RTM Umbreon Sweep

oblivian_ty_7

EDIT: sorry about the title, it's late here... guess it's "Rate The 'Mons"? lol

EDIT2: tyvm Kenshin for providing a link to a Rotom-H sprite :D

as the title suggests, this team is ALL about getting Umbreon (my fav poke ever <3) in to set up and sweep the entire enemy team! now it does feature back up strategies, however Umbreon coming in to set up is by far the most fun (and funniest) to do. on to the team:


Changes in Bold Italics

At a Glance
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In Depth


Strategy 1: Rock 'n Seed

The SR Lead
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Flippers the Swampert @ Leftovers
Relaxed
252 HP / 200 Def / 52 SpA
Stealth Rock
Earthquake
Surf
Ice Beam


basically this guy can handle more than LeadApe can. still lays down Rocks, gives me a nice Electric Nullifier, and in general Counters TTar and anything Vaporeon can. SR was an Obvious choice, Surf + EQ for STAB, and Ice Beam for Dragons. like i said, a more Offensive Version of Vaporeon for the most part


The Annoyer
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Shrooms the Breloom @ Toxic Orb
-Jolly-
 44 HP / 252 Atk / 212 Spe
 Leech Seed
Substitute
Focus punch
Seed Bomb
this guy's doing pretty well for me though i haven't got to test him much. i wanted Spore or Leech Seed however in-game i wasn't paying attention and he evolved >.< so Leech Seed was my 2nd choice. SubSeedPunch Breloom is quite annoying and hard to take down thanks to Poison Heal + Toxic Orb. basically this guy absorbs Status and is to cause annoyance and switches since i now lose my Roar user. Focus Punch is just to keep a Fighting attack on the team and makes TTar an open target to set up on and OHKO, and Seed Bomb is a nice STAB that works vs things like Pert




Strategy 2: Operation "Umbreon Sweep"

The Set-Up
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Mr. Roboto the Bronzong @ Light Clay
-Relaxed-
252 HP / 152 Atk / 8 Def / 96 Spe
Light Screen
Reflect
Gyro Ball
Explosion

1 of the 2 awesome Dual Screen placers in the game (along with Uxie). once i find an opening this bugger comes in and sets up Dual Screens with Light Clay prolonging their effects. normally by then it's time to Explode and pass along those boosts, but there may be time for a Gyro Ball or 2 which is simply here for STAB


The Hidden Beast
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New Moon the Umbreon @ Leftovers
-Careful-
252 HP / 252 SpDef / 6 Atk
Curse
Payback
Wish
Protect

this baby is my pride and joy <3. comes in after the Dual Screens have been placed (whether Zong dies or Explodes) and continues to set up under their Protection. She bacially Curses when she can survive, while doing Wish + Protect in between until some Curses are off and she can actually afford to not even Protect between Curses! of course this is followed by a few +4-6 100 Base Power STAB Paybacks to own nearly anything :D. by then poeple get the picture and attempt to rid me of this monster by Exploding (only to find their plans foiled by Protect [*cough* ScarfTran, Zong, and Gross *cough*]), Status (gotta rely on Syncronize here... Toxic just ruins her though), or their own Set Ups (basically only Scizor/Luke is a threat here)


Strategy 3: The Back Up


The Dragon
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Ryken the Salamence @ Life Orb
-Naive-
232 Atk / 24 SpAtk / 252 Spe
Outrage
Earthquake
Fire Blast
Dragon Dance

every team needs a Dragon, and as it turns out this guys fits better than Flygon. has has the exact same coverage with more attack power, but comes with the ability to increase both his Speed and Attack :D. just like with Flygon, EQ + Fire Blast + Outrage scores neutral on everything. Outrage nails pretty much anything that's not part Steel (EQ and Fire Blast take care of them anyway), while Fire Blast + EQ takes nearly all the OU Sweepers who'll be packing a Fighting or Bug move


The Revenge
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Oven the Rotom-H @ Choice Scarf
-Modest-
4 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe
Trick
Shadow Ball
ThunderBolt
Overheat

as suggested works better over TrickGar. can take a U-Turn or basically anything from Scizor and OHKO with Overheat (along with basically any other Steel barring Tran). T-Bolt nails those pesky Bulky Waters and Gyara and Shadow Ball gets STAB and takes care of other Ghosts. Trick just screws things over (mainly Bliss as of late XD). overall has worked better than Gengar due to his natural Bulkiness that Gar lacks, however he leaves me no reliable TTar (though they are rarer than i thought) counter =/




so far like 3 times people left the match as soon as Umbreon got a single Curse off XD. the team is ~22-6 which i think is mostly from the fact they are thinking "omg my awesome team just got swept by a **** Umbreon O_O" XD, but i really like the team and am pleased with how well Dual Screen + Curse Umbreon is working. i'm open to most suggestions as long as it doesn't involve loosing Umbreon (even if there are better Curse users) or Bronzong (except maybe for Uxie)... otherwise, fire away!​
 
Scarf Rotom-H is better than Scarf Gengar in almost every scenario. STAB Thunderbolt/Discharge comes out a lot stronger than Gengar's Thunderbolt, he still can use Shadow Ball and Trick, and Overheat ends up a lot better than Focus Blast. He also has a far superior typing (Electric has 1 less weakness and many more useful resistances for a Ghost than Poison does) and defenses, allowing him to counter just about any Scizor or Lucario that attempts to set up on you, while still being a great check for Gyarados and frail Psychics/Ghosts. The only things he loses are being able to outspeed +1 base 100s (like DD Salamence, but you lack a move to hit him with anyways) and the ability to take out Tyranitar in one shot with Focus Blast.
 
ScarfGar or Rotom basically comes down to if your team can counter Tyranitar using the rest of your team.

EDIT: Although ScarfGar does have it's place here I agree that as you have no solid U-Turn absorber, you should indeed go for the bulkier Rotom, as your team really doesn't like Scizor one bit. Rotom is also excellent for playing mind games, as opponents will be wary of switching in Special walls, in fear of Trick, or physical sweepers, fearing something like Will-o-Wisp. This allows you to attack more easily.

Something to consider?
 
If you want to try and get a sweep with Umbreon, you need insurance against the #1 threat in the game, Scizor. Right now, CB Scizor can just repeatedly come into your Umbreon without worry and U-turn out, either inflicting massive damage to your Umbreon or hitting another of your Pokemon hard and getting your opponent the advantageous switch. None of your Pokemon right now 'resist' U-turn - Gengar and Infernape are far to frail to really be of much use. It's been suggested already, and I would agree with the switch from scarf Gengar to scarf Rotom-H. Rotom's Steel resistance and higher Defenses mean it can threaten Scizor, instead of the other way around with Gengar. Rotom is still fast enough to outspeed base 130s and a once DDed Adamant Gyarados, meaning it can revenge with Thunderbolt. Rotom also gives you a bit more insurance against Fighting types, something else that threaten your Umbreon, as if it comes in on a Stone Edge instead of a Close Combat, it can still take it well because of its naturally high defense. This is not the case with Gengar. I would keep the same nature, EV spread, and moves, but just replace Focus Blast with Overheat if you switch to Rotom.

Having Infernape around in the late game would be nice on this team, as apart from your scarfer you're quite lacking in Speed, and Infernape can be a direct threat to Scizor, as well as cleaning up the dregs of the opposing team if your Umbreon didn't manage to finish them off. You have it in the vulnerable lead position right now, so I would suggest leading with Bronzong instead and saving Infernape for later. Umbreon is bulky enough to not need screen support when setting up, and you don't have any other set up Pokemon, so Bronzong can drop the screens for a more standard lead set:

Bronzong @ Leftovers | Levitate | Sassy | 252 HP / 84 Atk / 80 Def / 92 SpD
Gyro Ball / Stealth Rock / Hypnosis / Explosion

Even though Hypnosis' accuracy has taken a hit, Bronzong has the bulk to stay there and keep on using it, and for some reason people really don't expect it any more (or carry a sleep absorber for that matter). Bronzong can actually get a whole lot done in the lead scenario, Sleeping an opponent out of the game, using the free switch to get up rocks, and then Exploding as another Pokemon comes in, doing big damage as well as giving one of your sweepers a free safe switchin.

This means you can change your Infernape to a MixApe set that can do a lot of damage in the latter stages of a battle:

Infernape @ Life Orb | Naive | 64 Atk / 252 SpA / 192 Spe
Close Combat / Flamethrower / Grass Knot / Hidden Power Ice

The good thing about having Infernape around in the late game is that Latias often see him as a free switchin, which in turn generally means a free switchin for your Umbreon to come and start Cursing up and hitting with super effective Paybacks. Like I've said already, it'll also help you out vs Scizor in general as well if Infernape's not being killed off right at the start of a match.

Good luck with your team :).
 
I'd use the Surf/Wish/Protect/Roar version of Vaporeon. It can still act as a Dragon checker once SR is up, and has more durability.

Then you will have a Wisher who isn't your sweeper, and you can afford to RestTalk on Umbreon. You'll lose your Explosion protection (but that's what Rotom's for, eh?) and gain protection from Toxic/Burn - a fair trade imo
 
DDMence has proven a wonderful addition to the team, however i'm out of time to test anything else atm. Rotom-H looks like he'll do great over Gengar though

hmm... changing Zong and Apes roles. i'm not sure about that. i mean, yes Mixape would help the team (especially vs TTar if i lose Trickgar), but i love Dual Screen Zong as he's given Umbreon so many free turns and free chances for 6 Curses (course on the flip side sometime i don't even get her out directly after Dual Screens). i'll test this, but atm i'm not liking the look of it =/

Wish + Protect Vaporeon sounds good, but lately i've been running into Toxic users and laughing in their face through a Sub. i don't really like RestTalk on Umbreon, but it's worth a try seeing as she's been shut down due to both Toxic and T-Wave :(


on a side note, besides Shoddy this team will probably go no farther than fighting my 2 friends and little brother (none of them EV train, get right natures, or use competitive movesets) so even now i think i'll come out on top XD
 
ok, did some testing and:

- TrickTom-H > TrickGar.
as suggested he gives me the bulkiness i was missing with Gar. also, he gives me a counter (other than DDMence Fire Blast and EQ) to Steels, like Luke and Scizor, that like to pwn Umbreon

- Umbreon keeps Wish + Protect
RestTalk just didn't work for me. Wish + Protect gave me a much better results with the fashion i play Umbreon, which involves some precise prediction to get free Curses off and keep her alive that i lose with the randomness of Sleep Talk =/

- Vaporeon keeps Sub + Roar
though it seems odd, that's the point. no one expects it and will bring in their Counter/Set Up/Wall as i Sub, then if they break it or not i Roar, and Sub/Roar accordingly from there. i actually barely get to use Surf or Ice Beam unless i Roar out a Dragon/Grass/Ground/Rock and it stays in. other than that i keep on Subbing and Roaring

-Bronzong stays as is
though LeadZong is nice i prefer setting up Dual Screens and laughing as the opponent scrambles to pull something out that can actually take out Umbreon as she sets up behind them. this is what normally makes Umbreon my game winner :)


possible changes:

-LeadApe seems to be a weak
i know he's a Suicide Lead basically, however i'd like to see him stick around longer (mainly for TTar). Stealth Rock is a must on anything that may replace him, as is CC/Brick Break (for TTar of course). other than his frailness he fits in the team well
 
Watch out for phazers such as skarm and pert with the Umbreon sweep. Base 65 attack is not ideal for a sweep unless you can get 4+ curses under your belt, but realistically this isn't going to do much to these bulky phazers in particular, and I'm pretty sure that Vappy might be able to phaze as well. Also, due to negative priority for phazing moves, Payback is only base 50. Just a warning. Otherwise, the team looks well-built as I see it right now, you're right in saying that perhaps Leadape isn't the best.
 
thanks :)

i am aware of Phazers loving Umbreon which is another reason DDMence and Rotom-H are on the team ;D. also, any suggestions over Ape? i'm serisously at a loss of what to put over him (though it is 11 p.m. here and i'm a bit tired *yawn*)

EDIT: maybe Anti-Lead Luke? course then SR would have to go to Zong (which could trick people into thinking he's the usual version. hmm...)
 
How about using a double screen lead Bronzong? This is a compromise for your Bronzong, retaining it's supporting duties while being about the bulkiest lead there is. Then infernape could becomes one of the MixApe sets and you wouldn't need to remove a vital element from the team?

In many scenario's you'd set up reflect or light screen (depending on which lead they use) set up Stealth Rock and if they stay in, set up another screen, if they switch out to a counter, you can either set up a screen in it's face, blow up in it's face or simply switch out Bronzong, to fight another day.
 
Sorry; its sucks but i did my best:



Vaporeon; despite being physically weaker than Swampert; does take special hits better (right?) and if umbreon is cursing a spongey blue dog might be more helpful.
 
@Tarquinmacdonald: i actually didn't think of that >.<. i'll try it no doubt

@Kenshin: THANK YOU <3. i looked everywhere and none i found worked here on Smogon. also, i think you're right about Vaporeon... she's proven very useful

EDIT: on a totally unrelated note: it's my B-day! now i'm an 18 yr old playing Pokemon >.<
 
did testing again:

- making Zong the lead didn't work out =/
he worked fine, but not for my Umbreon Sweep set up. he'd really be good on a team of frail Sweepers for the Dual Screens, but not here. he also created another problem: Mixape was a nice Sweeper, but still frail (IMO) and thus making both of these guys get KO'd early in the match vs just Ape going down. this still made me lose my TTar counter, but also lost my easy set up for Umbreon

IMHO i think this team is about as good as it will get. each member has vital roles for Umbreon:

LeadApe- breaks Sashes, lays Rocks, and comes back for TTar
RoarSub Vaporeon- suprise is just useful. scouts for Fighting Attack Users
Dual Screen Zong- sets up for Umbreon and normally Explodes on something (or comes back to)
Umbreon- center of the team and with Dual Screens is nearly unstoppable (barring phazing and Statuses [though Syncronize helps there])
DDMence- can come in on most OU Fighting and Bug Users and takes em out with EQ/Fire Blast (Luke, Hera, MixApe, Scizor [if he switches into me], etc)
Trick Rotom-H- same as DDMence, but for other threats (Gengar, Gyara, Scizor)

any other last minute suggestions?
 
I have a team very much like this one, and I can give you a bit of help.
First off: Umbreons EVs need a change, try these out
252hp/252spD/4atk
This works because his defense and attack are already going to be boosted sky high with curse, so it is necessary to have as much special bulk as possible.

Second, I suggest a lead swampert over infernape.
Swampert@leftovers
Relaxed
252hp/200def/52spA
-stealth rock
-earthquake
-surf
-ice beam
this guy helps fix your scizor problems and adds some overall bulk to your team. It will get your rocks up and still come in against t-tar. He can also help counter dragons for you.

I'll add more later, sorry if it's a bit sloppy but i'm on my iPod right now.
 
I totally agree with m0nkfish, Vaporeon needs Wish. Vaporeon I must say is one of the mightiest walls ever able to take down some of the biggest threats in the metagame including: Salamence, Gyarados, Rhyperior, some Tyranitars, Metagross, Infernape and others however with no recovery move it wont be able to do its job accuratelly.

Else than that, it seems solid, I dont find the Infernape lead so vital for the team so perhaps as some have suggested Swampert would be a better lead for the team.
 
hmm... i very much like the Pert lead idea. i'll test it out no doubt

i'll rethink Wish on Vaporeon. as you guys stated she's been going down pretty easy lately

about Umbreons EVs, yea... it was random messing around lol. and after those Curses she is weaker SpDef-wise. thanks
 
The team looks ok, but there are a few things I would consider. The first is the addition of a Steel Killer Magnezone. You could definitely use it as Payback is resisted by steels and there are almost 2 steels per team now. You might also want to change Substitute on Vaporeon to Wish. I run Roar / Wish / Ice Beam / Surf and it has nice results. You need to predict well to recover your own health as you will need to wait a turn and there is no space for protect, but it works. Wish Support also seems like it can help this team A LOT.
 
more changes:

- Wish works wonders with Roar :D
- new Umbreon EVs
- added nicknames ^_^

if i had more time (it's midnight here) i'd try out Pert atm. but he defiantly seems to fit better seeing as he's Bulky, lays Rocks, and counters TTar.

Magnezone seems interesting. might try him out after Pert. thanks



mind you this team will never really competitively fight IRL. but i'm sure it can hold up vs Nite, Kingdra, Giratina, Pikachu, Jolteon, and Gengar (some of my poke playing friends favs... they don't play teirs obviously) who are not made competitively what so ever

heck, the (Hasty IIRC) Gengar my one friend, who has attempted to EV train now, has is running 6 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Atk and Shadow Ball, Shadow Claw, Focus Punch/Hypnosis, and Sub/Mean Look (can't remember if he's SubPunching or not) lmao >.< so i doubt i'll have trouble
 
- Mixpert now over LeadApe
he lasts WAY longer and does the exact same thing, plus he can counter anything Vappy can. over all i'm pleased with him... saved me a few times vs Vire and ScarfGar and Rotom-A


this^ leads to the newest problem/idea:

*refer to the "( )" part of Pert in the OP* could Vappy be replaced by fitting Roar on Pert? it seems things that are weak to Rock hit me kinda hard now... off the top of my head RestTalk Machamp sounds good
 
lol thanks. i've put more work into this team than any other (mainly due to the fact that Umbreon is the best ever <3 :3)

also, pondering one final thing before creating the team for tearing up some pokes IRL:

- bring back Leadape and Pert > Vappy?
i lose Wish, but gain Sash breaking, STAB CC and EQ respectively, and if i do i'll opt for U-Turn over the standard Fire Blast on Ape for even more scouting (i have Mence and Rotom-H for Fire anyway)
 
thanks for the help. i'm honestly at a loss on which 2 to pick from ape, Pert, and Vappy >.<

i've already gotten Umbreon in-game so the team is underway, but picking those last 2 slots is kinda hard
 
Ape and Pert sound like they would be better for your team since they provide much more coverage and can help you sweep a little better.
 
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