Doubles Ludicolo

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Overview
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  • Is an excellent Rain-based attacker
  • 4x resist to Water-type moves also makes it a great Rain check, alongside its ability Swift Swim
  • Has access to Fake Out, which is a great way to disrupt your opponent's moves
  • While it appreciates having Rain, it is by no means solely dependent on Rain, so you can use it in other weathers too
  • On the downside, its typing means it misses out on some resists that come from its Rain or Grass typing, such as to Ice, Fire, and Electric
  • Also, it's not frail, but not bulky either, so a powerful attack can put it in serious danger.
Special Attacker
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name: Special Attacker
move 1: Fake Out
move 2: Hydro Pump
move 3: Giga Drain
move 4: Ice Beam / Protect
ability: Swift Swim
item: Assault Vest / Lum Berry
evs: 104 HP / 252 SpA / 152 Spe
nature: Modest

Moves
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  • Fake Out is one of the best moves in the tier, and being able to render an opposing Pokemon immobile is a great way to disrupt your opponent and potentially KO the Pokemon
  • Hydro Pump is the main STAB, has great neutral coverage and is very powerful
  • Giga Drain is secondary STAB, cool to hit Water-types such as Rotom-W and Azumarill, also recovers some health which can be useful to keep Ludicolo in a good percentage range
  • Ice Beam hits Grass and Dragon-types that don't really mind a Hydro Pump or Giga Drain
  • Protect shields you from damage when needed and can help you dodge a KO
Set Details
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  • The EV spread is able to outspeed up to Scarf Lando-T in Rain
  • Assault Vest makes it even bulkier on the Special side, and works well since Ludicolo usually doesn't have room for Protect, as all the other moves are usually needed to make Ludicolo as effective as possible.
  • Lum Berry is a good option since Ludicolo is frequently the target of Thunder Waves, although Thunder Wave isn't as common.
  • Life Orb adds power to nab some extra KOs but 10% recoil for every attack can bite, especially without Protect (10% to use Fake Out is brutal)
  • Modest is the preferred nature for as much power as possible. Also, with Swift Swim you've already got a lot of speed.

Usage Tips
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  • Bringing in Ludicolo late game is a great strategy so it can clean up weakened teams with its Rain-boosted Speed and attacks
  • Conserve Ludicolo if you see a Pokemon that is likely carrying Thunder Wave, such as Thundurus, as being hit by a Thunder Wave will ruin Ludicolo's sweeping capabilities.
  • Fake Out is a great tool to pressure the opponent into making certain plays and create free turns for your partner.
  • Ludicolo works great early game as a pivot also due to its bulk with Assault Vest and access to Fake Out.

Team Options
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  • Politoed is an amazing partner due to how much Ludicolo appreciates Rain. Also has Helping Hand to make up for Ludicolo's middling power level.
  • Pokemon such as Landorus-Therian that appreciate Ludicolo's ability to handle Water-types can make for good partners.
  • Anything that appreciates the free turns bought by Fake Out could potentially be a good partner for Ludicolo.
  • Pokemon that threaten Talonflame make for good partners
  • Pokemon with Intimidate such as Landorus-Therian, Hitmontop, and Scrafty make for good partners to patch up Ludicolo's lower Defense stat.

Other Options
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  • Energy Ball or Grass Knot make good options for alternative STABs due to higher power
  • Scald
  • Bulkier set w/ Sitrus Berry
  • Substitute
  • Leech Seed
  • Sunny Day
  • Teeter Dance

Checks & Counters
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  • Abomasnow removes Rain and has no trouble taking Ludicolo's attacks
  • Scarf Genesect can outspeed Ludicolo even in Rain and hits it with powerful Bug-type attacks
  • Talonflame has priority Brave Bird to KO Ludicolo and circumvent its Swift Swim
  • Thundurus can cripple Ludicolo with a Thunder Wave
  • Bulky Trick Room setters such as Cresselia can turn Ludicolo's high speed under Rain into a liability.
  • Charizard-Y removes rain and weakens Ludicolo's strongest STAB with Sun.
  • Bulkier Pokemon can take a hit and deal solid damage such as Mega Kangaskhan, and Mega Heracross.
  • Pokemon with Assault Vests do well against Ludicolo, such as Scrafty, Conkeldurr, and Goodra.
Overview
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While the loss of permanent rain was a negative, Ludicolo is still a potent rain attacker; its immunity to powder moves allows it to switch into Spore and ignore Rage Powder, meaning it can get around Amoonguss, a common check to rain teams. In addition, its 4x resistance to Water-type attacks coupled with its Swift Swim ability makes it a great check to opposing rain teams; it can thus be used on non-rain teams as well. Fake Out is an excellent move that lets Ludicolo disrupt opposing strategies, and when rain is up, Ludicolo becomes the fastest Fake Out user in the metagame. However, it does have some problems of its own. For example, while its Water / Grass typing allows it to handle Pokemon such as Rotom-W that normally check rain sweepers, this typing also causes Ludicolo to miss out on some resistances that would've been useful, such as ones to Fire-, Ice-, and Electric-type attacks. In addition, although Ludicolo isn't frail, it's not especially bulky either, so more powerful attacks from Pokemon such as Mega Kangaskhan can deal heavy damage to it.

Special Attacker
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name: Special Attacker
move 1: Fake Out
move 2: Hydro Pump
move 3: Giga Drain
move 4: Ice Beam / Protect
ability: Swift Swim
item: Assault Vest / Lum Berry
evs: 104 HP / 252 SpA / 152 Spe
nature: Modest

Moves
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This set is by far the most effective one to use on Ludicolo. Fake Out can disrupt strategies by rendering an opposing Pokemon immobile for a turn, potentially allowing a partner to KO them. Hydro Pump is the main STAB attack and is great due to its neutral coverage, high power, and the fact that it gets a 50% boost from rain. Giga Drain is an accurate secondary STAB attack, hitting Water-types that resist Hydro Pump such as Rotom-W or Azumarill; the passive recovery it provides also helps improve Ludicolo's longevity. Ice Beam is a good coverage option to hit the Grass- and Dragon-types that can sponge Ludicolo's STAB attacks. If those Pokemon aren't a problem for you, then Protect is another option, letting Ludicolo selectively shield itself from damage when needed and dodge potential KOs.

Set Details
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The EV spread grants Ludicolo as much power as possible as well as the ability to outspeed everything up to Choice Scarf Landorus-T when under rain. Assault Vest is the main option for an item as it boosts Ludicolo's special bulk, something that proves even more useful due to the fact that Ludicolo typically lacks room for Protect. Lum Berry is also usable to shield Ludicolo from Thunder Wave, particularly from Thundurus. Life Orb is a nice option to grant Ludicolo even more power, but the recoil can wear Ludicolo down quickly, especially without Protect.

Usage Tips
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A good idea is typically to bring in Ludicolo late-game once the opponent's team is weakened, where it can clean up with its Speed granted by Swift Swim and Water-type attacks. Also, if your opponent is carrying a Thunder Wave user such as Thundurus, play cautiously, as a paralyzed Ludicolo is infinitely less threatening than a healthy one. Fake Out is a great tool to use selectively to apply pressure on your opponent, force them into making certain plays, and create free turns for a partner, so make sure you use the move wisely. If you're not planning on using Ludicolo for a late-game sweep (or if you're sure you can keep it in good enough health to achieve said sweep), it makes for a great early-game pivot with its bulk (augmented by Assault Vest) and access to Fake Out.

Team Options
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Politoed makes for an amazing partner for Ludicolo, as the rain from Drizzle activates Ludicolo's Swift Swim ability and gives Hydro Pump a 50% power boost. Also, Politoed has Helping Hand to boost the power of attacks coming off of Ludicolo's middling base 90 Special Attack. Pokemon such as Landorus-T and Garchomp appreciate having Ludicolo as a partner due to its ability to handle Water-types such as Rotom-W that are problematic for them. Anything that appreciates the free turns bought by Fake Out, such as Substitute Heatran, could make for a good partner to Ludicolo. Pokemon such as Tyranitar and Rotom-W that threaten Talonflame are excellent partners as well, as Talonflame can get around Ludicolo's Swift Swim with Gale Wings and KO with a priority Brave Bird. Other good partners are Intimidate users such as Landorus-T, Scrafty, and Hitmontop that can patch up Ludicolo's lower Defense stat.

Other Options
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Moves such as Energy Ball or Grass Knot are alternative STAB options for Ludicolo due to their higher power than Giga Drain (although in the case of Grass Knot the power depends on the target). However, the healing from Giga Drain usually makes it a better move to use than Energy Ball, and it has a more reliable damage output than Grass Knot as well. Scald could be a replacement for Hydro Pump due to its 100% accuracy and 30% chance to burn the target, but a significantly lower damage output than Hydro Pump typically makes it the less desirable choice. A set with Sitrus Berry could work as a bulky pivot, but loses out on Ludicolo's ability to be a threatening sweeper. Substitute is an interesting option to shield Ludicolo from priority and status, but Ludicolo must then lose out on Assault Vest as well as a potential attacking move, making it hard to justify on a moveset. A set with Leech Seed and Rain Dish could be used, but it lacks much in the way of offensive presence and will usually be KOed by powerful attackers before it can hope to stall one out. Sunny Day is an option on Ludicolo to counter rain teams, as Ludicolo's typing lets it set up Sunny Day easily while threatening most Pokemon commonly used on rain teams. Finally, Teeter Dance can be used as a way to disrupt opposing Pokemon through confusion. However, the fact that it's luck-based and hits Ludicolo's partner makes it unreliable.

Checks & Counters
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**Opposing Weather**: Abomasnow is an excellent counter as it has no problem dealing with Politoed to set up hail, stripping Ludicolo of its preferred weather condition. In addition to this, Abomasnow can comfortably sponge all of Ludicolo's attacks and respond with a powerful attack of its own. Mega Charizard Y is a good check as Drought stops Swift Swim from working while simultaneously weakening one of Ludicolo's main STAB moves.

**Offensive Typing Advantage**: Bulky attackers such as Mega Kangaskhan and Mega Heracross can tank a hit from Ludicolo and deal heavy damage back, making them good checks. Assault Vest users such as Scrafty, Conkeldurr, and Goodra are able to tank powerful hits from Ludicolo and respond with attacks of their own.

**Speed**: Talonflame is an excellent check to Ludicolo as it has a priority Brave Bird to get around Ludicolo's Swift Swim and OHKO it. Choice Scarf Genesect is able to outspeed Ludicolo even under rain and hit it with a powerful Bug-type attack.

**Speed Control**: Thundurus is a good check as it can hit Ludicolo with a priority Thunder Wave, crippling it for the remainder of the match. Bulky Trick Room setters such as Cresselia can turn Ludicolo's high Speed under rain into a major liability, making them excellent checks to it.
 
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I've been using Ludicolo a whole heck of a lot lately :)
168 hp/252/88 spe beats base 130s in rain while having a heck ton of bulk and outspeeds uninvested base 80s such as Togekiss(and Heatran at 77 base).
Just 2 calcs to show the difference(it makes even more difference than this with Assault Vest calcs):
252 SpA Life Orb Latios Draco Meteor vs. 168 HP / 0 SpD Ludicolo: 277-328 (80.7 - 95.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Latios Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Ludicolo: 277-328 (92 - 108.9%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Terrakion Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ludicolo: 262-309 (87 - 102.6%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Terrakion Close Combat vs. 168 HP / 0 Def Ludicolo: 262-309 (76.3 - 90%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

I think Teeter Dance and Life Orb are both worthwhile mentions. Teeter Dance gives you a 75% chance of debilitating at least one Pokemon that turn or just forces switches which is cool too and a 94% chance over 2 turns which is cool with the average confusion lasting 2.5 turns.
Life Orb Hydro Pump in rain actually has a chance to 2hko Latios and LO lets you ohko all Heatran outside of rain. It does a whole lot of other things like guaranteed a ohko on charY outside of sun(2hko in sun) and score a 2hko with Giga Drain on Tyranitar in Sand and much more stuff. I have not personally used LO though, but I imagine it is the go-to set in NU for a reason.
252+ SpA Life Orb Ludicolo Hydro Pump vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Latios in Rain: 138-164 (45.6 - 54.3%) -- 47.7% chance to 2HKO
252+ SpA Life Orb Ludicolo Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Heatran: 382-452 (98.9 - 117%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
 
EVs: 180 HP / 252 SAtk / 76 Speed Timid Nature is the set i was using on most of my teams, if you don't want to go with a timid nature on Ludicolo, a spread of 104 / 252 / 152 can be used which outruns Scarf Landorus and everything else while rain is up.
 
EVs: 180 HP / 252 SAtk / 76 Speed Timid Nature is the set i was using on most of my teams, if you don't want to go with a timid nature on Ludicolo, a spread of 104 / 252 / 152 can be used which outruns Scarf Landorus and everything else while rain is up.
ok, changed
 
Overview:
  • No need to mention rain dish ewwwww
Set Details:
  • Wut Nature/EV spread of Scarf Landorus-T does Ludicolo outspeed?
  • Mention that Thunder Wave isn't very common anymore in Doubles. I would prefer Life Orb to be the second slash, but you were pretty adamant about Lum a while back on irc.
Usage Tips:
  • Ludicolo works great early game as a pivot also due to its bulk with Assault Vest and access to Fake Out.
  • "Pokemon that appreciate Ludicolo's ability to handle Water-types, such as Landorus-Therian can make for good partners." Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
  • Put partners that threaten Talonflame in here as well.
  • Intimidate partners help patch up Ludicolo's weaker Defense stat.
Other Options:
  • Energy Ball+Grass Knot hit harder as Grass-type STABs most of the time.
  • Teeter Dance
Checks & Counters:
  • Charizard-Y removes rain and weakens Ludicolo's strongest STAB with Sun.
  • Bulkier Pokemon can take a hit and deal solid damage such as Mega Kangaskhan, and Mega Heracross.
  • Pokemon with Assault Vests do well against Ludicolo, such as Scrafty, Conkeldurr, and Goodra.
 
<%Lolk> since when does ludicolo get twaved 9 games out of 10
<&Laga> that's ridiculously
<%Lolk> name one mon
<%Lolk> that constantly uses twave
<%Lolk> other than thundurus
<&Laga> nothing
<&Pwnemon> TOGEKISS: SHOULD
<&Laga> um
<&Pwnemon> BUT DOESNT
<&Pwnemon> (BAN ME PLEASE)
<&Laga> stunfisk
 
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(Ludicolo is fucking awesome)
 
Make sure you use specific examples for each bullet point in team options, and write out why each other option would be used.
 
<CDXCIV> Audiosurfer said 23 hours, 4 minutes, 31 seconds ago in #doubles: just stamp ludicolo pls, im well aware that the skeleton info needs to be expanded on when i start writing

okay qc 2/3 but if the writeup sucks I am going to kill you.
 
<CDXCIV> Audiosurfer said 23 hours, 4 minutes, 31 seconds ago in #doubles: just stamp ludicolo pls, im well aware that the skeleton info needs to be expanded on when i start writing

okay qc 2/3 but if the writeup sucks I am going to kill you.
Nigga I led dubs c&c, I'm sure I can manage to do a good writeup, no need to worry.
 
We're meant to be using these tags for checks and counters now. Also, I don't think you need to add the <p> thingies anymore. Maybe add Ferrothron and Mega Venu into Checks and Counters since they do a good job of stomping all over rain teams in general.

Other than that this is a solid write up, I'll stamp it when you do the checks and counters in the new format =]
 
We're meant to be using these tags for checks and counters now. Also, I don't think you need to add the <p> thingies anymore. Maybe add Ferrothron and Mega Venu into Checks and Counters since they do a good job of stomping all over rain teams in general.

Other than that this is a solid write up, I'll stamp it when you do the checks and counters in the new format =]
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Overview
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While one might think that Ludicolo would be worse this generation than it was in Gen 5 due to the loss of permanent Drizzle, in reality there are multiple factors that make it an excellent pick for a team. While the loss of permanent Drizzle was a negative, it gained an Ludicolo is still a potent rain attacker; its immunity to powder moves, (remove comma) allows it to switch into Spore and ignore Rage Powder, thus getting meaning it can get around Amoonguss, a common check to rain teams. In addition, its 4x resistance to Water-type attacks coupled with its Swift Swim ability makes it a great check to opposing rain teams; meaning that it is capable of being can thus be used on non-rain weather conditions teams as well. Fake Out is an excellent move that lets Ludicolo disrupt opposing strategies, and when rain is up, (add comma) Ludicolo becomes the fastest Fake Out user in the metagame. Although all of this might make one think that Ludicolo is flawless, However, it does have some problems of its own. For example, while its Water/Grass typing allows it to handle Pokemon such as Rotom-W that normally check rain sweepers, this typing also causes it Ludicolo to miss out on some resistances that would've been useful, such as ones to Fire-, Ice-, and Electric-type attacks. In addition, although Ludicolo isn't frail, it's not especially bulky either, so more powerful attacks from Pokemon such as Mega Kangaskhan can quickly put it in danger deal heavy damage to it.

(Do not write analyses in a way that emphasizes changes by generation. That's why I removed the first sentence)

Special Attacker
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name: Special Attacker
move 1: Fake Out
move 2: Hydro Pump
move 3: Giga Drain
move 4: Ice Beam / Protect
ability: Swift Swim
item: Assault Vest / Lum Berry
evs: 104 HP / 252 SpA / 152 Spe
nature: Modest

Moves
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This set is the most-used one for Ludicolo, and is typically by far the most effective set one to use on Ludicolo. Fake Out is great for its ability to can disrupt strategies by rendering an opposing Pokemon immobile for a turn, preventing them from using a move of their own for a turn and potentially allowing a partner to KO them. Hydro Pump is the main STAB attack, (remove comma) and is great due to its neutral coverage, high power, and the fact that it gets a 50% boost from Drizzle. Giga Drain is an accurate nice secondary STAB attack, and is a good option to hitting Water-types that resist Hydro Pump such as Rotom-W or and Azumarill; as well as for the fact that one doesn't have to risk a miss the passive recovery it provides also helps improve Ludicolo's longevity The fact that Ludicolo recovers some HP from the damage dealt by Giga Drain is a cool bonus to help extend Ludicolo's time on the field. Ice Beam is a good coverage option to hit the Grass- and Dragon-types that don't mind being hit by can sponge Ludicolo's STAB attacks. If those Pokemon aren't a problem for you, then Protect is another option, letting Ludicolo selectively shield itself from damage when needed and dodge potential KOs.

Set Details
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The EV spread is made to grants Ludicolo as much power as possible while giving it as well as the ability to outspeed up to Choice Scarf Landorus-T while in Rain under rain. Assault Vest is the main option for an item as since it gives Ludicolo a sharp increase in bulk on the Special Defensive side boosts Ludicolo's special bulk, something that proves even more useful since Ludicolo typically lacks room for Protect. Lum Berry is an option since Ludicolo will often be the target of a Thunder Wave, although Thunder Wave users aren't that common, with Thundurus being the only Pokemon in the tier that typically runs the move also usable to shield Ludicolo against Thunder Wave, particularly from Thundurus. A Life Orb is a nice option to grant Ludicolo even more power, but taking 10% recoil from every move will take its toll quickly the recoil can wear Ludicolo down quickly, especially without Protect.

Usage Tips
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A good idea is typically to bring in Ludicolo late-game once the opponent's team is typically weakened, when it can This allows Ludicolo to clean up the remains of the opponent's team with its rain-boosted Speed and Water-type attacks. Also, if your opponent is carrying a Thunder Wave user such as Thundurus or another Pokemon known to carry Thunder Wave, play cautiously, as a paralyzed Ludicolo is infinitely less threatening than a healthy one. Fake Out is a great tool to use selectively to apply pressure on your opponent, force them into making certain plays, and create free turns for a partner, so make sure you use the move wisely. If you're not planning on using Ludicolo for a late-game sweep (or if you're sure you can keep it in good enough health to achieve said sweep), it makes for a great early-game pivot due to with its bulk (augmented by Assault Vest) when combined with Assault Vest and its access to Fake Out.

Team Options
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Politoed makes for an amazing partner for Ludicolo, with its Drizzle since Ludicolo appreciates Politoed's Drizzle activating Ludicolo's Swift Swim ability and giving Hydro Pump a 50% power boost. Also, Politoed has Helping Hand to boost the power of attacks coming off of Ludicolo's middling base 90 Special Attack stat. Pokemon such as Landorus-T and Garchomp may appreciate having Ludicolo as a partner due to Ludicolo's its ability to handle Water-types such as Rotom-W that are problematic for them. Anything that appreciates the free turns bought by Fake Out, such as a Substitute Heatran, could make for a good partner to Ludicolo. Pokemon such as Tyranitar and Rotom-W that threaten Talonflame make for ("make for" is getting a bit too repetitive) are excellent partners to Ludicolo as well, since Talonflame can get around Ludicolo's Swift Swim with Gale Wings and KO Ludicolo with a priority Brave Bird. Other good partners are Pokemon Intimidate users such as Landorus-T, Scrafty, and Hitmontop, as their Intimidate ability lets them that can patch up Ludicolo's lower Defense stat.

Other Options
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Moves such as Energy Ball or Grass Knot could make for good options for an are alternative Grass-type STAB attack options for Ludicolo due to their higher power than Giga Drain (although in the case of Grass Knot the power shifts based depends on the target). However, the healing from Giga Drain usually makes it a better move to use than Energy Ball, and it has a more reliable damage output than Grass Knot as well. Scald could be a replacement for Hydro Pump due to its 100% accuracy rate and its 30% chance to burn the target, but a significantly lower damage output than Hydro Pump typically makes it the less desirable choice. A bulky set with Sitrus Berry could work as a bulky pivot, but loses out on Ludicolo's ability to be an offensively threatening sweeper. Substitute is an interesting move option to shield Ludicolo from priority and status, but the fact that it means that Ludicolo must then lose out on Assault Vest as well as a potential attacking move, making it hard to justify on a moveset. A set with Leech Seed and Rain Dish could be used, but it lacks much in the way of offensive output and will usually be KOed by high powered powerful attackers before it can hope to stall out an attacker one out. Sunny Day is an option on Ludicolo to counter rain teams, since Ludicolo has a 4x Water resistance, letting it set up Sunny Day fairly easily, while its typing lets it threaten many of the Pokemon typically found on Rain-based teams as Ludicolo's typing lets it set up the same easily while threatening most Pokemon commonly used on rain teams. Finally, Teeter Dance can be used as a way to disrupt opposing Pokemon through confusion. However, the fact that it's luck-based as well as that it and hits Ludicolo's partner makes it unreliable less than reliable.<


Checks & Counters
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**Opposing Weather**: Abomasnow is an excellent counter since it has no problem dealing with Politoed to set up hail, stripping Ludicolo of its preferred weather condition. In addition to this, Abomasnow has no trouble tanking any of the attacks typically used by Ludicolo, can comfortably sponge all of Ludicolo's attacks and can respond with a powerful attack of its own. Mega Charizard Y is a good check since Drought stops Swift Swim from working while simultaneously weakening one of Ludicolo's main STAB moves.

**Offensive Typing Advantage**: Bulky attackers Pokemon such as Mega Kangaskhan and Mega Heracross can tank a hit from Ludicolo and deal a significant amount of heavy damage back, making them good checks to Ludicolo. Pokemon that commonly use Assault Vest users such as Scrafty, Conkeldurr, and Goodra are able to tank powerful hits from Ludicolo and respond with attacks of their own.

**Speed**: Talonflame is an excellent check to Ludicolo since as it has a priority Brave Bird to get around Ludicolo's Swift Swim, and it easily KOs Ludicolo and OHKO it. Choice Scarf Genesect is able to outspeed Ludicolo even under rain and hit it with a powerful Bug-type attack.

**Speed Control**: Thundurus is a good check since with Prankster as it can hit Ludicolo with a priority Thunder Wave, rendering it crippling it for the remainder of the match. Bulky Trick Room setters such as Cresselia can use Trick Room to turn Ludicolo's high speed under rain into a major liability, making them excellent checks to Ludicolo it.

A little fluff-ridden in a few places, but the rest was all right.

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Overview
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While one might think that Ludicolo would be worse this generation than it was in Gen 5 due to the loss of permanent
Drizzle rain, in reality there are multiple factors that make it an excellent pick for a team. While losing permanent Drizzle rain was a negative, it gained an immunity to powder moves, allowing it to switch into Spore and ignore Rage Powder, thus getting around Amoonguss, a common check to rain teams. In addition, its 4x resistance to Water-type attacks coupled with its Swift Swim ability makes it a great check to opposing rain teams, meaning that it is capable of being used in non-rain weather conditions. Fake Out is an excellent move that lets Ludicolo disrupt opposing strategies, and when rain is up,(AC) Ludicolo becomes the fastest Fake Out user in the metagame. Although all of this might make one think that Ludicolo is flawless, it does have some problems of its own. For example, while its Water(add space)/(add space)Grass typing allows it to handle Pokemon such as Rotom-W that normally check rain sweepers, this typing also causes it to miss out on some resistances that would've been useful, such as ones to Fire-, Ice-, and Electric-type attacks. In addition, although Ludicolo isn't frail, it's not especially bulky either, so more powerful attacks from Pokemon such as Mega Kangaskhan can quickly put it in danger.

Special Attacker
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name: Special Attacker
move 1: Fake Out
move 2: Hydro Pump
move 3: Giga Drain
move 4: Ice Beam / Protect
ability: Swift Swim
item: Assault Vest / Lum Berry
evs: 104 HP / 252 SpA / 152 Spe
nature: Modest

Moves
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This set is the most-used one for Ludicolo, and is typically the most effective set to use. Fake Out is great for its ability to disrupt strategies by rendering an opposing Pokemon immobile for a turn, preventing them from using a move of their own for a turn and potentially allowing a partner to KO them. Hydro Pump is the main STAB attack, and is great due to its neutral coverage, high power, and the fact that it gets a 50% boost from
Drizzle rain Drizzle does not give it the boost. The rain, which is a result of Drizzle, does. Giga Drain is an accurate secondary STAB attack, hitting Water-types that resist Hydro Pump such as Rotom-W or Azumarill;. The passive recovery it provides also helps improve Ludicolo's longevity. Ice Beam is a good coverage option to hit the Grass- and Dragon-types that can sponge Ludicolo's STAB attacks. If those Pokemon aren't a problem for you, then Protect is another option, letting Ludicolo selectively shield itself from damage when needed and dodge potential KOs.

Set Details
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The EV spread grants Ludicolo as much power as possible as well as the ability to outspeed
everything up to Choice Scarf Landorus-T when under the effect of rain. Assault Vest is the main option for an item as it boosts Ludicolo's special bulk, something that proves even more useful since Ludicolo typically lacks room for Protect. Lum Berry is also usable to shield Ludicolo from Thunder Wave, particularly from Thundurus. Life Orb is a nice option to grant Ludicolo even more power, but the recoil can wear Ludicolo down quickly, especially without Protect.

Usage Tips
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A good idea is typically to bring in Ludicolo late-game once the opponent's team is weakened, where it can clean up with its
rain-boosted rain does not boost his Speed Speed granted by Swift Swim and Water-type attacks. Also, if your opponent is carrying a Thunder Wave user such as Thundurus, play cautiously, as a paralyzed Ludicolo is infinitely less threatening than a healthy one. Fake Out is a great tool to use selectively to apply pressure on your opponent, force them into making certain plays, and create free turns for a partner, so make sure you use the move wisely. If you're not planning on using Ludicolo for a late-game sweep (or if you're sure you can keep it in good enough health to achieve said sweep), it makes for a great early-game pivot with its bulk (augmented by(add space)Assault Vest) and access to Fake Out.

Team Options
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Politoed makes for an amazing partner for Ludicolo,
with its as the rain from Drizzle activating activates Ludicolo's Swift Swim ability and giving gives Hydro Pump a 50% power boost. Also, Politoed has Helping Hand to boost the power of attacks coming off of Ludicolo's middling base 90 Special Attack stat. Pokemon such as Landorus-T and Garchomp may appreciate having Ludicolo as a partner due to its ability to handle Water-types such as Rotom-W that are problematic for them. Anything that appreciates the free turns bought by Fake Out, such as Substitute Heatran, could make for a good partner to Ludicolo. Pokemon such as Tyranitar and Rotom-W that threaten Talonflame are excellent partners as well, since Talonflame can get around Ludicolo's Swift Swim with Gale Wings and KO with a priority Brave Bird. Other good partners are Intimidate users such as Landorus-Therian, Scrafty, and Hitmontop that can patch up Ludicolo's lower Defense stat.

Other Options
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Moves such as Energy Ball or Grass Knot are alternative STAB options for Ludicolo due to their higher power than Giga Drain (although in the case of Grass Knot the power depends on the target). However, the healing from Giga Drain usually makes it a better move to use than Energy Ball, and it has a more reliable damage output than Grass Knot as well. Scald could be a replacement for Hydro Pump due to its 100% accuracy and 30% chance to burn the target, but a significantly lower damage output than Hydro Pump typically makes it the less desirable choice. A set with Sitrus Berry could work as a bulky pivot, but loses out on Ludicolo's ability to be a
n offensively threatening sweeper all sweepers are offensive :/. Substitute is an interesting option to shield Ludicolo from priority and status, but Ludicolo must then lose out on Assault Vest as well as a potential attacking move, making it hard to justify on a moveset. A set with Leech Seed and Rain Dish could be used, but it lacks much in the way of offensive output presence and will usually be KOed by powerful attackers before it can hope to stall one out. Sunny Day is an option on Ludicolo to counter rain teams, as Ludicolo's typing lets it set up the same easily while threatening most Pokemon commonly used on rain teams this sentence confuses me. I have no idea what you are trying to say. Finally, Teeter Dance can be used as a way to disrupt opposing Pokemon through confusion. However, the fact that it's luck-(remove space)based and hits Ludicolo's partner makes it unreliable.

Checks & Counters
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**Opposing Weather**: (unbold and remove space after colon)
Abomasnow is an excellent counter since it has no problem dealing with Politoed to set up hail, stripping Ludicolo of its preferred weather condition. In addition to this, Abomasnow can comfortably sponge all of Ludicolo's attacks, and respond with a powerful attack of its own. Mega Charizard Y is a good check since Drought stops Swift Swim from working while simultaneously weakening one of Ludicolo's main STAB moves.

**Offensive Typing Advantage**: (unbold and remove space after colon)
Bulky attackers such as Mega Kangaskhan and Mega Heracross can tank a hit from Ludicolo and deal heavy damage back, making them good checks.(add space)Assault Vest users such as Scrafty, Conkeldurr, and Goodra are able to tank powerful hits from Ludicolo and respond with attacks of their own.

**Speed**: (unbold and remove space after colon)
Talonflame is an excellent check to Ludicolo as it has a priority Brave Bird to get around move before Ludicolo's Swift Swim,(RC) and OHKO it. Choice Scarf Genesect is able to outspeed Ludicolo even under rain and hit it with a powerful Bug-type attack.

**Speed Control**: (unbold and remove space after colon)
Thundurus is a good check as it can hit Ludicolo with a priority Thunder Wave, crippling it for the remainder of the match. Bulky Trick Room setters such as Cresselia can turn Ludicolo's high speed under rain into a major liability, making them excellent checks to it.

There were quite a few things missed here, such as simple misspellings and Smogon's mechanics.

GatoDelFuego can you look this over please
 
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Yeah got these changes. Some of them didn't save from the first check since the computer I was on at the library timed out, and I didn't notice when I resumed, so that's my bad there.
 
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Audiosurfer I know your computer shat on you, but you seem to have missed quite a few of my changes, especially in the Overview. Could you please go through my check once again and make the changes?
 
ok yeah Calm Pokemaster it appears to have not saved for when i got logged out (the overview and some of the moves section) but after lookin through all of the changes after that were added. sorry for this dude, i just assumed that it was trackin my changes as i was makin em since it saves this stuff. will be sure to verify should this issue come up again. fixed all the issues now so it should be fine, and it has the fixes from both your check and the am check now
 
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Overview
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While the loss of permanent rain was a negative, Ludicolo is still a potent rain attacker; its immunity to powder moves allows it to switch into Spore and ignore Rage Powder, meaning it can get around Amoonguss, a common check to rain teams. In addition, its 4x resistance to Water-type attacks coupled with its Swift Swim ability makes it a great check to opposing rain teams; it can thus be used on non-rain teams as well. Fake Out is an excellent move that lets Ludicolo disrupt opposing strategies, and when rain is up, Ludicolo becomes the fastest Fake Out user in the metagame. However, it does have some problems of its own. For example, while its Water / Grass typing allows it to handle Pokemon such as Rotom-W that normally check rain sweepers, this typing also causes Ludicolo to miss out on some resistances that would've been useful, such as ones to Fire-, Ice-, and Electric-type attacks. In addition, although Ludicolo isn't frail, it's not especially bulky either, so more powerful attacks from Pokemon such as Mega Kangaskhan can deal heavy damage to it.

Special Attacker
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name: Special Attacker
move 1: Fake Out
move 2: Hydro Pump
move 3: Giga Drain
move 4: Ice Beam / Protect
ability: Swift Swim
item: Assault Vest / Lum Berry
evs: 104 HP / 252 SpA / 152 Spe
nature: Modest

Moves
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This set is by far the most effective one to use on Ludicolo. Fake Out can disrupt strategies by rendering an opposing Pokemon immobile for a turn, potentially allowing a partner to KO them. Hydro Pump is the main STAB attack and is great due to its neutral coverage, high power, and the fact that it gets a 50% boost from rain. Giga Drain is an accurate secondary STAB attack, hitting Water-types that resist Hydro Pump such as Rotom-W or Azumarill; the passive recovery it provides also helps improve Ludicolo's longevity. Ice Beam is a good coverage option to hit the Grass- and Dragon-types that can sponge Ludicolo's STAB attacks. If those Pokemon aren't a problem for you, then Protect is another option, letting Ludicolo selectively shield itself from damage when needed and dodge potential KOs.

Set Details
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The EV spread grants Ludicolo as much power as possible as well as the ability to outspeed everything up to Choice Scarf Landorus-T when under rain. Assault Vest is the main option for an item as it boosts Ludicolo's special bulk, something that proves even more useful since due to the fact that Ludicolo typically lacks room for Protect. Lum Berry is also usable to shield Ludicolo from Thunder Wave, particularly from Thundurus. Life Orb is a nice option to grant Ludicolo even more power, but the recoil can wear Ludicolo down quickly, especially without Protect.

Usage Tips
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A good idea is typically to bring in Ludicolo late-game once the opponent's team is weakened, where it can clean up with its Speed granted by Swift Swim and Water-type attacks. Also, if your opponent is carrying a Thunder Wave user such as Thundurus, play cautiously, as a paralyzed Ludicolo is infinitely less threatening than a healthy one. Fake Out is a great tool to use selectively to apply pressure on your opponent, force them into making certain plays, and create free turns for a partner, so make sure you use the move wisely. If you're not planning on using Ludicolo for a late-game sweep (or if you're sure you can keep it in good enough health to achieve said sweep), it makes for a great early-game pivot with its bulk (augmented by Assault Vest) and access to Fake Out.

Team Options
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Politoed makes for an amazing partner for Ludicolo, as the rain from Drizzle activates Ludicolo's Swift Swim ability and gives Hydro Pump a 50% power boost. Also, Politoed has Helping Hand to boost the power of attacks coming off of Ludicolo's middling base 90 Special Attack stat. Pokemon such as Landorus-T and Garchomp may replace it with "might" if you want to; I think it's better to just say they appreciate the support appreciate having Ludicolo as a partner due to its ability to handle Water-types such as Rotom-W that are problematic for them. Anything that appreciates the free turns bought by Fake Out, such as Substitute Heatran, could make for a good partner to Ludicolo. Pokemon such as Tyranitar and Rotom-W that threaten Talonflame are excellent partners as well, since as Talonflame can get around Ludicolo's Swift Swim with Gale Wings and KO with a priority Brave Bird. Other good partners are Intimidate users such as Landorus-T, Scrafty, and Hitmontop that can patch up Ludicolo's lower Defense stat.

Other Options
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Moves such as Energy Ball or Grass Knot are alternative STAB options for Ludicolo due to their higher power than Giga Drain (although in the case of Grass Knot the power depends on the target). However, the healing from Giga Drain usually makes it a better move to use than Energy Ball, and it has a more reliable damage output than Grass Knot as well. Scald could be a replacement for Hydro Pump due to its 100% accuracy and 30% chance to burn the target, but a significantly lower damage output than Hydro Pump typically makes it the less desirable choice. A set with Sitrus Berry could work as a bulky pivot, but loses out on Ludicolo's ability to be a threatening sweeper. Substitute is an interesting option to shield Ludicolo from priority and status, but Ludicolo must then lose out on Assault Vest as well as a potential attacking move, making it hard to justify on a moveset. A set with Leech Seed and Rain Dish could be used, but it lacks much in the way of offensive presence and will usually be KOed by powerful attackers before it can hope to stall one out. Sunny Day is an option on Ludicolo to counter rain teams, as Ludicolo's typing lets it set up Sunny Day easily while threatening most Pokemon commonly used on rain teams. Finally, Teeter Dance can be used as a way to disrupt opposing Pokemon through confusion. However, the fact that it's luck-based and hits Ludicolo's partner makes it unreliable.

Checks & Counters
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**Opposing Weather**: format the rest like this Abomasnow is an excellent counter since as it has no problem dealing with Politoed to set up hail, stripping Ludicolo of its preferred weather condition. In addition to this, Abomasnow can comfortably sponge all of Ludicolo's attacks, (RC) and respond with a powerful attack of its own. Mega Charizard Y is a good check since as Drought stops Swift Swim from working while simultaneously weakening one of Ludicolo's main STAB moves.

**Offensive Typing Advantage**:
Bulky attackers such as Mega Kangaskhan and Mega Heracross can tank a hit from Ludicolo and deal heavy damage back, making them good checks. Assault Vest users such as Scrafty, Conkeldurr, and Goodra are able to tank powerful hits from Ludicolo and respond with attacks of their own.

**Speed**:
Talonflame is an excellent check to Ludicolo as it has a priority Brave Bird to get around Ludicolo's Swift Swim, (RC) and OHKO it. Choice Scarf Genesect is able to outspeed Ludicolo even under rain and hit it with a powerful Bug-type attack.

**Speed Control**:
Thundurus is a good check as it can hit Ludicolo with a priority Thunder Wave, crippling it for the remainder of the match. Bulky Trick Room setters such as Cresselia can turn Ludicolo's high Speed under rain into a major liability, making them excellent checks to it.
gato

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Ununhexium I'd love to stamp this but I can't really knowing that the original check wasn't 100% implemented when you checked it due to computer issues. It's still a good check from what I see, and as I said the "3 stamp rule" is kind of meaningless if we do see you have good checks.
 
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