Mixed- temporary- wall and anti blissey giratina

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siegmund

well, i ve been using it for sometime, and i have to say it works pretty well... until your opponents finds its moveset. this is my first thread and first time i post a pokemon moveset

Giratina item : leftover
Nature: careful
Hp: 220 Evs
Def: 196 ev
special def :94
Moves:
Dragon Claw
Shadowball
Calm mind
will o wisp

220 ev in hp makes your giratina 496 hp, leftover will always recover 31 hp for it since its 1/16. def and special def will be 325 and 328.

this giratina uses the surprise factor to wall or maybe kO things. problem is, it wont work well as a lead. at any rate, once you switch this thing in something you are resistant or immune, on a choice spces aura sphere for example , the fun starts. Usually, many people are affraid of giratina since it will normaly will o wisp you. then another special attaquer might show up. in that turn, calm mind. the foe will now think that you have a special attacker or something else. prediction will come: if you think they will send theyr physical ataker, will o wisp, if you think its a special sponge ( blissey) dragon claw. by the way, giratina will 2hko or rarely 3hko a blissey with no evs in defence ( blisseys in ubers are 252 hp and special def). conclusion, this giratina works pretty well with the surprise factor but wont last to much cause of the lack of recovery moves. Its doomed againts toxic and taunt users, as well as fierce special attaquers. this pokemon should be sent out against a defensive pokemon to set up. once you start, its quite difficult to stop it though.
 
Why would you use Careful with Calm Mind? If you are looking for mixed then either Sassy or Relaxed works, or you could use Bold or Calm with Calm Mind and have Dragon Pulse over Dragon Claw.
 
I don't know about you, but even in ubers blissey is better when defensive. I wouldn't be running no defense at all because that just leaves you open to be KOed by any random physical attack, case and point here. I'd think it's common to run something like 252 Def 252 SDef calm.
 
Well, like i said, this set is only temporary and its great at kOing blissey in uber metagame. As i said, mostblisseys in ubers are only used as a special sponge since giratina is the main wall. so 252hp and 252 special def on blissey are comon in ubers ( not in the OU). when i said carefull, its only to use the maximun atk dragon claw in order to beat the likes of blissey. and calm mind will boost shadow ball, a move that hurst the vast majority of pokes in uber. as i said, this set is temporary until your opponent finds its weakness. these are phazers, taunters, toxicers and steel type ( but generaly, you can burn them and leave or atk some with a boosted shadow ball possibly 2hko them since some of them share the psychic attribute, like metagross or bronzong.)

edit: oh and like said, swicthing this guy can be difficult but it might pay off once youre set.
 
Wait, here's an EVEN BETTER one:

Roar
-Filler-
-Filler-
-Filler-

See? Counters Blissey like a charm.

EDIT: In case of recieving my third infraction today, I might aswell include something serious.

Why is Shadow Ball on that set? Calm Mind DOES boost its power, but it doesn't affect Blissey :/
And with a non-boosted Dragon Claw, I don't really see how it can win.
 
with the damage calculator, a dragon claw with no evs in atk hits blissey for around 395.2 damage on a no def evs blissey with neutral nature. as i said, blissey are generaly calm in ubers. and why would i atk blissey with shadow ball????? that boosted move is used againts other pokemons weak to it like mewtwo, mew , gosht or psychic arceus or even lugia.the move shadow ball is chosen since it can covers almost half of tthe uber metagame. of course, you wont sent giratina in the face of a choice specs dialga or palkia. thats why i said you need prediction with this set. it might not kill a lot, but it will weaken some pokes.
 
siegmund said:
with the damage calculator, a dragon claw with no evs in atk hits blissey for around 395.2 damage on a no def evs blissey with neutral nature.
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which damage calc did you use?
okay, firstly, bold blissey with at least some EV's in Def is the norm.
You will almost never face a blissey with no +DEF nature or EV's in Def.
Against one of these sets, it only does about 24-28%. Not too good:(
 
are you .... or what, IN THE UBER METAGAME, IF BLISS WANTS TO SURVIVE THE ONSLAUGTH OF UBERS SPECIAL ATKS WITH EASE IT NEEDS 252 Evs in hp and 252 in evs in special defence with a boosting nature like calm. THIS IS GENERALY THE BLISSY THAT we find in the UBER METAGAME, NOT the OVERUSED OK!! so even with 704hp ( wich is the max, a bliss with no evs in defence is 2hkoed!!! thats what im saying, isnt it clear or what??? And for the damage calculator i used psypokes damage one

edit: sorry for the insult but im talking about blissey with no defence evs here.k not bliss with 252 bold on it. of all the battles in uber that i had, the bliss wouldnt even stand to 2 of my giratina dragon claw. thats why im assuming bliss in ubers are mostly turned to special walling than trying to be physicaly stronger in defence.
 
All Blisseys ever in any tier should be using 252 EV's in defense. Large numbers of Hp EV's are not required; you optimise your defensive capabilities by going 252Def/252Sp.Def/6Hp. Uber Blisseys will always use Calm.

Even aginst a 0/252 Calm Blissey, you're not doing much above 30% at best.

EDIT: No Blissey should be using 252Hp EV's. Ever. Even in Ubers. It doesn't allow it to beat the stuff it didn't already (Kyogre)
 
siegmund said:
are you .... or what, IN THE UBER METAGAME, IF BLISS WANTS TO SURVIVE THE ONSLAUGTH OF UBERS SPECIAL ATKS WITH EASE IT NEEDS 252 Evs in hp and 252 in evs in special defence with a boosting nature like calm. THIS IS GENERALY THE BLISSY THAT we find in the UBER METAGAME, NOT the OVERUSED OK!! so even with 704hp ( wich is the max, a bliss with no evs in defence is 2hkoed!!! thats what im saying, isnt it clear or what??? And for the damage calculator i used psypokes damage one

edit: sorry for the insult but im talking about blissey with no defence evs here.k not bliss with 252 bold on it. of all the battles in uber that i had, the bliss wouldnt even stand to 2 of my giratina dragon claw. thats why im assuming bliss in ubers are mostly turned to special walling than trying to be physicaly stronger in defence.
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BLISSEY CARRIES FUCKING CALM MIND YOU TWAT

Either way, say hello to Rayquaza, Metagross, DeoxysA, Arceus, Groudon and co.
 
siegmund said:
are you .... or what, IN THE UBER METAGAME, IF BLISS WANTS TO SURVIVE THE ONSLAUGTH OF UBERS SPECIAL ATKS WITH EASE IT NEEDS 252 Evs in hp and 252 in evs in special defence with a boosting nature like calm. THIS IS GENERALY THE BLISSY THAT we find in the UBER METAGAME, NOT the OVERUSED OK!! so even with 704hp ( wich is the max, a bliss with no evs in defence is 2hkoed!!! thats what im saying, isnt it clear or what??? And for the damage calculator i used psypokes damage one

edit: sorry for the insult but im talking about blissey with no defence evs here.k not bliss with 252 bold on it. of all the battles in uber that i had, the bliss wouldnt even stand to 2 of my giratina dragon claw. thats why im assuming bliss in ubers are mostly turned to special walling than trying to be physicaly stronger in defence.
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The idea that Blissey can afford to leave its defense untouched in Ubers is completely absurd, and anyone that does should not expect to win against any reasonably skilled player. Besides, Blissey does NOT need max HP in Ubers, just max special defense and a Calm nature. The most common spread by far is along the lines of 4 HP/252 Def/252 Sp Def Calm.
 
Phoenix_Wright said:
BLISSEY CARRIES FUCKING CALM MIND YOU TWAT

Either way, say hello to Rayquaza, Metagross, DeoxysA, Arceus, Groudon and co.
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Are you reffering to me? Learn to quote.
Not all Blisseys carry Calm Mind. Anyway, how does that concern physical attacks?
anyways, this is the most common spread for blissey:
Blissey@lefties
Calm
252 Def / 80 SpA / 176 SpD
Natural cure

But moves arent concered right now.

this does 24-28% with DC.
 
k, well if you say so then its ok, still this guy as done many blisseys koes for me so i only wanted to share the experience but it seems some of you are close minded. and to other guy who said sending rayquaza or something else, dont be a fool to send this thing on a super effective move,almost every giratina dies to a boosted outrage or a draco meteor from dialga palkia latios and latias. by the wayu, your moveset was pathetic to if your opponents sends a steel type. like mine, it has its weakness. finally, the blisseys that i fought always got 2hko. so how do you explain that unless you admit that some of them dont invest on physical defense. this set is a surprise defensive and attacking set. since it s not sturdy enough, it wont last longer as i mentionned before, but it will do some damage or might support your team.
 
Phoenix_Wright said:
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And Blissey will just heal off with Sofatboiled....
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Sofat boiled. lol

Can we just end the fuking discussion now?
Blissey carries Def EV's all the time, to stop stuff like this from happening.
Your Giratina will not deal enough damage to hurt it enough.
It can Heal it with leftovers, status you with thunder wave, and go in for the kill. Done.
 
What place on the Shoddy Ladder are you?
And I'm going to stop posting now. Chances are, I'll get infrated for anything more :D

EDIT: No, I'm not. FYI, Carful LOWERS Shadow Ball's power.....dick. Shouldn't it be calm instead? Just a suggestion.

EDIT 2: Aipom, it was a typo >.<
And yeah, this should be locked. It's not getting anywhere.
 
ill lock it, but carefull its only for not decreasing youre dragon claw atk. and as i said, this griatina only purpose is to multi wall and kill off some bliiseys with dragon claw ( the nature shouldnt be calm since it will then need to 3hko. ) thast is why i said that, well then ill close this
 
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