Rotom-W (ChestoRest) [QC 0/3]

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http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/rotom-w

[SET]
name: ChestoRest
move 1: Rest
move 2: Volt Switch
move 3: Hydro Pump
move 4: Hidden Power Grass / Hidden Power Fire
item: Chesto Berry
nature: Modest
evs: 168 HP / 252 SpA / 88 Spe

Why this set deserves to be on-site:

  • Bluffs Rotom-W's most commonly held item, Choice Scarf, and unlike Expert Belt provides a reliable 100% healing move that removes status
  • Can surprise opponents leading to extra kills
  • Threating early game with the bluff of Choice Scarf along with good bulk and instant and reliable healing in Rest provides longevity
  • With the only way of revealing your set is with Rest or changing up your moves, bluffing the threat of Trick or a fast attack against your opponent is very beneficial

Additional Comments:
  • If bluffing an item isn't as vital a spread of 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SDef with Will-O-Wisp over Hidden Power can still somewhat bluff the Choice item, but its main purpose is being a potent wall and pivot with insta-recovery in Rest. This set also has the advantage of a slower Volt Switch allowing your desired pokemon to come in without taking a hit.
  • EV spread allows Rotom-W to outspeed Max Speed Adamant Scizor and 252 SAtk EVs with Modest allows for Rotom-W to take out threats with the correct Hidden Power
  • Hidden Power Fire OHKOs Scizor and 2HKOs Ferrothorn, Hidden Power Grass 2HKOs Gastrodon and Swampert, while OHKOing Quagsire, and Hidden Power Ice hits Dragon-types like Salamence and Dragonite, and Grass-types like Celebi.
  • Since Max Speed Jolly Tyranitar is basically non-existant on sets that aren't Choice Scarf, reaching 244 Speed is not needed


Teammates & Counters:
  • Depending on your choice of Hidden Power Rotom-W's counters counters are different. Without HP Fire Ferrothorn walls the set to death and without HP Grass Gastrodon does the same
  • Drizzle Politoed provides eternal rain to help out Rotom-W dish out more damage with Hydro Pump
  • Politoed also can help you in being able to Toxic Gastrodon to gets its health down for a surprise HP Grass kill
  • Chansey and Blissey counter this set as you can't trick them a Choice item to cripple them. Fighting types to handle them like Conkeldurr, Toxicroak in the rain, Breloom, or Terrakion are recommended
  • Scizor is an excellent partner for having amazing synergy with Rotom-W and completing the infamous VolTurn core
 
I use this set all the time, so I know how effective ChestoResto is.

However, I really vouch for 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD Calm Rotom-W. It hits hard enough to what it has to, and the extra special defense reallllllly helps out against like. Everything.
 
I think that either Hidden Power Grass or Ice should be slashed over HP Fire. Ferrothorn can be dealt with by other team members, and Scizor will fall to Hydro Pump anyways. However, Gastrodon walls HP Grass-less sets, and Dragonite will troll if you lack HP Ice. IMO, one of them should be slashed first.

EDIT: @blarajan: With those EVs and HP Fire, Rotom-W will fail to 2HKO Ferrothorn, so HP Fire would be useless with that spread.
 
harsha2014 said:
I think that either Hidden Power Grass or Ice should be slashed over HP Fire. Ferrothorn can be dealt with by other team members, and Scizor will fall to Hydro Pump anyways. However, Gastrodon walls HP Grass-less sets, and Dragonite will troll if you lack HP Ice. IMO, one of them should be slashed first.

EDIT: @blarajan: With those EVs and HP Fire, Rotom-W will fail to 2HKO Ferrothorn, so HP Fire would be useless with that spread.
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I think I'll slash HP Grass before HP Ice as being completely walled by Gastrodon without being able to even pick up momentum if it switches in on you like Ferro is probably better as against Dnite you might be better off Volt Switching to a counter. Still HP Ice is very good if they think you're locked into HPump and you can deal a massive hit with HP Ice.

@Blara I'll put your set in AC, I personally like using it with more SAtk so that they don't immediately know you're ChestoRest when you deal abnormally weaker damage to something.

EDIT: K Blara, using WoW on it with that spread definitely differentiates from the offensive set and will be put into AC.
 
Oh, I use WoW > Hidden Power on that Rotom solely for that reason. It can kind of bluff a Choice item, but its main goal is to be a bulky mother fucker.
 
I'm surprised that no one has written this set up earlier. RestoChesto is definitely a very good set for Rotom-W. Maybe slash WoW along with the hidden powers since RestoChesto Rotoms tend to be very bulky.

EDIT: Ninja'd
 
ThePillsburyDoughBoy said:
I wouldn't use Hidden Power Ice, doesn't the Scarf set use that because it outspeeds Dragons?
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Yeah, you're right. Like I said earlier I would personally prefer to carry Fire/Grass and just Volt Switch on Dnite to a counter and that fact kind of slipped my mind.
Having your choice of Hidden Powers cover what walls you in Ferro and Gastrodon and leaving the other one to your team is probably a better option.
 
Also if you do bring up my set, mention how having a slower Volt Switch helps a ton in the mirror matches (you get the momentum, not their Rotom-W).
 
Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't really see what advantages this has over something like Expert + Pain Spit. Expert Belt still bluffs the choice item, but Rotom can hit stuff it lures in much harder while Pain Spit lets you hurt Blissey. Losing status with Rest is nice, but Toxic and Burn can be managed with Pain Split, not to mention Rotom will be Volt Switch-ing a lot. Pain Spit isn't the most reliable Recovery move, but is losing the item slot really worth the 1 time recoery with Rest? I mean sure you can use rest again, but without Lefties or Sleep Talk I don't see Rotom waking up all the time.

It's a good set, I'm just personally not sure if it warrants its own.
 
Brizz, that was my initial impression too. Isn't this outclassed by a RestTalk set with Expert Belt?
 
I think we should be a little more careful with "outclassed." RestTalk wouldn't get to use Volt Switch, after all! Rest + Volt Switch sounds pretty stupid to me.
 
November Blue said:
Brizz, that was my initial impression too. Isn't this outclassed by a RestTalk set with Expert Belt?
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As Blara said, a RestTalk with Expert Belt wouldn't be able to Volt Switch effectively unless you want to never get Rotom awake again or rely on getting HPump or Rest through Sleep Talk twice. The whole point of an Expert Belt set on Rotom-W would be to lure in counters to kill them with the right coverage move and won't have enough room to carry Pain Split to begin with. (Ex. Expert Belt Rotom-W carrying Signal Beam for Celebi after it switches in on Hydro Pump)

RestoChesto's main objective is using its namesake's strategy to get a better and more reliable recovery that removes status seeing as for the most part in/against balance or more offensive teams Rotom-W will generally only get a single chance to get the optimal Pain Split and it most likely won't even get up to full with it. The ability to bluff the Scarf and get surprise kills is just the icing on the cake.
 
Bump! This thread got a good amount of responses when I first started it,but didn't get anymore after. I'd like to hear the opinions of some QC members
 
So the other QC members and I discussed this set, and decided that all ChestoRest analysis can go into OO unless there's a specific strategy built around the Pokemon besides healing. People pretty much know the perks of using Rest + Chesto Berry: luring, faking a Choice item, and whatnot.

I'm going to soft reject this until a c&c mod can move this.
 
Yea, seconding AccidentalGreed; it doesn't really play much differently from the non-choiced Rotom-W other than the surprise factor.

QC Rejected (2/3)
 
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