Jolteon and SeaMonster

Khgamer

Hi guys I'm new to Smogon so what better way to introduce myself other than showing a team in development?

Before you post: Please, please do not consider me taking out Jolteon and Gyarados. This Team is suppose to be based around them.


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Jolteon - Timid @ Leftovers

4 HP / 252 Spe / 252 Sp.atk

Charge Beam
substitute
Baton Pass
Hidden Power Ice

In my opinion, this set is the best set he has due to the fact that there really isnt a counter. Since he can Baton pass anytime in a sign of danger. Bieng the second fastest Baton Passer in OU with all that Power is no joke. The sub he gives them a better chance to set up and sweep. Charge Beam is for if he recieves a special boost he can sweep or he can just baton pass the sub and the special attack boost to Gengar as son as my opponent switches to a pokemon knowing EQ. Really the options for this set is wow.



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Gyarados - Adamant @ Leftovers
156 HP / 72 Atk / 96 Def / 184 Spe
Dragon Dance
Taunt
WaterFall
Stone Edge

I love this guy because he has many jobs and can switch in for almost anyone on my team if they are in danger. He lures in electric attacks which can easily be absorbed by Jolteon giving him an easier entrance in the field. and theres a good chance that the person will switch giving me a free turn to sub(Cant tell you how many TB Gengar's thought My Jolteon knew Shadow Ball. and Zapdos? lol they thought he knew HP ICE and they were right. Jolteon causes switches) and if a counter comes in pass it to someone immune to ground to build up DD or just plain sweep. With Taunt he can stop annoying Stallers and cause them to switch giving him another free turn with DD. And Water /Rock coverage is the best Coverage in OU. Only pokemon immune by both are Empoleon and Breloom.

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MY LEAD

Swampert - Adamant @ Leftovers
252 HP / 252 DEF / 4 atk
Avalanche
Earthquake
Stealthrock
Protect


You know what this guy is for. one of the best leads in the game, and all these Aerodactyl,Azelf,Weavile, get worked by him. Everyone expects for a Swampert to just come straight out and use SR. So they usually taunt first. so what do i do? I hit them hard Aerodactyl and Azelf with Avalanche, and Weavile with EQ. And of Course, Azelf(with FS) will try to kill me with explosion. So I protect. Now with that Done he has many other good things about him too. He helps Jolteon also with even more bulkyness then Gyarados. Swampert is more of an option if either one are gone.


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Salamence - Naive @ Life Orb
232 Atk / 24 SpA / 252 Spe

Dragon Dance
EarthQuake
FireBlast (Im thinking about switching for fireFang due to the fact that after one DD its better in every way)
OutRage

This guy right here is the easiest to baton pass too. It promises him atleast TWO DDs(because most switch when they see him). with just +1 DD and Life orb, he can 2hko almost the entire metagame. lol I got a Cresselia switch into the Orange without SR support at the beggining of the game. he his amazing with Jolt. Simple Set


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Scizor - Adamant Nature @ Choice Band
248 Hp / 252 atk / 8 Spe

Bullet Punch
SuperPower
Pursuit
U-Turn

My scouter/revenge Killer. he's amazing really at the end when everyone is weak and he can sweep the team easier than anyone else on my team. he causes switches mad hard to. allowing me to see the rest of the team. Pursuit is the name of the game here. As you read two sentences ago, he causes switches. superPower is for if I read someone switching to Heatran(More often than you think). you know what U-Turn is for. and Bullet punch is for a in late game for finishing off pokemon in late game.


gengar


Scarry Isn't he?

Gengar - Timid @ Life Orb
4 DEF / 252 special Attack / 252 Spe
Pain Split
Substitute
Focus Blast
ShadowBall

OMG this guy is just wow. The combination of Substitute and Pain Split allows Gengar to take out Pokémon it normally would not be able to, most importantly: Blissey. After Substitute and two Pain Splits (or one if sandstorm is in effect), Blissey's health will low enough so that Focus Blast is a 2HKO. This means that Blissey will be forced to constantly heal herself or risk being KOed. Pain Split has 32 PP, while Wish and Softboiled have 16, meaning that Gengar can easily stall Blissey out. Most Blissey's are unable to break Gengar's Substitutes, meaning it can usually come out of the duel unscathed.

If you have any opinions to what I should change : Tell me.

2 Resistant to SR
4 Resistant to Toxic spikes and Spikes
 
I'm reserving a full rate, but to let you know I support you in using Fire Fang over Fire Blast. This team covers Skarmory pretty well, and since you're running Fire Fang you can afford to use a Jolly nature which doesn't cut defenses on the special side. But I'd also like to know what's your lead, so...
 
Overall a pretty nice teambut a few things that i dont like. Two DDs? isnt hat a bit Over the top? I'd probly get rd of scizor for another steel as ur sweeping and revenge killing dozent need him. Also jolteon dozent have a select person to pass to. Salamence get fire fang! lol
If u wanna do a change i'd change subsplit Gengar to a all out attacker. I think the two DDs should be fine if you change scizor to a different poke.
Nice team Though! After all no teams are rlly perfect
 
ah see what you mean about Scizor. I'll wait and see what other people think and change everything under consideration
 
I would definitely suggest TBolt over Charge Beam for Jolteon, as Jolteon isn't going to sweep with Charge Beam and Hidden Power Ice. Although the special attack boost might be nice for Gengar, it really won't help in its wallbreaking abilities, and a Thunderbolt from Jolteon is crazy powerful. Also, when you describe the members of your team, don't copy directly from the analysis of the moveset, describe how the pokemon provides useful resistances and helps your team specifically. I don't see what Fire Fang provides in terms of coverage for Mence; the only thing it'll hit harder than Fire Blast after 2 DDs is Jirachi and Celebi, both of which are 2HKOed by Fire Blast anyway. I would also support taking out Scizor and putting in something like a Machamp or Choice Scarfed Jirachi to take care of hard hitting with its Substitute + 3 attacks set, or revenge killing with flinching.
 
First, you don't really have good recovery users barring Gengar, but he's too frail to buy you time. Rotom-A will give you some time to collect/find opportunities.
With Jolteon Baton Passing, it's really pointless to keep all the physical attackers, and passing to Gengar is nice and all that, but Gengar can be easily revenge killed by Scarfers. You should have more mixed/special attackers for that.
As said above, Gengar should be all out, with T-Bolt: you could probably still keep substitute.

One advice, GyaraJolt is often seen through, and many people will just Stone Edge, which will severly cripple Jolteon. I've tried a similar set before, and changed Gyarados.

You should change Salamence to Scarfted MixMence with Draco Meteor/Fire Blast/Earthquake/Stone Edge; often times, outrage will just get your Salamence killed by Ice Beam/HP Ice by steel pokemon.

Having 4 pokemon with 4x weaknesses is a trouble for your team. Ice, Electric, Fire are all common (even if you bar electric with Jolteon switch), and grass isn't all too uncommon with many Grass Knots running around.

You have nice offense, but it's too Physical-based. A good physical wall will simply stop you, like Skarmory, if Jolteon is dead.

If your team is Set-up offense, many Choiced attackers will take advantage of the set-up turn, get a free switch, and act accordingly with SE moves or prediction. With Jolteon/Gyarados covering each other's weaknesses, you'll switch a lot, meaning Dragon Dance on Gyarados will often be futile while just taking Stealth Rock damage. Go for a Choice Band/Scarf with 4 attack moves on Gyarados. Also, Baton passing all the SpA boost to Gyarados won't help; do it to Gengar more often with Levitate.

It's hard to make a good team, so just keep trying until you can. I can almost confidently say every team has been defeated by another team.
 
I feel like Gyarados will be switching from Electric attacks very often. Due to synergy with Jolteon this isn't a huge problem, but he will rack up Stealth Rock damage pretty fast. He can't really stay in on a lot of common Gyara switch-ins as he's not fast enough, so a lot of the time you'll just be bringing him in, DDing, and switching to Jolt. This will wear him down fast and besides scouting it doesn't accomplish a lot. Once your opponent knows you have Jolteon it also becomes fairly predictable.

I'd agree that it's a very physical team... I think Starmie could help you with spinning and firing off special attacks. MixMence over DDMence can break walls, but BulkyGyara doesn't worry about Skarmory at all, at least, so Fire Fang is definitely worth it over Fire Blast, or maybe another move entirely.
 
soonerorlater said:
First, you don't really have good recovery users barring Gengar, but he's too frail to buy you time. Rotom-A will give you some time to collect/find opportunities.
With Jolteon Baton Passing, it's really pointless to keep all the physical attackers, and passing to Gengar is nice and all that, but Gengar can be easily revenge killed by Scarfers. You should have more mixed/special attackers for that.
As said above, Gengar should be all out, with T-Bolt: you could probably still keep substitute.

One advice, GyaraJolt is often seen through, and many people will just Stone Edge, which will severly cripple Jolteon. I've tried a similar set before, and changed Gyarados.

You should change Salamence to Scarfted MixMence with Draco Meteor/Fire Blast/Earthquake/Stone Edge; often times, outrage will just get your Salamence killed by Ice Beam/HP Ice by steel pokemon.

Having 4 pokemon with 4x weaknesses is a trouble for your team. Ice, Electric, Fire are all common (even if you bar electric with Jolteon switch), and grass isn't all too uncommon with many Grass Knots running around.

You have nice offense, but it's too Physical-based. A good physical wall will simply stop you, like Skarmory, if Jolteon is dead.

If your team is Set-up offense, many Choiced attackers will take advantage of the set-up turn, get a free switch, and act accordingly with SE moves or prediction. With Jolteon/Gyarados covering each other's weaknesses, you'll switch a lot, meaning Dragon Dance on Gyarados will often be futile while just taking Stealth Rock damage. Go for a Choice Band/Scarf with 4 attack moves on Gyarados. Also, Baton passing all the SpA boost to Gyarados won't help; do it to Gengar more often with Levitate.

It's hard to make a good team, so just keep trying until you can. I can almost confidently say every team has been defeated by another team.
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Yes I'm considering what u said and I am Going to take out Gyarados and Scizor and add Starmie +?. 4 with 4x damage might be too much. but also they cover each others pretty easily. Swampert switch with scizor for grass etc.

cosmicexplorer said:
I would definitely suggest TBolt over Charge Beam for Jolteon, as Jolteon isn't going to sweep with Charge Beam and Hidden Power Ice. Although the special attack boost might be nice for Gengar, it really won't help in its wallbreaking abilities, and a Thunderbolt from Jolteon is crazy powerful. Also, when you describe the members of your team, don't copy directly from the analysis of the moveset, describe how the pokemon provides useful resistances and helps your team specifically. I don't see what Fire Fang provides in terms of coverage for Mence; the only thing it'll hit harder than Fire Blast after 2 DDs is Jirachi and Celebi, both of which are 2HKOed by Fire Blast anyway. I would also support taking out Scizor and putting in something like a Machamp or Choice Scarfed Jirachi to take care of hard hitting with its Substitute + 3 attacks set, or revenge killing with flinching.
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I understand about Jolteon, Ill change it asap. Why would I use Fire blast on Jirachi when I have EQ anyway :p. More powerful and perfect acc. And I like the idea of Machamp and Jirachi but could you go further depth? didnt exactly understand last sentence. thanks

greg3064 said:
I feel like Gyarados will be switching from Electric attacks very often. Due to synergy with Jolteon this isn't a huge problem, but he will rack up Stealth Rock damage pretty fast. He can't really stay in on a lot of common Gyara switch-ins as he's not fast enough, so a lot of the time you'll just be bringing him in, DDing, and switching to Jolt. This will wear him down fast and besides scouting it doesn't accomplish a lot. Once your opponent knows you have Jolteon it also becomes fairly predictable.

I'd agree that it's a very physical team... I think Starmie could help you with spinning and firing off special attacks. MixMence over DDMence can break walls, but BulkyGyara doesn't worry about Skarmory at all, at least, so Fire Fang is definitely worth it over Fire Blast, or maybe another move entirely.
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thats what I was thinking I have to switch either Gengar or Mence for Starmie. I'm voting gengar

also so Taking Mence of team for Starmie should be considered right?

What do you guys think of Magnezone over Scizor?
 
I don't think Gengar is pulling its weight here. With two Dragon Dancers on this team, Rapid Spin support would be greatly appreciated to keep stuff off the field, as Swampert isn't that great of a lead and is mostly devoted to setting up rocks and ignoring hits. You don't need to kill Blissey that much when Gyarados has Taunt to set up on her all day. If you put a Lum Berry on Salamence, then he can take a status and still proceed to kill her later with Outrage after a DD. Forretress is who comes to mind when I think of a good spinner; however, Starmie could also work as well. Starmie gets walled by Blissey, but Forretress outside of predicting a switch can't do much to ghosts besides Payback either. So it's a choice of who you wish to get walled by. Each has their merits as a spinner; Forretress has absurd bulk while Starmie is a fast offensive threat. Either way, rapid spin support is greatly appreciated by your Dragon Dancers.
 
Like others have said, this team really needs Rapid Spin support. Your two set-up sweepers are both weak to SR, you will often be switching Jolteon and Scizor in to take certain attacks/revenge kill, so with all of that, you will have some trouble against stall teams that like to stack multiple entry hazards. Gengar seems like the one that should be replaced for spin support, since the one reason you seemed to chose it was to take out Blissey, who fears most of your team. I would replace it with Starmie, who can hit any physical walls your team might have trouble with.

I would also change Gyarados to Jolly with 168EVs in Speed so it can outspeed Timid Jolteon after a DD. Jolteon should change Charge Beam for Thunderbolt since there are no members of your team that would make good use the boosts, should you Baton Pass them.
 
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