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ORAS OU Mega-Evolved Pokemons Tierlist

I ranked the mega evolved mons based on how good i feel they are in general, in current meta and based on my preferences / playstyle.
Been competing in ORAS since 2019 World Cup and my beliefs on megas although it has changed abit for many, it hasn't changed for the best two megas in the tier, Metagross & Medicham.

Mega Metagross i feel is objectively the number 1 mega of all time, its the perfect pokemon it has everything u need in a pokemon, its stats are out of this world, it can do literally everything u need. Moveset, stats, typing, speedtier, fits all kinds of teams, theres no other pokemon like Mega Metagross and if you not using it u giga troll. You can adjust its EVs cuz with abit HP is insanely bulky, u do pursuit trap combos oldschool with keldeo, u can do priority + hazards which is incredible vs offense, if u get the right moveset for the correct matchup its just unstoppable. I have it paired with Mega Medicham in S tier and i do consider both megas elite but different.
Mega Medicham is also extremely good and can do aton of things but only offensively. The reason u would go Medicham over Metagross is because u value for whatever reason Medicham's Superior breaking and hard hitting value at the cost of not providing for your team the defensive utilities Metagross provides. For me its perfect, i play hella aggressive with my hitters, i like to do heavy reads or punish hard stall and ho abusers so when stall is loaded and dude relies on his Altaria or Zapdos to deal with fighting type atks i laugh 2koing them with HJK then Zen Icepunch the rest of their ugly team, same vs offense when i face that and dudes trynna cheese me with aerodactyls and SD weaviles but i have double god tier priority from Medicham its my favourite thing.

Next i have Mega Diancie, i think the pokemon is super solid, it does different things than the megas i talked above. I dont think its in the same tier with how much value Metagross or Medicham provides compared to it but it does very useful stuff both offensively and defensively so with proper teambuilding you can end up making extremely solid teams.

Mega Alakazam is obviously super fast and super strong, i rarely see trace being v useful and i hate to rely on Focus Blast for getting value, i much rather rely on HJK Medicham hitting which is more accurate and punishes things super hard. Offensively tho Alakazam is impressive, i dont use this mon much its not my style but i can appreciate what it do for a team.

Mega Venusaur is a pokemon i have v high in my head and i damn appreciate what it do for a team. It softchecks a shit ton of threats, hard checks a bunch of others and its a defensive pokemon with Sleep Powder so i dont lose my momentum. Im not into Growth type of shit, i think it has its place vs some matchups and scouts but generally Sleep is broken, use it.

Mega Latias CM is scary and with the correct set (coverage or reflect type etc) it can destroy whole teams. Provides alot of utility for the defensive cores, i hate to use pursuit weak Megas tho, i find that to be giga matchup fish and yeah u can get the correct play and either switch or twave vs crunch or pursuit turn vs Tyranitar but i think u have no real control of it and u are not rly good if u get that play right honestly. Its basically 50/50 that i have no control of and i just guess oppo is feeling Pursuit over Crunch this turn so i punish him with Twave, i dont do that shit.

Mega Gyarados is the face of HO, its single best Hyper Offensive Pokémon and it should be respected. Also if it flinches your Keldeo or whatever u are goobed on the spot.


All Pokemons in the B tier are i think good and should be used based on the structure of the team you going for.

All the Pokemons in the C tier i think are not good and shouldn't be used but they CAN be used successfully. Swampert rain teams can be good, Aerodactyl is not a great OU mon by all means but it has a few things going on for it. Garchomp is just bad, only advantage is the tiny bit of spdef more it has vs hp ice and no LO recoil for its massive dmg to kill back things like Thundurus.. so maybe in sand. Pidgeot more offensive but worse Tornadus, very situational. Sceptile i think has a niche, its not awful rly. Aggron is fat and stally. Houndoum is fast Charizard but worse. Blastoise has rapid spin..
Sharpedo can be scary, its fast after speedboost and strong. U not allowed to switch tho or use it defensively at all, i dont see rly a reason to use it over Gyarados but if u like sharks. Absol is not him, i dont see what it do over Diancie as magic bouncer. It has strong dark type atks and good but weak coverage so maybe u could use it if u are erz. Beedrill is fast and strong but rocks weak and 0 defensive utility. If you know oppo is gonna tspikes you maybe?

All Pokemons in D tier i rly think they shouldn't be used in a serious battle. You can make fun teams with them that feel kindof successful and flow well but u using those mons over Metagross so remember that.
 
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From my previous VR list,
Noteable rises
- Mega Metagross being the best mon.
- Mega Tyranitar the 3rd best mega
- Mega Venusaur the 4th
- Keldeo the best water type
- Tyranitar and Ferrothorn at A+. CB Tyranitar is just insanely good. Ferrothorn has been getting better in my eyes.
- Cresselia now at A
- Chansey, Blissey, and Skarmory A from A-. Same viability I just think they are very good.
- Amoonguss at A. Insanely good Pokemon
- Mega Charizard X, Mega Gyarados, Mega Scizor, and Mega Latias sitting well
- Kyurem-Black at A-, this mon is getting really splashable
- Mega Garchomp at B+, this is probably the best Mega Garchomp has ever been
- Scolipede and Crawdaunt at B+, I'm very high on both of thee mons rn
- Mega Manectric, a mon I used to hate, is a mon I really like now.

Noteable drops
- Mega Diancie dropping a little bit. I think with the rise of Mega Venusaur and Amoonguss and Mega Metagross it's worse but still very good
- Mega Lopunny no longer a top 5 mega
- Tornadus no longer an S- or A+ mon
- Terrakion, Azumarill, Diggersby, Scizor, Gengar, Victini, Infernape, etc. - All good mons but pretty niche

EVERYONE, ORAS 2025 VR has begun. The mod team will start working on updating it with the help of notable ORAS members. However, anyone is welcome to join the fun.

Here: https://tiermaker.com/create/oras-2025-vr-18061263
 
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From my previous VR list,
Noteable rises
- Mega Metagross being the best mon.
- Mega Tyranitar the 3rd best mega
- Mega Venusaur the 4th
- Keldeo the best water type
- Tyranitar and Ferrothorn at A+. CB Tyranitar is just insanely good. Ferrothorn has been getting better in my eyes.
- Cresselia now at A
- Chansey, Blissey, and Skarmory A from A-. Same viability I just think they are very good.
- Amoonguss at A. Insanely good Pokemon
- Mega Charizard X, Mega Gyarados, Mega Scizor, and Mega Latias sitting well
- Kyurem-Black at A-, this mon is getting really splashable
- Mega Garchomp at B+, this is probably the best Mega Garchomp has ever been
- Scolipede and Crawdaunt at B+, I'm very high on both of thee mons rn
- Mega Manectric, a mon I used to hate, is a mon I really like now.

Noteable drops
- Mega Diancie dropping a little bit. I think with the rise of Mega Venusaur and Amoonguss and Mega Metagross it's worse but still very good
- Mega Lopunny no longer a top 5 mega
- Tornadus no longer an S- or A+ mon
- Terrakion, Azumarill, Diggersby, Scizor, Gengar, Victini, Infernape, etc. - All good mons but pretty niche

EVERYONE, ORAS 2025 VR has begun. The mod team will start working on updating it with the help of notable ORAS members. However, anyone is welcome to join the fun.

Here: https://tiermaker.com/create/oras-2025-vr-18061263

cheers and rejoicing heard all over as guys like zangoose and co. are no longer present to delude and misinform the masses
 
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-I think weavile is op, it fulfills every niche you could possibly want out of an offensive mon. It has(limited) defensive utility but its there, can stallbreak and wallbreak, counts as very solid speed control since its fast and also has stab prio, and it can bypass learned counterplay by running sd and being able to switch moves(extremely potent vs all these sand structures gaining traction). It does all of that without wasting a mega slot, which to me is the biggest factor. You can fit weavile on every single team of every single archetype and you can load it into 6 counters and i bet it would still not be something you consider useless on team preview. I think it just barely loses to mega metagross despite the mega slot thing just due to how many sets metagross can run. This isnt a call for a suspect or anything as i dont think that will ever happen im mostly just nerding out but i think weavile is arguably the best mon in the tier.

-The rest of S ranks to me are pokemon that warp teambuilding around itself in an overwhelming way, clef has been kinda falling out of favor for people it seems because people ignore its versatility, same for gliscor who is also capable of running many effective sets i think standard ass sd facade can just outlast so many teams that have supposed counterplay to it, i always find myself worrying about it extensively in the teambuilder tho i can i see how people who favor special offense(think manaphy volc serp screens kinda thing) might disagree on that. vrs are subjective after all

-A special mention to cresselia on A rank and could possibly be even higher as an extremely unique playstyle enabler, those lunar dance offenses that make fantastic use of cresselias bulk to switch into anti offense mons like lopunny over the course of a match and bring threatening sweepers back to life, it does this job imo much better than latias does and if it didnt exist i think an entire archetype would be gone with it somewhat

-Hippo good, mew good, crawdaunt good(av is war crimes)

-Skarm > ferro as the spike setter for balance imo and blissey has way more use cases over chansey than people seemingly give it credit for

-Yes i think regular latios is unviable but mega latios isnt idk what to say these are matters of the heart

Hope more people share their VRs as these are fun to look at and nerd out, just keep in mind that absolutely nobody can know what ranks are right or wrong and these things are very subjective and full os biases so like be nice and normal about it

Been having a good time playing oras recently since invitational and i really enjoy the advancements we were able to do in it, 4-5 spl record is not something i am happy with but theres also more interest in this tier than i have ever seen since current gen was over right now and the field is very competitive which is a good thing and i hope this continues to be the case

Hf to everyone whos gonna participate in wcop i will be watching the games and judging you silently :heart:
 
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From my previous VR list,
Noteable rises
- Mega Metagross being the best mon.
- Mega Tyranitar the 3rd best mega
- Mega Venusaur the 4th
- Keldeo the best water type
- Tyranitar and Ferrothorn at A+. CB Tyranitar is just insanely good. Ferrothorn has been getting better in my eyes.
- Cresselia now at A
- Chansey, Blissey, and Skarmory A from A-. Same viability I just think they are very good.
- Amoonguss at A. Insanely good Pokemon
- Mega Charizard X, Mega Gyarados, Mega Scizor, and Mega Latias sitting well
- Kyurem-Black at A-, this mon is getting really splashable
- Mega Garchomp at B+, this is probably the best Mega Garchomp has ever been
- Scolipede and Crawdaunt at B+, I'm very high on both of thee mons rn
- Mega Manectric, a mon I used to hate, is a mon I really like now.

Noteable drops
- Mega Diancie dropping a little bit. I think with the rise of Mega Venusaur and Amoonguss and Mega Metagross it's worse but still very good
- Mega Lopunny no longer a top 5 mega
- Tornadus no longer an S- or A+ mon
- Terrakion, Azumarill, Diggersby, Scizor, Gengar, Victini, Infernape, etc. - All good mons but pretty niche

EVERYONE, ORAS 2025 VR has begun. The mod team will start working on updating it with the help of notable ORAS members. However, anyone is welcome to join the fun.

Here: https://tiermaker.com/create/oras-2025-vr-18061263
New Ruffles VR? That means my opinion has changed!
 
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This one was really tough for me to make, especially w/ my newer understanding of this gen as a whole, so let me defend some of my takes starting w/ all the S-tier mons.

S-tiers in my mind are always pokes who have infinite splashability or seldom have a match where they are useless. Excedrill has infinite splashability b/c it lets you get away with so many things all because you have a spinner. Serp can run w/e and you don't know what until its too late. Weavile is my second mega slot

A-tier picks man, garchomp is probably the single best ground type and its not even funny. 4mss is tough, but you can mold your team so you can run what you want. Keldeo is still scary, the only thing that's fallen off is its choice specs set. These are all pokes who I'd dare to argue rival S-tiers but have very clear limits in what you can do with them. Btw, clef is in A b/c I think its a mon you have to build with in mind, also b/c its rock sets make me sad where I want a million moves. Cm is still amazing, but clef is a mon you have to think about building w/, not something you slap in.

B+ picks are all just as good as the A- but their splashability is greatly limited, and that's a lot of what's decided my rankings on what I actually do know, is their splashability/effectiveness. I've really warmed up to chansey as a glue on fat/semistall and its amazing. Cress, I have to disagree w/ you ruffles, it's b/c latias can defog and is a dragon, its more widely seen on offense than cress w/ its lunar dance, it also doesn't put you in an awkward situation w/ drill. Ferro, still goated but not a mon you splash in but mindfully build with. All the B-picks follow a similar mindset with their restriction being greater but having a very noticable impact in the games you bring them in.

B- and C-tier mons are all pokes I know have a niche, but are either one-trick ponies or just can't live up to what you want them to do like m-alt. Same w/ tang, they both just promise so much and fall flat on their backs. Anyways, I only ranked mons I actively had experience with using.
 
S-tiers in my mind are always pokes who have infinite splashability or seldom have a match where they are useless. Excedrill has infinite splashability b/c it lets you get away with so many things all because you have a spinner. Serp can run w/e and you don't know what until its too late. Weavile is my second mega slot
Ok but are you going to explain the washing machine in the room? Rotom Wash is good but is it really S (neutral) tier let alone S- tier?

Edit: Also I will make my own list dw
 
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Zam still is best mega and best special breaker in my mind, corvage can conclude all metagame and decent speed can revenge kill almost everything, last slot is flexable and everymove can give opp surprise.
Metagross also good as Zam, both ada/jolly have advantage, pup gross is pretty good.
SD Chomp is really good because it can find many chance to SD and break many standard defense core
Spikes are good so i make Skarm/Ferro both high, Skarm have big advantage into Gross/Chomp and make hazard put earlier, flying type also can deal exca better, Ferro is easier fit into many team and can be good manaphy switch in.
SD Talon is underrated, with decent 120 bp priority and wisp, it is crazy in late games, SpDef Stallbreaker set also can did well.
Heracross is good, with decent bulk, it can trade HP and kill many mons.
I hate Mega Latias, although it have decent bulk, it also too weak status and pursuit and these thing are spread in everywhere, not like cress always fit in offense because it's very good bulk can allow it para many mons, Mega Latias can't make team more aggresive, in most time, Mega Latias always fit in fat team and make team more passive and hard to defensive counterattack, now i want trying offense cm set, but it also can't solve Mega Latias's two main issue.
 
I've been away from ORAS and pokemon in general for a while. This might not be the right place to ask this, can someone explain the rises of mvenu and mttar. the last time i was really active in oras, mttar was seen as a solid but not excellent mega and venu a rather niche option.
 
I've been away from ORAS and pokemon in general for a while. This might not be the right place to ask this, can someone explain the rises of mvenu and mttar. the last time i was really active in oras, mttar was seen as a solid but not excellent mega and venu a rather niche option.
Soft meta changes like that are really hard to explain, but here's a couple pointers

Mega Venusaur: The discovery of Modest, Knock Off + Double stabs, or Growth + Double stabs have all been incredible. Turns out Mega Venusaur is already bulky enough without needing to go Bold or Calm, and with Modest can hit surprisingly strong. With Knock Off, it can cripple many of its traditional checks such as Chansey, Tornadus, and Heatran. With Growth, it can 6-0 most stalls alone or put tons of pressure.

It is also just a good defensive check to what is popular in the meta - Keldeo, Thundurus, Serperior, Mega Diancie and so on. Although it is very hard to fit, facing it feels difficult to eliminate and take advantage of.

Mega Tyranitar: It is an incredible anti-offense mon. For example, it can switch into Dragonite (and remove Multiscale with Sand), Volcarona, and Weavile, and so on, live a hit and KO back, all without any investment in defenses or HP. If max HP, it can do crazy stuff like live +3 timid manaphy's surf from full. Not to mention it provides sand which is incredible for sand rush excadrill doubling even more as anti offense. All of this in the backdrop of it having both Dragon Dance and Taunt, which are incredible moves for any Pokemon to have. Although it is outsped by Mega Lopunny at +1 speed, mega lopunny is seeing a big drop in usage. Mega Aalakazam has to hit Focus Blast, and other scarfers either do not have high usage anymore or struggle to revenge kill. Taunt 3 attacks or taunt rocks + 2 attacks is also really strong into slower teams.

TL;DR: both are stat checkers that live strong hits and hit strong. They are incredible anti offense tools that can also be used versus slower teams
 
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- When assessing ORAS OU, the major progression that seems to be the staple among most teams is the reliance on wallbreakers. To me, team building seems to stem from what flavor of wallbreaker you're building around, and how to structure the team to handle the main offensive threats like Weavile, Volcarona, Glare (Serperior), Manaphy, Metagross, and Alakazam. Lum Berry even more popular of an item, which allows for setup mons like Volcarona, Dragonite, and your own Serperior to take full advantage of.

- With the rise of Sub Keldeo, Keldeo has set a strong benchmark. Specs alone had more options to play around, but Sub Keldeo punishes many threats, and takes advantage of twave/trick support. Slowbro is much less of a threat, since you need reliance on psychic to break sub. Cresselia teams are also often required to run psyshock move over icebeam, to prevent getting setup on.

***- Rotom-W in my opinion is in a really strong position currently, which I believe is overlooked. While scarf Rotom can heavily get punished by misreading turns, the weight of having Trick, Volt momentum, and pressuring with Hydro can't be overlooked. Trick allows for you to punish most team comps, punishing balance and stall structures, while still threatening offensive structures with volt switch. Even though trick helps you punish mons like Clef, Slowbro, Garchomp, Hippow and Ferro, mons like Serperior, Zapdos, Thundurus, hate being trick locked as well. It does a solid job at handling the popular Cress/Drill/Volcanion teams compositions, and if you take a look at the new Sample Teams, you can see how trick rotom threatens each team presented. https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/oras-ou-sample-teams.3762173/


- As the year continues forward, I expect an increase usage with mons like the lati twins, despite the threat that Weavile has on the metagame. Historically Serperior's usage was less explored in the earlier years of ORAS, and in part I believe that it was heavily due to the increase usage of Torn-T and the Lati twins. These mons still do not appreciate getting glared, but their value on bulky offensive teams are still something to look into.

-And finally, I have to acknowledge once again the value that Crawdaunt brings. Dark/Water has little switchins to cover in the tier, but one of the best sets that I've come to appreciate is Dragon Dance Craw with either Splash/Dread Plate. Adamant Splash allows for you to have better calcs against max defensive Clef, which you can apply chip towards in the mid game to guarantee KO's, along with securing KO's on defensive Zap, especially when rocks are present. Dread Plate helps to hit alot of mons neutrally such as Rotom, Ferrothorn, and Serperior on predicted switchins. Bulky Sword Dance variations are also great, allowing for you to tank clefs moonblast, along with defensive rotom/zap volt switch.
 
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My own personal VR, after posting this I felt like I ranked starmie two low, rapid spin and twave support could mean something to support other mons, scizor also could be a bit higher ig.
Anyways feel free to dm me on discord if any doubts and also a reminder to not shitpost in the thread
 
Hello all, after seeing the tierlists above i wanted to do some omega nerd shit and get all the information from all tierlists in this thread since rufflespro's original post and use AI to get the average of all tierlists and have an as 'objective' as possible tierlist. I'll leave complete ranking down below aswell as the scores each mon scored.
to explain the format in short: S rank gives 1 point, S- rank gives 2 points and A+ gives 3 points. and so on to where i get the average score of the mons.
All mons in the tierlist are listed in order of highest to lowest.
once again thanks to Leroipolux1 & AI for helping me and i hope you guys look at it and have a giggle or call it stupid


Mega Metagross: 1.3
Mega Alakazam: 1.5
Serperior: 1.6
Excadrill: 1.6
Clefable: 1.7
Weavile: 2
Thunderus 2.3
Tornadus: 2.9
Garchomp: 2.9
Mega Lopunny: 3
Volcanion: 3
Rotom-Wash: 3
Manaphy: 3
Volcarona: 3.1
Keldeo: 3.25
Zapdos: 3.3
Mega Diancie: 3.4
Mega Tyranitar: 3.4
Tyranitar: 3.5
Gliscor: 3.5
Mega Venusaur: 3.6
Heatran: 3.8
Bisharp: 3.8
Mega Medicham: 3.8
Skarmory 3.9
Ferrothorn: 4
Mega CharY: 4.2
Slowbro: 4.2
Chansey 4.2
Landorus: 4.3
Cresselia: 4.4
Mega Gallade: 4.6
Mega Gyarados: 4.7
Dragonite: 4.8
Mega Scizor 4.8
Mega Latias: 4.8
Kyurem Black: 4.8
Mega CharX: 5
Talonflame 5
Cofagrigus: 5.2
Mega Gardevoir 5.3
Bliseey 5.4
Latias: 5.6
Amoongus: 5.6
Mega Slowbro: 5.7
Hippowdon: 5.7
Cloyster 5.8
Mega Pinsir: 5.8
Mew: 5.8
Gastrodon: 5.9
Crawdaunt 5.9
Thunderus Therian 6
Mega Manectric: 6.1
Quagsire: 6.2
Suicune: 6.2
Mega Altaria: 6.3
Scolipede: 6.5
Mega Heracross: 6.6
Azumarill: 6.7
Magnezone: 6.7
Diggersby: 7
Kyurem: 7
Mega Latios: 7
Alomomola: 7.2
Latios: 7.2
Reuniclus: 7.2
Jirachi: 7.3
Gengar: 7.3
Azelf: 7.4
Starmie: 7.5
Gyarados: 7.5
Tangrowth 7.7
Jellicent: 7.7
Mega Aggron: 7.7
Breloom 7.9
Mega Aerodactyl: 8.2
Scizor: 8.4
Mega Sharpedo: 8.7

In this one i do wanna give away that some changes that the differences in formats in the tierlists might cause slight changes in the averages of some of the mons, there is also a possiblity we made a small mistake or typo and gave a mon more or less points than it should have.
Notable changes: Savouras's tierlist has 7 slots instead of 10, Fated Keys tierlist has a seperate tier for keldeo: this gives keldeo 2.5 points from his ratings since its in between S- & A+, KlefkiHolder's tierlist has 12 slots instead of 10, ACR1's tierlist has 9 slots instead of 10

Mega Metagross: 1 1 1 3 1 1 1 2 1 1Mega Alakazam: 1 3 1 3 1 1 1 1 2 1Serperior: 1 2 1 2 1 2 2 2 2 1 Weavile: 2 2 1 1 2 3 2 3 2 2 Tornadus: 4 1 3 2 3 3 3 5 3 2 Excadrill: 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 3 1 1 Clefable: 2 1 2 4 1 2 1 1 1 2Mega Tyranitar: 2 4 3 5 2 4 4 4 3 3 Mega Venusaur: 3 2 3 6 4 4 4 5 3 2 Mega Diancie: 3 2 4 5 3 4 4 4 2 3 Mega Medicham: 3 1 5 6 3 3 4 5 4 4 Mega Lopunny: 3 4 3 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 Zapdos: 3 3 3 5 3 3 2 4 4 3

Keldeo: 3 2 3 5 3 2.5 3 5 4 2 Volcanion: 3 2 3 4 4 3 2 4 3 2 Rotom-Wash: 3 3 4 1 3 3 2 4 4 3 Manaphy: 3 3 2 5 3 3 2 3 4 2 Volcarona: 3 2 3 5 3 3 3 5 2 2 Garchomp: 3 2 3 3 3 3 2 4 4 2 Tyranitar: 3 3 4 5 3 4 3 3 5 2Gliscor: 3 3 2 6 5 4 3 3 3 3Thunderus 2 1 3 3 2 1 3 3 3 2Ferrothorn: 3 3 4 6 4 5 4 4 3 4 Mega Gallade: 4 5 4 5 5 4 4 7 4 4 Mega Gyarados: 4 3 7 7 4 5 4 6 3 4 Mega CharY: 4 4 4 6 4 4 4 4 4 4Mega CharX: 5 5 5 7 5 6 5 4 3 5Mega Latias: 3 3 3 7 7 6 4 6 4 5Cresselia: 4 4 6 4 4 4 4 6 3 5 Bisharp: 4 3 4 4 4 4 3 4 4 4 Chansey 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 5 3 4 Bliseey 4 5 4 5 4 6 6 8 7 5 Skarmory 4 4 3 6 4 4 3 4 4 3 Amoongus: 4 4 6 7 4 5 6 8 6 6 Mega Scizor 5 4 5 7 5 4 5 5 4 4Mega Gardevoir 5 5 6 8 5 4 5 8 3 4 Kyurem Black: 5 5 4 6 5 4 4 6 5 4 Landorus: 5 4 4 5 5 4 4 3 5 4 Hippowdon: 5 5 6 8 4 6 4 6 8 5 Dragonite: 5 5 4 5 4 4 6 5 5 Heatran: 5 2 3 4 4 4 4 4 4 4Cloyster 5 6 5 6 5 5 5 8 6 7 Cofagrigus: 5 4 4 6 5 5 6 7 4 6Mega Pinsir: 6 5 5 6 5 6 6 7 6Mega Slowbro: 6 5 6 6 5 6 Crawdaunt 6 5 6 7 6 4 6 7 6 Talonflame 6 5 5 7 4 5 5 3 Thunderus Therian 6 5 7 7 6 5 5 9 5 5 Quagsire: 6 5 6 7 6 7 5 8 6 6Mew: 6 5 6 7 6 5 5 7 5 6 Gastrodon: 6 5 5 7 6 7 5 7 5 6
Mega Manectric: 7 4 5 7 5 7 9 5 6 Mega Heracross: 7 5 8 6 6 6 8 5 8Mega Altaria: 7 4 8 8 8 6 5 8 5 4 Alomomola: 7 5 8 8 7 8 6 9 7 Latias: 7, 4, 6, 4, 6, 6, 5, 6 6 Latios: 7, 4, 10, 7, 8, 6, 6, 7 10 Gyarados: 7, 6, 9, 7, 9, 6, 8 8

Kyurem: 7, 5, 8, 9, 7, 6, 6, 9 6 Scolipede: 6, 5, 7, 7, 7, 6, 9 5 Suicune: 7 5 5 8 7 7 5 8 5 5 Gengar: 7 6 6 8 7 8 9 6 9 Azelf: 7 5 8 9 8 6 6 10 8 7 Mega Sharpedo: 8 5 10 10 7 10 9 10 9 Mega Aggron: 8 5 9 9 8 6 9 8 7 Mega Aerodactyl: 8 5 10 8 8 8 7 9 9 10 Mega Latios: 7 5 10 8 7 6 7 9 4 7 Jellicent: 8 5 7 9 8 8 6 9 8 9Reuniclus: 8 5 7 8 9 7 6 8 8 6 Starmie: 8 5 8 8 8 6 7 8 7 10Diggersby: 8 6 8 7 8 5 6 9 6 Azumarill: 8 5 7 6 7 6 6 7 7 8 Magnezone: 9 5 5 7 9 6 6 6 7 7 Jirachi: 9 9 6 7 9 6 5 Scizor: 9 6 9 9 8 8 9 8 10 Breloom 10 5 8 9 8 6 7 9 10 7 Tangrowth 10 7 8 8 7 6 8 7 8
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I would like to mention that I added Politoed to the vr because it was inexplicably absent from the original template (Ruffles the Politoed stans are coming for you) and that Mega Garchomp's ranking is not completely solidified thanks to my recent discovery of mixed Mega Garchomp. Besides that enjoy and feel free to ask questions about any of the mons I ranked.
 
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I would like to mention that I added Politoed to the vr because it was inexplicably absent from the original template (Ruffles the Politoed stans are coming for you) and that Mega Garchomp's ranking is not completely solidified thanks to my recent discovery of mixed Mega Garchomp. Besides that enjoy and feel free to ask questions about any of the mons I ranked.
we have ultrasword's takes on VR before gta 6..
also, how is sword's VR miles clear of mr oras mod alpha's vr?
 
Hello all, after seeing the tierlists above i wanted to do some omega nerd shit and get all the information from all tierlists in this thread since rufflespro's original post and use AI to get the average of all tierlists and have an as 'objective' as possible tierlist. I'll leave complete ranking down below aswell as the scores each mon scored.
to explain the format in short: S rank gives 1 point, S- rank gives 2 points and A+ gives 3 points. and so on to where i get the average score of the mons.
All mons in the tierlist are listed in order of highest to lowest.
once again thanks to Leroipolux1 & AI for helping me and i hope you guys look at it and have a giggle or call it stupid


Mega Metagross: 1.3
Mega Alakazam: 1.5
Serperior: 1.6
Excadrill: 1.6
Clefable: 1.7
Weavile: 2
Thunderus 2.3
Tornadus: 2.9
Garchomp: 2.9
Mega Lopunny: 3
Volcanion: 3
Rotom-Wash: 3
Manaphy: 3
Volcarona: 3.1
Keldeo: 3.25
Zapdos: 3.3
Mega Diancie: 3.4
Mega Tyranitar: 3.4
Tyranitar: 3.5
Gliscor: 3.5
Mega Venusaur: 3.6
Heatran: 3.8
Bisharp: 3.8
Mega Medicham: 3.8
Skarmory 3.9
Ferrothorn: 4
Mega CharY: 4.2
Slowbro: 4.2
Chansey 4.2
Landorus: 4.3
Cresselia: 4.4
Mega Gallade: 4.6
Mega Gyarados: 4.7
Dragonite: 4.8
Mega Scizor 4.8
Mega Latias: 4.8
Kyurem Black: 4.8
Mega CharX: 5
Talonflame 5
Cofagrigus: 5.2
Mega Gardevoir 5.3
Bliseey 5.4
Latias: 5.6
Amoongus: 5.6
Mega Slowbro: 5.7
Hippowdon: 5.7
Cloyster 5.8
Mega Pinsir: 5.8
Mew: 5.8
Gastrodon: 5.9
Crawdaunt 5.9
Thunderus Therian 6
Mega Manectric: 6.1
Quagsire: 6.2
Suicune: 6.2
Mega Altaria: 6.3
Scolipede: 6.5
Mega Heracross: 6.6
Azumarill: 6.7
Magnezone: 6.7
Diggersby: 7
Kyurem: 7
Mega Latios: 7
Alomomola: 7.2
Latios: 7.2
Reuniclus: 7.2
Jirachi: 7.3
Gengar: 7.3
Azelf: 7.4
Starmie: 7.5
Gyarados: 7.5
Tangrowth 7.7
Jellicent: 7.7
Mega Aggron: 7.7
Breloom 7.9
Mega Aerodactyl: 8.2
Scizor: 8.4
Mega Sharpedo: 8.7

In this one i do wanna give away that some changes that the differences in formats in the tierlists might cause slight changes in the averages of some of the mons, there is also a possiblity we made a small mistake or typo and gave a mon more or less points than it should have.
Notable changes: Savouras's tierlist has 7 slots instead of 10, Fated Keys tierlist has a seperate tier for keldeo: this gives keldeo 2.5 points from his ratings since its in between S- & A+, KlefkiHolder's tierlist has 12 slots instead of 10, ACR1's tierlist has 9 slots instead of 10

Mega Metagross: 1 1 1 3 1 1 1 2 1 1Mega Alakazam: 1 3 1 3 1 1 1 1 2 1Serperior: 1 2 1 2 1 2 2 2 2 1 Weavile: 2 2 1 1 2 3 2 3 2 2 Tornadus: 4 1 3 2 3 3 3 5 3 2 Excadrill: 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 3 1 1 Clefable: 2 1 2 4 1 2 1 1 1 2Mega Tyranitar: 2 4 3 5 2 4 4 4 3 3 Mega Venusaur: 3 2 3 6 4 4 4 5 3 2 Mega Diancie: 3 2 4 5 3 4 4 4 2 3 Mega Medicham: 3 1 5 6 3 3 4 5 4 4 Mega Lopunny: 3 4 3 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 Zapdos: 3 3 3 5 3 3 2 4 4 3

Keldeo: 3 2 3 5 3 2.5 3 5 4 2 Volcanion: 3 2 3 4 4 3 2 4 3 2 Rotom-Wash: 3 3 4 1 3 3 2 4 4 3 Manaphy: 3 3 2 5 3 3 2 3 4 2 Volcarona: 3 2 3 5 3 3 3 5 2 2 Garchomp: 3 2 3 3 3 3 2 4 4 2 Tyranitar: 3 3 4 5 3 4 3 3 5 2Gliscor: 3 3 2 6 5 4 3 3 3 3Thunderus 2 1 3 3 2 1 3 3 3 2Ferrothorn: 3 3 4 6 4 5 4 4 3 4 Mega Gallade: 4 5 4 5 5 4 4 7 4 4 Mega Gyarados: 4 3 7 7 4 5 4 6 3 4 Mega CharY: 4 4 4 6 4 4 4 4 4 4Mega CharX: 5 5 5 7 5 6 5 4 3 5Mega Latias: 3 3 3 7 7 6 4 6 4 5Cresselia: 4 4 6 4 4 4 4 6 3 5 Bisharp: 4 3 4 4 4 4 3 4 4 4 Chansey 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 5 3 4 Bliseey 4 5 4 5 4 6 6 8 7 5 Skarmory 4 4 3 6 4 4 3 4 4 3 Amoongus: 4 4 6 7 4 5 6 8 6 6 Mega Scizor 5 4 5 7 5 4 5 5 4 4Mega Gardevoir 5 5 6 8 5 4 5 8 3 4 Kyurem Black: 5 5 4 6 5 4 4 6 5 4 Landorus: 5 4 4 5 5 4 4 3 5 4 Hippowdon: 5 5 6 8 4 6 4 6 8 5 Dragonite: 5 5 4 5 4 4 6 5 5 Heatran: 5 2 3 4 4 4 4 4 4 4Cloyster 5 6 5 6 5 5 5 8 6 7 Cofagrigus: 5 4 4 6 5 5 6 7 4 6Mega Pinsir: 6 5 5 6 5 6 6 7 6Mega Slowbro: 6 5 6 6 5 6 Crawdaunt 6 5 6 7 6 4 6 7 6 Talonflame 6 5 5 7 4 5 5 3 Thunderus Therian 6 5 7 7 6 5 5 9 5 5 Quagsire: 6 5 6 7 6 7 5 8 6 6Mew: 6 5 6 7 6 5 5 7 5 6 Gastrodon: 6 5 5 7 6 7 5 7 5 6
Mega Manectric: 7 4 5 7 5 7 9 5 6 Mega Heracross: 7 5 8 6 6 6 8 5 8Mega Altaria: 7 4 8 8 8 6 5 8 5 4 Alomomola: 7 5 8 8 7 8 6 9 7 Latias: 7, 4, 6, 4, 6, 6, 5, 6 6 Latios: 7, 4, 10, 7, 8, 6, 6, 7 10 Gyarados: 7, 6, 9, 7, 9, 6, 8 8

Kyurem: 7, 5, 8, 9, 7, 6, 6, 9 6 Scolipede: 6, 5, 7, 7, 7, 6, 9 5 Suicune: 7 5 5 8 7 7 5 8 5 5 Gengar: 7 6 6 8 7 8 9 6 9 Azelf: 7 5 8 9 8 6 6 10 8 7 Mega Sharpedo: 8 5 10 10 7 10 9 10 9 Mega Aggron: 8 5 9 9 8 6 9 8 7 Mega Aerodactyl: 8 5 10 8 8 8 7 9 9 10 Mega Latios: 7 5 10 8 7 6 7 9 4 7 Jellicent: 8 5 7 9 8 8 6 9 8 9Reuniclus: 8 5 7 8 9 7 6 8 8 6 Starmie: 8 5 8 8 8 6 7 8 7 10Diggersby: 8 6 8 7 8 5 6 9 6 Azumarill: 8 5 7 6 7 6 6 7 7 8 Magnezone: 9 5 5 7 9 6 6 6 7 7 Jirachi: 9 9 6 7 9 6 5 Scizor: 9 6 9 9 8 8 9 8 10 Breloom 10 5 8 9 8 6 7 9 10 7 Tangrowth 10 7 8 8 7 6 8 7 8
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  • Ordered until A
  • My own opinion and experience. Less factual more experience over 2 years and what I valued
  • :Clefable: I think the only mon with only 100% pratical moves which will realistically never be bad.
  • :Volcarona: and no other pokemon should be banned. Statement without proof: :Volcarona: needs Fire Blast in certain matchups which has it's own problems and needs the right move. I used to say it should be banned, then realized there are enough unique counter plays and ORAS is not played in a vacuum. Thank you playerbase for teaching me
  • :Chansey: was always a Mon I was never sad about bringing so it should be somewhere in S by that logic
  • :Cloyster: 3a is the truce, sometimes even without sash

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Thanks for especially RufflesPro for inviting me. And of course the entire ORAS Team for making ORAS still nice to look at, new Sets in Calcs, new Samples.
I am focusing more on private life, academinds and sports but I played and build a bit in the last months:
Thanks London Beats for helping me with vr and bu
Thanks fade for hearing my takes out and being open minded in the small period of time we build together.
Lastly, Thanks to all the players, tournament organizers for making this possible, it was very fun at the end of the day. :)
 
My own viability ranking, which, as always, probably has some significant differences with others. Higher-ranked Pokemon are to the left. The ordering within sub-ranks becomes progressively less strict as the ranks decrease. A full viability ranking including C-rank and below (which rapidly become much more lax in terms of inclusions) is found under the initial abridged version.

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My own perspectives on a few of the rankings:
  • :metagross-mega: This is the best Pokemon in the tier. Every other choice of Mega has an opportunity cost of not being able to use this.
  • :serperior: :excadrill: :thundurus: The most meta-defining aspect of modern ORAS is the importance of "glue" Pokemon like those in the S tier.
  • :alakazam-mega: :weavile: :rotom-wash: :clefable: The Pokemon in S- tier are dominating when you can get the turns right; ironically Clefable is the most consistent out of them but the more offensive turn of the metagame can occasionally lead to lesser impacts in games.

  • I feel pretty confident about the order of the first four Pokemon in the A+ rank:
    • :lopunny-mega: Mega-Lopunny has been seeing less use as of late, but even with the continued presence of contact-punishers like Garchomp and Zapdos, it is still the best anti-offense Pokemon in the tier with its access to both Quick Attack and Ice Punch.
    • :diancie-mega: Mega-Diancie manages to exert pressure on all different team styles and has solid trading potential in a pinch.
    • :gliscor: A disciplined Gliscor player can conjure up wins from nothing, and its set variety means that it can always wind up being nightmarish for any team to face.
    • :tornadus-therian: Tornadus-T is one of the most important pivots in the tier; while I've seen Taunt a lot less (and some other weird sets like Leftovers o_o), it has just enough set variety to patch up that glaring hole in your team.
  • :chansey: It's all or nothing with this Pokemon; it'll either totally prevent your opponent from making progress or get pivoted on 3 times and make you lose the game. Every team needs a way to deal with this Pokemon, and that consideration makes you a better builder.
  • :manaphy: The reckless player will wind up down 2-3 Pokemon in a few turns when Manaphy has the right set. If your opponent is moving weirdly with this thing, expect crackhead screens and punish accordingly.
  • :cresselia: Biggest glow-up I've seen in a while. Cresselia comes in clutch not just due to Lunar Dance, but it can also just straight up wall things to death with Rocky Helmet and the right EV spread.

  • :tyranitar-mega: :tyranitar: To be honest, the ranking here is just due to its enablement of Sand as an archetype, otherwise I think closer to the bottom of A tier is more appropriate. Still solid though.
  • :keldeo-resolute: You either get burned by Scald or decimated by Hydro Pump. Counterplay is often just hoping you dodge a burn or get the predict right.
  • :gallade-mega: Experimentation with its 3rd and 4th move-slots can make this a one-mon counterteam.
  • :volcanion: I feel like it's gotten ever-so-slightly worse, but this is still by far the scariest Pokemon for type-synergy-based Balance teams to face.
  • :cofagrigus: The amount of free wins I've squandered despite bringing this Pokemon haunts me greatly.
  • :seismitoad: I'll feel vindicated when I start seeing HP-Grass in the wild on Electric-types. Shutting down Volt Switch is massive.

  • :manectric-mega: A lot of teams lose on preview to this, with counterplay being to try and avoid the ~10-20% of chip that stands in the way of an embarrassingly straightforward victory. Very underrated in my opinion.
  • :roserade: Putting this thing in A- may seem crazy, but you'll understand when you hit that Sleep Powder and totally swing the game's momentum in your favor. Spikes, Toxic Spikes, Natural Cure... it may be an outlier, but it's a really fun Pokemon to play around with.

  • :dragonite: We need to see more abuse of its fantastic movepool. That one random Ice Punch or Iron Tail is a fun way to open a path for your team.
  • :heracross-mega: Winning with the bug comes down to correctly predicting what Pokemon your opponent is willing to risk getting blown back, so I'd call it suffering from success.
  • :kyurem-black: Its set diversity means that it can fit on a wider range of teams than one might expect. The original anti-meta Pokemon.

  • :altaria-mega: It will see its return to the top one day. Still a decent pick against some team styles.
  • :suicune: :reuniclus: :latias-mega: CM-cheese is fishy but always an option worth considering, especially since the abusers provide solid utility in general.
  • :swampert-mega: :politoed: :kingdra: Rain still feels a little hit or miss to me, but probably more hit than miss.

  • :sceptile-mega: Slept on and can annihilate certain offense archetypes. Needs good predictions to really shine however.
  • :chesnaught: Great movepool and utility options, but can be a little passive against some more common Pokemon.
  • :alakazam: LO sets shine when you don't run into Weavile. Focus Sash sets are weaker but trade against a lot (but not everything...).

VR discussions are always fun, very curious to see what the next official one will look like.
 
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