Slaking-Shuckle, an idea of team

Braseg257

Braseg257

Hi there this is my second RTM here and this time i want to tell you about the team I want to bring in VGC 2012.
After a bad first VGC last year I want to train my team well also with RNG and i'm glad to read about your opinion. So, this is the team:

CHANGES ARE IN BOLD

Slaking @chople berry > life orb
Jolly nature
252 atk/252 Spe/ 4 Hp
-Sucker punch >Brick break
Ice punch > Rock slide
-Earthquake
-Protect
With Shuckle his ability is not a problem and his stats are very good expecially in tailwind. Life orb boost his monstrous attack power but a chople berry can save him from a super effective attack. Ice punch kills garchomp lead, sucker punch provides priority against latios and for psychic/ghost coverage. Earthquake gets synergy with eelektross, cresselia and tornadus.
Cresselia @Colbur berry > light clay
Bold nature > calm
252 Hp/ 100 def/ 158 SpD
-Protect
-Icy wind
-Psychic
-Rain dance/ reflect
I realize that I need a wall to stop fighting pkmns. Colbur berry is for scrafty and tyranitar while my partner kills them. Rain dance helps kingdra and can stop excadrill and other weather teams. More investiment in defense are to stall as more as possible garchomp and excadrill.



Kingdra @dragon gem > life orb
Timid nature > mild/lonely
252 SpA/ 252spe/ 4 hp
-protect > outrage
-Ice beam
-Hydro pump
-Draco meteor > waterfall
I've chosen the special set. I want max speed to outspeed other kingdras in the rain

Eelektross @life orb
Modest nature
252 SpA/ 252 Spe/ 4 Hp
-Discharge
-Hp Ice
-Protect
-Grass Knot
I've kept Hp ice because I think is easier to battle against a Garchomp or a Landorus than against a Swampert or a Gastrodon. Eelektross with a modest nature adn 252 evs speed can outspeed Garchomp and landorus in tailwind but I don't know what i can do if they have a scarf.


Amoonguss @ yache berry
Calm nature
252 hp/ 128 def/ 128 spD
-Protect
-Gastro acid
-Spore
-Rage powder
This pokemon is pretty good as well like lead with Slaking, a good bulk provides great resistance against lots of pokemon and with rage powder he can take any fighting attack directed to slaking. Yache berry over coba because i think ice-type attack are more common than flying-types, that were really dangerous in the last VGC.Gastro acid over giga drain because i think spore, Rpowder and protect are necessary more than giga drain (amoonguss is vulnerable to taunt the same way).

Tornadus @flyght gem
Adamant nature
252 Atk/ 252 Spe/ 4 Def
-Acrobatics
-Protect
-Tailwind
-Substitute/rain dance
A classic Smogon set. Maybe rain dance can be over substitute if I choose Kingdra but i think substitute works better.

Amoonguss can use gastro acid and is bulkier than eelectross, so I've chosen to replace excadrill with the pokemushroom, because i've got also a checker of sand team: cresselia with rain dance and a bold nature. Eelectross takes again the role of full special sweeper and Slaking gets a moveset that check a big part of common leads.
Kingdra remains an important member of this team for the rain and for the big presence of politoed. Tornadus provides priority tailwind for the team, with the adamant nature he has got a chance to OHKO politoed. Maybe keep gastro acid on eelektross and amoonguss both makes the team less predictable and it avoids that i can't use slaking if amoonguss is ko...
 
Obviously seeing Shuckle and Slaking together in team preview will lead to some pretty easy predictions, but whatever. How about, instead of Gastro Acid on Shuckle, you run it on Eelektross, which would know Discharge. Then after you Gastro Acid Slaking, you can use Discharge while Slaking holds a Cell Battery, which, when hit by an electric type move, raises the attack one of your slaking one stage. Just a thought
 
I didn't know Eelektross learn Gastro Acid but is a very good idea. I think to run it over Grass Knot, i want keep hp Ice for Ground types. maybe the Cell battery works better on Electivire, the attack stat of Slaking is already high. In this way i think Shuckle is not necessary, so i have a free slot. Should i replace it with a pkmn in the list or should i replace it with another one? Thanks for the advice
 
Saboros said:
Obviously seeing Shuckle and Slaking together in team preview will lead to some pretty easy predictions, but whatever. How about, instead of Gastro Acid on Shuckle, you run it on Eelektross, which would know Discharge. Then after you Gastro Acid Slaking, you can use Discharge while Slaking holds a Cell Battery, which, when hit by an electric type move, raises the attack one of your slaking one stage. Just a thought
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Discharge will still paralyze Slaking 30% of the time though.

Also Cell Battery and Motor Drive are incompatible; Motor Drive will prevent Cell Battery from activating.
 
YOU NEED TO RUN 252 HP EVS IT HAS FREAKING BASE 10 HP AND FREAKING BASE 230 IN BOTH DEFENSES WTF!

Seriously, shuckle does not need any def or spdef evs, don't be stupid. You need to maximize it's HP much like you don't give blissey 252 HP evs.
 
kingcharizard said:
YOU NEED TO RUN 252 HP EVS IT HAS FREAKING BASE 10 HP AND FREAKING BASE 230 IN BOTH DEFENSES WTF!

Seriously, shuckle does not need any def or spdef evs, don't be stupid. You need to maximize it's HP much like you don't give blissey 252 HP evs.
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Actually you do, as it maximises bulk (although your point is valid on running hp on shuckle). Anyway, as you seem to be very indecisive, so I suggest you test different variants of the team on PO and see which works best. I don't know much about vgc, but I'm pretty sure it is on PO, anyway, good luck!
EDIT: why on earth are you running icy wind on cresselia o.O and why are you running protect on so many pokes? I don't know vgc as I stated, so please forgive me for not understanding.
 
shnen said:
EDIT: why on earth are you running icy wind on cresselia o.O and why are you running protect on so many pokes? I don't know vgc as I stated, so please forgive me for not understanding.
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Simply because the VGC are double battles.

I think to replace shuckle because eelektross learn Gastro acid. what pokemon i should replace shuckle with?
 
Braseg257 said:
maybe the Cell battery works better on Electivire, the attack stat of Slaking is already high.
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Cell Battery doesnt work on electivire, because with motor drive you arent hit by electric type moves, so the cell battery doesnt activate. I've tested it.
 
Saboros said:
Cell Battery doesnt work on electivire, because with motor drive you arent hit by electric type moves, so the cell battery doesnt activate. I've tested it.
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And i suppose that is stupid to use Gastro Acid on Electivire to neutralize Motor Drive right?
 
shnen said:
EDIT: why on earth are you running icy wind on cresselia o.O and why are you running protect on so many pokes? I don't know vgc as I stated, so please forgive me for not understanding.
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Lurk moar dude, VGC is a double battle, making Protect the most viable move. Icy Wind double targets and always lowers speed.
 
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