Latias (Choice Scarf)

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[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Draco Meteor
move 2: Psyshock
move 3: Healing Wish / Hidden Power Fire
move 4: Trick / Hidden Power Fire
item: Choice Scarf
nature: Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
- Latias has some unique assets making it a viable and hawt Scarf'r. Unlike many others Scarf'rs they cannot boast the ability of having amazing 80/90/130 defenses and a unique typing giving it resistances to Grass, Electric, Water, Fire, and Fighting type moves, all relatively common in the OU Metagame.
-Isn't outclassed by Latios due to better Special bulk, and Healing Wish which is surprisingly useful
- With Latia's amazing speed it can outspeed other common Choice Scarf's such as Salamence and Terrakion and smack them. It also outspeeds common Sun abusers like Modest Venusaur.
- Draco Meteor is the obligatory STAB, 140 BP and lack of resistances is always nice for a choice scarf'r to have.
- Psychic smacks the omnipresent fighting types (hiiii Terrakion) and is a nice secondary STAB, also hits Victreebel and Venusaur.
- Hidden Power Fire allows you to hit Steel types, especially Scizor and Ferrothorn.
- Trick can be used to pass on the Scarf onto the opposing teams, and is especially nice versus Stall and Baton Pass.
- Healing Wish gives you a Max Revive on one of your Pokemon when Latias is low at health, and is a nice asset on any team.

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
- Dragon Pulse can be used instead of Draco Meteor if you are turned off by the -2 SpA given by Draco Meteor.
- Latias is weak to pursuit so good partners to take out Scizor and Tyranitar are wanted. Victini, Magnezone, and Terrakion are good at this.
- Thunderbolt can be used if you want to hit Jellicent, Slowbro, and other bulky waters
- Any bulky special wall can pretty much wall this set, e.g. Blissey, Jirachi, Tyranitar, though they must watch out for Trick. Fighting-type partners wanted.
- I'm too lazy to think of anything else and you need 5 so here's the 5th one!
 
I'd say mention Surf in AC for your 5th and Thunder (both for Rain teams) as they give a significant power boost to Latias' modest SpA. I'd also warn against residual damage and taking repeated attacks because unlike most other Latias, you no longer have Leftovers or Recover / Roost.
 
I don't think the bulk argument is in any way valid here. I'm pretty sure that you could take special defense investment away from Latios and put it into defenses, and achieve absolutely comparable stats overall. The point here is not that Latios should run bulk or something, but that it doesnt. And you would never consider doing it either.

I can see Healing Wish being very handy though, so it should be the primary option somewhere on the set. Healing Wish and surprise value are really the only things Latias has going for it.

edit: it's amazing how you manage to completely miss the point. Latios has the same bulk as Latias, except that you can be more flexible about it (add more defense, more special defense, more special attack). Unless you think you would seriously run a bulky scarf Latios, this set shouldn't go on site unless Healing Wish is the primary option. Interestingly this also applies to specs, but I think that's slightly different because maybe you could use Latios and Specs Latias on the same team effectively.
 
jc104 said:
I don't think the bulk argument is in any way valid here. I'm pretty sure that you could take special defense investment away from Latios and put it into defenses, and achieve absolutely comparable stats overall. The point here is not that Latios should run bulk or something, but that it doesnt. And you would never consider doing it either.

I can see Healing Wish being very handy though, so it should be the primary option somewhere on the set. Healing Wish and surprise value are really the only things Latias has going for it.
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The bulk argument is very well valid because Latios doesn't enjoy switching into repeated Hydro Pumps in rain, or HP Ices as well. I personally run Healing Wish instead of HP Fire but I figured QC wouldn't agree D:
 
Honestly, Latias is too weak to use a Choice Scarf set, Dragon Pulse in particular has no place here. Even Scarfed Latios isn't 'that' strong. Scarfed Pokemon tend to be hit and runners, and Latias's bulk isn't that amazing with no defensive investment, so it's not really switching into anything apart from like Rotom-W. Also, Scarf Latios can break through Tyranitar with Surf if TTar has taken some prior damage, but this thing is doing little to it even with Surf. I'm willing to bet Draco Meteor won't get you far with things like Jellicent either (there is Tbolt but everything sets up on that). The only reason this set has potential is because you're getting off a quick Healing Wish, but that doesn't really justify a spot on your team of 6.

Healing Wish deserves an AC mention, but that's all.
 
seriously you do not understand how underestimated this set is. everyone keeps their dragonites, salamences, etc in just to get killed.
 
Heist said:
problem: dragon dancers

solution: scarf latias
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Or, you can just use Scarf Latios.

Apart from the surprise factor and the occasional use of Healing Wish, this set is totally outclassed by Latios. The only reason the Specs set is on-site is because Latias's bulk allows her to come in repeatedly and fire off powerful attacks. As a revenge killer, you generally don't need bulk, and Latias's bulk is totally wasted here as a revenge killer (so you may as well use Latios).

And why, oh why, do people keep putting Psychic on Lati@s sets? It doesn't do anything! If you really want a Psychic move, use Psyshock, since it can actually hurt the blobs, revenge kill Virizion, bypass Calm Minders etc, and go mixed, if you will. Otherwise, just run a coverage move.
 
shrang said:
Or, you can just use Scarf Latios.

Apart from the surprise factor and the occasional use of Healing Wish, this set is totally outclassed by Latios. The only reason the Specs set is on-site is because Latias's bulk allows her to come in repeatedly and fire off powerful attacks. As a revenge killer, you generally don't need bulk, and Latias's bulk is totally wasted here as a revenge killer (so you may as well use Latios).

And why, oh why, do people keep putting Psychic on Lati@s sets? It doesn't do anything! If you really want a Psychic move, use Psyshock, since it can actually hurt the blobs, revenge kill Virizion, bypass Calm Minders etc, and go mixed, if you will. Otherwise, just run a coverage move.
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What Calm Minder's does Psyshock bypass that is utterly crucial? Psychic has

A. more power
B. Can still beat Virizion

Psyshock is NOT even going to be denting the blobs and that's what trick is there for, so don't even say that.

And Healing Wish is definitely enough to warrants its own set, I'm just going to make it the main slash for the HP Fire slot.

Besides, the surprise factor is amazing, when Aesoft stops sucking i'll upload logs
 
Princess Bri said:
What Calm Minder's does Psyshock bypass that is utterly crucial? Psychic has

A. more power
B. Can still beat Virizion

Psyshock is NOT even going to be denting the blobs and that's what trick is there for, so don't even say that.

And Healing Wish is definitely enough to warrants its own set, I'm just going to make it the main slash for the HP Fire slot.

Besides, the surprise factor is amazing, when Aesoft stops sucking i'll upload logs
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Psyshock vs 0/0 Terrakion in the sand: 78.64% - 93.50%
Psychic vs same Terrakion: 59.44% - 70.59%
Psychic vs 0/0 +0 Terrakion (after a Close Combat): 89.16% - 104.64%
Psyshock vs 0/0 -1 Terrakion (after a Close Combat): 117.65% - 139.32%

One is a guaranteed OHKO after a Sub, or a high chance of OHKOing after SR and one round of LO damage. If we're just counting SR, you're not even guaranteed to OHKO Terrakion after a Close Combat, while Psyshock always OHKOs.

As for Virizion:

Psychic vs +1 0/0 Calm Mind Virizion: 43.34% - 52.01%
+1 Hidden Power Ice vs Latias: 47.68% - 56.29%

With Leftovers, Virizion will always survive getting 2HKOed by Psychic, while HP Ice will 2HKO Latias with SR up. Not exactly "beating Virizion", in my eyes. On the other hand:

Psyshock vs Virizion: 94.74% - 112.07%

What can I say? The bottom line is that Psychic does not kill anything that Draco Meteor and Psyshock does not, and therefore has no use on a Latias set.

And Healing Wish is definitely enough to warrants its own set, I'm just going to make it the main slash for the HP Fire slot.

Besides, the surprise factor is amazing, when Aesoft stops sucking i'll upload logs
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It actually sounds really situational. While yes, a fast Healing Wish is cool, remember you just killed off your primary revenge killer (which I'm under the impression that Latias is supposed to be doing). What is Latias supposed to be doing? If Healing Wish is what you're after, just use the Dual Screens set. If a revenge killer is what you want, then why are you putting Healing Wish on such a set?

Also, surprise factor is never, ever sufficient on its own (plus that tiny niche of Healing Wish, which you could just pull off with Dual Screens) to justify a set. What would happen if this set becomes popular? No-one would be surprised by it any more and therefore it would just be a very mediocre option. Hell, I'm running Pikachu in OU for "surprise factor", and I've done pretty well with it so far, but there'd be no way in hell I'd ever write a Pikachu analysis, as crazy as I am.

In short, this set is just outclassed by Latios. As a revenge killer, you only have two things over Latios, which are Healing Wish and bulk, while are in reality, quite irrelevant to how a revenge killer works. The other perk you could argue is that you can double up an offensive Latios with Scarf Latias without having to run Scarf on Latios, I guess, but is that really worth a set? An OO mention would suffice, IMO.
 
Guys you're all missing something- Latias has a base attack 10 points lower- it has higher overall useful stats. It is technically not outclassed and it's even possible to get past Tyranitar with Surf if it has taken prior damage, just like Latios. Let's not pretend Scarf Latios isn't a failure against Tar. Both Latias and Latios are fine for revenge killing and neither >>>>>>> the other.
 
Scarf latias has 2 big advantages vs scarf latios: nobody expects a scarf set, and it can use healing wish
 
<3 the pic to begin with.

I don't see this set seeing much use. Scarfers are usually used to clean up and weaken things given the chance NOT to necessarily take hits. Though it's bulk is quite nice, this set more then the rest are still munch for T-Tar and Scizor if locked inappropriately. Healing wish seems for of a situational move. In my opinion gimmicky when Latias has great natural bulk to exploit in its other sets.
 
I have been testing this set a lot, and I found that although the surprise factor is nice, this set relies entirely on surprise factor. Surprise Factor doesn't really work with analysis because once it goes on site it loses a lot of the surprise. I have also found that once u reveal you are scarf and do get that surprise kill, you are really easy trap bait.

Just my thoughts on this otherwise interesting set.
 
Hating to hate, but if Scarf Latios is a bit weak sometimes, and becomes Tyranitar's and Scizor's bitch, then Scarf Latias will be even worse. Also no matter how much i try, i cannot understand why you need the extra bulk in a revenge killer, when it isn't supposed to take hits anyway...

So the only things this set has, are surprise factor and Healing Wish. I think this is exactly what the OO is for...
 
Not only was the bulk irrelevant in the first dozen of battles I played, but Latias' attacking power was sort of underwhelming, considering its coverage and the disappointing possibility of falling short of big hits against threats that desperately need a quick KOes (I was in a particularly foul situation and mood against Gyarados). The previous posters are pretty much on the spot; unless there's a fully intricate backup plan behind it, it becomes extremely easy to take advantage of Latias once it performs a move, much like Latios except noticeably weaker (and with possibly less coverage thanks to Healing Wish, which I found little time and little use for).

Try again, or tell me if I'm doing anything wrong.

QC Rejected 1/3
 
QC Rejected 2/3

I am with AccidentalGreed here. The lack of power was really noticeable which makes me sad cos I like Latias :(
 
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