Shuckle with base 50 HP?

Pokefreak25

This is my ShoodyBattle team. I will show you the team

Drifblim
-Calm -Unburden -Lum Berry
HP80/Speed176/Spc.Defense252
-Baton Pass
-Hypnosis
-Shadow Ball
-Substitute

This guy isnt ment to sweep, but he could if the opponent is Ghost weak. He Baton Passes the Substitute to Shuckle, and we have a huge stallwar. It has been able to work a bit lately, and once or twice annoyed the pponent somuch they quit XD. I also use to BP a sub to Lucario, so he gets in at least 1 swords dance, and sweps their team early, clearing the way for my late game sweeper Weaville.






Lucario -Adamant -Life Orb -Inner Focus
HP6/Attack252/Speed252
-Close Combat
-Swords Dance
-Crunch
-Extremespeed

It is amazing what this thing can do with dark pulse. No one expects it to have it, and switch in a gengar or something that they think can set up, and get hit with dark pulse. The rest of the set is standard.

Shuckle
-Impish -Leftovers -Sturdy
HP252/Attack6/Defense252
-Knock Off
-Rest
-Acupressure
-Stealth Rock
This guy is ment to have a high defense and receive a high HP sub from Drifblim to Stall the opponent forever! By the time they get through he sub, i have knocked off their item unless it was a choice item i could take advantage of, laid down the rocks, and raised my stats with acupressure which is allways good.

Weavile
-Jolly -Expert Belt -Pressure
HP6/Attack252/Speed252
-Brick Break
-Ice Punch
-Ice Shard
-Pursuit

This is my revenge killer. Brick Break for T-Tar, pursuit for gengar/alakazam. I guees I could switch Ice Shard for something, but i havn't met a single dragon who hasn't died from it.
Gengar
-Timid -Wide Lens -Levitate
HP6/Spc.Attack252/Speed252
-Hypnosis
-Focus Blast
-Shadow Ball
-Thunderbolt

Preety standard. Put things to sleep, T-Bolt a gyrados, and focus blast T-Tar. Shadow ball for stab. The item is Wide Lens because i dont want Focus Blast or Hynosis missing.
Swampert
-Impish -Leftovers -Torrent
HP240/Attack52/Defence216
-Hammer Arm
-Earthquake
-Rest
-Sleep Talk

My main tank/sleep absorber. It is durible, and can stay alive for quite a while.It can take a few hits, and dish it out at the same time.


I am open to anything, because I am very bad at making a good defense, or offense. Please help me
 
And so why doesn't Shuckle have 252 HP EV's? You will want to fix that ASAP. A tank without significant HP EV's isn't a tank at all.

Also, Jolly is a horrible Nature on Shuckle. I prefer Relaxed or Sassy (he's not gonna be out running anyone any time soon). Make Lucario's nature Adamant as well. Lonely makes his defense less than what it could be, which in a very physical attack based metagame isn't good.
 
Unless you're under item clause, give Gengar Leftovers as sludge would give Alakazam a handy weapon.

Dark Pulse has absolutely no use on Lucario. Crunch over it, as it will do triple as much damage with a swords dance and those EVs. Crunch still hits Gengar, but on its weaker defense stat.

I would make Drifblim your lead because it is easier to set up on a leading Bronzong, subing on hypnosis and then easily passing. Plus, Weavile dies to anti- lead Breloom.

You could try Ice Punc > Ice Shard as it has a lot higher base power.
 
Polis4rule said:
And so why doesn't Shuckle have 252 HP EV's? You will want to fix that ASAP. A tank without significant HP EV's isn't a tank at all.

Also, Jolly is a horrible Nature on Shuckle. I prefer Relaxed or Sassy (he's not gonna be out running anyone any time soon). Make Lucario's nature Adamant as well. Lonely makes his defense less than what it could be, which in a very physical attack based metagame isn't good.
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First of all, Shuckle doesnt have enough HP to give with base 10, but ok, i guees i could give it some more, but what EV spread should i give it?
I will change Lucario to Adamant and Dark Pulse To Crunch. And i will change Shuckles nature. I will also change drifblim to the lead pokemon. i will keepice shard because it is the only priority move i have for dragons. i dont understand what you mean by sludge for lefties? i dunno how zam could use as a weapon. and can anyone say any major threats?
 
With high defense and such low HP you should make sure you give Shuckle 252 HP first, and vice versa with someone like Blissey who has high HP already so you should focus on defense/special defense first.

Shuckle really sucks in OU without TTar/Hippowdon sandstream support. I've used him on several OU teams and you just need the TTar support to make it worth while to use Shuckle. He *can* be ok without sand, but with sand it makes him a force on the physical and special side and more viable in OU environment. I highly recommend the moveset Encore/Toxic/Rest/Stealth Rock if you want to "stall" with him so nothing can just swap into him and setup on him with Dragon Dance/Sword Dance/etc.

And also, look at Smogon analysis more for your EV spreads/natures and moves, some of these are just awful (+speed nature on Shuckle? Timid and Explosion on Drifblim is ok, but you might want Hasty). I would just go with standard Lucario instead of trying to mix it, Sucker Punch on Gengar? your wasting his potential,
 
Gaborik said:
With high defense and such low HP you should make sure you give Shuckle 252 HP first, and vice versa with someone like Blissey who has high HP already so you should focus on defense/special defense first.

Shuckle really sucks in OU without TTar/Hippowdon sandstream support. I've used him on several OU teams and you just need the TTar support to make it worth while to use Shuckle. He *can* be ok without sand, but with sand it makes him a force on the physical and special side and more viable in OU environment. I highly recommend the moveset Encore/Toxic/Rest/Stealth Rock if you want to "stall" with him so nothing can just swap into him and setup on him with Dragon Dance/Sword Dance/etc.

And also, look at Smogon analysis more for your EV spreads/natures and moves, some of these are just awful (+speed nature on Shuckle? Timid and Explosion on Drifblim is ok, but you might want Hasty). I would just go with standard Lucario instead of trying to mix it, Sucker Punch on Gengar? your wasting his potential,
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thankyou very much. i will change them and look at smogon some more
 
Crunch over dark pulse on luke

Timid nature hurts explosion on gengar, go rash or mild

If you want to run ice shard run an adamant nature, otherwise jolly with max speed theres no need for 5 more hits. Focus sash could help this as a lead, speaking of leads it doesnt make sense it barely will hurt any common leads. Throw hypnosis on gengar over sucker punch and lead him.
 
Hey! If you didn't know this, I'm also new to the forums, but I'll try my best to rate your team as best as I can.

Pokefreak25 said:
This is my ShoodyBattle team. I will show you the team

Weavile
-Jolly -Expert Belt -Pressure
HP20/Attack252/Speed216
-Brick Break
-Ice Shard
-Night Slash
-Pursuit

This is also my revenge killer. Pretty standard at taking out common leads. Brick Break for T-Tar, pursuit for gengar/alakazam. I guees I could switch Ice Shard for something, but i havn't met a single dragon who hasn't died from it.


Jolly is good, but if you're making Weavile your starter, you might want to put Focus Sash on so you can at least kill one thing. Also, I would consider putting just 252 EVs in Speed, because then you can Speed Tie other Jolly Weaviles. Also, Pursuit does great damage against Gengar and Alakazam as it is, you don't need Night Slash. Personally, I would consider replacing Night Slash with Aerial Ace, so you have something to hit Infernape/Blaziken with. And, since you're running EVs in Speed, you don't want Ice Shard. Ice Punch is much better.

Lucario
-Lonely -Life Orb -Inner Focus
Attack252/Spc.Attack6/Speed252
-Close Combat
-Swords Dance
-Dark Pulse
-Extremespeed

It is amazing what this thing can do with dark pulse. No one expects it to have it, and switch in a gengar or something that they think can set up, and get hit with dark pulse.

I like the idea of a Mixer Lucario. Lonely + Life Orb would probably work, because you need the extra power for ExtremeSpeed. Dark Pulse would DEFINITELY hit Gengar, and probably confuse your opponent as well. Lol.

Shuckle
-Jolly -Leftovers -Sturdy
HP6/Defense252/Spc. Defence252
-Knock Off
-Rock Smash
-Toxic
-Stealth Rock
This guy is ment to have a high defense/spc.defense and receive a high HP sub from Drifblim to Stall the opponent forever! It has never worked though, and he is ussualy the last poke left with drifblim

Ok... I see some pretty big flaws here.
First of all, Shuckle should NEVER be Jolly if you want just a basic wall. Shuckle should be Bold.
Second of all, Shuckle should definitely have HP Evs. I would consider using 252 HP/252 Def/6 SpDef Just because Defense is your main priority.
Third: NEVER, NEVER, NEVER use Rock Smash. That's just worthless. For the moveset, I would consider: Knock Off, Toxic, Stealth Rock, Rest. That way you can successfully stall.

Drifblim
-Timid -Unburden -Lum Berry
HP252/Speed204/Spc. Attack54
-Baton Pass
-Explosion
-Shadow Ball
-Substitute

This guy isnt ment to sweep, but he could if the opponent is Ghost weak. He Baton Passes the Substitute to Shuckle, and we have one of the biggest stall wars of man kind on our hands XD. That is the theory however, because it has never been able to use baton pass in this teams few battles, yet alone pass a Sub to Shuckle

Drifblim should probably be a different nature than Timid... seeing as it isn't meant to sweep. It's meant to Baton Pass Substitutes? I would definitely run a different set. I would use Calm, and have the EV spread: 80 HP/252 Special Defense/176 Speed. That way you can still successfully Baton Pass a Substitute pretty fast, and still be able to wall. Keep Shadow Ball, Substitute, and Baton Pass, but instead of Explosion, I would go with either Hypnosis to put the opponent out of comission, Calm Mind so you can Baton Pass more stuff, or Stockpile, which is also Baton Passing more stuff.

Gengar
-Timid -Black Sludge -Levitate
HP6/Spc.Attack252/Speed252
-Explosion
-Focus Blast
-Shadow Ball
-Sucker Punch

This will explode on threats my team cant take, focus blast the Blissey that comes in expecting Shadow Ball, and do the same to T-Tar. Sucker Punch for weaker foes

Ok... Timid is OK. The Ev spread is also OK. However, instead of Black Sludge, use Life Orb or Choice Scarf. This allows you to sweep much more. Sucker Punch is a physical move, so you would probably want the moveset: Explosion/Focus Blast/Shadow Ball/Thunderbolt, so you can take care of Bulky Gyarados. Also, you wouldn't want to use Focus Blast on Blissey, seeing as it's a special wall. You would want to Explode on her.

Swampert
-Impish -Leftovers -Torrent
HP240/Attack52/Defence216
-Avalanche
-Earthquake
-Rest
-Sleep Talk

My main tank/sleep absorber. It is durible, and can stay alive for quite a while.It can take a few hits, and dish it out at the same time.

You just gained a whole lot more respect from me, seeing as I'm a big Swampert fan. Impish and Leftovers are very good, I also like the set. Keep the Swampert the way it is.

I am open to anything, because I am very bad at making a good defense, or offense. Please help me
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Overall, a fairly good team, just make a few changes, and you should be set. Thanks for listening xD
 
I played this team on Shoddy. To be blunt and honest: Start from scratch.

  1. Shuckle doesn't work well in OU.
  2. Neither does Drifblim
  3. Some of your EV spreads/natures/etc are just plain odd. (See: Weavile/Lucario/Shuckle/Gengar)
  4. Your team has 3 Pokemon weak to SR
Overall, this team just doesn't work against a standard OU team.
 
Sephiroth32194 said:
Hey! If you didn't know this, I'm also new to the forums, but I'll try my best to rate your team as best as I can.



Overall, a fairly good team, just make a few changes, and you should be set. Thanks for listening xD
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Thankyou for all the help! I have changed the team alot now, and I have the edits in. Thanks for all the help from all of you! It has really improved the team
 
Please tell me this, what's Dark Pulse going to hit which Crunch doesn't already? You'd run a lot of Attack EVs and SD, so basically Crunch is superior to Dark Pulse.

Shuckle should always run Encore, as it's whats make it worth using in OU. It's better used in teams who run Sandstorm and/or a lot of setup, and that's something you lack.

Ice Shard is definitely a better option on Weavile then Aerial Ace. Aerial Ace's coverage is quite limited, and Ice Shard let you revengekill weaken threats and the dragons better.
 
Your Team is very vulnerable to toxic, Stall teams, and aggresive teams. Teams need battle plans. Your team looks like you took six random pokemon and just threw them together. I suggest playing around with a few aggresive teams and a few stall teams to learn about team structures through the teams you play and good teams you run into.
 
Weavile is most deadly late game when he can outspeed everything to sweep up the mess. Give him Choice Band for more power, and max out his speed.

Lucario should probably go with Crunch over Dark Pulse. It keeps you more focused and allows your defenses to be higher. If you really want Dark Pulse, then whatever.

Shuckle wants an Impish nature to do more damage with Knock Off. Otherwise its good.

Drifblim's only wish for Christmas is to be your lead. It may not be a good idea, but this Hindenburg was born to set up on Bronzong. However...you need a special wall. Badly. Your only chance of beating Gengar is Weavile. Swampert can take the sleep but then your boned. Zapdos is a pretty good Gengar eater, and you can give him a bunch of special defense EVs (or Light Screen) instead of defense EVs like the pokedex says. You can still Baton Pass, but I think your better with the "Defensive Roost" set with Light Screen. I don't like changing people's pokemon, but Zapdos is an excellent option.

Gengar: good job. Just make sure Explosion kills max HP / max Defense Bold Blissey. If it comes close its fine.

Swampert is fine as well.


For future refenrences, you can find optimal defensive EV placement in the pokedex. Go to the left column, go to "Articles" and then "Maximizing Your Defenses." Click on the link, adjust your numbers for your stats and preferences, and voila! However, remember that the EVs in the pokedex usually are made to withstand specific hits, so keep those in mind.
 
eastamazonantidote said:
Weavile is most deadly late game when he can outspeed everything to sweep up the mess. Give him Choice Band for more power, and max out his speed.

Lucario should probably go with Crunch over Dark Pulse. It keeps you more focused and allows your defenses to be higher. If you really want Dark Pulse, then whatever.

Shuckle wants an Impish nature to do more damage with Knock Off. Otherwise its good.

Drifblim's only wish for Christmas is to be your lead. It may not be a good idea, but this Hindenburg was born to set up on Bronzong. However...you need a special wall. Badly. Your only chance of beating Gengar is Weavile. Swampert can take the sleep but then your boned. Zapdos is a pretty good Gengar eater, and you can give him a bunch of special defense EVs (or Light Screen) instead of defense EVs like the pokedex says. You can still Baton Pass, but I think your better with the "Defensive Roost" set with Light Screen. I don't like changing people's pokemon, but Zapdos is an excellent option.

Gengar: good job. Just make sure Explosion kills max HP / max Defense Bold Blissey. If it comes close its fine.

Swampert is fine as well.


For future refenrences, you can find optimal defensive EV placement in the pokedex. Go to the left column, go to "Articles" and then "Maximizing Your Defenses." Click on the link, adjust your numbers for your stats and preferences, and voila! However, remember that the EVs in the pokedex usually are made to withstand specific hits, so keep those in mind.
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I am considering changing a pokemon for a special wall, because i just had a roserade sweep my team. BUt which pokemon should i take out since this Drifblim is now my lead? And I think i will use a Blissey because my team does need some health recover besides rest
 
Rag said:
Please tell me this, what's Dark Pulse going to hit which Crunch doesn't already? You'd run a lot of Attack EVs and SD, so basically Crunch is superior to Dark Pulse.

Shuckle should always run Encore, as it's whats make it worth using in OU. It's better used in teams who run Sandstorm and/or a lot of setup, and that's something you lack.

Ice Shard is definitely a better option on Weavile then Aerial Ace. Aerial Ace's coverage is quite limited, and Ice Shard let you revengekill weaken threats and the dragons better.
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Think about it this way, if you have a Skaromy, then your opponent sends out a Lucario, then what do you? Since Skaromy is a physical wall, you can send it out to lay the rocks/spikes and whirlwind me. But I use Dark Pulse and do more damage then Crunch, because you are physiacl, not special.

I am not going to run encore on shuckle because i need him to stay alive(rest), i need someone for the rocks(stealthrocks), i need him to attack and not struggle from a taunt(knock off), and he needs to status them in some way so that he does something other than sit there for the match(toxic)

I am running my Weaville max speed so there is no need for ice shard when i am fast enough, plus Ice Punch does more damage. Unless they use a priority move.
 
English is not my first language but i want to help as this is similar to my team, so don't kill my if I miss spell

Drifblim
-Calm -Unburden -Lum Berry
HP80/Speed176/Spc.Defense252
-Baton Pass
-Hypnosis
-Shadow Ball
-Substitute

I never used or seen this so I won't comment. I would change him for a better pokemon especially a sand streamer like tyranitar and hippo to get sand storm that would help shuckle with a special defense boost and would not hurt lucario, shuckle or swampert, and help wear down you opponents to let lucaio sweep with greater ease.


Lucario-Adamant -Life Orb -Inner Focus
Attack232/Spc.Attack26/Speed252
-Close Combat
-Swords Dance
-Crunch /Bullet Punch/HP (ice)
-Extremespeed

I recomend an all physical lucario because they are so good, and get bullet punch if you want to hit gengar don't worry about physical wall as many of them are OHKO with Stealth Rock up such as Swampert, Skarmory, brozong and more. The physical wall that will give you trouble are dusknoir, celebi, and cresselia with you could hurt with crunch instead of bullet punch which I would recomend instead since you have weavile with pursuit to get gengar beware of Focus Punch. (Here is a trick when gengar comes in on lucario switch to gengar to take focus blast and then change to weavile to take shadow ball and pursuit, if gengar its scarf he will run from gengar and you at least will know that he is scarf)
PS skarmory is resistance to dark so dark pulse will do less than the very poweful close combat even when skarmory has way better defense that special ones.
Shuckle
-Impish -Leftovers -Sturdy
HP252/Attack6/Defense252
-Knock Off
-Rest
-Encore
-Stealth Rock
Without Sandstorm he can't wall as well (i recoment to get a sand streamer) but still he can help you greatly. I would run Encore instead of toxic because you have lucario and steels are inmune to toxic and resistent to dark (knock off) and will wall you. Think of this scenario, you bring shuckle and use stealth rock your opponent brings in a pokemon that can set up on shuckle and uses Sword dance or calm mind you encore and they are stuck, you then bring lucario and sword dance as they continue to set up or run for cover because your lucario will have a sword dance under his belt and be prepare to sweep. Also if they attack shuckle with a rock attack which is super effective on shuckle you can wich to lucario too since he is resistance to rock with both of its typings. Also after you encore you can switch to a safe pokemon say you opponent its stcuk on a fighting move switch to gengar, phycich switch to weavile, elctric switch to swampert your pokemon have a lot of inmunities which you could exploit for your own good.

Weavile
-Jolly -Choice Band -Pressure
HP6/Attack252/Speed252
-Brick Break
-Ice Punch
-Ice Shards
-Pursuit

I would make him a choice band pokemon and give him ice shard instead of aerial ace to hit dragon dancers like salamance, dragonair or gyarados. With this you can hit gengar (pursuit) ,garchomp, and salamance good lucario counters. Keep ice punch to hit gliscors that also stop lucarios unless you give lucario hidden power ice instead of bullet punch or crunch to kill gliscor. Another good thing about this is that you can kill Starmie that can spin away your rocks.
Gengar
-Timid -Life Orb -Levitate
HP6/Spc.Attack252/Speed252
-Hypnosis
-Focus Blast
-Shadow Ball
-Thunderbolt

I would take off explosion as you can kill blissey with lucario and weavile and blissey doesn't stop anything in you team except for gengar. I would give him hypnosis with in my experience is really useful.

Swampert
-Impish -Leftovers -Torrent
HP240/Attack52/Defence216
-Avalanche
-Earthquake
-Rest
-Sleep Talk

good old swampert as you see in my name I really like him. he helps you to stop tyranitar, garchomp and other threats but beware of gyarados setting up on you. you might want to make him a mixpert to help you get rid of gliscor lucario's best counter because ice beam and surf or hydro pump hurt him more than avalanch. Also you could run a curse swampert if you put encore on shuckle because it could help you to curse up on not very effective moves or electric attacks

I hope I help
 
Pokefreak25 said:
Think about it this way, if you have a Skaromy, then your opponent sends out a Lucario, then what do you? Since Skaromy is a physical wall, you can send it out to lay the rocks/spikes and whirlwind me. But I use Dark Pulse and do more damage then Crunch, because you are physiacl, not special.

I am not going to run encore on shuckle because i need him to stay alive(rest), i need someone for the rocks(stealthrocks), i need him to attack and not struggle from a taunt(knock off), and he needs to status them in some way so that he does something other than sit there for the match(toxic)

I am running my Weaville max speed so there is no need for ice shard when i am fast enough, plus Ice Punch does more damage. Unless they use a priority move.
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Yeah, but why the hell would you use Dark Pulse on a skarmory anyway when you have a SD Close Combat that hits neutrally with STAB?

And the non-ice shard strategy could work but anything scarfed will beat it. Since it isn't your starter, it gets beat by SR, making the sash useless. Change it to orb or choice band. 3 SR weaknesses, so you might need to switch that up a bit.
 
Pokefreak25 said:
Think about it this way, if you have a Skaromy, then your opponent sends out a Lucario, then what do you? Since Skaromy is a physical wall, you can send it out to lay the rocks/spikes and whirlwind me. But I use Dark Pulse and do more damage then Crunch, because you are physiacl, not special.

I am not going to run encore on shuckle because i need him to stay alive(rest), i need someone for the rocks(stealthrocks), i need him to attack and not struggle from a taunt(knock off), and he needs to status them in some way so that he does something other than sit there for the match(toxic)

I am running my Weaville max speed so there is no need for ice shard when i am fast enough, plus Ice Punch does more damage. Unless they use a priority move.
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1) Skarmory takes more damage from a Close Combat, and is usually OHKOd, while Dark Pulse does nothing. Bad example.

The following Pokémon is hit harder by a Crunch then from a Dark Pulse:
Cresselia, Celebi, Gengar, Dusknoir, Spiritomb, Zapdos, Gyarados, and the list goes on..

The following Pokémon is hit harder by Dark Pulse:
.. Gliscor..? Well, in that case, HP Ice is superior.

You cannot argue with damage calcs, try to run some. :) There isn't really any uses for Dark Pulse.

And did you read my post at all? How will Weavile revengekill Scarfchomp and DD Mence/Nite with Ice Punch? Ice Shard is basically its selling point, and considering there's a lot of threats in the metagame who abuse Choice Scarf, Ice Shard is very necessary if you'll work as a revengekiller. You should really compare Ice Shard and Ice Punch like that. Ice Punch will be your reliable STAB move, while Ice Shard is there to handle common metagame-threats. And like I said earier, Aerial Ace's coverage is quite limited.

hm, beaten
 
Why are people commenting on individual pokemon corrections instead of the concept of the team. This team has no focus so why don't we find out the goal of the team before we go on tweaking individual pokemon?
 
Fatal Finish said:
Why are people commenting on individual pokemon corrections instead of the concept of the team. This team has no focus so why don't we find out the goal of the team before we go on tweaking individual pokemon?
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This teams purpose is to send shuckle in with a drifblims sub. It means that the high defensive shuckle has the best sub it could, and can take quite a through hits, lay rocks, encore and other stuff before the opponent has even broke the sub. But they other pokemon need to be able to sweep, coz shuckle wont. It helps when peple comment on individual pokemon, because each inividual pokemon is part of the team and helps it out quite a bit. But does anyone have an answer to my Spc wall problem?
 
I would make sure to have another win condition other then lucario because if he dies your team seems very lacking in reliable offence. Heracross can hit all your pokemon hard especially if weavile loses ariel ace. How easily can Drifblum keep a sub up vs common leads maybe some stat calcs would b useful.
 
Rag said:
1) Skarmory takes more damage from a Close Combat, and is usually OHKOd, while Dark Pulse does nothing. Bad example.

The following Pokémon is hit harder by a Crunch then from a Dark Pulse:
Cresselia, Celebi, Gengar, Dusknoir, Spiritomb, Zapdos, Gyarados, and the list goes on..

The following Pokémon is hit harder by Dark Pulse:
.. Gliscor..? Well, in that case, HP Ice is superior.

You cannot argue with damage calcs, try to run some. :) There isn't really any uses for Dark Pulse.

And did you read my post at all? How will Weavile revengekill Scarfchomp and DD Mence/Nite with Ice Punch? Ice Shard is basically its selling point, and considering there's a lot of threats in the metagame who abuse Choice Scarf, Ice Shard is very necessary if you'll work as a revengekiller. You should really compare Ice Shard and Ice Punch like that. Ice Punch will be your reliable STAB move, while Ice Shard is there to handle common metagame-threats. And like I said earier, Aerial Ace's coverage is quite limited.

hm, beaten
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Ok, you are right about lucario completely. I just thought it could help a bit and be unexpected. Anyways i have changed the team around a bit with all the opinions. So have a look. But i dont really want to turn this into a SandStorm team unless the sand streamer is a special wall,and as far as i know, they are both physical walls.
 
Fatal Finish said:
I would make sure to have another win condition other then lucario because if he dies your team seems very lacking in reliable offence. Heracross can hit all your pokemon hard especially if weavile loses ariel ace. How easily can Drifblum keep a sub up vs common leads maybe some stat calcs would b useful.
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Usually it does not work. A jolteon just thunderbloted me, and i lost 98%HP, while i tried to set up a sub. And what have people been saying about drifblim setting up n bronzong. Explain people please. I am faster, if i set up a sub, it uses gyro ball. If i use hypnosis, it usually has a lum berry and hypnosis me and my lum berry cures.i use hypnosis again, but what happens if i miss? It uses hypnosis, sets up the rocks and does what ever it wants to!
 
Why not give shuckle acupressure instead of encore? When behind that bulky sub, you can get a ton of stat boosts while they try to break it.
 
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