Snorlax? In my OU?

It’s more likely than you think.

At a glance:
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The teambuilding process:

The building of this team followed the standard process of adding Pokemon which cover the weaknesses of others. I started out with Snorlax.
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He’s a good egg. He takes special hits ease, and after set-up, laughs at physical attacks as well. However, the main problem for him is fighting types. As such, a counter was devised.
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Yanmega is an excellent counter to fighting types, and effectively beats up most other things too, but falls short against steel and rock-type Pokemon. It goes without saying that stealth rock is a problem for him, too.
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Donphan handles pretty much all of those things. He just can’t take on those pesky flying types, and often has to rely on Toxic to damage them, which is never really a good thing.
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With access to Thunderbolt, and Ice Beam, Starmie can handle flying types pretty well. If my Donphan’s physical Earthquake won’t do much to an opponent, you can bet your mittens that my Starmie’s special Hydro Pump is going to punish somebody. Donphan can counter electric, but what about those bug and dark-types?
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Scizor laughs at both of them.
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I’m not going to lie, Staraptor was kind of just added to this set as an extra physical sweeper, because both Snorlax and Scizor rely on stat boosting moves to do damage, whereas this guy runs in guns blazing. In some cases, you need that.

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Ability: Immunity
Nature: Adamant
EV Spread: 188 HP / 104 Def / 216 Sp. Def
Item: Leftovers
Moveset: Return / Crunch / Curse / Yawn​

My Snorlax follows the standard CurseLax set, with a few alterations. Even I said I was crazy when I decided to use a Snorlax with Immunity, rather than Thick Fat, but I sure showed myself. From my experience, using an ability which most people choose not to is an advantage in of itself, because most of my opponents seem to just assume my Snorlax would have Thick Fat, and forgo fire and ice attacks until they discover that he does not in fact resist those types. Either that or they waste a turn on Toxic, his invulnerability to which allows him to set up on many walls which rely on it. The second alteration is Yawn, a move which is often simply tossed in the bin. When my Snorlax uses Yawn, depending on how my opponent chooses to deal with it, I’m either putting a Pokemon to sleep, or forcing a switchout. In either case, my Snorlax is getting a free turn. After two uses of Curse, my Snorlax can OHKO most sweepers and 2HKO most walls. After three, my Snorlax’s defenses are so high that only burning him will stop him. His defense is naturally low, however, so if the opponent has a physical attack to get off immediately, my Snorlax is going down. He functions effectively as both a special wall, and a physical tank.

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Ability: Technician
Nature: Adamant
EV Spread: 252 HP / 40 Atk / 216 Sp. Def
Item: Red Card
Moveset: Bullet Punch / Bug Bite / Roost / Swords Dance​

Meet Scizor. He follows the standard bulkly Swords Dance set, with Roost to shrug off any damage he might gather from non-fire type Pokemon. The idea is to put him against something he resists, and use swords dance. After one boost, most opponents fall to bullet punch. Red Card comes in handy on him more often than you’d probably expect. Opponents who attempt to simply beat him up before he can do any real damage without super-effective hits are usually thrown for a loop by it.

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Ability: Sturdy
Nature: Adamant
EV Spread: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Defense
Item: Rocky Helmet
Moveset: Earthquake / Rapid Spin / Knock Off / Toxic​

Donphan serves well as a physical wall. His defenses are so immense that, against a physical sweeper, it usually doesn’t make a difference that he has no recovery. Against such an opponent, they are sure to be punished by Rocky Helmet. My Donphan has found a niche in a few scenarios, in my experience with him. The most blatant is to send him out against physical attackers who I am not confident any of my other Pokemon will be able to handle. Even if Earthquake won’t do the job, he has Toxic to bring down those Pokemon which rely on physical attacks. The second is to use him for Rapid Spin, to eliminate entry hazards. Finally, granted there are no entry hazards, my Donphan can fare quite well in halting even special sweepers who rely on an item – such as choice scarf – to sweep effectively, with Knock Off. As long as Sturdy is active, he is guaranteed at least one hit (which has accounted for a few hilarious decimations of Wash Rotom). His only real counter is Skarmory.

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Ability: Speed Boost
Nature: Timid
EV Spread: 4 Def / 252 Sp. Atk / 252 Spd
Item: Life Orb
Moveset: Bug Buzz / Air Slash / U-Turn / Protect​

Yanmega is my way of insuring that the opponent’s Pokemon will not out speed me. As you probably assumed, the idea is to use Protect on the first turn. His base speed is so high that, after one, he can out speed most choice scarf users. U-Turn is his last resort in the scenario that the opponent is more than likely going to survive the first hit, and deliver a fatal blow in return. At Yanmega’s speed, he is certain to get the attack in (unless there is a priority move), and break Focus Sash and Sturdy, should either be in use. He’s a standard special sweeper.

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Ability: Intimidate
Nature: Jolly
EV Spread: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Item: Shell Bell
Moveset: Brave Bird / Close Combat / Quick Attack / Roost​

Staraptor is a glass cannon. He functions very effectively at taking out Pokemon with low defense, but he otherwise falls with one blow. Shell Bell is to help reduce some of the recoil he suffers from Brave Bird, as I have no other item for him at the moment. He’s a standard physical sweeper, and doesn’t rely on stat boosting moves. On my team, he usually functions as a revenge killer. Quick Attack is to finish off Focus Sash users. Roost is for those rare occasions in which I may have the opportunity to heal up and go for some more Brave Birds.

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Ability: Natural Cure
Nature: Timid
EV Spread: 4 HP / 252 Sp. Atk / 252 Spd
Item: Focus Sash
Moveset: Hydro Pump / Psychic / Ice Beam / Thunderbolt​

Starmie is a standard special sweeper. I chose to forgo Rapid Spin, in favor of additional type coverage. There’s not much I can really say about it. It’s fast, it hits pretty hard, and its only real counters are special walls.


Have at me.
 
Some interesting pokemon here.

Firstly, on Staraptor I would use Reckless instead of Intimidate. It powers up brave bird and close combat, whereas his defenses are so low that Intimidate really isn't much good. Staying with Staraptor, I'd use a Sharp Beak or Choice Band. Obviously, Sharp Beak is to bluff the band, whilst still getting a boost to Brave Bird (which is basically all you'll be using anyway), and Choice Band is to hit ridiculously hard. Whilst the Shell Bell DOES offset the recoil a little, it's negligible.

On Starmie I'd run Expert Belt over Focus Sash. Chances are, Stealth Rocks will be up and the focus sash wont do much good. Starmie has pretty good coverage, so the Expert Belt will kick in quite often.

Thirdly, and finally, I'd use Leftovers over Rocky Helmet on Donphan. With no recovery, Donphan is going to get worn down way too quickly.
 
I second all the ideas stated before. First off, I would like to say that I love people that use pokemon that are not the most used(Staraptor,Yanmega,Snorlax). Next, a few suggestions I have. On Yanmega, I would recommend Hidden Power over U-Turn, presumably, HP Rock. It covers Ice weakness and the very common rain sweepers. After 2 Speed Boost's, you will be able to outrun Tornadus-T,Thundurus-T,Dragonite, etc. and can hit hard in return. The other thing I would recommend is Ice Shard over Knock Off on Donphan. I am just a fan of priority because it helps take out a lot of threats. That can help deal with Choice Scarf MoxieMence that could be problematic to this team. Other than that, good luck with the team!
 
Hey there. I do not have much time for rate, but I give you my main suggestion.
It is a very interesting team, but I see a weakness against Thundurus-T Agility/Nasty plot and Landorus Spec, because you can do anything, Donphan is OHKO by Hidden Power Ice and Scizor is OHKO by Thunder/Earth Power after Stealth Rock if opponent has Modest Nature, I suggest you Latias Life Orb on Yanmega, Latias is a very good pokemon for your team, because even if it is weak against Hidden Power Ice Landorus or Hidden power Ice of Thundurus-T it can fill with his speed I explain you: If the opponent set up Thundurus-T you can directly put Latias, if the opponent uses Nasty plot you can outspeed him and kill him with Draco Metoer and if the opponent uses agility, you didn't die on Hidden Power ice, Landorus also, then it is a very good counter to Keldeo and Latias has Recover to heal.


Latias (F) @ Life Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Draco Meteor
- Surf
- Psyshock
- Recover

Tl;dr
Dragonite--->Latias

Hope I Helped and Good Luck with your Team.

~Leftiez
 
Definetly reckless and choice band on staraptor as thunder said, he is great of OHKOing scizor that don't expect it. Staraptor is pretty much a kamakazi bomb waiting to happen. I love staraptor, I use it all the time as it is my favorite pokemon. Use it wisely...

I would also suggest Ice shard over knock off on dolphan, you have no idea how good an Ice shard is for KOing dragons at low health. Knock off doesn't do much except take away your opponents item, and with such low speed and stealth rocks BOUND to be up when you send in dolphan unless you send it in first, it is gonna get KOed most likely before you use it.

Finally Life orb over red card on scizor, and it should definetly have more speed EVs because it is so slow. It will DESTROY things with the set you have on it and a few modifications.

Lastly, get rid of yanmega and put on landorus rockpolish special attacker or an offensive roost latios. You are in desperate need of a special attacker with more type coverage. Yanmega isn't really doing anything for you that scizor and staraptor don't...
 
Hey there saucy93, nice team.

I really like the build of this team, using some underrated threats in order to overpower your opponent, I also really like the synergy of this team, as it is very important for these kinds of teams. I see some flaws that definitely need adressing, so hopefully this rate can help it improve and reach its full potential. With that said, let's get on to this rate, now shall we? Alright, first up, I would like to recommend running Body Slam over your current choice of Yawn. With Body Slam, you get an excellent STAB move that just gets boosted with a couple Curses and the 30% Paralysis rate is always good. Moving forward, I would like to suggest the usage of Life Orb over your current choice of Red Card. Life Orb increases Scizors Technician boosted, Swords Dane powered moves do sky high levels and allows him to do massive damage. Moving on with the team, I'd like to advocate the use of Stealth Rock over your current choice of Toxic. Teams like these need to utilize Stealth Rock in order to function properly. Up next, I would like to suggest running a Rock Polish Landorus over your current Yanmega. Landorus is an extremely efficent special attacker, as getting a Rock Polish up late game is relatively easy and it can destroy with its coverage moves. Well, that's all I can suggest without changing your team too much. I hope my advice helped. Have fun and good luck in your future endeavours!

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Landorus @ Life Orb Lv. 100 -- Sheer Force

Nature: Modest - EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd​

- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Rock Polish
- Focus Blast
- Earth Power

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    : Yawn -> Body Slam
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    : Red Card -> Life Orb
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    : Toxic -> Stealth Rock
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    -------------------------------> Rock Polish Landorus
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~Dr Ciel~ (The doctor is OUT)
 
Thank you, everyone, for your feedback. I appreciate it, and I will consider all of your suggestions. However, there are a few things I've seen that I want to address.

First off, this team is on my Pokemon White 2 Version. That said, I can't simply give my Donphan Ice Shard, because that is an egg move. If I am going to change a Pokemon's move to an egg move, I will have to breed a new Pokemon. I'm not saying I'm totally unwilling to do that, but keep in mind that such a change will take time (good IV's and whatnot). For that same reason, I cannot easily change any of my Pokemon's abilities. Also, my current Yanmega would have Hidden Power Electric, which only really helps him against Skarmory.

It has been suggested that I change my Starmie's item to Expert Belt. I have done this in the past, and it has proven less effective than Focus Sash.

I will not give my Staraptor a choice item. I do not like choice items, especially not on a Pokemon on which I have invested Roost and Quick Attack.

Someone suggested that I invest more speed in my Scizor. I have chosen to use a bulky Scizor, which does not call for investment in speed. Scizor has low base speed to begin with, and mine in particular has 4 IV's in that stat. I do not plan on changing his speed.

If I choose to give my Donphan Stealth Rock, I would get rid of Knock Off first.

Someone suggested that I change Yawn on my Snorlax for Body Slam. I do not see the point in this, because I already have Return, and in my opinion, the 30% paralysis rate that Body Slam carries is too unreliable to sacrifice Yawn for.

If I have not addressed your suggestion, I am considering it. I will look into Landorus and Latias, since some people suggested switching Yanmega for one of these Pokemon.
 
Dr.Cicel's suggestions similar to mine, coincidence? Lol, I am just fooling. Anyway, are you telling us that you aren't taking any ideas simply because you don't like them? I defiantly think you should reconsider the item choices on most of your Pokemon as suggested (especially on star). However, I understand it is up to with decision making so I can't control you. Meanwhile, please, please, PLEASE I STRONGLY suggest landorus or latios/latias as you are in serious need for a special attacker other then starmie and have no use for yanmega. It is entirely up to you, but I strongly suggest these things. Also, Stealth rocks is greater then knock off if you can't get ice shard...
 
Anyway, are you telling us that you aren't taking any ideas simply because you don't like them?
Well, yes, that's how suggestions work. If I don't like your idea, I will not use it. I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just saying that I have my own experiences and opinions regarding the effectiveness of my Pokemon, and in my opinion, I would have a much more comfortable time using my Staraptor with the freedom of being able to use more than one move.
Meanwhile, please, please, PLEASE I STRONGLY suggest landorus or latios/latias as you are in serious need for a special attacker other then starmie and have no use for yanmega.
As I said, I will look into Landorus or Lati@s. However, to say I have no use for Yanmega is a falsehood. I have used my Yanmega many times, and his constant rise in speed has always been a valuable asset to me. In fact, more often than not, my Yanmega has performed better than my Staraptor.
Also, Stealth rocks is greater then knock off if you can't get ice shard...
It's not that I can't get Ice Shard, it's that, at the moment, I have no Pokemon with whom to breed the move to a Phanpy with. As for Stealth Rock being better than Knock Off, you may be right. I haven't really tested that. But I have used Knock Off to great effect in the past.
 
. However, to say I have no use for Yanmega is a falsehood. I have used my Yanmega many times, and his constant rise in speed has always been a valuable asset to me. In fact, more often than not, my Yanmega has performed better than my Staraptor.
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That is because you haven't choiced or recklessed it yet, Yanmega does nothing for this team that Scizor and Staraptor can't already do. Please trust me, Staraptor has about a 50% chance to 2HKO a Metagross weakened by stealth rocks with Brave Bird That is AMAZING considering Metagross's defense and resistance! Plus, it is going to be 100% chance of a 3HKO! Staraptor is my favorite Pokemon and I know A LOT about it. I HIGHLY SUGGEST the set I have suggested earlier on it.
 
That is because you haven't choiced or recklessed it yet, Yanmega does nothing for this team that Scizor and Staraptor can't already do. Please trust me, Staraptor has about a 50% chance to 2HKO a Metagross weakened by stealth rocks with Brave Bird That is AMAZING considering Metagross's defense and resistance! Plus, it is going to be 100% chance of a 3HKO! Staraptor is my favorite Pokemon and I know A LOT about it. I HIGHLY SUGGEST the set I have suggested earlier on it.
Staraptor and Scizor are physical attackers; Yanmega is a special attacker. They serve different purposes on the team. Additionally, my Scizor focuses on bulk, and is considerably slower than Yanmega.

Also, considering Metagross' special defense is significantly lower than its defense, Yanmega would probably be a better choice than Staraptor to fight it.

I agree that Reckless would be a better choice for Staraptor, but I do not have any Starly with a hidden ability. As such, for the moment, should I choose to use a Staraptor, Intimidate is my only choice.
 
Staraptor and Scizor are physical attackers; Yanmega is a special attacker. They serve different purposes on the team. Additionally, my Scizor focuses on bulk, and is considerably slower than Yanmega.

Also, considering Metagross' special defense is significantly lower than its defense, Yanmega would probably be a better choice than Staraptor to fight it.

I agree that Reckless would be a better choice for Staraptor, but I do not have any Starly with a hidden ability. As such, for the moment, should I choose to use a Staraptor, Intimidate is my only choice.

Actually you are incorrect, it does about the same if Staraptor is choiced and reckless. If you don't have reckless it is still a 3HKO and yanmega is BARELY better. There is no need for a special attacking bug if you would just put on Landorus or Latios like everyone suggests. We are just trying to help you, can't you just test it?
 
Actually you are incorrect, it does about the same if Staraptor is choiced and reckless. If you don't have reckless it is still a 3HKO and yanmega is BARELY better. There is no need for a special attacking bug if you would just put on Landorus or Latios like everyone suggests. We are just trying to help you, can't you just test it?
I have not yet had the opportunity to test Landorus or Latios. Remember, this is all on a game card -- if I want a new Pokemon, I need to take the time to catch it, to say nothing of stop/resetting to get one with good IV's and nature because there's only one of each in my game.

I never confirmed that Yanmega is a better choice than either of those Pokemon for my team; I was only defending against the claim that he serves no place on my team.

I hope I am not coming off as being difficult right now. I am an argumentative person by nature. I do not doubt that these suggestions can help me. Much of why I am defending my Yanmega is because I want to know your rebuttals, which will help me judge whether or not I should change his position. The same goes for all other suggestions.
 
I have not yet had the opportunity to test Landorus or Latios. Remember, this is all on a game card -- if I want a new Pokemon, I need to take the time to catch it, to say nothing of stop/resetting to get one with good IV's and nature because there's only one of each in my game.

I never confirmed that Yanmega is a better choice than either of those Pokemon for my team; I was only defending against the claim that he serves no place on my team.

I hope I am not coming off as being difficult right now. I am an argumentative person by nature. I do not doubt that these suggestions can help me. Much of why I am defending my Yanmega is because I want to know your rebuttals, which will help me judge whether or not I should change his position. The same goes for all other suggestions.

Rather odd technique, but I can see where you are going. I have tested both Yanmega and Staraptor and I was just trying to defend my favorite Pokemon, it is so rare that I find someone else who uses it I was afraid that yet another person would disregard the under looked borderline Pokemon. I myself am very defensive, so talking to someone like you who claims to be argumentative is probably not the best idea...
 
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