos plus written analyses.

Dridri vs crucify

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen4ou-820429

Dridri: :azelf: :Metagross: :Tyranitar: :Gyarados: :Latias: :Bronzong:

Crucify: :uxie: :Flygon: :heatran: :rotom-heat: :Empoleon::unown:

I actually really like Dridri’s team choice here. Doubling up on meta/zong on an Ho like this is very cool w the cb azelf and I think he has enough offense against zong’s walls to pull it off. The scarf tar and lum Meta are def interesting choices here, as I woulda thought you might need band tar, but I’m assuming specs lati w cb azelf blowing up on steels is prob enough that you don’t need the additional band tar and then you need Lum on Meta to at least be able to reverse momentum on loom once/if you blow up zong on a wall you got the Meta in the back and vice versa. Everything fits really well imo. I somewhat worry about skarm w this, but some well timed explosions and pressuring it w lati you should be good.

Crucify: crucify’s team reminds me of an era of post lati reintroduction Dpp where people were still figuring out the best offensive structures. Idk I just don’t see the synergy here other than trapping clef/lati for empo and if the last is more synergetic then this team struggled to survive defensively? Maybe I really need to see the last (it’s almost certainly Breloom you can’t switch into tar at all (and dd tar demolishes you without it or sciz) otherwise and you have no real physical presence) but a big issue for agility empo is Mach loom and you don’t really lure it in here. Idk about mixgon here, like I can see it in the abstract on this team but I struggle to wrap my head how it would work defensively over like a lati. Maybe the last is lati and you just try to truck tar after uxie tricks it? Maybe it’s metagross? It reminds me of the team star used in Dpp cup finals in 2022. Like will you get wins w this, yes, but I struggle to be consistent w these teams, but hey crucify won so props to him.

Laurel vs groudon

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen4ou-820640

Laurel: :Infernape: :Flygon: :Scizor: :Metagross: :suicune: :Dragonite:

Groudon: :Latias: :Empoleon: :Skarmory: :Flygon: :Clefable: :gengar:

Laurel: Laurel kinda remade that very old art of u-turn team here w the gon + scarf sciz + ape u-turn combo and then trick iron Meta + offcune + mixnite to back it up. There’s a lot to like here, but in my opinion, ape is not a good enough anti-hazards lead to afford this team to be this weak to entry hazards. His ape set also really forces you to play mixnite well against stall, as you have several pokes that suck into stall and if you don’t nail the trick read w Meta you’re in trouble. I also don’t typically like trick + rocks Meta, but you kinda need it unless you give ape rocks. On what I like, I think the mixnite is well supported here, I wonder if sciz should be band, but I think it fits as a scarfer. It’s hard to say - I think this team can def get wins: laurel got very unlucky w his Meta here or he wins, but at the same time, I think he coulda got more out of the mixnite.

Groudon: man groudon really went the machamp is no longer in the tier I can greed it. I’m torn on this team. On one hand, cool application of gar on stall along w the phys def clef and empo. On the other, I don’t think you can afford all of what is here. This team might be the biggest gar food I’ve seen in a while. I think mixgon is out of place here - I think you need a wall, specifically prob hippo here over it. Phys def clef helps glue you together, but you saw in game how much of a problem Meta is if skarm goes down, esp since it’s gar over rotom. Even something as simple as scarf rotom becomes a challenge if lati goes down as you don’t have scarf tar nor do you have anything that wants to switch into tbolt and sball well. This team also feels very Lucario weak should it have either gar gone and one of ice punch or crunch for lati. I think to fit gar on these spikes stalls, you’re gonna need to feature it alone and just use fat mons around it like Quag, like glis, instead of trying to shoehorn in mixgon. Honestly I don’t think you need it here? Like I guess back up check for tran, nice offensive piece, but these teams kinda died (bihi’s team in spl finals 2022 is a good example) out a year or two ago once you realize the defensive holes you get w two offensive pieces on a stall like this. But hey again he won, so what do I know

Void vs Christos

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen4ou-820519

Void: :Zapdos: :Jirachi: :tyranitar: :starmie: :celebi: :rhyperior:

Christos: :azelf: :Infernape: :tyranitar: :Gyarados: :jirachi: :Latias:

Void: yeah I really like void’s team here. It’s a classic, but rhyperior is an excellent choice on the team. This probably should be the standard for tar sand based teams w rhyperior on them. Definitely has the same problems these balances always have against like tspikes and overloading Zapdos and lack of speed, etc etc, but you have so many outs to both physically based hyper offense and stall that it’s hard to go wrong w this choice. Id be interested in seeing if his rhyperior was sd or ice punch (almost certainly had sub) but other than that pretty clear on what he was running: twave lead zap / cb tar / defensive rachi (also this game showed the power a tricked scarf rachi can have in the endgame) / twave rocks celebi / starmie / rhyperior. Great choice

I liked christos’s team choice too. Nice ape physically based HO w tar and gyara w lati’s hwish to back you up. I think the main interesting thing here is the inclusion of Lum superrachi over a Meta. I like lum super rachi on this team, but I also think you need Meta. I think this type of team really lives on the edge against jirachi, and while yes, lum rachi does do a good job setting up and blowing past it, you don’t really have good other options to take its hits if your rachi is used for something else. I almost think you need Meta over the ape or lati here, just to give you a bit more physical oomph. But at the same time, both lati and ape feel right here. Not sure, but I like the idea, just didn’t work out

Ladybug vs bkc

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen4ou-820077

Lady bug: :gallade: :Zapdos: :Metagross: :suicune: :Flygon: :tyranitar:

Bkc: :heatran: :Breloom: :starmie: :Zapdos: :blissey: :Metagross:

I think ladybug’s team here is interesting. It kinda reminds me of the teams he’s been using the last few weeks that don’t quite correlate to the most modern structures but have enough tricks to survive. Like this team would be something you’d see pre-Latias, w some cool things like the trick scarf gallade to keep rocks off while still being threatening. I think the main thing is I don’t quite see the vision on how this sets up for the Zapdos without a heatran or a loom? Like zap is here, but what’s to stop the special wall whether that’s clef or bliss from coming in and throwing up rocks or a twave? Meta? Ddtar? I think this type of team just gets choked out against defensive teams while not having quite enough offense. Like will you do well against opposing offense, yes, you got a fast cc user in the lead that prevents set up, suicune, zap, scarf Flygon. I just wish he could have fit a loom or a tran here, give him some way to push past zap’s walls.

Bkc: he can’t keep getting away w this can he? I remember running this exact 6 same sets against emeral four years ago in Dpp global champs, and he just destroyed me w a special offense and swept me w chople dd tar. I think this specific team (I think this is literally the sample) died out a few years ago bc of its weakness specifically to physical offense while even w the specs tran and Meta and loom, still not being good enough vs more defensive teams. I would say a lot of these styles of teams went to cb tar over the bliss, simply bc of how flawed bliss is on a team like this and using Meta here doesn’t make up for your lack of speed control. Don’t get me wrong, this is a classic you see on the ladder, it does get wins and does it well in a no information environment. But we’re in spl, not a no information environment, you can prepare to be ready for these types of teams. I think these last few weeks bkc has ran teams specifically weak to just classic physical offense and had gotten away w it. Void took advantage, but no one so far has been able to beat him. Props to him for his play and doing well but I’m interested to see if someone else will take advantage.

Pkel vs wtk

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen4ou-820001

Pkel: :scyther: :starmie: :Infernape: :Jirachi: :Flygon: :magneton:

Wtk: :roserade: :jirachi: :swampert: :Latias: :rotom-heat: :heatran:

Wow pkel really went for it w the scyther lead. I haven’t seen a scyther ever in a tour ou game — only seen it on ladder w that guy who has like 10000 losses that I can’t remember his name? This team looks really out there, but he’s something relatively similar before w mag + kingdra in the past w lead / rocks u-turn power herb sky attack gliscor / mag / Kingdra / x / x where here, the Jirachi is the rocks + pivot user and he builds around the double lo users sweeping instead. This team really really lives on the edge and you saw it ingame as pkel had to be really aggro bc he can’t switch into to swampert or really anything once his jirachi dies and has to rely on recover star + slack off ape to survive and keep attacking, but I do like this team, I just think it’s probably not super consistent w all the inaccurate moves and the Herculean effort ingame you have to do to survive. But I imagine this gives you play against almost anything.

Wtk: I’m not a big fan of this team. I really struggle to see how torment tran fits on a rose spikes team like this in the modern era. I think rose + torment tran prob should have died out w dug being banned (the last one I remember is that old gtg team he used in like 2019 or 2020 spl finals?), as I think there’s just too many threats to both survive defensively (a common rose spikes problem) and support a torment tran. Like sub epower tran was right there and would have also done excellent here. The rest of the team is pretty standard. I also think you really miss pursuit defensively on a team like this (although Tbh, against pkel, I can see dropping suit bc he ain’t running clef, at least so far), but you also really like jirachi here. I think torment tran was an excellent choice to build around against pkel, but I wonder if it woulda been better just to go w the standard hippo / torment tran / forre / trick scarf cress or lati / clef / phys def gyara that dbc / excal came up w. I am interested to see where wtk goes from here, as I think he’s had excellent ideas, it just either hasn’t come together in game or something else. I’m excited to see the games from here on out!
 
Pkel went with a meme team & pulling off a victory in an SPL is the most immaculate display of flex, this should be recorded in our history books lmao.
Not a meme team for what it seems, Scyther have a good logic behind paired w CB, strong STAB and its high speed, that was a great game and respect both players
 
Hello, back with the Week 6 batch of SPL DPP games. Kith vs PDC and BKC vs WTK should be up by tomorrow or Friday at the latest. Johnny will prob have his writeups up soon I think.

Crucify vs Void -

Dridri457 vs Laurel -

PKeL SweeTforU vs Groudon (LIVE) -

Malekith vs PDC -

BKC vs We Three Kings -

Also since Jon and BKC played early this week, you can probably expect an upload on Sunday. Personal remaining highlights - Lady Bug vs Crucify, and Dridri vs Groudon.
 
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