Kingdra Discussion

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Base Stats:
HP- 75 Att.- 95 Def.- 95 Sp.Att.- 95 Sp.Def.- 95 Spd.- 85

Abilities:
Swift Swim: Raises speed in rain.
Snipe: Raises power of critical hits.

Notable Physical Movepool(STAB in bold):
Flail
Return
Waterfall

Notable Special Movepool:
Surf
Dragon Pulse
Draco Meteor
Ice Beam
Flash Cannon
Signal Beam

Notable Support Movepool:
Dragon Dance
Agility
Rain Dance
Focus Energy
Yawn

Kingdra has always been amazingly mediocre, but in DP it gets some new tricks that might help it.

Kingdra @ Choice Specs
Snipe
Modest
EVs: 252 Sp. Att., 252 Speed, 6 HP
- Draco Meteor
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power/Dragon Pulse/Signal Beam/Flash Cannon

Kind of an inferior Jumpmence, but still useable: Draco Meteor hits almost as hard, and Kingdra has fewer weaknesses and less of a Stealth Rock problem. For the 4th move, I would use a HP that hits Steels for super effective damage, because Draco Meteor is better on almost everything else.

Discuss the bad forgotten dragon.
 
The main problem with Kingdra is that it doesn't have Dragon Claw. If it did, it could be a reasonably threatening Dragon Dancer.
 
Draco Meteor was something Kingdra needed for a long time...

Makes him great for Choice Specs like you said. He's still gonna be BL or even UU because CS Salamence is such a better choice. Palkia also took his place in uber Kyogre teams.
 
da gold sun said:
Draco Meteor was something Kingdra needed for a long time...

Makes him great for Choice Specs like you said. He's still gonna be BL or even UU because CS Salamence is such a better choice. Palkia also took his place in uber Kyogre teams.
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I didnt know when Palkia got Swift Swim. As with all Kingdras blissey would switch in on it. So a CS set wouldnt be too helpful. Maybe a physical move?
 
He's a cool Pokemon with Draco Meteor now IMO. With the revelation about Sandstorm there's more use for a Rain Dance set as well. Dragon Dance is still a novelty but with Waterfall it's less of a novelty.

Kingdra @ Leftovers / Lum / Life Orb
~Swift Swim
- Rain Dance
- Surf
- Ice Bream
- Draco Meteor / Toxic

Everyone knows this set basically. DMeteor or Toxic for opposing Water types, everything else is pretty simple. Walled to hell by Blissey but only a handful of Special Sweepers aren't. Even with Waterfall it can't really do all that much to Blissey =/
 
When you're cursed with 95 in 4 stats, might as well use it.

w/ Leftovers
Toxic
Octazooka
Ice Beam
Yawn/Protect

75/95/95 with only 1 weakness isn't too shabby. Protect/Yawn to buy time for Leftovers recovery, otherwise hax with Octazooka's 50% chance to drop accuracy and force more switches.
 
I have a Dragon Dance Kingdra on my Emerald version, and I am sooo going to add Draco Meteor to her.

Dragon Dance
Waterfall
Return
Draco Meteor

Yay me!~
 
Kingdra is extremely underated in ADV. This is what I would use; no explaination needed.

Kingdra (M) @ Petaya Berry/Lum/Focus/etc; recovery not important
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 116 HP / 140 Atk / 252 SAtk
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Hydro Pump
- Rain Dance
- Draco Meteor
- Waterfall
320 HP; 317 SATK; a very powerful UU/BL sweeper. Waterfall for obious measures......
 
how ironic, i'm ev training my horsea for my D/P team right now. i'm going with a choice specks set on mine.

Kingdra @choice specks
swift swim
surf
ice beam
draco meteor
flash cannon

this kingdra is on a rain dance team, that's why i have swift swim on it. the only reason flash cannon is on there is because of protection against ice types (even though ice moves aren't super effective on it)
btw could someone suggest EVs for this kingdra. max sp. atk, but what else?
 
Payton64 said:
how ironic, i'm ev training my horsea for my D/P team right now. i'm going with a choice specks set on mine.

Kingdra @choice specks
swift swim
surf
ice beam
draco meteor
flash cannon

this kingdra is on a rain dance team, that's why i have swift swim on it. the only reason flash cannon is on there is because of protection against ice types (even though ice moves aren't super effective on it)
btw could someone suggest EVs for this kingdra. max sp. atk, but what else?
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Surf does slighty less than Flash Cannon (142.5 vs 160) on ice. In rain; it does way more. Consider Brine/Toxic/Dragon Breath
 
i honestly love kingdra and dread him at the same time. obviously i love him for his one weakness, and dread him for his low move pool, but it's not like it is impossible for him not to be used.

kingdra- swift swim

adamant nature

waterfall
rain dance
dragon dance
rest

lum berry.

252 att/252 hp/6 speed.

not really the greatest, but nothing is immune to waterfall, so u will always be able to put up a fight.
 
Kingdra got some nice boosts in d/p. Waterfall and Dragon Pulse are the better options imo.

I think i will use it this way

Kingdra @ Wet Rock/Leftovers
-Rain Dance
-Waterfall
-Double-Edge/Return
-Hydro Pump


easy setup and nice damage with waterfall, besides the flinchaxing chances
 
rbygsc kid 251 said:
i honestly love kingdra and dread him at the same time. obviously i love him for his one weakness, and dread him for his low move pool, but it's not like it is impossible for him not to be used.

kingdra- swift swim

adamant nature

waterfall
rain dance
dragon dance
rest

lum berry.

252 att/252 hp/6 speed.

not really the greatest, but nothing is immune to waterfall, so u will always be able to put up a fight.
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Vaporeon, Lapras (With Water Absorb OBVIOUSLY), and Dry Skin Toxicroak and Parasect are inmune to Water, and Vaporeon isn't rare because of being a great Wishpasser.

And with Kingdra's Base 95 Atk.... you can't make wonders...
 
Kingdra @wet Rock (252 attack , 252 sp attack , Mild or Rash)
rain Dance
Waterfall
Hydro Pump
Draco Meteor

Rain Dance Water Fall 3hkos Blissey , 2hkos if the pink bitch switches on stealth rock. Even so , I don't think that it can really hurt a lot ....
You could use Life Orb , but kingdra is quite fragile with this set , so it would be quite risky.
 
Kingdra rarely is called fragile due to its reasonable defences paired up with its defensive good ability. Just don't switch it in on dragons and you should be fine to go.
Anyway, I think you shouldn't even TRY taking down Blissey with it. Just give it something like Ice Beam so that you can kill other dragons without having to switch out afterwards, also helps tremendously against Grassers who wouldn't feel too much of Surf. Draco Meteor should just be used as last resort for Kingdra.
 
surprising, but the best set in this topic is from kristy haruka IMO, though I´d go with DE over return for the extra damage, it could help turn 3hkos into 2hkos on some waters after 1 DD

EDIT: lou cypher, try 1 DD waterfall against blissey, it won´t like to face around 50% dmg with a possible flinch chance
 
Dragon Dance looks like the best set for Kingdra, but I just thought of this new Choice Specs set.

Kingdra @ Choice Specs
Modest
EVs: 252 Sp.Att., 252 Speed, 6 HP
- Draco Meteor
- Hydro Pump
- HP Ground/Fight
- Yawn

Yes, this set still gets walled by any special wall, but if you predict them switching to their special wall, use Yawn. Afterwards, send in a good special sweeper (Azelf might work), set up and try to sweep their team. If Blissey didn't have Natural Cure, this would make it easy to sweep whole teams with special attacks. Kingdra's a decent attacker too; only Empoleon resists Dragon and Water, so it can put a good dent in most things.
 
I came up with this set a while back and it's still the best I can think of:

Kingdra@Leftovers/Wet Rock/Mysticwater
Adamant, 252 ATK, 252 SAT
Rain Dance
Surf
Waterfall
Ice Beam/Dragon Pulse

With Rain Dance, Waterfall is a 2hko on Blissey (needs Spikes/SR support if no Mysticwater). Surf brings down physical walls like Weezing. The last move is for water resists - Dragon Pulse is better against waters, but Ice Beam takes down Grass types and Dragons. Perhaps Surf could be dropped to have both Dragon Pulse and Ice Beam... but then you have troubles with Skarmory, so it's really up to you.
 
Lou Cypher said:
Kingdra rarely is called fragile due to its reasonable defences paired up with its defensive good ability. Just don't switch it in on dragons and you should be fine to go.
Anyway, I think you shouldn't even TRY taking down Blissey with it. Just give it something like Ice Beam so that you can kill other dragons without having to switch out afterwards, also helps tremendously against Grassers who wouldn't feel too much of Surf. Draco Meteor should just be used as last resort for Kingdra.
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Kingdra was a resilient (sp?) poke in GSC/ADV , but a kingdra with no evs in HP or defenses and a -nature (mild or rash) won't survive well against moves he doesn't resist in this violent metagame.

Kingdra resists water , fire and steel. Generally , water moves are used by pokes with stab on it. Kingdra can't really hurt those pokemon , so being able to switch in agaisnt those pokemon is quite useless.

The only fire types that I think you will ever see on OU D/P is Infernape, heatran and maybe houndoom. If you consider that most of them will hold a CB/CS/CG , then switching on a fire move from those will probably make them switch out , giving you a opportunity to set up. If you switch in on a Close Combat, Dark Pulse or Dragon Pulse , it's gg Kingdra. Switching on fire moves that aren't stabbed can be even trickier , because the only pokes that uses fire types and doesn't recieve STAB are Azelf and some Garchomps IIRC . Kingdra won't survive against them , since he is slower without a rain dance.

Finally , the only poke that seriously uses a steel attack is metagross and a CB gross 2HKOS 0 Hp 0 def kingdra.

Killing blissey is useful because of the surprise factor. If you kill blissey first , then you could use other movesets , but if blissey is dead there is much better special sweepers to use.

BTW Misty your set is basicly the same as mine ;P I think ice beam is the better option, since dragon pulse won't hurt milotic , emperuto and vaporeon enough and Rain Dance Surf does more to swampert. The biggest problem with our set is manaphy , that can take anything kingdra has to offer and can use rain dance VERY well.
 
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Blissey would die from a Sniper CH Draco Meteor.

But it's too reliant on luck, and as far as I can tell, Kingdra doesn't have any high CH ratio moves.
 
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