Rise Against - Appeal To Reason

Rise Against - Appeal To Reason

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Genre: Alternative Rock / Punk Rock

Rise Against is a band, which should never have joined a major label record company. The American alternative rock / punk rock band has only been going downhill in terms of good music after joining Geffen Records. The band consists of Tim McIlrath (lead-vocals, guitar), Zach Blair (guitar, vocals), Joe Principe (bass, vocals) and Brandon Barnes (drums).

Unfortunately, they've also gotten a huge a profit out of joining something bigger. After all, they were a band with potential a few years ago. Now they're just like your average Green Day -punk band. "We criticize, therefore we are cool." Nonetheless, they offer a fairly vast variety of punk songs and basic rock songs, which is quite respectable under any circumstances if you respect music, that is.

Siren Song Of The Counter Culture (2004) gave promises that the band wouldn't turn that poppy under a major record label but The Sufferer And The Witness (2006) let those hopes down. Appeal To Reason (2008) is their fifth studio album and I can't say the expectations were too high. The criticism is still effective but the music is quite soft compared to how they could sound. After all, easy music attracts the masses.

You can already tell by the lengths of the songs that there will be repetition inside and between various songs. Criticism in music should be done shortly and dynamically rather than repeating the chorus for multiple times. Though, it's inevitable that the anger and rebellions of youth will always eventually wear out. I never expected Rise Against to be an exception. I sincerely hope this album would appeal to the people who enjoyed the older Rise Against as well as the people who enjoy their newer stuff.


1. Collapse (Post-Amerika) - 3:19

The song name would promise a strong starter. You can already tell what they're going to sing about and as basic as the subject is, it still sounds as intriguing as always. "What if America fell?"

The introductory riff gives something for the ears and despite the average lyrics and progression of the song, it's actually quite enjoyable. The chorus is a bit too poppy for my tastes but it could be consumed with pleasure too. Unnecessary rebellion-feeling creating simultaneously shouted/sung parts and the rather poor guitar solos drop the points of the song towards the end.

8/10

2. Long Forgotten Sons - 4:01

Starts pretty much where the previous track ended, which creates a nice continuum feeling. Because apparently the first song was so fast, they needed to put a slower one here with vocals that are too clear to be the real Tim McIlrath. Basic song structure and a not-wanted length of over four minutes give a negative contribution for Long Forgotten Sons. If the long forgotten sons sound like this, I can definitely understand why they were forgotten in the first case.

5/10

3. Re-Education (Through Labor) - 3:43

The first single (pre-released actually) from this album, so this track is what everybody had to base their first opinion about this album on.

The beginning is rough enough to get my hopes pretty high. Sounds like Rise Against once again. But, no. Why the hell do they have to stuff the simultaneous vocals into everything, especially when only one of the vocals is actually singing. It's effective when it's not done in all of the first three songs of the album.

The guitar work of Re-Education and decent lyrics manage to partially save the third song of Appeal To Reason. The repetitiveness still hurts and I have yet to have raised my fist - the effect this music should have on everyone.

6.5/10

4. The Dirt Whispered - 3:09

Okay, a really basic punk/rock song. Barely any distortion in instruments and vocals, an ordinary song structure and basic lyrics. A solo would save this song, but cool, they managed to cut that out too. Instead, they went with the simultaneous vocals, Tim singing the lyrics and Joe singing 'ooooh-ooooooooh'.

Come on, Rise Against, cut the crap, please.

4/10

5. Kotov Syndrome - 3:04

A promising, strong beginning with powerful drums and nicely supporting guitars. The lyrics are actually quite decent and this is the first time on the whole album, where Rise Against sounds like Rise Against. The guitar solo is simple and doesn't distract the listener to a useless 80s hair rock solo hype.
By this track, you're almost immune to the simultaneous vocals: they still don't work but you have to get used to them because they are in every song.
These guys should realize that Tim's voice is something that shouldn't be supported with other vocals. Yet, Kotov Syndrome is a pleasant track on this album and I'm glad to hear that the band might still have a grip on something.

8.5/10

6. From Heads Unworthy - 3:42

Definitely not a track I could imagine from Rise Against because the song structure isn't as simple as it tends to be. Tim gets to use his vocals alone most of the time and the guitar support the song's backbone quite nicely. I really shouldn't be complimenting this track because it's quite poppy and that way, I'd be contradicting myself. I can't help it though, it's catchy and a decent song too, even though the lyrics are borderline bad.

8/10

7. The Strength To Go On - 3:27

'Welcome home!' is a nice way to start a song in my opinion. Makes you think about the definition of a home right from the beginning.
The track features pretty much all of the things you could expect in a mainstream punk/rock song. The problem is that they've done quite a few times already and it's starting to get boring. The song would be catchy by itself but when listening to a whole album, it just doesn't fit here. As a single, this is something workable, definitely.

7/10

8. Audience of One - 4:05

Way too 'rock' for Rise Against. Too slow, too wannabe atmospheric. They should've gone Roadside or Swing Life Away with this song.
If it were slower, it would work. If it were faster, it would also work. It's just stuck between and can't really be included in either group.
The title of the song is good, though. Sucks that the name was wasted on a track such as this. I didn't even listen this song all the way to the end.

5/10

9. Entertainment - 3:35

Interesting and attention-grasping beginning, which proceeds to fast beat and I'm enjoying myself again. The supporting vocals are actually well done in this song, because they are distant and seem to be so separate from the main vocals. The guitar riffs are simple but fast and powerful. Entertainment is entertaining, yes. After halfway of the song, it goes pretty progressive and it's quite surprising. Doesn't sound like Rise Against but sounds pretty damn good. Shouting also makes the song worthwhile.

8.5/10

10. Hero of War - 4:13

The slow, acoustic track of the album, which lacks the melancholy feeling that is much needed. The lyrics are quite sad, full of critique nonetheless. Not a song to which you could sleep to, neither is it powerful enough for anything else. Boring, done before with better success and could've been done better here.

5.5/10

11. Savior - 4:02

Is this the savior of this album? Definitely sounds like old Rise Against and has the feeling too. Simplified instruments when singing takes part and a fast rhythm move the song fast forward.

That' s when she said I don't hate you, boy.
I just want to save you while there's still something left to save.
That's when I told her I love you girl
but I'm not the answer for the questions that you still have
.

with some woah-woah's in there as well.

A love song-of-sorts from Rise Against done with a style that should appeal to the listeners of the band, from any group of preference. The chorus is lyrically simple but catchy and the meaning is strong. This is the song that saved this album while there was still something to save. A very necessary track for this album - pretty much the only track to which I describe with the words 'above average'.

9/10

12. Hairline Fracture
- 4:02

I was not expecting for Hairline Fracture to top Savior but it does a damn fine job in challenging it. The album has grown better towards the end. This is where an atmospheric song actually works - when you need to wrap up something.

We are wounded but we are healing.

That somehow sums up my feelings about this album as a whole. The song is nothing spectacular but shows a promise of decency. A bit too long, though, which brings down the feeling a bit by creating too much repetition.

8/10

13. Whereabouts Unknown - 4:03

Wraps up the whole album quite well as the last track. Introduces nothing new and uses all of the elements that were previously used in the other tracks on the album. I always expect something great from the last song of an album but Whereabouts Unknown doesn't fulfill my expectations.
Rise Against needs to step up and try something like their older production again.

6/10

Total:

6.85/10
 
Just because a band changes their sound doesn't mean they have sold out, all great bands change their sound to appeal to a broader audience. I agree with you that their earlier stuff was better such as Revolutions per minute, but it is still a very good album with political overtones, which have been part of Rise Against since the very begging.
 
Just because a band changes their sound doesn't mean they have sold out, all great bands change their sound to appeal to a broader audience. I agree with you that their earlier stuff was better such as Revolutions per minute, but it is still a very good album with political overtones, which have been part of Rise Against since the very begging.

Yeah, it doesn't necessarily mean it but when a punk band does it, it usually is selling out. After all, they changed their sound to a more poppy one after they got more popular with The Sufferer And The Witness. Well, they were already moderately popular after Siren Song of The Counter Culture but the latest albums have been sheer pop-punk-rock stuff.

I'm not saying that it's a bad album. I just can't make myself like it anymore than I do now.
 
I agree it's not their best stuff but I think Tim said that they now have a bigger megaphone to spread the word of their cause or something like that to justify the change in sound.
 
I agree it's not their best stuff but I think Tim said that they now have a bigger megaphone to spread the word of their cause or something like that to justify the change in sound.

Yeah, I suppose it's like that when you phrase it positively. Changes happen and I wouldn't abandon this band even after dramatical changes, which have yet to occur.
 
Just because a band changes their sound doesn't mean they have sold out, all great bands change their sound to appeal to a broader audience. I agree with you that their earlier stuff was better such as Revolutions per minute, but it is still a very good album with political overtones, which have been part of Rise Against since the very begging.

That's like saying they were never good from the beginning. It's natural that people will feel nostalgic about music that they previously enjoyed and be xenophobic and closed minded to new ideas and progressive music but it's also a fact of life that the band is probably going to want to experiment and expand. Fans don't need to hold them back.
 
people will feel nostalgic about music that they previously enjoyed and be xenophobic and closed minded to new ideas and progressive music.

Please tell me how it's progressive when a band converts their style into something that resembles more popular music than their previous production. Progressive music should vary from the mainstream song structures rather than deform into one.

And I don't like to think myself as close-minded in this case. I do enjoy a couple songs on the album and I never said it's complete trash. Being close-minded would rather mean that I wouldn't even have done this review- going into depth with the album. Instead, I would have listened to the album once and then condemned it to being the worst shit ever on the face of the earth.

Though, let's not turn this thread into a close-minded vs open-minded battle. Everyone has their likings and dislikings.
 
Echo do you even realize how pretentious you sound? For the record: Rise Against have always been styled around "popular music".

Open minded - Close minded.

It's got nothing to do with that. I'm sick of the pretentious audiophile, I can't like things if others like them mindset. It's annoying. You and your kin only come off as snobs.

"Please tell me how it's progressive when a band converts their style into something that resembles more popular music"

I lol'd when I read that. I'm pretty sure you're just trying to troll me.
This album exemplifies why I like Rise Against; they've got valuable political messages within their songs and they've cleaned up their act in order to appeal to a wider audience. It's great stuff really.
 
klarth said:
Echo do you even realize how pretentious you sound? For the record: Rise Against have always been styled around "popular music".

Open minded - Close minded.

It's got nothing to do with that. I'm sick of the pretentious audiophile, I can't like things if others like them mindset. It's annoying. You and your kin only come off as snobs.

"Please tell me how it's progressive when a band converts their style into something that resembles more popular music"

I lol'd when I read that. I'm pretty sure you're just trying to troll me.
This album exemplifies why I like Rise Against; they've got valuable political messages within their songs and they've cleaned up their act in order to appeal to a wider audience. It's great stuff really.

Allright, it's clear that we don't enjoy this album in the same way. You love it whereas I consider it as an average album, yet workable. There should be no quarrel between us about personal opinions. I won't bother commenting on your previous post even though I disagree with some of it because it's obvious that neither us will change their opinions because of this debate.

If you think I'm a pretentious, annoying snob audiophile, that's cool. Just take these insults somewhere else, ok?
 
I actually didn't enjoy this album at all. I much prefer siren song to the counter culture, back when they were popular for being punkish and not when they were popular for being fucking (BAN ME PLEASE)s.

It's seriously like listening to one full album of crying because the world isn't the way they want it.
 
Well, I'm a sucker for poppy choruses so I really enjoyed this album. My favourite song would be Kotov Syndrome, then Re-Education. Rise Against are admittedly good for a generic punk-rock band.
 
I actually hate this album. It's a step in the wrong direction and essentially spits in the face of RA's punk fanbase. It is selling out, even if the intention is good.
The bonus track at the end of Sufferer and The Witness, Built to Last, held so much promise. It was full of energy and had that raw, gritty sound that I've enjoyed so much since The Unraveling. The preachy songs were tolerable because they were appropriately spaced, well constructed and seperated by fantastic adrenaline pumping punk rock tracks such as Bricks and Drones. I felt it was the perfect balance between their old sound and the inevitable branching out into the mainstream.
Appeal to Reason just sounds so generic, it took several listens through before I even began to distinguish the tracks from each other. It's mind numblingly boring and all the songs go on way too long. I think it's worth pointing out that there's not a single song under 3 minutes, which is very rare for a punk band. Nothing stands out to me, just feels very mediocre. I think this entire album gets too caught up in its politics and completely forgets about what's important about music.


In my opinion.
 
Ok this album is the worst album of Rise Against's of the last three, by quite a margin in my opinion. Siren Song was an awesome album in my opinion, and definately worth the money for buying. Seriously, Blood to Bleed I can listen to over and over again. Sufferer and the Witness to me was still good except it had the odd bad song (Roadside <_<), and this had more than the odd bad song. I'll agree Savior is the 'Savior' of the album, it is a great song, but there are others which don't warrant me listening to them. A fair review, i'll say, they much mirror my views as well.
 
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