N's Castle (OU Stall and My First RMT)

~N’s Castle~​
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Hello, fellow members of Smogon! I’m a new member here and this is my first RMT (and my first post). My team is a stall team inspired by N’s Castle. Each Pokemon on my team is nicknamed after one of the sages of Team Plasma in honor of my favorite evil team. I’ve done some testing with this team on PO and made it to 1400 points. My reason for submitting this team for critique is so that I can be prepared when I face the more skilled players later on. Keep in mind that this is my first stall team (but it’s not my first competitive team). So, without further ado, I present the team:

N's Castle From the Outside

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As you can see, this team consists of many stall favorites along with two offensive Pokemon, Gengar and Excadrill. Hippowdon is my main physical wall that sets up stealth rocks and also functions as a phazer, all while supporting Excadrill and racking up residual damage with sand stream. Obviously, Blissey is my special wall, supporting the team with wish and heal bell. Tentacruel is my next wall and an excellent user of toxic spikes and rapid spin. My final wall is Ferrothorn, a great spiker with infuriating defenses. Gengar may seem too frail to be on a stall team, but anyone that has seen the sub disable set or the sub pain split set knows that it can survive quite a long time. Last but not least, Excadrill ties the team together with blistering speed that can finish off foes that have been battered by entry hazards. Now that you know the general concept of my team, let’s go more in depth…

Team Building Process

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Gengar is the founding member of this team. He is one of my all-time favorite Pokemon so, when I heard his sub pain split set can wear down even the toughest special walls, I wanted to try it out for myself.

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Once I decided that I would be using Gengar, I needed toxic spikes support to help break down walls more efficiently. I’m not a big fan of Forretress, so I immediately decided that Tentacruel was just the Pokemon for the job. As an added bonus, he can even use rapid spin!

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Ferrothorn joined the team shortly after Tentacruel, due to their excellent synergy. Together, they can lay down both types of spikes while protecting each other from super effective attacks. He is just a fantastic wall all-around.

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Now I had two walls with no reliable form of recovery to turn to. I needed wish support and Blissey fit the bill perfectly with her gigantic hp stat. She can also use heal bell to cure the team of any unfortunate status effects, making my Pokemon even more durable.

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At this point, my team was looking more and more like a stall team. I had never made a stall team before, so I figured I might as well try it out. With Blissey as my special wall, I needed a physical wall and Hippowdon is what I came up with. Not only can he set up stealth rocks, but he can also use roar. Even more importantly, his sand stream ability helps against those offensive weather teams.

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At this point, my team was looking more and more like a stall team. I had never made a stall team before, so I figured I might as well try it out. With Blissey as my special wall, I needed a physical wall and Hippowdon is what I came up with. Not only can he set up stealth rocks, but he can also use roar. Even more importantly, his sand stream ability helps against those offensive weather teams.

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Although Latias was a fine team member, she was very susceptible to being taken out by Tyranitar, a potent threat to my team that I had a very hard time eliminating. Also, my team lacked a real powerhouse that could clean up after the entry hazards had battered the opposing team. That’s where Excadrill came in. His blistering speed during a sandstorm and raw power was perfect for finishing off weakened Pokemon.
The only major downside to replacing Latias was the lack of a solid Reuniclus counter. To compensate, I decided to give Gengar a sub disable set that prevents Reuniclus from touching him. It was a bit ironic that I changed the set that inspired the team, but whatever. Let’s get on with the in depth explanations…

N's Castle From Within

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“Hurry and fall through the flowing sands!"
-Ryoku

Ryoku (Hippowdon) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Slack Off
- Roar

Ryoku is the Team Plasma sage found within the Relic Castle. Hippowdon represents him well by summoning a sandstorm much like the one that surrounds the ruins. This sandstorm supports the team in several ways. First of all, it causes residual damage that helps me stall out opponents. Secondly, it gives Excadrill his massive speed boost. Finally, it prevents sun and rain from getting the better of me. Hippowdon also supports the team with stealth rocks and roar, all while excelling as a physical wall.
Hippowdon’s prowess as a physical wall allows him to shut down many physical sweepers. One of my favorite ways to use him is by switching in on Toxicroak. Any Toxicroak that thinks it can set up on Ferrothorn is swiftly countered by Hippowdon, who threatens him with STAB earthquake, formidable defenses and a sandstorm. I can then proceed to roar and rack up entry hazard damage as my opponent tries to switch in a special sweeper. Hippowdon performs his role admirably and, for this reason, I have no intention of replacing him (although I’m always open to suggestions).


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"Right now, I'm shivering. I'm suffering, but I'm alive."
-Zinzolin

Zinzolin (Gengar) @ Black Sludge
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Disable
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast

The sage, Zinzolin, hides out in an icy storage facility, a suitable abode for my favorite ghost, Gengar. Gengar is one of the most important Pokemon on my team because it shuts down several key threats to stall. First and foremost, it is a spin blocker. Obviously, my team needs a spin blocker because I use every type of entry hazard. Gengar also nullifies Reuniclus and Conkledurr, two serious threats to my team, with the combination of substitute and disable.
The substitute-disable combo is a seriously fun trick. It forces switches while I get another sub up, allowing Gengar to easily dispose of his new foe. Sometimes my opponent predicts the disable and switches into it. This would be a problem, but instead I can think of it as a fun challenge. For example, my opponent switched a Rotom-W into my disable. I simply countered it with Ferrothorn, forcing him to switch back to Conkledurr (who my Gengar had recently shut down). Then, I predicted his prediction by using leech seed while he used payback (expecting Gengar). Finally, I switched in Gengar on a drain punch, causing him to rage quit. In summary, Gengar is pure evil and suits my style perfectly.


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"Now that the stage is set, we can seize people's minds and hearts.”
-Ghetsis

Ghetsis (Excadrill) @ Life Orb
Trait: Sand Rush
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- X-Scissor
- Brick Break

Here we have the newest member of my team, Excadrill. He used to be named after Giallo, the sage that can be found in the forest, but I soon realized that the name Ghetsis is a much better fit (Giallo was Latias’s name anyway). Like Ghetsis, Excadrill is power hungry and dangerous. His job is to clean up the remains of my opponent’s team once the entry hazards had taken their toll. For this reason, I have opted to use four attacking moves instead of the swords dance set because Excadrill already has all the power he needs to finish enemies off.
The biggest problems for Excadrill are Gliscor, Conkledurr, and weather changers. Gengar can handle Gliscor and Conkledurr with disable, but if he’s not around I have to rely on my walls to kill them slowly. This can be a problem, so any suggestions on how to deal with it are welcome. As for weather changers, Politoed is set up bait for Ferrothorn and Ninetales is set up bait for Tentacruel. I can usually wear down my opponent’s weather changer with entry hazards because they switch in multiple times to change the weather back after Hippowdon stirs up a sandstorm. Overall, Excadrill receives sufficient support that allows him to perform well.

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"Constant dripping wears away the stone.”
-Rood

Rood (Tentacruel) @ Black Sludge
Trait: Liquid Ooze
EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Toxic Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Scald
- Hex

Here we have Rood, a Tentacruel named after the sage that can be seen watching the ocean. Tentacruel serves two extremely important roles on this team, rapid spinning and laying toxic spikes. Rapid spin helps keep my team healthy because I tend to do a lot of switching and toxic spikes wear down opponents, especially enemy walls.
Tentacruel also does well as a defensive Pokemon. Its ability, liquid ooze, makes it the perfect candidate to switch into a drain punch if Gengar has been weakened or is out of commission. Liquid ooze also protects it from leech seed, so it can safely rapid spin on enemy Ferrothorns and maybe even try to get a burn on it with scald. Hex is there because most enemies will be poisoned, so hex’s power will increase.
Tentacruel’s biggest threat is Reuniclus. As mentioned before, Gengar does a good job at shutting down Reuniclus. As for weaknesses, Ferrothorn covers Tentacruel’s weaknesses very well (except for ground, which Gengar covers). In exchange, Tentacruel takes fire and fighting attacks for Ferrothorn with ease. Together, they form a resilient spiking duo.

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“Once more, we will test you to learn what it is you are.”
-Bronius

Bronius (Ferrothorn) @ Leftovers
Trait: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 48 Def / 208 SDef
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Spikes
- Leech Seed
- Gyro Ball
- Protect

Ferrothorn is one of the most common Pokemon in OU and with good reason. He is a fantastic wall with a unique and exceptional typing. My Ferrothorn, named after the sage Bronius who lurks in Chargestone Cave, is the team’s spiker and a good one at that. He comes in to wall something like Politoed, and then sets up either spikes or leech seed with ease. Speaking of Politoed, Ferrothorn counters many rain sweepers. Toxicroak is really the only rain Pokemon that really threatens him and Hippowdon deals with him perfectly.
Ferrothorn also boasts an all-important resistance to dragon. This resistance, combined with his ability, hurts outrage users and tanks draco meteors. While dragon is his greatest resistance, his greatest weakness is fire. Tentacruel resists fire attacks, while Blissey also does a good job taking special fire attacks. Ferrothorn is the last of my entry hazard Pokemon, but not my last wall.

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“The dreams you realize with your own abilities are the real dreams."
-Gorm

Gorm (Blissey) @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Wish
- Heal Bell
- Protect
- Seismic Toss

Blissey is the final wall on my team. She is named after Gorm because he appears in the dreamyard, a place that reminds me of Blissey. Her roles on the team are to keep my other team members healthy and to be a special wall. Wish and heal bell are the main moves here because the recover health and status, respectively. Protect stalls for toxic damage and wish healing, while seismic toss provides reliable damage if I need it.
Blissey’s biggest enemies are fighting types. Gengar covers them well, especially those that carry only two types of moves like Conkledurr. Tentacruel also resists fighting and punishes drain punchers. Physical sweepers that can hurt Blissey can also be dealt with by Hippowdon, who can roar them out if they start boosting their stats. Blissey is the glue that keeps this team together, so it is imperative that she stays alive. I just love it when a nearly dead Gengar is brought back to full health while coming in to block a fighting type move.


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So, there you have it. My first RMT is finally complete. I hope you enjoyed it; I tried to present it as best as I could. Any help is appreciated. I’ve done fairly well with this team on the ladder, but there may be some glaring weakness that I missed… Thanks in advance!​
 
The large pictures were a little distracting, but I think I can still help you.

Good team overall, but your team does not have enough resistance to Dragon types imo. Basically every non-weather based team carries a powerful dragon type like Latios, Dragonite, or Hydreigon, and using the right moveset, any one of the above three will break the stall and end the match. A bulky Metagross (see the analysis, I can't remember which one) will give you a useful dragon resist as well as packing a punch to make playing other stall teams less boring.
 
I really think you could benefit from adding Skarmory in Ferrothorn's current team slot. The set I recommend is

Skarmory @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Brave Bird
- Spikes
- Roost
- Whirlwind

This is just a standard Skarmory set, but it gives you a reliable switch-in to excadrill (who is the main reason for adding this) and haxorus. It retains pretty much all of the utility ferrothorn had with the exception of being one of the premiere excadrill walls.
 
Have you considered trying Rapid Spin > Brick Break on Excadrill? It's extremely effective at clearing away hazards because no ghost type can safely switch in - they are all 2HKO'd by Earthquake. This would take alot of pressure off Tentacruel, letting it focus completely on setting up Toxic Spikes. If you do make this change, I highly recommend using an Air Balloon as Excadrill's item. Losing 10% of his health just to get rid of hazards just isn't worth it, whereas with Air Balloon you grant yourself alot more longevity by becoming temporarily immune to the spikes you're trying to spin. With all the hazard support, the loss in power shouldn't be too big a deal.

Your use of Gengar as a spinblocker really doesn't fit on a full stall team like this, especially since you're cutting into your own health with Substitute and have no reliable way to get HP back. My suggestion is to try Jellicent in his place. He can take on all spinners effectively (even Excadrill, with the spread I am recommending) and help break opposing stall. Lastly, he gives you a way of countering ChestoRest Volcarona, who can be quite a problem for this team to face.

Jellicent @ Leftovers | Bold | Water Absorb | EVs: 240 HP / 176 Def / 92 Spe
Scald | Taunt | Toxic | Recover

These changes should help you out significantly. Good luck with your team!
 
SMALL CHANGES

“Hurry and fall through the flowing sands!"
-Ryoku

Ryoku (Hippowdon) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Slack Off
- Roar

Looks good.


"Right now, I'm shivering. I'm suffering, but I'm alive."
-Zinzolin

Zinzolin (Gengar) @ Black Sludge
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Disable
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast

Also fine.


"Now that the stage is set, we can seize people's minds and hearts.”
-Ghetsis

Ghetsis (Excadrill) @ Air Balloon
Trait: Sand Rush
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- X-Scissor
- Swords Dance / Return

With your team mostly not airborne, Excadrill will need this to check many of the OU threats, such as Landorus with EQ. Brick Break offers redundant coverage and thus not recommended. If you are to check opposing Excadrill you are better off using actual counters.


"Constant dripping wears away the stone.”
-Rood

Rood (Tentacruel) @ Black Sludge
Trait: Liquid Ooze
EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Toxic Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Scald
- Ice Beam

Hex does shit. Use Ice Beam for coverage.


“Once more, we will test you to learn what it is you are.”
-Bronius

Bronius (Ferrothorn) @ Leftovers
Trait: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 48 Def / 208 SDef
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Spikes
- Leech Seed
- Power Whip
- Gyro Ball / Protect

Typical Semi-Stall Ferrothorn, although I suggest you replace Gyro Ball with Power Whip if it is your only attacking move because of PP issues.

Also, female Ferrothorn for Rivalry Haxorus... (why am I doing this)
“The dreams you realize with your own abilities are the real dreams."
-Gorm

Gorm (Blissey / Chansey) @ Leftovers / Eviolite
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Wish
- Heal Bell
- Protect
- Seismic Toss / Flamethrower

Blissey is good as always, although take advantage of the increased sp.atk or use Eviolite Chansey as it take hits much better.



Threats you listed:
Gliscor - Gengar is the only thing you can switch into.
Conkeldurr - Only Ferrothorn can switch into it.
Reuniclus - Pretty much KOes your team with Psyshock.

With you strategy though, they are usually managable. I see a bigger problem: Choice Band Scizor can spam U-turns to Hurt your walls. Thundurus with Nasty Plot can dent your team, especially if the sand is gone.
 
Hey there.

I agree with BKC about adding Rapid Spin on Excadrill, and Jellicent in place of Gengar. Gengar isn't really useful on a team that's mainly stall, and isn't that good of a spin blocker due to it's extreme frailty.

Because Excadrill now has Rapid Spin, and because Jellicent now serves a bulky water role and helps with rain teams, you can replace Tentacruel, as all you're really using it for now is Toxic Spikes. A very underrated pokemon for this job is Nidoqueen, who can fit in your team perfectly.

Nidoqueen @ Leftovers
Trait: Sheer Force
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SAtk
Bold Nature
- Toxic Spikes
- Flamethrower
- Ice Beam
- Earth Power

Nidoqueen can be very good if played correctly, resisting common attack types such as Rock and Fighting. Flamethrower destroys pokemon such as Scizor, Ferrothorn and Forretress, while Ice Beam destroys dragons and Gliscors. Sheer Force allows Nidoqueen to hit with some power even without any investment, allowing you to increase it's bulk. Nidoqueen would also give you another counter to Toxicroak, Lucario, Terrakion, etc. Wish passing from Blissey will keep Nidoqueen healthy, making it even better.

Run Power Whip over Gyro Ball on Ferrothorn, as 8 PP is pretty terrible for a wall's only attacking move. Also, replace Protect with Thunder Wave, as although the scouting is useful, being able to paralyze pokemon immune to Toxic Spikes such as Rotom-W, Thundurus, and Latios is always useful, especially for a stall team.

Overall, solid team.
 
Hi

This is a nice looking stall team and the presentations was pretty good as well so good job on that.

I agree with the suggestions of Rapid Spin + Air Balloon Excadrill and Jellicent who will give you an easier time against stall as well as cover some of the threats against your team. If you want to make up for the loss of Disable you could try out the Cursed Body ability on Jellicent which has a similar effect. Power Whip is also a good suggestions as it will make it easier for you to handle threats as Rotom-W and Gyarados. Using it over either Protect or Gyro Ball is good option.

To help you with your weakness against Calm Mind Reuniclus and the likes I'm gonna suggest you put Latias back into your team. With Toxic on Jellicent and Rapid Spin on Excadrill, Tentacruel isn't needed that much anymore so I suggest you replace him with Latias. A moveset of Calm Mind / Dragon Pulse / Roost / Roar will suffice. 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 Spe is the standard but good enough EV spread on this particular Latias set. If you take this Latias suggestion you could also change Roar on Hippowdon to Ice Fang so Taunt + Sword Dance Gliscor can't set up on you, and sweep your entire team from there. You will have Roar on Latias instead so you won't loose your phazer.

Lastly I'm gonna suggest a slightly different moveset on Blissey. With all your other members having some sort of recovery move I don't think Wish is that important. So instead of Wish + Protect, I suggest Toxic + Flamethrower. 2 Toxic inducers will make up for the loss of Toxic Spikes (although you could try to run Will-o-wisp on Jellicent now instead to make it easier to handle Ferrothorn and the likes of Terrakion better) and Flamethrower will prevent Scizor, Ferrothorn, Forretress and Skarmory from setting up on Blissey while it also gives you a better answer to opposing Sub + Disable Gengar.

You'll have to be careful around strong physical sweepers as Conkeldurr and Terrakion but once they are status'ed you should be able to stall them out. Other then that, this is a good example of a solid gen 5 stall team. Good luck!

EDIT: Obviously you should still use Softboiled on Blissey, which can easily fit instead of Heal Bell.
 
Alright, let's see what I've got here...

I like the recommendation of Skarmory because Excadrill has been a problem if its air balloon is up because Hippowdon can't EQ it. It takes outrages better than Ferrothorn too. I've tested rapid spin on Excadrill, Latias over Tentacruel, and Jellicent over Gengar and they've worked really well. I'd also love to use Nidoqueen, but I'm having a hard time fitting her in. The new Blissey moveset really does help make up for the lack of toxic spikes.

Oh, and sorry about the large pictures. For future reference, is there anyway to change their size? Thanks for the help.
 
Hey there,

This is a really nice team seriously! I'd really like to use Hippowdon after reading it. It looks so badass. Anyway, I'd like to point out that Thundurus on Rain teams will give you issues. If Sandstorm is up, Excadrill can get on Thunder or revenge kill it (it won't appreciate Focus Blast, and relying on revenge kill on a Stall team never does good), but if Rain is up, you're screwed. Since Hippowdon can't touch it and will get killed quickly by HP Ice, I wouldn't switch it in. Anyway, these are mind games, and we can't play them for you. However, I can help you check Thundurus better. I think that your team would benefit from Choice Scarf Tyranitar instead of Hippowdon (even if I like it a lot), firstly because it can screw Thundurus up (watch out for Focus Blast or Thunder's paralysis!) and can help with those spinblockers that will try to get on Excadrill. Since you have Skarm that checks Excadrill, it won't be a problem.

Tyranitar @ Choice Scarf
Sand Stream
Jolly
EVs : 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
-Stone Edge
-Crunch
-Pursuit
-Superpower

Still, switching Tyranitar into Thundurus is a gamble, but at least it doesn't need Sandstorm to be a check. Good luck!
 
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