Pop Danthology 2014 [Made w/Dice]

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Krauersaut

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With the hope that this will not be an inherent failure, I present to you:

POP DANTHOLOGY 2014

The Lineup:
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In-Depth:

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The bigger they are, the harder they fall
These biggity boys are diggity dogs
Have em' like Miley Cyrus, clothes off
Twerkin' in their bras and thongs, TIMBER!

Timber (Landorus-Therian) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP / 248 Def / 14 Spd
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Toxic

(Used to be Groudon) The Stealth Rock setter on my team. Also, serves as a POTENTIAL E-killer check in means of Toxic, but still is only a check - this team is quite EKiller weak now. Landorus-T was put in in favor of Groudon because of the fact that it checks Blaziken and Ho-Oh, something that my Groudon did not. I lost sun support for Fireceus, but if the other team DOES have a Ho-Oh and or Blaziken, not only will they be checked, but chances are, they'll have a Groudon as well.
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So you want to play with magic
Boy, you should know what you're falling for
Baby do you dare to do this
Cause I'm comin' at you like a Dark Horse...

Dark Horse (Xerneas) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Fairy Aura
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Hasty Nature
- Moonblast
- Thunder
- Psyshock
- Focus Blast

I don't even like that song. It's just so fitting... Anyway, standard Geoxern. By standard, I mean what is in my opinion the best GeoXern set. 104 Speed because Dice is paranoid about Choice Scarf Terrakion, and is adamant about me not running 56... Anyway, this thing is a solid check to Palkia, something that the team in general is weak to.

Due to a decent rate pointing out why I should do this, Xerneas is now scarfed. :D Was thinking about running mixed scarf, but I have enough physical damage on this team, so why not just go full on SpA?

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I'm waking up
To ash and dust
I wipe my brow and I sweat my rust
I'm breathing in the chemicals...

Radioactive (Yveltal) @ Life Orb
Ability: Dark Aura
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 32 Atk / 252 SAtk / 224 Spd
Mild Nature
- Dark Pulse
- Oblivion Wing
- Sucker Punch
- Taunt

The primary wall-breaker on this team. It has great synergy with the other members, and the mixed damage wall-breaking is something this team benefits greatly from. My first run with Offensive Y-God, and I have to say, I'm in love <3

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I'm addicted to you
Hooked on your love
Like a powerful drug
I can't get enough of...

Addicted To You (Arceus-Fire) @ Flame Plate
Ability: Multitype
EVs: 252 HP / 144 Def / 112 Spd
Timid Nature
- Calm Mind
- Thunderbolt
- Flamethrower
- Recover

The star of the show. Acts as a secondary Xern check if Scizor can't pull through, and does some hefty damage with +2 Judgment ^_^ Synergizes well with team, Orch loves it, and honestly, so do I :D

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I'm friends with the Monster
That's under my bed
Get along with the voices
Inside of my head

The Monster (Palkia) @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 56 SpD / 200 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Spacial Rend
- Toxic
- Rest

Leftovers over AV because of that last move there... it's not only something nobody expects, but it allows this team to handle Darkrai with relative ease. Standard EV spread, lovely Kyogre counter. Nice synergy with team, particularly Groudon ^_^

Absolutely OVERWHELMING response led to me knowing that Dice's suggestion was the best... I'll find a way to attune myself to this set ;-; Now a status sponge. ;P

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Lately, I've been, I've been losing sleep
Dreaming about the things that we could be
But baby, I've been, I've been praying hard
Said no more counting dollars, we'll be counting stars
Yeah we'll be counting... stars.

Counting Stars (Scizor) (M) @ Scizorite
Ability: Light Metal
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- Roost
- Superpower
- Defog

The primary Xerneas check on this team. Superpower > U-Turn because of Blobs and Ferrothorn (whom, despite doubts, is still relevant). Standard EV spread, and the team's defogger. Quite reliable, too!

Conclusion:
While some of you may disagree with my song choices, that's fine. Be thankful I didn't put Palkia's face on a wrecking ball... Anyway, drop a like, use the team if you'd like, and help me out on my way to getting better at a great tier!

Importable:
Timber (Landorus-Therian) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spd
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Toxic

Dark Horse (Xerneas) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Fairy Aura
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Hasty Nature
- Moonblast
- Thunder
- Psyshock
- Focus Blast

Addicted To You (Arceus-Fire) @ Flame Plate
Ability: Multitype
EVs: 252 HP / 144 Def / 112 Spd
Timid Nature
- Calm Mind
- Thunderbolt
- Flamethrower
- Recover

Radioactive (Yveltal) @ Life Orb
Ability: Dark Aura
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 32 Atk / 252 SAtk / 224 Spd
Mild Nature
- Dark Pulse
- Oblivion Wing
- Sucker Punch
- Taunt

The Monster (Palkia) @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 200 SAtk / 56 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Spacial Rend
- Toxic
- Rest

Counting Stars (Scizor) (M) @ Scizorite
Ability: Light Metal
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- Roost
- Superpower
- Defog

CREDIT TO HELP ON TEAM:

Dice - Ilybby
Hack - What a great rate
Haruno - fuck you
Piex - fucking specs arceus
Donkey - thanks for taking the time to rate my team :D
Melee - also a decent rate
m3isterman - didn't take the suggestion, but thanks none the less
Edgrr - my name is calm mind fireceus
 
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Lyrics are decent
Dice is awesome
Decent pics
A lil thing u could try is counter>superpower on scizor.. it'll always get u the KO on ekiller if it attacks, but the flaws are clearly fairly obvious.
Sleep talk on palk is sick
Just beware with fireceus cos 1] sr weakness sux 2] loses to psyshock variants of geo xern [you could try poisonceus cos whilst ofc that's weaker to psyshock u don't really beat psyshock anyway, and you're more of a stalwart to stall]
Dece team imo
Glad to see ubers RMTs slowly popping up ^^
 
Lyrics are decent
Dice is awesome
Decent pics
A lil thing u could try is counter>superpower on scizor.. it'll always get u the KO on ekiller if it attacks, but the flaws are clearly fairly obvious.
Sleep talk on palk is sick
Just beware with fireceus cos 1] sr weakness sux 2] loses to psyshock variants of geo xern [you could try poisonceus cos whilst ofc that's weaker to psyshock u don't really beat psyshock anyway, and you're more of a stalwart to stall]
Dece team imo
Glad to see ubers RMTs slowly popping up ^^
Thanks for the rate! Scizor is an extremely tentative check to EKiller, though, and I think I'll keep Superpower for stuff like Ferrothorn and Blobs. Also, Ekillers are taking Overheat more and more lately... :(

If I changed the Arceus form, I'd have to change the team, since I built around it, but I'll play with that idea on another team.

Thanks for rate :D
 
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Strong team, I think you need RestToxic Palkia because you are pretty weak to defensive Kyogre and CM Wisp Water Arceus. I also like running max speed on CM Arceus so that you don't lose the speed ties or to things like Lucario. (although you need the bulk for Mega Blaze...) Otherwise, Dice's tutoring is paying off.

PS: Lack of Scarfer means you'll struggle a lot more with Darkrai and Mewtwo. The team can manage them but still pests and adding a Scarfer really isn't an option here. At best you could consider using standard Sect over Scizor and getting that extra Blaziken check but you get a lot more squishy vs Ekiller.
 
The complete inability to deal with stalltwo/Y outside of yveltal is worrisome. ;-; since once you lose yveltal, you instantly lose and it's hard for you to provide the pressure needed to keep it healthy.
 
The complete inability to deal with stalltwo/Y outside of yveltal is worrisome. ;-; since once you lose yveltal, you instantly lose and it's hard for you to provide the pressure needed to keep it healthy.

So he is gonna have to bring two counters to a threat that is semi rare? Yveltal 100 % shuts down stalltwo- it is sufficient. Stop looking for issues in builds that don't exist, you are clearly thinking in the wrong directions if you think stalltwo is a big threat to the team (hint: fireceus isn't 2hko'd and can't be burned too).

For the team, the lack of a status absorber is somewhat upsetting- use rest Palkia to give yourself some leeway vs sdef ogre. Fast and frail sweepers like Darkrai, MMY, MMX becomes exponentially dangerous without a scarfer- Xerneas could take on that role as your win condition is CM arceus anyway.

Ho-oh is by far the biggest threat to the team, and I would say you'd need major restructuring to handle that mon. As it is now, it gets free switch ins on Scizor and you have nothing to even remotely switch in. The problem is further amplified by having a groudon of your own, which powers up Ho-oh's attacks. 144 def Fireceus helps somewhat but its SR weakness and the fact that:
252+ Atk Life Orb Ho-Oh Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 144 Def Arceus-Fire: 237-281 (53.3 - 63.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock makes it a shaky check at best. In the same vein Ho-oh is a threat, Blaziken is. After an SR (which it can get on a -1 Scizor for example) it blows big holes in your team. Protect+3 atks also does big damage. To handle these I'd restructure the team to fit a physically defensive Ho-oh or Lugia somewhere, but it is quite unclear where. An option is Physically defensive ho-oh>yveltal which does similar things like taking on stalltwo. In the end I think Fire Arceus and its lack of synergy with the team holds you down and I'd probably get rid of it for a more potent forme (Electric could help with Ho-oh a bit better for example). Good luck!
 
Ummm doesn't HP Fire Xerneas kind of hurt this team? Most versions can easily live a BP from unboosted MegaZor provided it doesn't Geomancy in front of the Scizor (who does that anyway)

252+ Atk Technician Mega Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 152 HP / 0 Def Xerneas: 252-296 (58.4 - 68.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

and not to mention Moonblast 2HKOs Fireceus after SR (you also don't have defog :$)

+2 252 SpA Fairy Aura Xerneas Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Arceus-Fire: 178-210 (40 - 47.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

But apart from this weakness, Xerneas can't really easily get a boost on your team becuz of offensive presence. (and Yveltal Taunt lul)

Good team :)
 
very stall weak and cm arceus weak. you need to run rest sp def palkia to fix this, and even then, you are actually pretty palkia weak. xerneas cant switch in on lustrous palkia as its 2hkod. eplate lando also gives you a lot of trouble. its faster than most of your team and pressures your walls.

mega gar + anything gives you trouble because your team is so slow overall (its a balance so its basically just naturally rekt by mega gar). mega gar can remove palkia and then scarf ogre sweeps basically, it 2hkos scizor after SR and you dont have pursuit to pursuit trap it initially, etc. mega blaze is another threat if groudon takes any residual damage, i dont see hwo this team can deal with mega blaze + sd arc or other physical attacking cores.

you cant really fix this stuff either without using a non-shit arceus form, as much as i like arc fire ;/
 
My name is Swords Dance Arceus Ground.

Bad Player tip: having toxic on a random mon doesnt make you less weak to set up sweepers, you're still pretty weak to calm mind /sd arceus, rayquaza is also a threat. And Specs Kyogre can come in and take a soul.
 
So he is gonna have to bring two counters to a threat that is semi rare? Yveltal 100 % shuts down stalltwo- it is sufficient. Stop looking for issues in builds that don't exist, you are clearly thinking in the wrong directions if you think stalltwo is a big threat to the team (hint: fireceus isn't 2hko'd and can't be burned too).

For the team, the lack of a status absorber is somewhat upsetting- use rest Palkia to give yourself some leeway vs sdef ogre. Fast and frail sweepers like Darkrai, MMY, MMX becomes exponentially dangerous without a scarfer- Xerneas could take on that role as your win condition is CM arceus anyway.

Ho-oh is by far the biggest threat to the team, and I would say you'd need major restructuring to handle that mon. As it is now, it gets free switch ins on Scizor and you have nothing to even remotely switch in. The problem is further amplified by having a groudon of your own, which powers up Ho-oh's attacks. 144 def Fireceus helps somewhat but its SR weakness and the fact that:
252+ Atk Life Orb Ho-Oh Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 144 Def Arceus-Fire: 237-281 (53.3 - 63.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock makes it a shaky check at best. In the same vein Ho-oh is a threat, Blaziken is. After an SR (which it can get on a -1 Scizor for example) it blows big holes in your team. Protect+3 atks also does big damage. To handle these I'd restructure the team to fit a physically defensive Ho-oh or Lugia somewhere, but it is quite unclear where. An option is Physically defensive ho-oh>yveltal which does similar things like taking on stalltwo. In the end I think Fire Arceus and its lack of synergy with the team holds you down and I'd probably get rid of it for a more potent forme (Electric could help with Ho-oh a bit better for example). Good luck!

Hey, Hack, thanks especially for the EXTREMELY in-depth team rate! Just wondering - I thought of Lando-T (which was the original mon over Donner), but then my team loses valuable sun support for Fireceus - do you think it's worth it?

Changed GeoXern to ScarfXern, thanks for that suggestion, and, due to overwhelming response, listened to Dice and made Palkia ResToxic again >.<

Thank you guys for all the rates this far!

Fuck haruno
 
Hey, Hack, thanks especially for the EXTREMELY in-depth team rate! Just wondering - I thought of Lando-T (which was the original mon over Donner), but then my team loses valuable sun support for Fireceus - do you think it's worth it?

Changed GeoXern to ScarfXern, thanks for that suggestion, and, due to overwhelming response, listened to Dice and made Palkia ResToxic again >.<

Thank you guys for all the rates this far!

Fuck haruno
Thanks for ignoring every rate that made sense like cough donkey cough. Fuck sun support, fireceus sucks dick or at least the set you're using sucks. I can't see anything with such god awful coverage being worth wasting a team slot for or worse yet requiring incredibly limited support in sun. Using it just because it "abuses" sun is shit.

Landoge is shit as a ekiller/blaze answer and won't fix your problems against physical sweepers. You still lack the ability to break stall and palkia as an ogre check is pretty shitty considering you're forced to predict against specs ogre where you always lose a mon if you mispredict. Overall I feel the team
Needs large amount of changes to fix its inherent weakness to a good amount of threats. Not to mention web offense and any heavily offensive overwhelm you.

Ps ditch fireceus it's absolute shit on your team and only compounds your sr weakness

Edit;lmao at telling edgrr your solution to sd groundceus is fireceus.
 
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Thanks for ignoring every rate that made sense like cough donkey cough. Fuck sun support, fireceus sucks dick or at least the set you're using sucks. I can't see anything with such god awful coverage being worth wasting a team slot for or worse yet requiring incredibly limited support in sun. Using it just because it "abuses" sun is shit.

Landoge is shit as a ekiller/blaze answer and won't fix your problems against physical sweepers. You still lack the ability to break stall and palkia as an ogre check is pretty shitty considering you're forced to predict against specs ogre where you always lose a mon if you mispredict. Overall I feel the team
Needs large amount of changes to fix its inherent weakness to a good amount of threats. Not to mention web offense and any heavily offensive overwhelm you.

Ps ditch fireceus it's absolute shit on your team and only compounds your sr weakness
I love how you didn't even take the time to read all the edits that were put in my main post (E.G everything Donkey suggested) and still have time to bash me in a reply >.<

If you're going to criticize on an RMT, at least provide a suggestion to an alternative, y/y?
 
I love how you didn't even take the time to read all the edits that were put in my main post (E.G everything Donkey suggested) and still have time to bash me in a reply >.<

If you're going to criticize on an RMT, at least provide a suggestion to an alternative, y/y?
>listened to donkey
>kept fireceus.

No. Either way donkey named things that your team is weak to, those weaknesses still have not changed. In order for me to fix/edit this team I'll have to
Change enough that it'd break rmt rules.
 
Edit;lmao at telling edgrr your solution to sd groundceus is fireceus.

>listened to donkey
>kept fireceus.

No. Either way donkey named things that your team is weak to, those weaknesses still have not changed. In order for me to fix/edit this team I'll have to
Change enough that it'd break rmt rules.

wut

i only put that as a joke remark

are you seriously thinking I'd say that legitimately?.... don't answer that.

Donkey didn't tell me to ditch Fireceus, he told me to try to fix the weaknesses it provided (which are plentiful, but still).
 
haruno, stop being a fucking prick u shit

incase you didn't know, the difference between you and donkey is that you are just talking mad shit about things you don't have a grasp about. when edgar and donkey made their posts they at least brought up realistic weaknesses and you are just rambling about irrelevant stuff like how a team with a defoger and yveltal is especially weak to sticky webs (hint: it's not), how lando-t isn't a good blaze check etc. we don't need shit posts like that in the community
 
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Honestly this team's weakness probably lies within Lando-T. Its not there's anything wrong with it per se, its just that lacking reliable recovery outside of Leftovers makes it very prone to succumbing Pressure. This is made worse if the mon adding pressure is an Arceus form or something that Lando-T has a bit of trouble stopping. Its called a defensive pivot and not a wall for a reason ya know. It has trouble dealing with sweepers multiple times.

For such reasons this team if forced into a time limit if going against something with multiple physical sweepers or the like. For example: An Extremekiller Arceus coupled with a Blaziken could be potentially dangerous. Lando-T will likely get worn out dealing with both sweepers. By the time Extremekiller's dead its very very likely that Lando-t will lack the HP to deal with Blaziken. Hack is correct when he says Ho-oh is an issue for this reason too. Its very very hard to deal with Ho-oh because Lando-T can't really put it on a time limit since it needs no setup to sweep. In other words every time it comes in Lando-T will basically be forced to eat an Earthquake.

There's something similar going on with Special Sweepers (CM Arcs in particular, no seriously examine how your team handles CM Eleceus or Waterceus w/t Refresh), this lies more in there being nothing to tank special hits though. Admittedly you can challenge CM Arcs to a Calm Mind war but that is in no way a reliable way to check them.

I'm not really sure how to salvage the team of this issue though. Wish Support or another physical tank would help, but then again you already have some defense investment in Arceus-Fire. Honestly switching to a different Arceus form would probably fix this threat, but I'm not really sure seeing as it'd alter the entire structure of the team if I'd suggest that. Physically Defensive Yveltal could fix issues as well (reliable recovery in roost and can alleviate some pressure off of Lando-T) but again I'm not really sure how as that'd get rid of a stall breaker. Physically Defensive Yveltal with Taunt + Toxic can stall break to a degree though, but then Gliscor is hell.

The other minor nuisance this team faces lies in using Scizor to ward of hazards. Honestly Deoxys-S offense has a field day because of this in my opinion. Its not just that Scizor is the most unreliable defogger, its also that the team is designed almost to be annoyed by Stealth Rock. Yveltal will be forced to rely on Oblivion Wing a lot more often and Stealth Rock will make Arceus-Fire want to recover more often which could give a Kyogre a chance to switch in and pretty much force it out.

The reason Donkey said "Palkia weak" is not just because its hard to switch stuff into Palkia, since it KOes much it can use Dragon Tail and initiate even MORE shuffling, which again is a major nuisance if stuff like hazards is up.

The best way to deal with this again lies with using another Arceus form, or at the very least finding a way to limit how many hazards things like Deoxys and Klefki can setup outside of Scizor.

Despite how harsh this rate sounds, this team is really nice actually. Its just got some very very strange structure issues that hamper it in my opinion. Like it looks like you want to be offensive but then are too slow and are leaning towards stall... I DON'T KNOW.

Good Job Krauersaut . Dice you did very well P:.
 
Come on now hack, personal insults are a good way to improve your argument or whatnot. (Hint they're not) not to mention just because you don't use something/common doesn't mean it's not relevant. I expected better from you tsk. W/e anyways onto shit that your team needs fixing on.

Defensive cm ogre, you have no way of dealing with it. Sets up on lando/Zor/Kia/fireceus with ease. The only thing that isn't set up bait is yveltal who fails to 2hko with sucker punch while ogre shrugs off everything after a cm. God forbid someone saying fireceus is staying in on ogre. Inb4uncommon/irrelevant

Physical sweepers not ground weak are a pain in the ass since you have no real way of dealing with them.

You're still stall and cm arceus weak which donkey pointed out.

Fireceus is still shit and provides nothing to team besides being a "setup" sweeper that has little to no opportunities to set up thanks to totally shit typing + unable to apply pressure.

Scizor as a defogger is also incredibly awk for your team thanks to the fact that your team does not obtain the free turns needed for Zor to defog safely and Zor itself has difficulties switching in.

What I said before still applies. Your team is still easily overwhelmed by heavy offense and lacks the power needed to effectively break stall.

Despite what polop said, landoge isn't the problem, it's the goddamn fireceus.
 
Krau! I was hesitant to rate this team before (outside of recommending SpD Kia), since I don't have much experience with it. After having used the team for a bit though, I think I have an idea of what needs to be changed. I won't change fireceus since that is clearly the inspiration behind the team.

Main team weaknesses:
- Palkia. This is weakness #1. Nothing is switching into this ATM except Scarf Xern that has limited health. You don't even have sun support to weaken that HPump now. It has to be underscored how Palkia weak this team is without something that can switch into it reliably.
- CM Eleceus: can set up on the better part of your team and eventually overwhelm you. CM Waterceus is lesser seen but is incredibly threatening as well
- Ho-oh: SR alone can keep it in check but it can do a number on most of your team members. Not a HUGE weakness especially since you replaced groudon but nonetheless very significant.

Changes:
Clefable > Scarf Xern
Patches up the first 2 problems while still retaining your fairy-type. CM arceus can be checked somewhat with unaware. Sylveon can handle Palkia, but falls to CM arceus.

Phydef Ho-Oh > Yveltal
Credit goes to hack for bringing this up first. LO Yveltal is cool but dispensable on this team IMO. Like Yveltal, phydef Ho-oh can help you with m2y but it also handles opposing Ho-oh and blaze much better and can check ekiller without rocks.

So yeah these 2 changes would probably help quite a bit. Kia stays SpD ofc, the utility it provides against support arc and some CM arc and longevity against ogre is invaluable. You now become MMX weak, but depending on its set Lando/Clefable should be able to handle it (ok not exactly but somewhat...). Scizor as a defogger seems ok to me, it gets many opportunities to use the move although scizor is admittedly a suboptimal defogging candidate.

Good luck bud, I like that this is the first decent fireceus team I've seen. And MUTE... LGI. :]
 
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Krau! I was hesitant to rate this team before (outside of recommending SpD Kia), since I don't have much experience with it. After having used the team for a bit though, I think I have an idea of what needs to be changed. I won't change fireceus since that is clearly the inspiration behind the team.

Main team weaknesses:
- Palkia. This is weakness #1. Nothing is switching into this ATM except Scarf Xern that has limited health. You don't even have sun support to weaken that HPump now. It has to be underscored how Palkia weak this team is without something that can switch into it reliably.
- CM Eleceus: can set up on the better part of your team and eventually overwhelm you. CM Waterceus is lesser seen but is incredibly threatening as well
- Ho-oh: SR alone can keep it in check but it can do a number on most of your team members. Not a HUGE weakness especially since you replaced groudon but nonetheless very significant.

Changes:
Clefable > Scarf Xern
Patches up the first 2 problems while still retaining your fairy-type. CM arceus can be checked somewhat with unaware. Sylveon can handle Palkia, but falls to CM arceus.

Phydef Ho-Oh > Yveltal
Credit goes to hack for bringing this up first. LO Yveltal is cool but dispensable on this team IMO. Like Yveltal, phydef Ho-oh can help you with m2y but it also handles opposing Ho-oh and blaze much better and can check ekiller without rocks.

So yeah these 2 changes would probably help quite a bit. Kia stays SpD ofc, the utility it provides against support arc and some CM arc and longevity against ogre is invaluable. You now become MMX weak, but depending on its set Lando/Clefable should be able to handle it (ok not exactly but somewhat...). Scizor as a defogger seems ok to me, it gets many opportunities to use the move although scizor is admittedly a suboptimal defogging candidate.

Good luck bud, I like that this is the first decent fireceus team I've seen. And MUTE... LGI. :]
thanks for the rate <3

Will change Scarf Xern to Clefable and will update OP when not too lazy. :D

I'll keep Yveltal, though - the team really benefits (hell, it NEEDS) the wallbreaking power.
 
ok so i briefly read some of the above comments and I have to say, some people need to stop being a complete jerk. I mean wtf, no it is not stall-two weak not to mention how you have a yveltal that takes 100% care of a semi-rare threat. "Physical sweeper are threat" he has a Landorus hello, does every team needs a dead on Physical wall like Skarmory to be effective? lol. If your opponent has multiple physical sweeper trying to overwhelm lando, you should play accordingly. If you are going to bash somebody teams without providing any constructive criticism, do not do it, it does not make you cool it makes you a troll.

Hack's rates are good listen to them. Donkey's rate also makes some sense.
 
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