NOC Lumiose Legends Mafia - GAME OVER (Mafia Win)

I am Banette. My ability is Frisk, which tells me which mega stone (if any) someone is holding. I am essentially a role name cop. My mega ability is not useless, but if I claim my mega ability it pretty much becomes useless. I recognize that makes me look scummy af, but please just trust me on this point specifically. I will say that I have not mega evolved yet but I believe I will after tonight.

My N1 target was fairy: Unlike others, I suspected fairy as the wolf d1, but didn't have enough info to push this vote confidently. The way my role is phrased (specifically stated IF the target is holding a mega stone I find out which one) led me to the erroneous belief that Mega Ray was in this game as the most unique mega evolution, and that the wolf was mega ray. Since my role is basically just a flavorhunt anyway, I decided that my actions would be best spent trying to find this mega ray neutral, and I began to probe here:
sunny004 said:
Anyway I have a couple of questions for everyone that are intended to be SUPPLEMENTAL to the current scumhunting convo (i.e. please don't let these be the focus of the convo but I'm curious to hear everyone's thoughts).

Would have asked these earlier but I came up with these while I was sleeping so lol

1) How much are we thinking that the neutral is Mega Ray? I mean it makes a lot of sense because MRay is easily the most unique out of the megas

2) I'd be curious to hear how we think scum's gameplay adjusts with daytalk disabled and how we can use that to our advantage. This is a bit where my peanut gallery experience fails b/c most of the games have had daytalk enabled. I'm curious to hear Duskfall98 's take in particular (although don't use this as an excuse to stop scumhunting!)
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fairy was one of only two players to respond negatively (the other being tommy):
a fairy said:
re: mega ray
not intending to flavor hunt

re: daytalk disabled
that is wack imo, maf must be pretty powerful to make up for it?
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Fairy was also the only player besides me d1 to bring up the wolf unprompted:
a fairy said:
i guess either of lechen or hh could be a wolf
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But when I frisked her and found gengarite I dropped the subject because again I was expecting a Mega Ray neutral.

My N2 target was CK, again thinking that he could be the wolf from his claim. I can confirm that CK is holding Latiosite, which is why I do not want to push him today.

My N3 target was charlie for similar reasons. He is holding Venusaurite.
 
After having more time to stew over this (and now that my claim is actually public) the fact that AG's role is essentially just a straight upgrade of mine and blazade's roles combined makes me doubt that it could be town. As many have said before, the lack of mafia daytalk needs to be compensated by other buffs (namely, role power) and I think scum!AG could be a good example of this.

Vote Aura Guardian
 
Aura Guardian said:
So at a fairy/Mekkah's request, I tested NE's claim. Would Tyranitar please stand up?
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Aura Guardian said:
I steal the Mega Stone and in so doing get a one-shot of their active Mega power, suppressing theirs for 3 nights. It's a partial role cop, partial temporary vanillizer.

Hence why I want Tyranitar to explain their Mega power, because something funny is going on and it's better if they speak up before I do.
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And to clarify the stewing over was over this post. I guess I should have asked AG this earlier, but I was under the impression that he just got the flavor + ability name of the mega ability. I was also unaware that he stole + learned of the name of the mega stone until the 2nd quoted post here, which raised some serious alarm bells in my head because again, it's just a straight upgrade of my role (and to a lesser extent blazade, combined).

Granted, town AG could exist in a world where both bluedoom's and des's roles are on town, but I personally doubt it.
 
Vizh/Mekkah - We aren't Tyranitar, and it's not hard to make a guess as to what we are
AG - is AG
JALMONT
Hydro - <based on their ability I have an assumption>
NE - hasn't posted since
Neon

As far as I know these are the players whose flavor hasn't been mentioned yet and I assume could possible be Tyranitar, so I am very interested/confused as to AG's line of questioning here
 
sunny004 said:
And to clarify the stewing over was over this post. I guess I should have asked AG this earlier, but I was under the impression that he just got the flavor + ability name of the mega ability. I was also unaware that he stole + learned of the name of the mega stone until the 2nd quoted post here, which raised some serious alarm bells in my head because again, it's just a straight upgrade of my role (and to a lesser extent blazade, combined).

Granted, town AG could exist in a world where both bluedoom's and des's roles are on town, but I personally doubt it.
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This is unironically my biggest hesitation here, even though I agree the role is scummy especially given yours
 
I can confirm I am Venusaur.

I don’t actually know what benefit flavour cop has but this is definitely a lot of info for town if all of these are real. I don’t think sunny/AG’s a hard 1v1 because Two Roleblockers (Flandrs why) but I think I wanna look between these two for the vote today.

Need to walk my dog but will be back in a bit.
 
also also last thought before going but NE’s passive redirect is confirmed BUT if they are allegedly a protective backup what are they actually meant to backup? The nexus, what is effectively a second round of a role that can kill maf while blocking their kill or presumably HH? seems very weird.
 
charlieum said:
also also last thought before going but NE’s passive redirect is confirmed BUT if they are allegedly a protective backup what are they actually meant to backup? The nexus, what is effectively a second round of a role that can kill maf while blocking their kill or presumably HH? seems very weird.
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There's enough defensive roles afaik where it makes sense
 
Vizh said:
That number being 4: wisp, Hydro, AligningStar, me/Mekkah
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Think about it this way: aside from you/Mekkah all 3 of those roles have abilities that stop themselves from dying at night. Hydro can’t die in the day either. If we assume all 4 are real it is a backup of 3-4 roles who are incredibly bad at dying. There’s also the logistics of backing up a mason if you’re not lying - what does that look like?
 
JALMONT said:
The weird thing about the AF kill is you would think the mafia would try to push a vote on them if they knew they were 3p. So why night kill? AF as a nk seems…really random and not ideal? Were they worried af might pull the trigger and kill them? Unlikely right with no burn notification. So bad luck (more like good luck for them)?

The issue I have is the kill justification is just strange - who was af beefing with I don’t remember. I vaguely pulsar?
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Re: the AF kill, my working theory is that they thought she was too clean and had to go sooner rather than later. Means Mekkah and I are more likely on the block than others, at least if they think they can't push the vote onto us.
 
charlieum said:
Think about it this way: aside from you/Mekkah all 3 of those roles have abilities that stop themselves from dying at night. Hydro can’t die in the day either. If we assume all 4 are real it is a backup of 3-4 roles who are incredibly bad at dying. There’s also the logistics of backing up a mason if you’re not lying - what does that look like?
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Hmm that’s true I suppose
 
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