OU ORAS OU Viability Rankings

[Savouras]

S Rank
Clefable
Excadrill

S-
Serperior
Lopunny-Mega
Rotom-W

A+
Alakazam-Mega
Ferrothorn
Diancie-Mega
Gliscor
Altaria-Mega
Heatran
Latias-Mega

A
Magnezone
Weavile
Zapdos
Volcarona
Tornadus-T
Manaphy
Bisharp
Skarmory
Keldeo
Metagross-Mega
Tyranitar-Mega
Gastrodon

A-
Tyranitar
Latias
Chansey
Volcanion
Gallade-Mega
Slowbro
Thundurus
Garchomp
Medicham-Mega

B+
Cofagrigus
Thundurus-T
Venusaur-Mega
Jellicent
Kyurem-B
Slowbro-Mega
Pinsir-Mega
Suicune
Kyurem
Charizard-Mega-X

B
Amoonguss
Azumarill
Talonflame
Hydreigon
Charizard-Mega-Y
Quagsire
Mew
Cloyster
Landorus-T
Reuniclus
Manectric-Mega
Hawlucha
Gardevoir-Mega

B-
Ditto
Seismitoad
Breloom
Hippowdon
Alomomola
Scizor-Mega
Cresselia
Starmie
Crawdaunt
Tangrowth
Slowking
Togekiss
Latios
Absol-Mega
Dragonite
Victini
Gyarados-Mega

C
Hoopa
Zygarde
Shuckle
Aerodactyl-Mega
Gengar
Jirachi
Uxie
Scolipede
Entei
Terrakion
Aerodactyl
Xatu
Sharpedo-Mega
Barbaracle
Diggersby
Azelf
Mamoswine
Heracross-Mega

Id put Metagross, Keldeo Torn-t and Garchomp abit higher but otherwise i think these are the most accurate and realistic ones so far!

 

[A Welcome Wakuarori]

I understand that Latios fell off in the current ORAS metagame, but why is it ranked 44th?

 

[Vulpix03]

Only set

I understand that Latios fell off in the current ORAS metagame, but why is it ranked 44th?

Scarf sets are outclassed by latias which has access to healing wish and is a better switch in to mons like glisc and keld.

Only real set that sets latios apart from latias is specs. But specs can struggle to make progress against certain structures and is oftentimes a one and done breaker at best (if the opp has a ttar or weavile).

Honestly it's just hard to justify using latios on your teams

 

[Amir]

I understand that Latios fell off in the current ORAS metagame, but why is it ranked 44th?

There has been a rise in Weavile usage, it's very easy to pursuit trap it, the old LO set that is, as for Scarf set it is outclassed by Latias as mentioned by Vulpix. and It doesn't really benefit from its stabs that much either due to the S iter mons like SpD Drill and Clefable,

 

[I am New]

Why is venusaur so high? I mean didnt it actually fell off? It gets worn down so quick by hazards rely on synthesis etc.. AND its higher than amoongus. A mon with regen spore and has a million longevity and crucially doesnt take mega slot. Isnt venu a bad mega when metagross and lopunny and diancie exists?

Also why is m-alt not A+? Isnt dd straight up wincon vs fat and special just a brutal set to switch into?
Also what on earth is m-garde doing at B? Its quite a mid mon compared to m-diancie or alt or medicham too. It just seems not good compared to competition.

 

[Amir]

Why is venusaur so high? I mean didnt it actually fell off? It gets worn down so quick by hazards rely on synthesis etc.. AND its higher than amoongus. A mon with regen spore and has a million longevity and crucially doesnt take mega slot. Isnt venu a bad mega when metagross and lopunny and diancie exists?

Also why is m-alt not A+? Isnt dd straight up wincon vs fat and special just a brutal set to switch into?
Also what on earth is m-garde doing at B? Its quite a mid mon compared to m-diancie or alt or medicham too. It just seems not good compared to competition.

Mega Venusaur is a great pokemon on Stall, but there are some unique things that make it stand out like having access to Knock Off, and in a stall MU, removing leftovers from a single pokemon can save you a lot of momentum and keep the opponent on their toes.
In addition, Mega Venusaur is far more bulkier and provides better offensive pressure due to stronger Sludge Bombs.
It's also not immediately scared out by Weavile either.

It is true, Mega Venusaur has fallen off a bit because surely there are just better megas out there.
But at the same time, Amoonguss hasn't really been that good lately. Sure it spores a single pokemon but then what? It doesn't pressure as much as you want it to.

 

[Seasons]

With the conclusion of SPL, the VR update a few months ago, as well as the ORAS representation in all sorts of unofficial tournaments, I wanted to review my VR from last year and update it. Here’s my new list, I’ll talk about some changes at the bottom.

The first major change is that I am no longer rating Tornadus as a pure S-Tier Pokemon. This sounds more drastic than it is, as it’s still comfortably top 5 in the tier, but the popularity spike of Zapdos and (to lesser extent) the Thundurus formes definitely hurts Tornadus to the point where I can’t confidently put it as number 1 where I had it ranked last year. I didn’t change Zapdos’ ranking as I had already rated it fairly high and the usage increase is clearly just a result of that .

I moved Serperior up a tier and dropped Diancie down a tier. Serperior still is one of the biggest threats in the metagame and it is not going to go anywhere. I don’t have a specific reasoning as to why it moves up aside from that it feels correct to put it there which wasn’t the case last year. I dropped Diancie a bit because I do feel that it has gotten slightly harder for it to be as massive of a threat as it was. Pokémon like Amoonguss Gastrodon and Chansey are all increasing in usage (and viability) and Diancie just kind of suffers as a result. A mega evolution like Alakazam is simply in a better spot in the current meta, benefiting from Tornadus sets changing in favor of Helmet > AV a lot of the time, as well as being able to deal with would-be checks via combinations of Calm Mind, Taunt, Encore or Recover.

A big one is Gallade moving all the way up to A tier. This is a Pokémon that I was personally quite sceptical about pre SPL, but have since become a fan of. Massively threatening to almost any Team and it is able to boost on a LOT of Pokémon that you wouldn’t expect to be able to beat if you’re unfamiliar with the calcs. This Pokémon has also caused the drop of Medicham as there are a lot of scenarios where Gallade will simply be the much better. Of course Medicham has its niches (hence it remains A-), but Gallade is a more generalist approach and should be promoted.

Many of my previously A- ranked Pokémon have made the jump to A rank (Chansey, Cofagrigus, Gastrodon, Skarmory) as they’re very well-positioned currently, and have proven themselves within SPL as well as after.

I don’t know if I’ve missed a major change that I’ve made around the top ranks, but if I did I can probably explain it

 

[zf]

Retest AEGISLASH,,, youll Cowards.

 

[devin]

With the conclusion of SPL, the VR update a few months ago, as well as the ORAS representation in all sorts of unofficial tournaments, I wanted to review my VR from last year and update it. Here’s my new list, I’ll talk about some changes at the bottom.
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The first major change is that I am no longer rating Tornadus as a pure S-Tier Pokemon. This sounds more drastic than it is, as it’s still comfortably top 5 in the tier, but the popularity spike of Zapdos and (to lesser extent) the Thundurus formes definitely hurts Tornadus to the point where I can’t confidently put it as number 1 where I had it ranked last year. I didn’t change Zapdos’ ranking as I had already rated it fairly high and the usage increase is clearly just a result of that .

I moved Serperior up a tier and dropped Diancie down a tier. Serperior still is one of the biggest threats in the metagame and it is not going to go anywhere. I don’t have a specific reasoning as to why it moves up aside from that it feels correct to put it there which wasn’t the case last year. I dropped Diancie a bit because I do feel that it has gotten slightly harder for it to be as massive of a threat as it was. Pokémon like Amoonguss Gastrodon and Chansey are all increasing in usage (and viability) and Diancie just kind of suffers as a result. A mega evolution like Alakazam is simply in a better spot in the current meta, benefiting from Tornadus sets changing in favor of Helmet > AV a lot of the time, as well as being able to deal with would-be checks via combinations of Calm Mind, Taunt, Encore or Recover.

A big one is Gallade moving all the way up to A tier. This is a Pokémon that I was personally quite sceptical about pre SPL, but have since become a fan of. Massively threatening to almost any Team and it is able to boost on a LOT of Pokémon that you wouldn’t expect to be able to beat if you’re unfamiliar with the calcs. This Pokémon has also caused the drop of Medicham as there are a lot of scenarios where Gallade will simply be the much better. Of course Medicham has its niches (hence it remains A-), but Gallade is a more generalist approach and should be promoted.

Many of my previously A- ranked Pokémon have made the jump to A rank (Chansey, Cofagrigus, Gastrodon, Skarmory) as they’re very well-positioned currently, and have proven themselves within SPL as well as after.

I don’t know if I’ve missed a major change that I’ve made around the top ranks, but if I did I can probably explain it

enough about mons, kpop artists ranking when?

 

[Waffleztastegood]

Why is mega gallade good? I don't really get it

 

[Seasons]

Why is mega gallade good? I don't really get it

One of the best offensive checks to MLop, as well as just good bulk to get an SD on most things. Also good speed tier for the metagame. After 1 SD it beats a lot of teams with minor chip on its checks (bar like slowbro but maybe u run knock if u can’t handle it otherwise)

 

[CrashinBoomBang]

I also think there's one move in particular for Gallade that's not talked about enough, and that move is Psycho Cut. It's no secret that I inherently value Pokemon that require making contact a bit lower these days, and that's because touching stuff is often a death sentence (also why I don't personally view Lop as one of The Best). Between Helmet on various things from Tornadus over Landorus to good old Tank Chomp, Static on Zapdos, and even Volc's Flame Body, there's a good chance that your Metagross/Lopunny is just gonna get screwed over, whereas Gallade has a good chance to avoid all of that, especially since Psycho Cut is pretty good coverage in general (Tornadus, Zapdos, Clef all lose coming into Swords Dance thanks to your fantastic special bulk, absolutely blasts Amoonguss, still fine coverage vs Lando/Chomp, etc...).

Yeah, being immune to Fake Out is amazing, especially since very few offensive Pokemon can even stand up to a Lop/Medi revenge kill in the first place, but that also feels like it's only scratching the surface. Not being able to be flinched by Weavile Icicle Crash or Excadrill Iron Head are absolutely enormous, especially since you can run Drain Punch to heal it all back. A lot of more offensive teams really struggle with Weavile and Excadrill as it is, having one safe "out" to both is quite nice.

Honestly, if Gallade had more of an actual defensive profile, it'd be even better. It's not really gonna straight up check things the way Mega Metagross or Mega Lopunny do via their absurd bulk/prio spam. Its defensive typing is quite awkward, it has no immunities, and any kind of status absolutely guts you. The way I see it, it's a very "selfish" Pokemon: It's definitely a one-man-army a lot of the time, and a ton of teams struggle to actually take it out, especially with Drain Punch recovery, but it's also not going to be part of your defensive backbone. I think it's still extremely underexplored because it has been consistently fantastic for me, but being a Mega Evolution that doesn't offer anything defensively is a tough pill to swallow. Think of it has a slower, bulkier, physical Mega Alakazam, I guess: It's inherently tough to build with because it has few defensive qualities, but can absolutely start cleaving through teams mid- to late-game, even with relatively little support. Even if it doesn't sweep, I think being this inherently good against Lopunny/Weavile/Excadrill, especially in a 1v1 situation, is worth a ton right now!! People should try more builds with it, feels like there's a ton of untapped potential. I think Psycho Cut and not having inaccurate moves gives Gallade unmatched game-to-game consistency as far as physical attackers go.

 

[Seasons]

I also think there's one move in particular for Gallade that's not talked about enough, and that move is Psycho Cut. It's no secret that I inherently value Pokemon that require making contact a bit lower these days, and that's because touching stuff is often a death sentence (also why I don't personally view Lop as one of The Best). Between Helmet on various things from Tornadus over Landorus to good old Tank Chomp, Static on Zapdos, and even Volc's Flame Body, there's a good chance that your Metagross/Lopunny is just gonna get screwed over, whereas Gallade has a good chance to avoid all of that, especially since Psycho Cut is pretty good coverage in general (Tornadus, Zapdos, Clef all lose coming into Swords Dance thanks to your fantastic special bulk, absolutely blasts Amoonguss, still fine coverage vs Lando/Chomp, etc...).

Yeah, being immune to Fake Out is amazing, especially since very few offensive Pokemon can even stand up to a Lop/Medi revenge kill in the first place, but that also feels like it's only scratching the surface. Not being able to be flinched by Weavile Icicle Crash or Excadrill Iron Head are absolutely enormous, especially since you can run Drain Punch to heal it all back. A lot of more offensive teams really struggle with Weavile and Excadrill as it is, having one safe "out" to both is quite nice.

Honestly, if Gallade had more of an actual defensive profile, it'd be even better. It's not really gonna straight up check things the way Mega Metagross or Mega Lopunny do via their absurd bulk/prio spam. Its defensive typing is quite awkward, it has no immunities, and any kind of status absolutely guts you. The way I see it, it's a very "selfish" Pokemon: It's definitely a one-man-army a lot of the time, and a ton of teams struggle to actually take it out, especially with Drain Punch recovery, but it's also not going to be part of your defensive backbone. I think it's still extremely underexplored because it has been consistently fantastic for me, but being a Mega Evolution that doesn't offer anything defensively is a tough pill to swallow. Think of it has a slower, bulkier, physical Mega Alakazam, I guess: It's inherently tough to build with because it has few defensive qualities, but can absolutely start cleaving through teams mid- to late-game, even with relatively little support. Even if it doesn't sweep, I think being this inherently good against Lopunny/Weavile/Excadrill, especially in a 1v1 situation, is worth a ton right now!! People should try more builds with it, feels like there's a ton of untapped potential. I think Psycho Cut and not having inaccurate moves gives Gallade unmatched game-to-game consistency as far as physical attackers go.

Yeah good thing u mention cut because when writing, I kind of considered the Drain Punch, Psycho Cut, SD, Sneak (or filler, but I like sneak) to be the standard but I guess it should be mentioned, given that just saying “Gallade good” would probably result in an increase in Close Combat, Zen Headbutt builds, which are not the reason I moved it up in my personal VR.

 

[MANNAT]

S Rank
Clefable

S- Rank
Excadrill
Serperior
Lopunny-Mega

A+ Rank
Rotom-W
Volcanion
Ferrothorn
Diancie-Mega
Volcarona
Heatran
Weavile

A Rank
Tornadus-Therian
Alakazam-Mega
Manaphy
Tyranitar
Slowbro
Garchomp
Gliscor
Charizard-Mega-Y
Thundurus
Zapdos
Metagross-Mega

A- Rank
Magnezone
Bisharp
Keldeo
Tyranitar-Mega
Landorus-Therian
Chansey
Skarmory
Charizard-Mega-X
Latias-Mega

B+ Rank
Scizor-Mega
Slowbro-Mega
Pinsir-Mega
Gastrodon
Kyurem-Black
Latios
Azumarill
Gyarados-Mega
Latias
Medicham-Mega
Cofagrigus
Altaria-Mega

B Rank
Dragonite
Gallade-Mega
Talonflame
Mew
Venusaur-Mega
Tangrowth
Thundurus-Therian
Jellicent
Suicune
Quagsire
Amoonguss

B- Rank
Latios-Mega
Crawdaunt
Cresselia
Gardevoir-Mega
Garchomp-Mega
Gengar
Starmie
Heracross-Mega
Cloyster
Terrakion
Alomomola
Victini
Reuniclus
Hippowdon
Kyurem
Slowking
Zygarde

C+ Rank
Raikou
Manectric-Mega
Aerodactyl
Seismitoad
Breloom
Hydreigon
Jirachi
Aerodactyl-Mega
Alakazam
Nidoking
Mamoswine
Gyarados
Ditto
Shuckle
Togekiss
Politoed
Feraligatr

C Rank
Sharpedo-Mega
Krookodile
Ampharos-Mega
Azelf
Hoopa
Absol-Mega
Magneton
Scizor
Klefki
Aggron-Mega
Swampert-Mega
Hawlucha
Scolipede
Pidgeot-Mega
Houndoom
Rhyperior
Xatu
Omastar
Porygon-2

C- Rank
Beedrill-Mega
Tentacruel
Uxie
Cobalion
Conkeldurr
Barbaracle
Infernape
Dragalge
Ninetales
Kabutops
Tornadus
Steelix-Mega
Heracross
Sceptile-Mega

D Rank
Celebi
Milotic
Bronzong
Rotom-Mow
Smeargle
Empoleon
Poliwrath
Blastoise-Mega
Abomasnow-Mega
Camerupt-Mega
Diggersby
Chesnaught
Doublade

 

[serperiorr]

MGallade is pretty good ye, I think BU is relatively unexplored which is effective on screens ho. It's worse than SD overall but def should be experimented with more.

A mon that should imo get ranked is roserade . This mon has pretty decent versatility and has a very unique blend of options. Spikes/Tspike is great since you threaten both spinners with a fat 125 SpA leaf storm. Defoggers like Lati and Zap hate getting sludge bomb poisoned, and any defensive checks eg torn/chansey get spiked on. You can even run technician HP fire/ground to snipe steels, but nat cure is really good too to invalidate rotom/clef status. This mon is very hard to switch into for offenses, and can also find decent entry through bulky waters, clef, even sometimes serp. Vs fatter teams you absorb their cofa tspike/set layers of hazards which is obv good for a teammate weav lopunny whatever. This is not even mentioning other options like stun spore, sleep powder, aromatherapy, synthesis. Roserade is really customizable depending on the team though admittedly not splashable since it's frail and ferro/amoong "outclass" it to some extent. I personally rank this as high as B- since I'm biased and brought this mon to #2 on ladder but C+ or lower would also be fine. Definitely a viable mon.

 

[Seasons]

MGallade is pretty good ye, I think BU is relatively unexplored which is effective on screens ho. It's worse than SD overall but def should be experimented with more.

A mon that should imo get ranked is roserade . This mon has pretty decent versatility and has a very unique blend of options. Spikes/Tspike is great since you threaten both spinners with a fat 125 SpA leaf storm. Defoggers like Lati and Zap hate getting sludge bomb poisoned, and any defensive checks eg torn/chansey get spiked on. You can even run technician HP fire/ground to snipe steels, but nat cure is really good too to invalidate rotom/clef status. This mon is very hard to switch into for offenses, and can also find decent entry through bulky waters, clef, even sometimes serp. Vs fatter teams you absorb their cofa tspike/set layers of hazards which is obv good for a teammate weav lopunny whatever. This is not even mentioning other options like stun spore, sleep powder, aromatherapy, synthesis. Roserade is really customizable depending on the team though admittedly not splashable since it's frail and ferro/amoong "outclass" it to some extent. I personally rank this as high as B- since I'm biased and brought this mon to #2 on ladder but C+ or lower would also be fine. Definitely a viable mon.

Also had 100% winrate in spl! Absolutely top tier Pokémon

 

[StupidFlandrs48]

Yeah good thing u mention cut because when writing, I kind of considered the Drain Punch, Psycho Cut, SD, Sneak (or filler, but I like sneak) to be the standard but I guess it should be mentioned, given that just saying “Gallade good” would probably result in an increase in Close Combat, Zen Headbutt builds, which are not the reason I moved it up in my personal VR.

I don't wanna pretend to have the same level of experience or authority as someone like yourself, but I do feel like writing Close Combat off as an inferior option is a little hasty, given how important that power boost can be in a lot of matchups (not gonna argue with zen headbutt tho, I hate that move more as I use it more). It can invalidate a lot of mons that might otherwise eat a hit and kill your sweep with status or an RK. Meanwhile with Drain Punch I often feel like it comes up short in situations where you need that maximum killing power to follow through on a sweep.

A few calcs for some relevant mons (relevant = anything that could KO or cripple a Drain Punch set):

+2 252 Atk Gallade-Mega Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 248+ Def Rotom-Wash: 322-381 (105.9 - 125.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 Atk Gallade-Mega Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 248+ Def Rotom-Wash: 202-238 (66.4 - 78.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

+2 252 Atk Gallade-Mega Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Metagross-Mega: 328-387 (108.9 - 128.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 Atk Gallade-Mega Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Metagross-Mega: 205-243 (68.1 - 80.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

+2 252 Atk Gallade-Mega Close Combat vs. 248 HP / 100+ Def Charizard-Mega-X: 357-420 (99.4 - 116.9%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
+2 252 Atk Gallade-Mega Drain Punch vs. 248 HP / 100+ Def Charizard-Mega-X: 222-262 (61.8 - 72.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+2 252 Atk Gallade-Mega Close Combat vs. 240 HP / 176+ Def Garchomp: 373-439 (89.4 - 105.2%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252 Atk Gallade-Mega Drain Punch vs. 240 HP / 176+ Def Garchomp: 234-276 (56.1 - 66.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252 Atk Gallade-Mega Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 446-528 (115.5 - 136.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Gallade-Mega Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 278-330 (72 - 85.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

252 Atk Gallade-Mega Close Combat vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 620-732 (96.5 - 114%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Gallade-Mega Drain Punch vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 390-458 (60.7 - 71.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252 Atk Gallade-Mega Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Diancie-Mega: 216-255 (89.6 - 105.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Gallade-Mega Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Diancie-Mega: 135-160 (56 - 66.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
(this one depends on a speedtie but it's still really cool imo)

Whenever I use Drain Punch Gallade it feels like I'm going against what the mon is best at: ripping everything apart without mercy after its specific checks have been removed or worn down. And while the recovery can admittedly help against RK attempts from certain suspects like Weavile and Serp, I feel like there's a lot of RK options that no amount of extra health can save you from (Talon BB, Bisharp SP, M-Pinsir QA, Torn-T Hurricane all come to mind). Maybe there's something I'm missing about Drain Punch; I'm admittedly just a high-mid ladder player who doesn't follow the ORAS tournament scene closely, so I'd love to hear more about other perspectives from better players.

 

[fade]

I don't wanna pretend to have the same level of experience or authority as someone like yourself, but I do feel like writing Close Combat off as an inferior option is a little hasty, given how important that power boost can be in a lot of matchups (not gonna argue with zen headbutt tho, I hate that move more as I use it more). It can invalidate a lot of mons that might otherwise eat a hit and kill your sweep with status or an RK. Meanwhile with Drain Punch I often feel like it comes up short in situations where you need that maximum killing power to follow through on a sweep.

A few calcs for some relevant mons (relevant = anything that could KO or cripple a Drain Punch set):

+2 252 Atk Gallade-Mega Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 248+ Def Rotom-Wash: 322-381 (105.9 - 125.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 Atk Gallade-Mega Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 248+ Def Rotom-Wash: 202-238 (66.4 - 78.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

+2 252 Atk Gallade-Mega Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Metagross-Mega: 328-387 (108.9 - 128.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 Atk Gallade-Mega Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Metagross-Mega: 205-243 (68.1 - 80.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

+2 252 Atk Gallade-Mega Close Combat vs. 248 HP / 100+ Def Charizard-Mega-X: 357-420 (99.4 - 116.9%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
+2 252 Atk Gallade-Mega Drain Punch vs. 248 HP / 100+ Def Charizard-Mega-X: 222-262 (61.8 - 72.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+2 252 Atk Gallade-Mega Close Combat vs. 240 HP / 176+ Def Garchomp: 373-439 (89.4 - 105.2%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252 Atk Gallade-Mega Drain Punch vs. 240 HP / 176+ Def Garchomp: 234-276 (56.1 - 66.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252 Atk Gallade-Mega Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 446-528 (115.5 - 136.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Gallade-Mega Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 278-330 (72 - 85.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

252 Atk Gallade-Mega Close Combat vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 620-732 (96.5 - 114%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Gallade-Mega Drain Punch vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 390-458 (60.7 - 71.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252 Atk Gallade-Mega Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Diancie-Mega: 216-255 (89.6 - 105.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Gallade-Mega Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Diancie-Mega: 135-160 (56 - 66.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
(this one depends on a speedtie but it's still really cool imo)

Whenever I use Drain Punch Gallade it feels like I'm going against what the mon is best at: ripping everything apart without mercy after its specific checks have been removed or worn down. And while the recovery can admittedly help against RK attempts from certain suspects like Weavile and Serp, I feel like there's a lot of RK options that no amount of extra health can save you from (Talon BB, Bisharp SP, M-Pinsir QA, Torn-T Hurricane all come to mind). Maybe there's something I'm missing about Drain Punch; I'm admittedly just a high-mid ladder player who doesn't follow the ORAS tournament scene closely, so I'd love to hear more about other perspectives from better players.

Those calcs aren't very relevant all of those mons are either chipped (rotom/meta/chomp(you probably want to psycho cut this anyway)) or don't want to trade drain damage for w/e is clicked (chansey/heatran)

CC will obviously be better at breaking but it leaves you open to being revenge killed by mons: weav / lop / torn and more that don't kill you when healthy without the defense drops. Using close combat makes gallade more of a hit and run mon which is better suited to medicham and lopunny, drain is strong enough and heals making gallade a 'one man army' as cbb said, which is something the other 2 megas cant do

 

[WilhelmTheOkay]

Hello, are there any plans for a VR update?

 

[RufflesPro]

Hi,

• As someone who wants to advance ORAS, I felt this would help both the competitive scene and more casual fun.
• I tried almost every mon here and I'm going to rank any mon with a semblence of viability
• I'm going to include an S+ rank
• Do not worry I did not write this in one sitting
• Since I'm still playing in WCoP, I will make my reasoning more general. Forgive me!
• S/o Amir for being a cool bud to build w/ esp with these lower mons

S+ Rank (Game Changing)
Serperior - The single best mon in the tier due to (1) its immediate presence on the field, (2) incredible speed tier, (3) its ability to absorb pressure from meta threats, (4) its sheer utility, and (5) versatility.
Diancie-Mega - The single best mega in the tier imo. It's hard to wall and magic bounce is one of the best abilities in the game.

S Rank (Consistently Consistent)
Alakazam-Mega - Everytime this mon is on the field the opponent has to make concessions. Focus miss to be missing tho.
Excadrill - Bossman
Clefable - High utility w/ LO sets being scary once again. Though a bit hard to punish steel types.
Weavile - Useful in every conceivable mu and punishes lazy teambuilding that lack good dark or ice resists.
Rotom-W - The 50/50s with drill in the back is always in Rotom-W's favor especially considering the fact that Rotom lives Drill's EQ

S- Rank (Slurp Slurp)
Lopunny-Mega - Somewhat of a fall from grace due to rise of static zapdos, but its utility is tremendous.
Tornadus-Therian - Just immensely useful in checking important threats like Serperior and Mega Alakazam.
Metagross-Mega - A year ago I would have put it like A- or A. Nowadys, its utility and versatility, along with its sheer bulk always coming in clutch, has put it back on the map for me ... I really like how this mon feels in modern meta, especially considering the top threats.
Volcanion - The best fire type in the tier and without a doubt.

A+ Rank (Where's Your Answer?)
Medicham-Mega - Probably the most slept on mega. Double prio is best to not be deadweight vs. offense.
Garchomp - Not only is RH rocks a very good glue but other sets like SD or LO 3 attacks are forgotten but very powerful threats.
Manaphy - I have 4 grey hairs and 3 of them are from Manaphy
Volcarona - the 4th one
Gliscor - A good Gliscor pilot and build will out last usual checks
Zapdos - The 2nd best flying type in the tier. Both static and pressure defog are amazing sets.

A Rank (Oh! The Pressure!)
Gallade-Mega - The bulky set is extremely hard to revenge kill and due to its versatile kit hard to wall as well.
Thundurus - Extremely useful and splashable mon
Keldeo - Keldeo is a paradox, the more its used the less its usefulness is due to its checks sprouting everywhere especially Jellicent. However when the meta shifts and the keldeo counterplay is Volcanion + Cofagrigus ... use this mon and profit. Also, its bulk comes in clutch vs. offense.
Charizard-Mega-Y - Hard to wall this mon and feels powerful on the field, but HP Rock Serperior sucks for it.
Tyranitar-Mega - Both DD and rocks 3 attacks - with pursuit or not - are massive threats
Bisharp - Strong threat on offense and incredibly good glue w/ AV on BO/Balanced
Slowbro - Not only a good blanket physical wall but can also be a solid wincon. However somewhat eclipsed by Volcanion
Cofagrigus - Toxic spikes are incredible and doubling as a spinblocker is insaneo. S/o Vulpix03
Ferrothorn - Solid manaphy check and consistent spikes user

A- Rank (Suffocating)
Latias-Mega - Incredible utility and versatility but very pursuit and status weak
Tyranitar - Sand is too stable as an archetype
Landorus-Therian - A return to glory as its utility in keeping rocks up vs. drill teams is massive, generally great on offense.
Chansey - Never use chansey or blissey w/o status
Blissey - Worse before knock off but better after. Lefties toxic is slurp slurp, and extra speed is clutch.
Skarmory - Use Roar over Whirlwind, trust
Hippowdon - A rise from the low ranks due to its SpD set being a solid blanket check to many special threats like Volcarona, Zard Y, Mega Diancie, Thundurus/Zapdos, and so on. Keeping rocks vs. drill teams is incredible as well.
Dragonite - From typing to stats and ability, it is a solid wincon that also prevents offense from being swept.
Heatran - Somehow feels annoying to play against but also easy to chip. Quite useful vs. Clefable or Serperior but it's a fire type and a steel type that doesn't properly check Mega Diancie, Mega Alakazam, Volcarona, Zard Y, etc. so feels a bit lackluster for me.

B+ Rank (Very Solid)
Venusaur-Mega - Serperior & MDia check + tspike absorber + knock off is a great kit. Thick fat allows it to be a very good Manaphy check, and growth sets are genuinely scary for fat. Its main downside is status and Synthesis.
Talonflame - A fire type that I often prefer over Heatran since it actually checks moth and zard Y.
Amoonguss - Serperior & MDia check + tspike absorber + regen + spore is great, however deadweight vs. manaphy really sucks.
Seismitoad - Rotom infinite check glitch and also checks MDia and keeps rocks vs. drill. Unlocks 50/50s w/ double immunity.
Cloyster - Spin on offense is just too useful and always a threat.
Scizor-Mega - Solid MDia, MZam, and non-HP Fire Serp check cannot be underestimated. Though Zapdos/Volcanion are everywhere.
Gardevoir-Mega - Bulky Modest is the way to go.
Charizard-Mega-X - Goober Certified
Kyurem-Black - Bulky Kyurem-B should be used more often as its a solid Serp and Manaphy check.
Thundurus-therian - Sometimes 6-0s and sometimes is useless.
Suicune - See above + status weak, but pressure is amazing and the mon is overall much more versatile.
Kyurem - See above.
Cresselia - A better Latias as its a good blanket check physical or special, lunar dance > hwish, and actually lives knock/pursuit
Latios - The better Lati due to its immediate presence. Specs is scary and Scarf is incredible vs. offense.
Latias - Worse Cresselia but has speed, defog, and fire/water resist so has its places.
Gyarados-Mega - The single scariest mon on HO to face.
Altaria-mega - Heal bell is great for both offense and stall. A good longterm wincon, but really really hates steels.
Quagsire - This + Chansey is auto win vs. so many offense its crazy. Being a blanket physical checks to set up sweepers is incredible.
Gastrodon - I had this lower but tbh, Counter + Clear Smog is a very good and annoying set. It has its places for sure.

B Rank (Solid)
Mew - The best HO lead + stallbreaker sets are good.
Pinsir-Mega - Inconsistent af but it goobs
Slowbro-Mega - Weak to status. The more SpD you invest = the less Def = the earlier you have to mega = the worse it is. Solid wincon tho
Crawdaunt - Brazy mon
Scolipede - The amount of teams that are 6-0'd by this mon on preview is insane. Stomachs priority + Tspike absorber on offense is 10/10
Alomomola - On the rise for a good reason. Wish + Regen is far too good.
Gyarados - very underrated mon
Scizor - Regular Scizor is a strong CB user w/ pursuit, BP, and U-turn. Lefties w/ SD or Defog ain't bad either.
Gengar - Specs Gengar go pew pew, pair with something that takes advantage of pursuit.
Terrakion - Good speed tier and typing w/ immediate offensive pressure.
Infernape - Very good typing defensively to check dark types and fire types.
Azumarill - A Crawdaunt that is weaker but bulkier and w/o SD.
Tangrowth - A grass type competing w/ Seprerior, Amoonguss, and Ferrothorn for a slot ... if used, use RH + Brick Break

B- Rank (Somewhat Solid)
Aerodactyl - 2nd best HO lead but I'm sober on it now kinda.
Garchomp-Mega - Most underrated Mega. In Sand it's good and outside also good w/ 3 attacks mixed + Rocks.
Heracross-Mega - Strong boi that forces 50/50s concessions.
Latios-Mega - As an extension of how good Latios is, but with a mega slot. Unexplored.
Hydreigon - Decently explored but there's more. s/o Always!
Victini - CB is good and Scarf final gambit alongside other sets are unexplored.
Diggersby - the new sets w/ AV or bulky SD are quite good imo
Reuniclus - Too many dark types but sometimes it goobs. The knock + T-wave set running around is pretty good.
Politoed - Rain is decently strong but toed is ass.
Kingdra - Fantastic rain abuser
Starmie - Garbage mon but we need spinners + it spins on tran which can be nice. Offensive is better.
Tentacruel - Kinda decent but no recovery or longevity sucks. Tspikes = Pog.
Jirachi - See Bronzong on typing + access to wish and other cool things. Good speed tier as well.
Magnezone - Excellent on stall, trash everywhere else as it forces structures that are hard to justify.

C+ Rank (Good but Niche)
- 3rd best HO lead
Aerodactyl-Mega - great in sand, s/o Zaza
Swampert-Mega - great in rain
Camerupt-Mega - Good typing, pressures rocks vs. drill, destroys balanced, checks moth. S/o DIYUSI and Proftreez
Togekiss - 6-0s stall + cleric is nuts. Also can be a stall pick w/ Defog and Aura Sphere to punish bisharp.
Jellicent - Don't love it but it's annoying
Goodra - Strong check to Serperior and other special threats. S/o Sylvi
Porygon-2 - SpD takes on MDia, MZam, Thundurus, etc. Can always take a hit from anything non-SE. Both Trace & Download are pog.
Empoleon - SpD checks moth one time, defogs on rocks Clefable, hits kinda hard, eats a hit from drill, flying check, good water resist.
Zygarde - the threat hidden in the valley of leaves.
Bronzong - Good typing that checks Serp, MDia, MZam, and even MMtgrs somehow, however pursuit weak. TR is underrated
Mandibuzz - bias pick but dark resist + MZam check is nice. Stall or sand pick.
Celebi - Unexplored
Raikou - Actually decent despite drill everywhere.
Nidoking - feels meh, offensive rocks or tspikes seems best
Breloom - Meh but s/o devin , his loom builds scare me
Dragalge - checks Moth, Zard Y, Serp, Keldeo, and so on, while setting up and absorbing tspikes. s/o Ithi
Forretress - spinner + rocks + spikes/tspikes. Good steel type. Unexplored.
Donphan - spinner + rocks and wins vs. drill, just w/o the fairy resist. Unexplored, mostly a stall pick.
Umbreon - wish + heal bell with good bulk and a dark resist

C Rank (Niche)
Manectric-Mega - meh, but lots of BO that rely on drill or chomp as their electric switchin can get goobed
Feraligatr - s/o xray
Conkeldurr - AV goes in
Hawlucha - Unexplored
Hoopa - worse gengar double weak to pursuit, slow af, feels meh
Chesnaught - unexplored spike user and solid dark resist
Doublade - Permanent Medicham counter, stall pick. s/o HSK7
Blastoise - spinner w/ refresh and scald aka spins on cofagrigus and drill. Unexplored, stall pick.
Snorlax - Unexplored
Aggron-Mega - Very underexplored mega
Abomasnow-Mega - see above
Milotic - Checks MDia, PP stalls clef, and solid water type. Haze, Dtail, Mirror Coat, Refresh all good. s/o pj
Steelix-Mega - Unexplored mega. Stall pick.
Espeon - Unexplored
Cobalion - solid dark check + rocks + volt switch
Alakazam - Regular Zam w/ sash or LO is unexplored
Mamoswine - Looks good but is meh in practice. Too much Rotom-W
Crobat - sky plate infiltrator brave bird u-turn roost goes insaneo vs. offense.
Vaporeon - worse Umbreon
Ditto - Very hard to build w/, and tbh doesn't have the same utility it has in other gens
Magneton - I used to like the speed but honestly Zone is nice to pivot around Serp which this doesn't do as well.

C- Rank (Very Niche)
Uxie - Worse Azelf w/o Taunt but w/ Memento
Sableye - perma Medicham check and spin blocker. Stall pick
Chandelure - Unexplored.
Shuckle - hella meh. Sticky web is mu fish - aka inconsistent af
Masquerain - literally a better Sticky web user due to Intimidate & Hydro Pump, but doesn't have rocks, encore, etc.
Hitmontop - Stall pick spinner + dark resist.
Sharpedo-Mega - on some weird HO its fine
Drapion - Dark type w/ Pursuit + Tspike user/absorber + has SD. Multiple applications both on stall and outside
Poyrgon-Z - A bit too frail and/or too slow to do what it wants.
Flygon - decent defogger
Nidoqueen - Tspike user/absorber + solid ground type + rocks. Stall pick
Klefki - I dislike the keys. Aside from HO, I think its best on Stall.
Avalugg - Stall pick spinner that is weak to rocks and drill
Slowking - Mixed defenses is best but SpD Slowbro is just better due to its unpredictability.
Poliwrath - Keldeo typing is amazing defensively. Stall pick. Water absorb and circle throw with better bulk.
Metagross - mega bluff + AV pursuit is decent
Rotom-Mow - hard competing with serperior, but scarf trick is nice.
Roserade - Grass poison is a blessed typing esp w/ Natural Cure. Insane utility but very drill and pursuit weak.
Venusaur - same but with more bulk and less utility
Shaymin - Bulky grass w/ aromatherapy, and LO Seed Flare can stallbreak
Pangoro - 6-0 stall
Druddigon - Legitimately annoying and mold breaker rocks are nice. Glare is broken.
Lucario - Play guess the coverage with NP or SD and spectacular priority options. Frail af tho.
Heracross - one of the few mons I haven't tried, but on paper should be around here
Weezing - Stall pick. Tspikes user but doesn't absorb them which is unfortunate.
Kabutops - decent flying resist and spinner on rain
Ludicolo - decent rain abuser
Probopass - s/o ben gay. Stall pick. Trapper that traps Heatran.

D+ (Barely Viable)
Mesprit - Worse Uxie but w/ Healing Wish
Staraptor - Crack
Zangoose - Crack v2. Frail status absorber that abuses cofagrigus
Slurpuff - s/o Amir, almost beat me with it one time
Krookodile - Scarf moxie is nice
Salamence - DD set can be useful like 1 in 5 games
Aromatisse - Screens or TR that cannot be taunted
Miltank - Stall pick. Heal bell / rocks + sap sipper / thick fat can be clutch in checking important threats
Lanturn - Rotom and Thundy check + cleric + scald/volt switch
Gourgeist-Super - stall pick bulky ghost
Rotom-Heat - rotom that is weak to rocks but SpD checks moth ... except if its SubQD.
Moltres - niche defogger
Archeops - s/o CrashinBoomBang
Whimsicott - Prankster encore = funny
Heliolisk - rain compatibile ability, electric w/ surf, and most of all, glare.
Omastar - shell smash is funny but even on rain 55 speed is just too bad.
Qwilfish - rain tspike abosrber and user, or spikes.
Smeargle - meme boi
Mienshao - Scarf reckless and hope you don't run into cofagrigus or clefable.

D Rank (Barely Viable Megas)
Absol-Mega - Frail
Beedrill-Mega - Super frail
Houndoom - NP can be scary if opponent is sleeping
Sceptile-Mega - love the mon but not it
Ampharos-Mega - a missed one
Audino-mega - maybe hypothetically possibly decent on stall
Blastoise-Mega - regular is better
Glalie-mega - has spikes ig
Pidgeot-Mega - not in this economy

D- (Almost Unviable)
Xatu - rocks drill is too popular and it can barely come in on Ferrothorn much less other mons.
Sharpedo - LO on HO be decent
Emboar - s/o Amir
Aurorus - Amir cooked me with this once.
Vileplume - Grass/poison but more niche. S/o Amir for SD Set
Toxicroak - nice on rain + tspike absorber
Registeel - can't keep rocks vs. drill but crazy stats
Rhyperior - too much drill and stuff
Audino - budget mola
Sylveon - budget Clefable
Virizion - Fast chesanaught but much worse
Ninetales - Highly dislike this
Barbaracle - why is this here

E (Pretty Much Unviable)
Lopunny - scarf switcheroo klutz mega bluff sheningans
Tornadus - ?
Mantine - nah
Entei - no shot

 

[Bruxish supremacy]

Hi I am still learning this tier. Is this VR up to date? Is there any update happening any time soon?

 

[thebestever543]

Hi,

• As someone who wants to advance ORAS, I felt this would help both the competitive scene and more casual fun.
• I tried almost every mon here and I'm going to rank any mon with a semblence of viability
• I'm going to include an S+ rank
• Do not worry I did not write this in one sitting
• Since I'm still playing in WCoP, I will make my reasoning more general. Forgive me!
• S/o Amir for being a cool bud to build w/ esp with these lower mons

S+ Rank (Game Changing)
Serperior - The single best mon in the tier due to (1) its immediate presence on the field, (2) incredible speed tier, (3) its ability to absorb pressure from meta threats, (4) its sheer utility, and (5) versatility.
Diancie-Mega - The single best mega in the tier imo. It's hard to wall and magic bounce is one of the best abilities in the game.

S Rank (Consistently Consistent)
Alakazam-Mega - Everytime this mon is on the field the opponent has to make concessions. Focus miss to be missing tho.
Excadrill - Bossman
Clefable - High utility w/ LO sets being scary once again. Though a bit hard to punish steel types.
Weavile - Useful in every conceivable mu and punishes lazy teambuilding that lack good dark or ice resists.
Rotom-W - The 50/50s with drill in the back is always in Rotom-W's favor especially considering the fact that Rotom lives Drill's EQ

S- Rank (Slurp Slurp)
Lopunny-Mega - Somewhat of a fall from grace due to rise of static zapdos, but its utility is tremendous.
Tornadus-Therian - Just immensely useful in checking important threats like Serperior and Mega Alakazam.
Metagross-Mega - A year ago I would have put it like A- or A. Nowadys, its utility and versatility, along with its sheer bulk always coming in clutch, has put it back on the map for me ... I really like how this mon feels in modern meta, especially considering the top threats.
Volcanion - The best fire type in the tier and without a doubt.

A+ Rank (Where's Your Answer?)
Medicham-Mega - Probably the most slept on mega. Double prio is best to not be deadweight vs. offense.
Garchomp - Not only is RH rocks a very good glue but other sets like SD or LO 3 attacks are forgotten but very powerful threats.
Manaphy - I have 4 grey hairs and 3 of them are from Manaphy
Volcarona - the 4th one
Gliscor - A good Gliscor pilot and build will out last usual checks
Zapdos - The 2nd best flying type in the tier. Both static and pressure defog are amazing sets.

A Rank (Oh! The Pressure!)
Gallade-Mega - The bulky set is extremely hard to revenge kill and due to its versatile kit hard to wall as well.
Thundurus - Extremely useful and splashable mon
Keldeo - Keldeo is a paradox, the more its used the less its usefulness is due to its checks sprouting everywhere especially Jellicent. However when the meta shifts and the keldeo counterplay is Volcanion + Cofagrigus ... use this mon and profit. Also, its bulk comes in clutch vs. offense.
Charizard-Mega-Y - Hard to wall this mon and feels powerful on the field, but HP Rock Serperior sucks for it.
Tyranitar-Mega - Both DD and rocks 3 attacks - with pursuit or not - are massive threats
Bisharp - Strong threat on offense and incredibly good glue w/ AV on BO/Balanced
Slowbro - Not only a good blanket physical wall but can also be a solid wincon. However somewhat eclipsed by Volcanion
Cofagrigus - Toxic spikes are incredible and doubling as a spinblocker is insaneo. S/o Vulpix03
Ferrothorn - Solid manaphy check and consistent spikes user

A- Rank (Suffocating)
Latias-Mega - Incredible utility and versatility but very pursuit and status weak
Tyranitar - Sand is too stable as an archetype
Landorus-Therian - A return to glory as its utility in keeping rocks up vs. drill teams is massive, generally great on offense.
Chansey - Never use chansey or blissey w/o status
Blissey - Worse before knock off but better after. Lefties toxic is slurp slurp, and extra speed is clutch.
Skarmory - Use Roar over Whirlwind, trust
Hippowdon - A rise from the low ranks due to its SpD set being a solid blanket check to many special threats like Volcarona, Zard Y, Mega Diancie, Thundurus/Zapdos, and so on. Keeping rocks vs. drill teams is incredible as well.
Dragonite - From typing to stats and ability, it is a solid wincon that also prevents offense from being swept.
Heatran - Somehow feels annoying to play against but also easy to chip. Quite useful vs. Clefable or Serperior but it's a fire type and a steel type that doesn't properly check Mega Diancie, Mega Alakazam, Volcarona, Zard Y, etc. so feels a bit lackluster for me.

B+ Rank (Very Solid)
Venusaur-Mega - Serperior & MDia check + tspike absorber + knock off is a great kit. Thick fat allows it to be a very good Manaphy check, and growth sets are genuinely scary for fat. Its main downside is status and Synthesis.
Talonflame - A fire type that I often prefer over Heatran since it actually checks moth and zard Y.
Amoonguss - Serperior & MDia check + tspike absorber + regen + spore is great, however deadweight vs. manaphy really sucks.
Seismitoad - Rotom infinite check glitch and also checks MDia and keeps rocks vs. drill. Unlocks 50/50s w/ double immunity.
Cloyster - Spin on offense is just too useful and always a threat.
Scizor-Mega - Solid MDia, MZam, and non-HP Fire Serp check cannot be underestimated. Though Zapdos/Volcanion are everywhere.
Gardevoir-Mega - Bulky Modest is the way to go.
Charizard-Mega-X - Goober Certified
Kyurem-Black - Bulky Kyurem-B should be used more often as its a solid Serp and Manaphy check.
Thundurus-therian - Sometimes 6-0s and sometimes is useless.
Suicune - See above + status weak, but pressure is amazing and the mon is overall much more versatile.
Kyurem - See above.
Cresselia - A better Latias as its a good blanket check physical or special, lunar dance > hwish, and actually lives knock/pursuit
Latios - The better Lati due to its immediate presence. Specs is scary and Scarf is incredible vs. offense.
Latias - Worse Cresselia but has speed, defog, and fire/water resist so has its places.
Gyarados-Mega - The single scariest mon on HO to face.
Altaria-mega - Heal bell is great for both offense and stall. A good longterm wincon, but really really hates steels.
Quagsire - This + Chansey is auto win vs. so many offense its crazy. Being a blanket physical checks to set up sweepers is incredible.
Gastrodon - I had this lower but tbh, Counter + Clear Smog is a very good and annoying set. It has its places for sure.

B Rank (Solid)
Mew - The best HO lead + stallbreaker sets are good.
Pinsir-Mega - Inconsistent af but it goobs
Slowbro-Mega - Weak to status. The more SpD you invest = the less Def = the earlier you have to mega = the worse it is. Solid wincon tho
Crawdaunt - Brazy mon
Scolipede - The amount of teams that are 6-0'd by this mon on preview is insane. Stomachs priority + Tspike absorber on offense is 10/10
Alomomola - On the rise for a good reason. Wish + Regen is far too good.
Gyarados - very underrated mon
Scizor - Regular Scizor is a strong CB user w/ pursuit, BP, and U-turn. Lefties w/ SD or Defog ain't bad either.
Gengar - Specs Gengar go pew pew, pair with something that takes advantage of pursuit.
Terrakion - Good speed tier and typing w/ immediate offensive pressure.
Infernape - Very good typing defensively to check dark types and fire types.
Azumarill - A Crawdaunt that is weaker but bulkier and w/o SD.
Tangrowth - A grass type competing w/ Seprerior, Amoonguss, and Ferrothorn for a slot ... if used, use RH + Brick Break

B- Rank (Somewhat Solid)
Aerodactyl - 2nd best HO lead but I'm sober on it now kinda.
Garchomp-Mega - Most underrated Mega. In Sand it's good and outside also good w/ 3 attacks mixed + Rocks.
Heracross-Mega - Strong boi that forces 50/50s concessions.
Latios-Mega - As an extension of how good Latios is, but with a mega slot. Unexplored.
Hydreigon - Decently explored but there's more. s/o Always!
Victini - CB is good and Scarf final gambit alongside other sets are unexplored.
Diggersby - the new sets w/ AV or bulky SD are quite good imo
Reuniclus - Too many dark types but sometimes it goobs. The knock + T-wave set running around is pretty good.
Politoed - Rain is decently strong but toed is ass.
Kingdra - Fantastic rain abuser
Starmie - Garbage mon but we need spinners + it spins on tran which can be nice. Offensive is better.
Tentacruel - Kinda decent but no recovery or longevity sucks. Tspikes = Pog.
Jirachi - See Bronzong on typing + access to wish and other cool things. Good speed tier as well.
Magnezone - Excellent on stall, trash everywhere else as it forces structures that are hard to justify.

C+ Rank (Good but Niche)
- 3rd best HO lead
Aerodactyl-Mega - great in sand, s/o Zaza
Swampert-Mega - great in rain
Camerupt-Mega - Good typing, pressures rocks vs. drill, destroys balanced, checks moth. S/o DIYUSI and Proftreez
Togekiss - 6-0s stall + cleric is nuts. Also can be a stall pick w/ Defog and Aura Sphere to punish bisharp.
Jellicent - Don't love it but it's annoying
Goodra - Strong check to Serperior and other special threats. S/o Sylvi
Porygon-2 - SpD takes on MDia, MZam, Thundurus, etc. Can always take a hit from anything non-SE. Both Trace & Download are pog.
Empoleon - SpD checks moth one time, defogs on rocks Clefable, hits kinda hard, eats a hit from drill, flying check, good water resist.
Zygarde - the threat hidden in the valley of leaves.
Bronzong - Good typing that checks Serp, MDia, MZam, and even MMtgrs somehow, however pursuit weak. TR is underrated
Mandibuzz - bias pick but dark resist + MZam check is nice. Stall or sand pick.
Celebi - Unexplored
Raikou - Actually decent despite drill everywhere.
Nidoking - feels meh, offensive rocks or tspikes seems best
Breloom - Meh but s/o devin , his loom builds scare me
Dragalge - checks Moth, Zard Y, Serp, Keldeo, and so on, while setting up and absorbing tspikes. s/o Ithi
Forretress - spinner + rocks + spikes/tspikes. Good steel type. Unexplored.
Donphan - spinner + rocks and wins vs. drill, just w/o the fairy resist. Unexplored, mostly a stall pick.
Umbreon - wish + heal bell with good bulk and a dark resist

C Rank (Niche)
Manectric-Mega - meh, but lots of BO that rely on drill or chomp as their electric switchin can get goobed
Feraligatr - s/o xray
Conkeldurr - AV goes in
Hawlucha - Unexplored
Hoopa - worse gengar double weak to pursuit, slow af, feels meh
Chesnaught - unexplored spike user and solid dark resist
Doublade - Permanent Medicham counter, stall pick. s/o HSK7
Blastoise - spinner w/ refresh and scald aka spins on cofagrigus and drill. Unexplored, stall pick.
Snorlax - Unexplored
Aggron-Mega - Very underexplored mega
Abomasnow-Mega - see above
Milotic - Checks MDia, PP stalls clef, and solid water type. Haze, Dtail, Mirror Coat, Refresh all good. s/o pj
Steelix-Mega - Unexplored mega. Stall pick.
Espeon - Unexplored
Cobalion - solid dark check + rocks + volt switch
Alakazam - Regular Zam w/ sash or LO is unexplored
Mamoswine - Looks good but is meh in practice. Too much Rotom-W
Crobat - sky plate infiltrator brave bird u-turn roost goes insaneo vs. offense.
Vaporeon - worse Umbreon
Ditto - Very hard to build w/, and tbh doesn't have the same utility it has in other gens
Magneton - I used to like the speed but honestly Zone is nice to pivot around Serp which this doesn't do as well.

C- Rank (Very Niche)
Uxie - Worse Azelf w/o Taunt but w/ Memento
Sableye - perma Medicham check and spin blocker. Stall pick
Chandelure - Unexplored.
Shuckle - hella meh. Sticky web is mu fish - aka inconsistent af
Masquerain - literally a better Sticky web user due to Intimidate & Hydro Pump, but doesn't have rocks, encore, etc.
Hitmontop - Stall pick spinner + dark resist.
Sharpedo-Mega - on some weird HO its fine
Drapion - Dark type w/ Pursuit + Tspike user/absorber + has SD. Multiple applications both on stall and outside
Poyrgon-Z - A bit too frail and/or too slow to do what it wants.
Flygon - decent defogger
Nidoqueen - Tspike user/absorber + solid ground type + rocks. Stall pick
Klefki - I dislike the keys. Aside from HO, I think its best on Stall.
Avalugg - Stall pick spinner that is weak to rocks and drill
Slowking - Mixed defenses is best but SpD Slowbro is just better due to its unpredictability.
Poliwrath - Keldeo typing is amazing defensively. Stall pick. Water absorb and circle throw with better bulk.
Metagross - mega bluff + AV pursuit is decent
Rotom-Mow - hard competing with serperior, but scarf trick is nice.
Roserade - Grass poison is a blessed typing esp w/ Natural Cure. Insane utility but very drill and pursuit weak.
Venusaur - same but with more bulk and less utility
Shaymin - Bulky grass w/ aromatherapy, and LO Seed Flare can stallbreak
Pangoro - 6-0 stall
Druddigon - Legitimately annoying and mold breaker rocks are nice. Glare is broken.
Lucario - Play guess the coverage with NP or SD and spectacular priority options. Frail af tho.
Heracross - one of the few mons I haven't tried, but on paper should be around here
Weezing - Stall pick. Tspikes user but doesn't absorb them which is unfortunate.
Kabutops - decent flying resist and spinner on rain
Ludicolo - decent rain abuser
Probopass - s/o ben gay. Stall pick. Trapper that traps Heatran.

D+ (Barely Viable)
Mesprit - Worse Uxie but w/ Healing Wish
Staraptor - Crack
Zangoose - Crack v2. Frail status absorber that abuses cofagrigus
Slurpuff - s/o Amir, almost beat me with it one time
Krookodile - Scarf moxie is nice
Salamence - DD set can be useful like 1 in 5 games
Aromatisse - Screens or TR that cannot be taunted
Miltank - Stall pick. Heal bell / rocks + sap sipper / thick fat can be clutch in checking important threats
Lanturn - Rotom and Thundy check + cleric + scald/volt switch
Gourgeist-Super - stall pick bulky ghost
Rotom-Heat - rotom that is weak to rocks but SpD checks moth ... except if its SubQD.
Moltres - niche defogger
Archeops - s/o CrashinBoomBang
Whimsicott - Prankster encore = funny
Heliolisk - rain compatibile ability, electric w/ surf, and most of all, glare.
Omastar - shell smash is funny but even on rain 55 speed is just too bad.
Qwilfish - rain tspike abosrber and user, or spikes.
Smeargle - meme boi
Mienshao - Scarf reckless and hope you don't run into cofagrigus or clefable.

D Rank (Barely Viable Megas)
Absol-Mega - Frail
Beedrill-Mega - Super frail
Houndoom - NP can be scary if opponent is sleeping
Sceptile-Mega - love the mon but not it
Ampharos-Mega - a missed one
Audino-mega - maybe hypothetically possibly decent on stall
Blastoise-Mega - regular is better
Glalie-mega - has spikes ig
Pidgeot-Mega - not in this economy

D- (Almost Unviable)
Xatu - rocks drill is too popular and it can barely come in on Ferrothorn much less other mons.
Sharpedo - LO on HO be decent
Emboar - s/o Amir
Aurorus - Amir cooked me with this once.
Vileplume - Grass/poison but more niche. S/o Amir for SD Set
Toxicroak - nice on rain + tspike absorber
Registeel - can't keep rocks vs. drill but crazy stats
Rhyperior - too much drill and stuff
Audino - budget mola
Sylveon - budget Clefable
Virizion - Fast chesanaught but much worse
Ninetales - Highly dislike this
Barbaracle - why is this here

E (Pretty Much Unviable)
Lopunny - scarf switcheroo klutz mega bluff sheningans
Tornadus - ?
Mantine - nah
Entei - no shot

Fantastic post, hope more people who read this like me will go and explore some of the lower tier mons.

 

[Pheo]

S+

Broken mon, great offense stop, good serp/drill in, torna soft in, twave lol, vs + fight/ice has almost no in ( except clef and chansey, but those mons doesn't like volt switch into drill tbh )

versatile, fits in every team, sr, one of the biggest threat in the tier

S

would be S+ if focus blast had 100% accuracy, no switch ins, best speed, great ability, love spikes, taunt/hp ice/fire last

Volcaronaaaaaaaaa broken mon QD won gg

LO clef is cool on spikes balance teams, cm lefto too why not, sr koff clef why not too

Best flying mon in the tier, in serp and in zam without rocks

Broken mon, incredible vs offense, love spikes, splashable 4th move, encore, pup, ice punch, hwish, quick attack

Glare

A+

Strong fire type, in ? Weak rocks, zardttar remains good, focus blast alas

SD Zor best set imo, cool wincond, great defensive utility, in zam-M / lop / gross-M, defog set is cool too

4atk is great, big threat in the tier, drill rise didn't help diancie but I think that it remains a great choice, sr 3atk cool, cm diancie is not bad too, rock polish why not.

Specs, cm sub, cm taunt, taunt tox, taunt 3atk, soft in weavile, always a cool mon, versatile, good wincond

TankChomp remains the best chomp but I think that SD is cool, SD TankChomp cool too,many 4th move playable...

CB weav is awesome, it breaks, trap, revenge kill, great vs some old BO

Drill is cool but it restricts teambuilding, the meta adapted to it, remains a cool mon given that it's the best spinner. I also think that sd drill is cool, whether in sand or mold breaker

A

Great fire type, good defensive utility, volcarona in, specs is cool even if I prefer tank, roar and haze are cool lasts

SD zardX incredible, s/o skypenguin

RH lando always cool, imprison is good in offensive teams with volcarona and cloy

Sr 3atk is good, taunt too, 4atk gret too, dd with screens ofc

SubNP bulky thundy incredible with the over-representation of drill, np 3atk great too

Manaphyyyy incredible mon, TG 3atk, subTG with eball/chic breaks so many teams too, RD awesome

Bishop, soft in weav, AV is good, SD great, can trap no fight/eq gross

Whenever I see an OU , ferro is there... spiker, mana in, possible gross in, drill doesn't like it

I dislike defog zap, having a defog which take 1/4 each time is bad for me, I strongly prefer 3atk which is fine

Cool wincond, works well in offense teams, 3atk bulky with pjab for clef is cool, sneak playable too

Ca va

Cool pivot, great answer to sr lando/chomp, spread 12% wow, twave cool too, scarf fun

better than Patias, lives koff, lunar dance, good answer to gross/lop especially with rh

Good late wincond, works well with spikes, well-supported it can be painful to face it.

A-

Good in HO, tauntDD is cool

I like CB kyu in offense teams, breaks many teams

Gross and lop in, cm shock good wincond, twave/tox not bad too

Double prio is cool, can break many teams

Serp in, growth 3atk is awesome and can solo win many matchups, don't sleep on big venu

Ok+ wincond and spin, fits well in offense teams

Cool in Hyper Offense, why not in offense, good revenge killer with espeed

Scarf and band tar always viable, sr chople is good for zam, sand

Great wallbreaker, no switch in, only problem is focus blast alas, wowtaunt why not

Tran is tran, sr toxtaunt is a good set, serp clef and volc in ( without hp ground )

Cool mixwall, sr and sand

Suicune is suicune, can solo against a team not prepared to it

in Zard,volc, serp no rocks, drill, spread wow, sd interesting, weak rocks

Refer to cress but weaker

B+

Great special wall, heal bell is a cool last, skill swap too, not a big fan of sr bc it's drill food

Spinner but trapped by weav bish and tar, kinda weak to all the tier

Cool wincond, works without zone but I think it needs it to be more powerful, strong in screens ofc

SubRoost best set, specs cool, Sub 3atk fun, good wallbreaker but weak rocks and not really fast

Broken in dpp it's ok bro leave oras alone

Cool tank, can spikes on drill, ww, counter, defog, good overall
Cool wallbreaker, as kyu but not weak to rocks and weaker
you can always cheap gross with vs then trap him, it's ok but drill being everywhere didn't help zone
AV crawdaunt is the future listen bro
Cool mon in sticky, enjoy it a lot

B and B- are mons who exists in the tier but have not a real viability in my opinion


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