Some things that have been bothering me lately.

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This is a copy of a thread I made on another forum... attn mods this is not an I am leaving thread this is more what you would call a plea for help. I'm not trying to ugh, I know this thread is an attention seeker and I don't even know if I should post this, infract my ass if you like.

I don't know how long this rant is going to be, but it won't be three lines, I can promise you guys that. If you don't feel like reading the whole thing, skip the parts you're not interested in or something.

For a first, there's a nagging and growing fear and anxiety in me that I can't explain. Everytime I hear something, like a door slamming or the wind rustling, or watch something move like my hair or a bug, I instantly get paranoid and freaked out. Every time someone comes stomping up the stairs, I shudder. Every sudden movement just... freaks me out these days. Sometimes it just feels like I'm hearing things that aren't there. I know they aren't, and it just turns out to be the wind, but it's very freaky, and... ><;

For a second, I'm having huge (and I mean huge) trouble focusing on anything at all. One of my qualities used to be a certain enthusiasm, a fire, a passion for things that I love to do. You know, a drive, a desire, a flame burning in your heart...Over the years this has become less and less. Every day I grew more complacent, and it still goes on. I started not doing things I used to do, like homework. I became more and more apathetic. I'd fall asleep at 8 PM and wake up at 1 AM with my clothes on, looking at the time and just being scared overall. I got into rows with my parents because my grades were way below my standards and what everyone knows I am capable of (which is, without trying to sound arrogant, a lot more than most people can dream of when it comes to academics.) My grades in high school went more and more downhill. I think I posted a topic about that on the IF forums, I think I then mentioned what I was going to do after high school.

Well, as you guys know I managed to enroll in university and I'm now a chemistry student. But it seems like the complacency that crept in my behaviour long ago, like a seed being planted, is sprouting a huge tree inside my mind, dominating everything else and pushing away the last stretches of will from my mind to do anything at all. I spend days wasting away doing absolutely nothing (and when I say nothing, I mean nothing; I just stare blankly at the walls for hours. Or at this screen.) I don't do anything for school anymore unless it's group work and I am actually forced to. I am failing classes I know I can pass easily, I am skipping classes that I shouldn't skip, in short I am underachieving like a total retard. It's getting worse and worse to the point where it just stings, and even though I know I have to change, there isn't any will to change anymore.

And there we get to the next point; that lack of motivation and desire. As I mentioned, nothing kindles my heart anymore. I feigned a will to study chemistry, just so I could get into university and get a job and avoid work and menial labour (absolutely my weak spot.) However, my will and interest are failing and I am considering quitting; however it bothers me that I have nowhere else to turn. I have no drive for other academic subjects either; everything I try to study seems to become void of substance and matter after a month, everything that is full turns out to be empty, like the world is an Escherian illusion in which nothing is what it seems anymore. The same blank stares I give to my surroundings is what they are giving back to me. Everything is dulling down to a white and black movie, all the sound is fading and the motion is slowing down and freezing and I just can't wait for it to stop so I don't have to feel anything anymore. There is a critical emptiness inside of me that keeps pulling at me with all the strings and drawing me back and sucking me into a void of apathy and loneliness.

And then there is my social life, which, apart from a few highlights, is degenerating into nothing again. Whereas I used to be enthusiastic, talkative and overall generally joyous in conversation and when going out (which I rarely do but anyway), I could participate a lot more actively in discussion. Yeah, I always was an odd one out, but that used to hinder me a lot less. Lately, however, I've been going out less and less and becoming more and more reclusive and just locking myself away up here or in my room; my parents are in Belgium right now, far away, knowing that I am misusing my time alone to deconstruct my mind and destroy the last remnants of my torrid personality. When I go out, my friends accuse me of looking like a corpse. I stare void into the rest of the pub, and trying to make contact with people I used to hold so dear seems to be an impossible and daunting task which is becoming unbearable to face. Everything I do is becoming inorganic, void of passion and breath, and what used to start out as mere boredom has now spiraled downward into clinical apathy and anxiety that is just killing me.

And I don't just feel socially anxious. Thoughts have been cropping up lately in my mind that just do not belong in my head. They used to start out as minor background noise whenever I had a bad day or was in a less interesting mood. But the thoughts dominate my mind these days. Every day I keep telling myself how I'm becoming less and less of a good person each day. How I keep believing I'm a horrid freak. How I simply can't understand why anyone would hang out with me because I am a corpse anyway. I have become so segregated, so alone, that being with people just plain irritates me. It's like I'm misplaced everywhere I go, I don't want to be alone, but I can't be with anyone else because I will always feel inferior and small. It's just becoming overwhelming and the constant blows that philosphy is dealing to my mind is seeping out in my behaviour. I sleep less, my eating pattern is becoming erratic, I am generally irritated and annoyed when people ask me questions that I feel they can just use their brains to answer, I just act like a total prick without reason.

And the worst thing of all is, I have no reason to feel like this. None of my direct family or friends have died (except my best mate's dad; but I wasn't *THAT* close to the man), none of them are injured, and except the friend I mentioned, everyone seems to be just fine... I feel totally murderous and suicidal when I have no reason at all to consider myself inferior, yet I keep telling myself that I am; which in turn disgusts me with myself and I spiral down into another deep vicious circle of thoughts that rapture my mind and tear my brain into two. I feel hopeless and alone. I seek to atone, but I know no ways of redemption anymore. How do I forgive myself, how do I make this change. I am running out of time and ways of getting out of this rut and my will to resist is fading.

What do I do now, where do I go, and will anyone help me?

Please hear my call.
 
What do I do now, where do I go, and will anyone help me?

Please hear my call.
It doesn't look like you tried to console with anyone yet. Unexplained beavior like that must be some sort of thing that a doctor could prescribe something for? Taking care of a hyper dog cured some of my depression when it just seems to come out of nowhere. I tend to also look like a mess without any quality sleep or way to release my anger...


Werethese feelings brought up to anyone, yet?
 
Nope, haven't gone over anyone with this, scared to death with doing that. I know I should, but I am too apathetic to bring myself round to do it.
 
I'll give a longer reply later when I have time (I hope), but I've already talked to you on MSN about this. I'll just expand more on it with a later post.
 
i would suggest writing about it. just write what you feel and then read what you wrote, i was depressed for a while and writing was very theraputic for me. i also got a pet about midway through my depression and it helped me to see that i was needed as well. if you ever want to talk about anything just hit me up on AIM: iwhataconcepti or myspace: myspace.com/cliff_the_great
 
I really don't know what to say to you, really. I don't know what I would do in your situation, but I strongly suggest seeing a psychologist or just talking to someone else about your situation. I know it will be hard but you just have to push through these things and look for the good things in life. I hope you can get yourself out of this, altough I don't know you incredibly well I do know that you're a good person and a nice guy. I also happened to notice this part of your post:
I seek to atone, but I know no ways of redemption anymore. How do I forgive myself, how do I make this change. I am running out of time and ways of getting out of this rut and my will to resist is fading.
I'm not sure if you want to hear this, but when I see this I only think of one thing: religion. Maybe you don't want to hear it right now, but perhaps you should look into some sort of religion. As a Christian I would be inclined to suggest Christianity, but I don't want to force you into anything. Whatever you do, just know that we care about you here, man.
 
I'm not into the whole God thing; it feels like a futile endeavour. I would believe in a God if I didn't feel it was a psychological blanket for the weak and a tool.
 
Haha Altmer...this is pretty incredible. Essentially every single word you wrote is what I have been feeling for a good half year at least. My grades got a little worse at the end of Senior year, and I enrolled in an Architecture school that has been the hardest thing I have ever done. I probably did it for job insurance or whatever the notion is, but my day is like work...procrastinate...procrastinate...procrastinate. I don't mean to take the focus off of you or anything, but I find it strange how exactly I can connect with this.

It may be a symptom of living on your own, fending for yourself sort of thing. Some people are close to their parents, like myself, and I guess that could be affecting you. I too used to really be passionate about things but have since found that that passion is missing.

To be honest, I don't think pills or therapy are necessary. You're actually a very good writer from what I read there, so it only makes your situation look a lot worse haha. I have recently tried making hobbies and things and sticking to them, but haven't been doing that for long enough to see if it works with this sort of depressed state.

And to whoever mentioned getting a pet, that's an awesome idea. You should try and do that, Altmer, if your college/University allows it. Or you could just say fuck 'em.
 
Sounds to me like you're very stressed and depressed. I'd seek psychological help, perhaps even take some time off of university and get a manual labor job for a little while to give your brain a vacation.

I've been in the same position as you, and every time, it was because I was in a state of constant change, with little support from family, and under a great deal of stress, (much of which was directly of my own device) and very depressed in general. Sometimes, I didn't even have an exact reason to be depressed at the time, but the human mind is often the weakest component in that, it works in circles and sometimes you just latch onto the mecabre things in life and lose sight of everything that's positive.

Seeing a Psychologist though should be your first move, imo. If you don't have anything currently in your life that would be causing you these types of problems, it might be that in the past, you experienced a similar level of stress/dissatisfaction during a time in which your home life was chaotic and your current situation is just reminding you of that time subconsciously.

Is this the first time you've gone through a phase like this?
 
talk to your parents. i have been through this kind of thing, and getting some outside perspective really helps. you need to get motivation from somewhere, and i know how hard that is when you have none, but look around and look inside, see what you want to do and what you want to be. we dont have long on earth, and we have even less time to enjoy our youth. just go for whatever you like.
 
Sounds to me like you're very stressed and depressed. I'd seek psychological help, perhaps even take some time off of university and get a manual labor job for a little while to give your brain a vacation.

I've been in the same position as you, and every time, it was because I was in a state of constant change, with little support from family, and under a great deal of stress, (much of which was directly of my own device) and very depressed in general. Sometimes, I didn't even have an exact reason to be depressed at the time, but the human mind is often the weakest component in that, it works in circles and sometimes you just latch onto the mecabre things in life and lose sight of everything that's positive.

Seeing a Psychologist though should be your first move, imo. If you don't have anything currently in your life that would be causing you these types of problems, it might be that in the past, you experienced a similar level of stress/dissatisfaction during a time in which your home life was chaotic and your current situation is just reminding you of that time subconsciously.

Is this the first time you've gone through a phase like this?

Yeah, final year of high school was killing me at some point too. Hassle with my parents, hassle with everyone else, felt so alone and I just shut myself in my room for hours until my parents said "and now it's enough, get out." I never really got over that.
 
It does sound a lot like depression.

Try listening to some different music. It's not much effort to change music for a bit and you're listening to some pretty gloomy stuff, judging by your affinity for Nightwish and your recently played tracks in your sig. Get yourself something brighter. Even pop music will do, just try a change and maybe you work up from there.

Get a pet that you have to look after and pay attention to. A dog is good idea. A cat is more independent, not as good an idea. Fish would just die when you can't be stuffed feeding them.

As for the God thing, I get the feeling it's a psychological tool as well. But it's important to note that perhaps ir's cynicism for the sake of cynicism. Either do some faith-searching or stay agnostic until you can resolve your spiritual dilemma. Don't get pressured or you'll end up a religious nutcase.

At least you weren't apathetic enough to not even bother posting. Surely that's a good thing.
 
heh I'm already switching around music as much as possible.

Nightwish isn't sad... at least not in general. yeah, there are a couple massively weird songs but most are inspired on fairytales and stuff...
 
Normally I wouldn't be posting, but in this case I felt the need to, seeing how accurately you have described my situation that if I tell you, you wouldn't believe me.
I don't where to begin. I was a brilliant in academics. Then suddenly I don't know what happened, that declined. I started faling subjects that I liked to study. The will, desire, motivation went all away. I used to be enthuasistic and talkative too but then everything suddenly dissappeared. I started to become more and more secluded. Before I enjoyed going out be after whatever place that might be. But now I feel not going out at all, not leaving home at all. Though my situation hasn't been that extreme, that is as you described of being a corpse. I haven't been into that stage.
Whenever I try change everything, the situation just becomes worse. Its like something is pulling me back from becoming my old self again. Something that I don't quite know. I do think that whatever happened started after my uncle passed away. I hadn't gone through any death before. It was a like bolt from the sky. After a few days life became normal or so I thought. But I was completely changed, to what I am now. I started to experience OCD symptoms. It has increased day-by-day and now has become enormous. I don't where I am going. It just feels like emptyness everywhere. Music to me has been somehwhat helpful. I can't even express myself clearly. You have described everything that has/is happened/ing I don't know what is left for me to say.
 
I think I can help describe it :P

When you're walking under power lines and wish that they'd fall on you.

When you see a happy couple hand-in-hand and wish you could flay their flesh from their bones with a mere thought.

When you look out your window and don't even notice whether or not the world is in color.

When you try to envision what your life will be like in 10, 20, or 30 years and see nothing but a black hole...

The brain is a pretty peculiar organ. Especially in the process of maturing, sometimes you tend to just gravitate towards thought patterns subconsciously without understanding their origin.

For me, my problems started very early in life, I consider myself to be very intelligent, and while I don't necessarily know where I'd fall in terms of academia, I do know that I have a colossal imagination and capacity for creativity that I'd say probably sets me apart from 99.99% of the rest of the world, possibly even more. I did extraordinarily well in the early parts of school, and even ended up in one of those gifted children's elitist circle-jerk classes.

My home life sort of erupted, I guess you could say, without going into too much dirty, there was abuse and neglect going on of all types and by then, my school work was about 18th on my "to do" list just under "free Mumia Abu Jamal". Needless to say, by the time we ran away from my stepdad and landed in Wisconsin (which as far as I was concerned, might as well have been Norway compared to Arizona where I'd grown up previously) I became a total outcast.

The trend continued two moves and 16 years later, and the bitterness and everything had me in a very low place. Internal chaos is like a burning flame, that once it starts to ignite everything around it, it no longer needs fuel to continue burning. To place that analogy in perspective, when you come out of a chaotic or otherwise personality-altering situation, you're set on a downward spiral that, even years later when the event that set it in motion is long forgotton, you're still spinning, still suffering, and by now you've just forgotten the whos and whys, the suffering has become such a part of who you are that it sustains itself.

Biology has something to do with depression. Most of us that become longtime (or life long) sufferers of acute depression usually have a biological or biochemical component preexisting that we inherited genetically. But there's a number of people with the biological tag for depression present that never suffer from it other than random cases of the rainy-day blues because they didn't really have anything emotionally shocking or overstimulating happen to them.

Others, like myself, get pounded on from an early age and once you get through the need to do what's necessary to survive, you're left with the harsh reality of the scars that were left behind, and a past that has become an obstacle between the present and the future. Once you've gotten to this point, there's only one real way out, and it's not easy.

You have to work on making yourself better. You have to make yourself smell flowers, make yourself walk under the sun, and hear the birds chirp in the morning. You have to make yourself call your best friend from high school and schedule time with them. You have to make yourself call your mom on the phone and tell her your'e sorry for being a hard kid to live with, even if you know you were right more than you were wrong. You have to do whatever it takes to let yourself look at yourself in the mirror and not cringe.

You may need help to do the above. You also need the strength to reach out for it and take it.
 
I'm not into the whole God thing; it feels like a futile endeavour. I would believe in a God if I didn't feel it was a psychological blanket for the weak and a tool.

Many of the greatest minds in history believed in God, even if it wasn't in vogue at the time. Tools are those who will buy into anything because they themselves believe in nothing. It almost borders on the ridiculous that, in your state, you feel the need to tear down others who have a passion for thier faith as weak when you have just made a cry for help due to apathy and faithlessness in yourself. My first recommendation is to build yourself up. Tearing others down is counterproductive.

In any event, faith can't be forced so it probably isn't a good option for you.

I'm experiencing something similar as I am about to graduate from university in less than a month. I'm not getting the suicudal/rage tendencies, but senior-itis has been creeping in. I actually think it is quite ironic. I turned around a student organization on life support and breathed in new life and continuity, I've written a 1000 or so word column for every issue of the student newspaper, prepared about 5 hours of quality radio material, I'm about to graduate cum laude to boot, and I still think I'm not up to snuff in the place that is "the real world."

When you get stressed out you grow tired and weary. Personally, I'm accustomed to being a loner because I detest the drunkeness, debaunchery, selfishness, and rudeness that comes standard in the dorm living culture. I am glad I'll be leaving those particular nuisances in a few weeks.

Only you can make yourself better. Death from apathy is easily the longest and most anguishing death one can experience. You kill yourself multiple times before you ever take out a knife or gun. I'm with Automaton on seeking a psychologist. Your university probably has one that is available.

If you have lost your passion, find a new one. Have a passion for something, even if it is making ridiculously complex mathematical models that noone will ever see or use. Just find something that lets you focus, and use the energy and strength you get from your passion to motivate you elsewhere.
 
Many of the greatest minds in history believed in God, even if it wasn't in vogue at the time. Tools are those who will buy into anything because they themselves believe in nothing. It almost borders on the ridiculous that, in your state, you feel the need to tear down others who have a passion for thier faith as weak when you have just made a cry for help due to apathy and faithlessness in yourself. My first recommendation is to build yourself up. Tearing others down is counterproductive.

I think this is part of that mentality where you want to get people to the same level as you are on, but decide to do it by dragging them down rather than working yourself up... again it's an "easy way out" thing as you might say.

When you try to envision what your life will be like in 10, 20, or 30 years and see nothing but a black hole...

I just... see nothing at all. I have no clue, and I don't want to know either. Although the nag inside my brain says it's not gonna be good.
 
I think you can get through it, it just takes effort. And I know that sometimes effort can be hard to come by when you're feeling like that.

I hope you can take something from this and learn how to live again.
 
Yeah, I went through much the same thing as you are describing.. Aside from the decrease in motivation but I was never particularly motivated toward school work.. I had a very skin of my teeth attitude toward schoolwork.

But yeah, I found that when I left school instead of my whole life being mapped out before me, I had to actually think about my future. And it was depressing..

The most important thing for me was really to talk to people about it.. I dont think it was really any of the advice I got given as much as it was the acceptance that it was something I needed to resolve, and then doing something about it..

Anyway, I think the one piece of advice I got that helped me the most was a story of a woman that someone knew, who had been depressed for an extended period of time. She found that when she had given up hope of being cured, she accepted that she would remain depressed for the rest of her life. It was when she decided to make the best of a bad situation that was what eventually pulled her through it.

I think, and I found that when I felt something that I didnt want to feel, I would try to correct it. But if I failed, I would only get more upset. The original feeling was significant but it was a lot more the panic at being unable to fix it which was the real problem for me.

Have a nice day.
 
Yep, I absolutely loathe schoolwork. 'Skin of my teeth attitude' as Hip put it. I've already decided on something that doesn't involve going through years of school. I agree with Automaton as far as taking a break from school and getting a job for a while. Making money (however small an amount) will satisfy you in the mean time. What you should do with your free time at that point is get out a lot. By get out I mean do a bunch of different shit all the time until you realize what you really want to do. No reason to be in school if all it is going to do is depress you to the point where your grades drop. Up until high school I got A's like nobody's business but then I went through a similar phase. After two years of bullshit classes in college and never being able to declare a major (I should be studying for my final right now lol) I found out that my passion lies elsewhere. My parents will be absolutely pissed that I don't want to get a four year degree and get a cushy secure cubicle job but they aren't me. And you aren't your parents. You'll enjoy life a hell of a lot more when you live it completely for yourself. You decide that you want to go back into school and learn something that you actually enjoy? Go for it! Don't answer to anyone else. Find what gives you happiness and make it your life.
 
Hipno and Acura touched on a lot of things that I didn't think of during my posts, namely "accepting depression and making the best of it thereby overcoming it" and living for yourself.

Of course, I live for myself because I gave up on the notion of my parents being proud of me by the time I was 13, so I don't really know what it feels like to be fully supported by the higher-ups in your family, but there is something liberating in working toward a goal that you set for yourself. When you're realizing your goals, and meeting your expectations for yourself, it boosts your morale and self esteem. And Morale and Self Esteem are two things a few of the posters in this thread appear to be lacking.

I still live at home, Netherlands doesn't have campuses.

Just saw this. Yeah, getting a job, moving out, getting some money saved, and coming back to school in a year or two would do wonders for your morale given your situation.
 
What I may say may not be helpful but I hope it is because I feel compelled to reply to such an emotional post. I'm currently going through something slightly similar (apathy for certain things, difficulty in social situations, inferiority complex, reclusiveness), I won't assume that I can understand what you're going through, but I can fully relate to everyone around you pissing you off but at the same time longing for company.

If you feel that you are alone a lot, consider it an opportunity to learn more about yourself as you don't have other people around you to cloud your judgement of yourself. Think about how you act towards certain people, and decide whether your behaviour is justified. Are you being a jerk to people or do they deserve it? Shut yourself away completely from friends/family for a while, if that's what it takes; they should understand. Use the time to explore other things in life, to find something to be passionate about.

Do you find yourself putting on some music, letting all your worries die away, only for them to return when you come back to reality? Being reliant on music to do this is a bad thing (and I'm guilty of this sometimes), and it might be a good idea to take some time out of music because it's also a very unsocial thing.

The greatest advice I can give you is something my best friend told me (he is just amazing at summing things up in a few words): you have to fight your own demons by yourself. We can give you all the advice and whatever, but it's you who has to find the will to pull yourself out of this situation. If you can find that power inside you, it will feel like you've been set free.
 
No motivation, boredom, and relaxation/solitude through music...
High anxiety, overly paranoid, easily excitable... anybody else see the connection here?

You're 17 years old... you should have more energy, options, and imbalanced hormones than a Ditto in a Daycare center, but you have no outlet for it...

I'd highly suggest getting professional help if you feel your problems are over your head... but the absolute BEST advice I can give you from personal experience is to get out there and constructively do absolutely as much as you can.

Sports, Movies, Hobbies? You're into music... Clubs, Concerts, heck start a Band...

It's like you have "writer's block" for your own life... You could spend the rest of your life looking into the future and being depressed about not seeing what's next... or you can get out there and live the story.
 
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