My try at a Mega-Scizor team.

omnicloud7

Hey guys, I kind of wanted to build around a Mega Scizor team so I built this and tested it out on Pokemon Y and on Showdown. I've been doing quite a bit of success and have racked up a lot of wins with this team but there are times where I lose so badly. Firstly, here is my team:

Scizor @ Scizorite
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 HP / 40 Atk / 216 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- Swords Dance
- Roost
- X-Scissor

My bulky Scizor which is the main Pokemon of this team as he is the one I really wanted to try out and use. I often bring him out mid or late game depending on the opportunity to set up. I often do 3 Swords Dances as he is always bulky enough to get hit with almost anything besides Fire of course. Once set-up however, he is often still walled by other bulky Pokemon and those who resist his STAB Bullet Punch. But, there are times where he completely demolishes and OHKOs the rest of the opponent's team after being set-up right. Any tips on how to use him more effectively is much appreciated.

Rotom-Wash @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef
Calm Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Volt Switch
- Will-O-Wisp
- Rest

One of my special walls for the team. He is my main pivot and he can really take special damage as he is quite bulky. I often use him to burn other walls then Volt Switch out into other Pokemon to gain momentum. He is also what I switch into when a Pokemon threatens Scizor as he resists most of Scizor's weaknesses.

Greninja @ Life Orb
Ability: Protean
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Dark Pulse
- Grass Knot
- Ice Beam

The special Sweeper of the team. I like how he is always a counter for one of the opponent's main threats. A bit fragile though, but his great speed and STAB attacks always do good in most situations.

Talonflame @ Leftovers
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Brave Bird
- Swords Dance
- Flare Blitz
- Roost

Truly one of 6th Gen's best sweepers. That +1 priority Brave Bird really dents out opposing teams. One Swords Dance is all he needs to completely dent out the remaining team and there are times he even sweeps all of the opposing team's Pokemon by getting two Swords Dances.

Goodra (M) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Gooey
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
Modest Nature
- Sludge Bomb
- Fire Blast
- Thunderbolt
- Dragon Pulse

Another one of my Special Walls, it can really take damage and is very bulky while adding firepower by being able to dish out damage. Attacks like Ice Beam against it really aren't a threat as it can always take it without being overly damaged. It often dies due to physical damage though. (Dragon Claw, Outrage)

Mandibuzz (F) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Overcoat
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Foul Play
- Roost
- Taunt
- Defog

My team's Physical wall. A truly great Physical wall. It is used to counter all physical threats from the opposing team, taunt the utility Pokemon of the enemy, and to clear up any hazards that the enemy put in. I really like using this Mandibuzz as it has saved me countless times already.

So with all of that being said, what do you guys think should I improve on? I seem to have trouble fighting against teams with Blissey, Heatran, Florges, Umbreon or any other Wall Pokemon with Aromatherapy and superb healing capabilities. What do you guys suggest I change on this team? I was thinking I needed to add a Pokemon who knows Close Combat or Earthquake in order to check major threats against my team. I'm only a newbie who started playing competetively this gen btw so I really do have much to learn about competetive battling. Any help from you guys would certainly be welcomed :)
 
Just quickly Mega Scizor should have Bug Bite over X-Scissor because because of Technician Bug Bite is more powerful than X-Scissor. Also the Talonflame should have an EV set of 252 Attack/252 Speed/4 Def with an Adamant Nature so it can outspeed and kill threats like Mega Pinsir.
 
For bulky scizor I usually go 252hp/252 attk. He is bulky enough with mega form and health investment to not get obliterated, and the extra attack is more appreciated than defense (ideally you're killing things with him, not standing there taking special attacks to the face). Some bulk is nice but he is first and foremost an offensive mon. Plus you already have goodra! 2 physical walls on a team isn't unreasonable, but 2 special walls is usually pretty unnecessary.

Rotom: God every one of these rmt threads uses Chesto resto, its my least favorite set on him. If you want bulky rotom the leftovers/pain split set is great. He also does serious work with choice scarf/specs and trick.

Greninja: great mon, but never liked using him on the same team as rotom. Alakzam fills a similar role while giving slightly better coverage with a rotom partner (plus magic guard+focus sash). Honestly though you already have good speed with talonflame and priority scizor, you could put a good wall breaker here. Choice specs latios maintains good speed while taking a massive chunk of health out of anything that would otherwise wall and phase scizor/talonflame. You can deal with having two dragons on the team (the additional ice weakness is unfortunate, but outside of mammoswine powerful ice stabs aren't that common). I have to mention choice band Staraptor as a premiere talonflame partner as well, I can understand if you want to keep the special/physical balance though.

Goodra: you have him and scizor backwards haha, give goodra 252 SDef instead of atk. The fact that goodra gets good coverage moves is nice, but unlike scizor, it mostly exists for the sole purpose of taking special attacks, so make it as bulky as possible.

Mandibuzz: looks about right, though I would consider skarmory if you end up putting latios on the team, he is an even more sturdy wall and gets whirlwind plus the ever useful steel typing

Talonflame: what the person above me said
 
Really? Doesn't Scizor need the investment in SDef? I've tried it in Showdown and he can't seem to tank any sort of special attack good enough to setup properly.

Thank you for the tips! Gonna try out some of those.
 
TheSwagger said:
Just quickly Mega Scizor should have Bug Bite over X-Scissor because because of Technician Bug Bite is more powerful than X-Scissor. Also the Talonflame should have an EV set of 252 Attack/252 Speed/4 Def with an Adamant Nature so it can outspeed and kill threats like Mega Pinsir.
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Sadly, I don't have access to Bug Bite at the moment. I'm thinking of replacing X-Scissor btw. Do you guys recommend Thief? It gets the Technician Boost and can take out Steel Pokemon.
 
Oranos said:
For bulky scizor I usually go 252hp/252 attk. He is bulky enough with mega form and health investment to not get obliterated, and the extra attack is more appreciated than defense (ideally you're killing things with him, not standing there taking special attacks to the face). Some bulk is nice but he is first and foremost an offensive mon. Plus you already have goodra! 2 physical walls on a team isn't unreasonable, but 2 special walls is usually pretty unnecessary.

Rotom: God every one of these rmt threads uses Chesto resto, its my least favorite set on him. If you want bulky rotom the leftovers/pain split set is great. He also does serious work with choice scarf/specs and trick.

Greninja: great mon, but never liked using him on the same team as rotom. Alakzam fills a similar role while giving slightly better coverage with a rotom partner (plus magic guard+focus sash). Honestly though you already have good speed with talonflame and priority scizor, you could put a good wall breaker here. Choice specs latios maintains good speed while taking a massive chunk of health out of anything that would otherwise wall and phase scizor/talonflame. You can deal with having two dragons on the team (the additional ice weakness is unfortunate, but outside of mammoswine powerful ice stabs aren't that common). I have to mention choice band Staraptor as a premiere talonflame partner as well, I can understand if you want to keep the special/physical balance though.

Goodra: you have him and scizor backwards haha, give goodra 252 SDef instead of atk. The fact that goodra gets good coverage moves is nice, but unlike scizor, it mostly exists for the sole purpose of taking special attacks, so make it as bulky as possible.

Mandibuzz: looks about right, though I would consider skarmory if you end up putting latios on the team, he is an even more sturdy wall and gets whirlwind plus the ever useful steel typing

Talonflame: what the person above me said
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Alright gonna try out other EV spread on Scizor. What do you recommend as another move for Rotom though? If I'm going to use Leftovers instead of Chesto Berry, I should replace Rest right? Should I go for Protect?
 
TheSwagger said:
Just quickly Mega Scizor should have Bug Bite over X-Scissor because because of Technician Bug Bite is more powerful than X-Scissor. Also the Talonflame should have an EV set of 252 Attack/252 Speed/4 Def with an Adamant Nature so it can outspeed and kill threats like Mega Pinsir.
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In reply to this, a 252 attack/252 speed isn't always the best on talonflame, it needs the hp to survive some hits. I like to go 64 speed evs on talon to outspeed threats like jolly excadrill and I think pinsir (haven't done the exact calc in a While XD)
 
If you're going to give him a dark move it might as well be pursuit or knock off, both of which provide much more value than thief thanks to their utility. As for his Def investment; I tried both and was usually OK to get off a swords dance without him being ko'ed. I mean as long as you don't bring him in on an attack from a powerful special attacker (which you shouldn't do with him even with SDef investment...that's what goodra is for) he can usually come in on a non fire using bulky mon and get off a swords dance or two. Ideally though he will come in off of a rotom volt switch after rotom has taken the attack already. If you can be good about when you bring him in, the attack investment will really help him clean house. If you feel more comfortable with defensive investment then by all means stick with it :D

For leftovers rotom the common build is volt switch/hydro pump/will-o-wisp/pain split
 
Oranos said:
If you're going to give him a dark move it might as well be pursuit or knock off, both of which provide much more value than thief thanks to their utility. As for his Def investment; I tried both and was usually OK to get off a swords dance without him being ko'ed. I mean as long as you don't bring him in on an attack from a powerful special attacker (which you shouldn't do with him even with SDef investment...that's what goodra is for) he can usually come in on a non fire using bulky mon and get off a swords dance or two. Ideally though he will come in off of a rotom volt switch after rotom has taken the attack already. If you can be good about when you bring him in, the attack investment will really help him clean house. If you feel more comfortable with defensive investment then by all means stick with it :D

For leftovers rotom the common build is volt switch/hydro pump/will-o-wisp/pain split
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Ah... well... I have no access to Pain Split :( Didn't really play much last gen and I already sold my copy of BW2.

Anyways, I'm gonna try and change the EV spread on Scizor and try him out on Showdown.

I feel that I have a need to put a Pokemon with EQ or Close Combat on my team. Who do you guys suggest and who should I take out?
 
I was actually thinking that terrakion would be great on this team (either choice scarf or choice band). For replacement it has to be greninja or talonflame, I think replacing greninja is better (although losing grass coverage sucks, does goodra get energy ball or something?). Maybe since scizor is bulky you could replace rotom for terrakion and keep greninja (you wouldn't lose any coverage, and would gain a lot of firepower at the expense of some bulk).

If you don't have access to pain split then just stick with Chesto set
 
Oranos said:
I was actually thinking that terrakion would be great on this team (either choice scarf or choice band). For replacement it has to be greninja or talonflame, I think replacing greninja is better (although losing grass coverage sucks, does goodra get energy ball or something?). Maybe since scizor is bulky you could replace rotom for terrakion and keep greninja (you wouldn't lose any coverage, and would gain a lot of firepower at the expense of some bulk).

If you don't have access to pain split then just stick with Chesto set
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Thanks for the advice but... I've got a thing about against using Legendaries on my team lol
 
hey bro, id for sure use knock off on scizor over x-sciz. the extra 20 bp isnt worth the coverage and item loss. hidden power grass on greninja is much better, as its constant 60 bp hits most of the tier harder than grass knot, especially rotom-w and manaphy (20 bp each). Speed is important on talonflame. I'd make sure to run 208 speed to hit 340, which is important so your brave bird goes before pinsirs quick attack, which is necessary because of your spdef rotom-w. you're also missing stealth rock, the most important element to a competitive team lol. I'd try garchomp over goodra, which gives. you some more speed and power. Finally, I would try toxic over taunt, and leftovers on mandibuzz. the toxic damage, with stealth rock, softens up rotom-w for talonflame.


chomper set
Garchomp @ Yache Berry
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 Def
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock

gl
 
GaryTheGengar said:
you're also missing stealth rock, the most important element to a competitive team lol.
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Finally, I would try toxic over taunt, and leftovers on mandibuzz. the toxic damage, with stealth rock, softens up rotom-w for talonflame.
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With defog being carried by nearly every team out there, stealth rock is not as dominant as it has been in the past. I would argue that rocks are not necessary in many cases lol.

Since one of Rotom-W's most threatening sets is chesto-resto (especially to this team), toxic is pointless. Plus, what kind of mandibuzz is staying-in on Rotom-W?

Run tests on whether Garchomp actually adds anything. Goodra worked nicely here as something that can take literally anything rotom-A tosses-around.
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Also, do not listen to Oranos about Goodra's EV investment. The Assault Vest makes the 252 SpDef EV's wasteful--you are better off having all of those EV in Atk. No one will be attacking your Goodra with special moves anyways and it resists most of the moves that you will be switching it into anyways. No disrespect to Oranos, but those 252 EV's are in SpAtk so that they aren't wasted.

Also, do not listen to what Oranos is saying about MegaSciz's usefulness. He or she is proveably wrong with the following statement:

Life-Orb regular Scizor deals more damage than Scizorite (mega) Scizor.

The only thing that Mega-Sciz has over regular Sciz is its defenses. MegaSziz is basically a regular scizor with jacked-up defense and special defense.
Scizor: 70 - 130 - 100 - x - 80 - 65
Mega: 70 - 150 - 140 - x - 100 - 75

Life-Orb Scizor lends itself to being the stronger attacker and Mega-Sciz is bulkier and tankier. Keep this in mind when making an EV spread: you had it right the way it is in your post.
 
I totally agree that normal scizor can out-damage mega scizor, but with goodra already on the team (regardless of special defense or offense spread), you don't want to use scizor as a special wall. A bulky offense mon is one with 252hp investment, good natural defenses, and the ability to pump out respectable damage. When you start over investing in defense (his item is already essentially a defensive investment, as you note), you change from bulky offense to tank, which he isn't. With so many other teammates already heavily invested in defense, I just feel like giving scizor more kick will help him bullet punch sweep. The best spread is probably the part defense/part attack spread that shootingstarmie posted in the official scizor thread, so you might want to check that out

I do see your point with goodra, I personally like maximizing the wall aspect, but letting it pump out some more damage works too.
 
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