Gen 1 Horsea (Mini) (GP 1/1)

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[OVERVIEW]

Horsea holds a micro-niche in PU as a second, weaker Seaking, acting as an Agility sweeper that threatens many top Pokemon, such as Fearow, Arcanine, and Nidoqueen, with a 2HKO from either Surf or Blizzard. Horsea also has access to Smokescreen, which makes it much harder for Seaking to reliably set up Agility in front of Horsea and sweep. However, Horsea much frailer and weaker than Seaking, notably being 2HKOed by Slash from Scyther and Pinsir and Thunderbolt from every relevant user. It is also always KOed by Fearow's Double-Edge into Hyper Beam, and it is 3HKOed by Seaking's Double-Edge and Drowzee's Psychic. This frailty makes it much harder for Horsea to set up Agility compared to Seaking, which has enough bulk to reliably set up and sweep. Horsea's Speed is also poor before it sets up, only outspeeding the likes of Drowzee, Vileplume, and Porygon. Being entirely worse than Seaking means it must not be used as a replacement to Seaking, but as a partner to it. The combination of Horsea and Seaking stacks weaknesses to Staryu and Gastly; Staryu is especially problematic as even Double-Edge Seaking struggles to beat healthy Staryu without a critical hit and Horsea is completely useless into Staryu unless it manages to freeze it. Horsea's flaws massively outweigh its short list of benefits, and as a result Horsea should not be used in nearly any serious game.

[SET]
name: Agility Sweeper
move 1: Surf
move 2: Blizzard
move 3: Agility
move 4: Smokescreen

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=========

Surf is Horsea's strongest move, 2HKOing Nidoqueen and Fire-types and doing decent damage to neutral targets. Surf gets many Pokemon, such as Nidoqueen, into KO range of a strong revenge killer, such as Fearow or Scyther. Blizzard 2HKOes Fearow, Dragonair, and Scyther and 3HKOes Vileplume. It can also let Horsea get a lucky freeze on the likes of Staryu or Seaking if desperate. Agility lets Horsea outspeed everything and win many matchups it would otherwise lose, such as against Fearow, Nidoqueen, and Scyther, though it's hard to find setup opportunities. Smokescreen lets Horsea prevent Seaking from using Horsea as setup fodder. Smokescreen can also be used when desperate, as it can let Horsea win poor matchups with enough luck or force a switch. Hydro Pump can be used in place of Surf, as it is much more powerful, notably 3HKOing Drowzee, Porygon, and Machamp.

Horsea cannot be used as a replacement to Seaking; it has to be used alongside it, as Seaking entirely outclasses it. Horsea needs support to be able to deal with Staryu, so Pokemon such as Vileplume and Drowzee make good partners, as they can switch in and incapacitate Staryu with status moves. Seaking should be used early- to mid-game to break and chip down foes for Horsea to KO in the late game. Seaking fainting will likely cause the opponent to value their Staryu less, which will make them more likely to let it take paralysis or faint, making it easier for Horsea to clean. Staryu also makes a good partner to Horsea, as it can remove Seaking, which would otherwise threaten to set up and sweep in front of Horsea. Pokemon with high Special also give Horsea trouble, such as Gastly and Drowzee, so Pokemon that can handle them, such as Drowzee and Arcanine, make good partners for Horsea.

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[OVERVIEW]

Horsea holds a micro-niche in PU as a second Seaking, being an Agility "sweeper" that threatens many top threats pokemon such as Fearow, Arcanine, and Nidoqueen with a 2HKO from either Surf or Blizzard. Horsea also has access to Smokescreen, which makes it much harder for Seaking to reliably set up an Agility infront of Horsea and sweep. Smokescreen also has the benefit of making the opponents day marginally worse.

However Horsea is entirely outclassed by Seaking, being much frailer and weaker, notably being 2HKOed by Scyther's Slash and Nidoqueen, Gastly, and Staryu, and Porygon's Thunderbolt from Nidoqueen, Gastly, Staryu, Dragonair, and Porygon. It is also always being KOed by Fearow's Double-Edge into Hyper Beam, and it is being 3HKOed by Seaking's Double-Edge and Drowzee's Psychic. Mention how Horsea's frailty makes it hard to set up Agility, which is different from Seaking since Seaking is so bulky that it can easily sets up agility against stuff like Fearow. Being entirely worse than Seaking means it must not be used as a replacement to Seaking, but as a partner to it. This results in the teams it attempts to fit on having a multitude of issues, being extremely weak to Staryu, and having bad matchups into Gastly and Fearow. I would reword this sentence to "The combination of Horsea and Seaking stacks weaknesses to Staryu and Gastly. I would also elaborate on how awful the Staryu matchup is. Seaking can kinda break through sometimes with Dedge/Beam but Horsea has zero way to break through. To summarise, Horseas flaws massivly outweigh its short list of benefits, and as a result Horsea should not be used in nearly any serious game. Somewhere here u should mention that Horsea's speed is terrible before using Agility. Also, Pory/Nair are often better picks for a second agility mon

[SET]
name: Horsea of the High-Seas
move 1: Surf
move 2: Blizzard
move 3: Agility
move 4: Smokescreen

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=========

Surf is Horsea's best STAB strongest move, 2HKOing Nidoqueen, Fire-types, and doing decent damage to other foes that dont resist it. Surf gets many Pokemon into KO range of a strong revenge killer such as Fearow or Scyther. A quick example would be nice. Blizzard 2HKOes Fearow, Dragonair, and Scyther and 3HKOes Vileplume. Its small chance to freeze can also let Horsea get a lucky freeze on the likes of Staryu or Seaking if desperate. Smokescreen lets Horsea prevent setup sweepers such as Seaking from using Horsea as setup fodder. Smokescreen can also be used when desperate as it can let Horsea make its way through matchups it may otherwise lose with some luck. Agility wasn't mentioned here, although its purpose is obvious it's the move that gives horsea its niche, so just a quick sentence like "agility lets u outspeed everything" would be ideal.

Horsea can not be used as a replacement to Seaking, it has to be used alongside it as otherwise Seaking almost entirely outclasses it as an individual Pokemon. Horsea needs support to be able to deal with Staryu, which makes Pokemon such as Vileplume and Drowzee good partners as they can switch in and incapacitate Staryu with status. Horsea should be used in the early to midgame to clear a path for Seaking to sweep later on. Horsea also lures out Staryu early on, which can let Vileplume and Drowzee deal with it earlier and clear the way for Seaking. I feel like the opposite is more likely to happen tho right? If a horsea is revealed, the opponent knows there's a seaking in the back so Staryu/other seaking checks will be played more conservatively. If plume or dz comes in its very likely Staryu will switch out. Contrast this to if seaking is revealed, they don't know u have a horsea in the back, so Seaking can more easily break through their shared checks since the opponent is more inclined to trade them with seaking. Think about how double electric works in OU. Once zap goes down, the opp will be more careless with Rhydon, which makes it easier for Jolt. Same idea here.

Hydro Pump can be used in place of Surf as it is much more powerful than Surf, even outdamaging Seaking's Surf, notably 3HKOing Drowzee, Porygon, and Machamp, while Surf can only 4HKO them. I would move this to the end of the first paragraph

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Great job, all this stuff is minor. QC 2/2 when implemented

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[OVERVIEW]
Horsea holds a micro-niche in PU as a second Seaking, being an Agility sweeper that threatens many top Pokemon such as Fearow, Arcanine, and Nidoqueen with a 2HKO from either Surf or Blizzard. Horsea also has access to Smokescreen, which makes it much harder for Seaking to reliably set up an Agility infront in front of Horsea and sweep.

However, (Add Comma) Horsea is entirely outclassed by Seaking, being much frailer and weaker, notably being 2HKOed by Scyther's Slash and Thunderbolt from Nidoqueen, Gastly, Staryu, Dragonair, and Porygon. It is also always KOed by Fearow's Double-Edge into Hyper Beam, and it is 3HKOed by Seaking's Double-Edge and Drowzee's Psychic. This frailty makes it much harder for Horsea to set up an Agility compared to Seaking, who which has enough bulk to reliably set up an Agility and sweep. Horsea's speed is also on the lower end very bad Better to emphasize how bad its Speed is before it sets up an Agility, only being outspeeding the likes of Drowzee, Vileplume, and unboosted Porygon without an Agility boost. Being entirely worse than Seaking means it must not be used as a replacement to Seaking, but as a partner to it. The combination of Horsea and Seaking stacks weaknesses to Staryu and Gastly. Staryu is especially problematic for Horsea and Seaking, with even Double-Edge Seaking struggling to beat healthy Staryu without a crit, and Horsea being completely useless into Staryu unless it manages to freeze it. Horsea's flaws massivly massively outweigh its short list of benefits, and as a result Horsea should not be used in nearly any serious game.

[SET]
name: Horsea of the High-Seas
move 1: Surf
move 2: Blizzard
move 3: Agility
move 4: Smokescreen

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=========

Surf is Horsea's strongest move, 2HKOing Nidoqueen, Fire-types, and doing decent damage to other foes that dont don't resist it. Surf gets many Pokemon into KO range of a strong revenge killer such as Fearow or Scyther, such as Nidoqueen. Blizzard 2HKOes Fearow, Dragonair, and Scyther and 3HKOes Vileplume. Its small chance to freeze can also let Horsea get a lucky freeze on the likes of Staryu or Seaking if desperate. Agility lets Horea outspeed everything and win many matchups it would otherwise lose, such as Fearow, Nidoqueen, and Scyther, although due to Horsea's frailty, it finds it hard to find set up opportunities. Smokescreen lets Horsea prevent setup sweepers such as Seaking from using Horsea as setup fodder. Smokescreen can also be used when desperate as it can let Horsea make its way through matchups it may otherwise lose with some luck. Hydro Pump can be used in place of Surf as it is much more powerful than Surf, even outdamaging Seaking's Surf, notably 3HKOing Drowzee, Porygon, and Machamp, while Surf can only 4HKO them.

Horsea can not be used as a replacement to Seaking, it has to be used alongside it as otherwise Seaking entirely outclasses it as an individual Pokemon. Horsea needs support to be able to deal with Staryu, which makes Pokemon such as Vileplume and Drowzee good partners as they can switch in and incapacitate Staryu with status. Seaking should be used in the early- to mid-game to break and chip down foes for Horsea to KO in the late game. Seaking going down will also cause the opponent to value their Staryu less, which will make them more likely to let it be KOed or neutralised neutralized with status, making it easier for Horsea to remove later on. Mention teammates that can remove Seaking, as it also walls the crap out of Horsea. Pokemon with high Special like Gastly and Drowzee also give it a ton of issues, to mention support against them.

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Gangsta Spongebob said:
Great job, all this stuff is minor. QC 2/2 when implemented

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[OVERVIEW]
Horsea holds a micro-niche in PU as a second Seaking, being an Agility sweeper that threatens many top Pokemon such as Fearow, Arcanine, and Nidoqueen with a 2HKO from either Surf or Blizzard. Horsea also has access to Smokescreen, which makes it much harder for Seaking to reliably set up an Agility infront in front of Horsea and sweep.

However, (Add Comma) Horsea is entirely outclassed by Seaking, being much frailer and weaker, notably being 2HKOed by Scyther's Slash and Thunderbolt from Nidoqueen, Gastly, Staryu, Dragonair, and Porygon. It is also always KOed by Fearow's Double-Edge into Hyper Beam, and it is 3HKOed by Seaking's Double-Edge and Drowzee's Psychic. This frailty makes it much harder for Horsea to set up an Agility compared to Seaking, who which has enough bulk to reliably set up an Agility and sweep. Horsea's speed is also on the lower end very bad Better to emphasize how bad its Speed is before it sets up an Agility, only being outspeeding the likes of Drowzee, Vileplume, and unboosted Porygon without an Agility boost. Being entirely worse than Seaking means it must not be used as a replacement to Seaking, but as a partner to it. The combination of Horsea and Seaking stacks weaknesses to Staryu and Gastly. Staryu is especially problematic for Horsea and Seaking, with even Double-Edge Seaking struggling to beat healthy Staryu without a crit, and Horsea being completely useless into Staryu unless it manages to freeze it. Horsea's flaws massivly massively outweigh its short list of benefits, and as a result Horsea should not be used in nearly any serious game.

[SET]
name: Horsea of the High-Seas
move 1: Surf
move 2: Blizzard
move 3: Agility
move 4: Smokescreen

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=========

Surf is Horsea's strongest move, 2HKOing Nidoqueen, Fire-types, and doing decent damage to other foes that dont don't resist it. Surf gets many Pokemon into KO range of a strong revenge killer such as Fearow or Scyther, such as Nidoqueen. Blizzard 2HKOes Fearow, Dragonair, and Scyther and 3HKOes Vileplume. Its small chance to freeze can also let Horsea get a lucky freeze on the likes of Staryu or Seaking if desperate. Agility lets Horea outspeed everything and win many matchups it would otherwise lose, such as Fearow, Nidoqueen, and Scyther, although due to Horsea's frailty, it finds it hard to find set up opportunities. Smokescreen lets Horsea prevent setup sweepers such as Seaking from using Horsea as setup fodder. Smokescreen can also be used when desperate as it can let Horsea make its way through matchups it may otherwise lose with some luck. Hydro Pump can be used in place of Surf as it is much more powerful than Surf, even outdamaging Seaking's Surf, notably 3HKOing Drowzee, Porygon, and Machamp, while Surf can only 4HKO them.

Horsea can not be used as a replacement to Seaking, it has to be used alongside it as otherwise Seaking entirely outclasses it as an individual Pokemon. Horsea needs support to be able to deal with Staryu, which makes Pokemon such as Vileplume and Drowzee good partners as they can switch in and incapacitate Staryu with status. Seaking should be used in the early- to mid-game to break and chip down foes for Horsea to KO in the late game. Seaking going down will also cause the opponent to value their Staryu less, which will make them more likely to let it be KOed or neutralised neutralized with status, making it easier for Horsea to remove later on. Mention teammates that can remove Seaking, as it also walls the crap out of Horsea. Pokemon with high Special like Gastly and Drowzee also give it a ton of issues, to mention support against them.

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Implemented. GP Team check this when you can please.
 
GP 1/1 GP Team done

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[OVERVIEW]

Horsea holds a micro-niche in PU as a second, (AC) weaker Seaking, being acting as an Agility sweeper that threatens many top Pokemon, (AC) such as Fearow, Arcanine, and Nidoqueen, (AC) with a 2HKO from either Surf or Blizzard. Horsea also has access to Smokescreen, which makes it much harder for Seaking to reliably set up an Agility in front of Horsea and sweep. (remove new paragraph) However, Horsea is entirely outclassed by Seaking, (RC) being much frailer and weaker than Seaking, notably being 2HKOed by Slash from Scyther's and Pinsir Slash and Thunderbolt from every relevant user from Nidoqueen, Gastly, Staryu, Dragonair, and Porygon. It is also always KOed by Fearow's Double-Edge into Hyper Beam, and it is 3HKOed by Seaking's Double-Edge and Drowzee's Psychic. This frailty makes it much harder for Horsea to set up an Agility compared to Seaking, which has enough bulk to reliably set up an Agility and sweep. Horsea's speed Speed is also poor very bad before it sets up an Agility, only being outspeeding the likes of Drowzee, Vileplume, and unboosted Porygon without an Agility boost. Being entirely worse than Seaking means it must not be used as a replacement to Seaking, but as a partner to it. The combination of Horsea and Seaking stacks weaknesses to Staryu and Gastly; (semicolon). (RP) Staryu is especially problematic for Horsea and Seaking, with as even Double-Edge Seaking struggling struggles to beat healthy Staryu without a critical hit, (RC) and Horsea being is completely useless into Staryu unless it manages to freeze it. Horsea's flaws massively outweigh its short list of benefits, and as a result Horsea should not be used in nearly any serious game.

[SET]
name: Horsea of the High-Seas Agility Sweeper (come on this is excessive)
move 1: Surf
move 2: Blizzard
move 3: Agility
move 4: Smokescreen

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=========

Surf is Horsea's strongest move, 2HKOing Nidoqueen, (RC) and Fire-types, (RC) and doing decent damage to neutral targets other foes that don't resist it. Surf gets many Pokemon, (AC) such as Nidoqueen, (AC) into KO range of a strong revenge killer, (AC) such as Fearow or Scyther, such as Nidoqueen. Blizzard 2HKOes Fearow, Dragonair, and Scyther and 3HKOes Vileplume. Its small chance to freeze can also let Horsea get a lucky freeze on the likes of Staryu or Seaking if desperate. Agility lets Horsea outspeed everything and win many matchups it would otherwise lose, such as against Fearow, Nidoqueen, and Scyther, although due to Horsea's frailty, it finds though it's hard to find setup (removed space) opportunities. Smokescreen lets Horsea prevent setup sweepers such as Seaking (there's not really anything else? Fearow cant set up on it) from using Horsea as setup fodder. Smokescreen can also be used when desperate, (AC) as it can let Horsea win poor matchups with enough luck or force a switch make its way through matchups it may otherwise lose with some luck. Hydro Pump can be used in place of Surf, (AC) as it is much more powerful than Surf, even outdamaging Seaking's Surf, notably 3HKOing Drowzee, Porygon, and Machamp, while Surf can only 4HKO them.

Horsea cannot (removed space) be used as a replacement to Seaking; (semicolon) , (RC) it has to be used alongside it, (AC) as otherwise Seaking entirely outclasses it. Horsea needs support to be able to deal with Staryu, which makes so Pokemon such as Vileplume and Drowzee make good partners, (AC) as they can switch in and incapacitate Staryu with status moves. Seaking should be used in the early- to mid-game to break and chip down foes for Horsea to KO in the late game. Seaking going down fainting will also likely cause the opponent to value their Staryu less, which will make them more likely to let it take paralysis or faint be KOed or neutralized with status, making it easier for Horsea to clean remove later on. Staryu also makes a good partner to Horsea, (AC) as it can remove Seaking, who which would otherwise threaten to set up and sweep in front (space) of Horsea. Pokemon with high special stats Special also give Horsea trouble, such as Gastly and Drowzee, so Pokemon that can handle them, (AC) such as Drowzee and Arcanine, (AC) make good partners for Horsea.

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Sabelette said:
GP 1/1 GP Team done

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[OVERVIEW]

Horsea holds a micro-niche in PU as a second, (AC) weaker Seaking, being acting as an Agility sweeper that threatens many top Pokemon, (AC) such as Fearow, Arcanine, and Nidoqueen, (AC) with a 2HKO from either Surf or Blizzard. Horsea also has access to Smokescreen, which makes it much harder for Seaking to reliably set up an Agility in front of Horsea and sweep. (remove new paragraph) However, Horsea is entirely outclassed by Seaking, (RC) being much frailer and weaker than Seaking, notably being 2HKOed by Slash from Scyther's and Pinsir Slash and Thunderbolt from every relevant user from Nidoqueen, Gastly, Staryu, Dragonair, and Porygon. It is also always KOed by Fearow's Double-Edge into Hyper Beam, and it is 3HKOed by Seaking's Double-Edge and Drowzee's Psychic. This frailty makes it much harder for Horsea to set up an Agility compared to Seaking, which has enough bulk to reliably set up an Agility and sweep. Horsea's speed Speed is also poor very bad before it sets up an Agility, only being outspeeding the likes of Drowzee, Vileplume, and unboosted Porygon without an Agility boost. Being entirely worse than Seaking means it must not be used as a replacement to Seaking, but as a partner to it. The combination of Horsea and Seaking stacks weaknesses to Staryu and Gastly; (semicolon). (RP) Staryu is especially problematic for Horsea and Seaking, with as even Double-Edge Seaking struggling struggles to beat healthy Staryu without a critical hit, (RC) and Horsea being is completely useless into Staryu unless it manages to freeze it. Horsea's flaws massively outweigh its short list of benefits, and as a result Horsea should not be used in nearly any serious game.

[SET]
name: Horsea of the High-Seas Agility Sweeper (come on this is excessive)
move 1: Surf
move 2: Blizzard
move 3: Agility
move 4: Smokescreen

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=========

Surf is Horsea's strongest move, 2HKOing Nidoqueen, (RC) and Fire-types, (RC) and doing decent damage to neutral targets other foes that don't resist it. Surf gets many Pokemon, (AC) such as Nidoqueen, (AC) into KO range of a strong revenge killer, (AC) such as Fearow or Scyther, such as Nidoqueen. Blizzard 2HKOes Fearow, Dragonair, and Scyther and 3HKOes Vileplume. Its small chance to freeze can also let Horsea get a lucky freeze on the likes of Staryu or Seaking if desperate. Agility lets Horsea outspeed everything and win many matchups it would otherwise lose, such as against Fearow, Nidoqueen, and Scyther, although due to Horsea's frailty, it finds though it's hard to find setup (removed space) opportunities. Smokescreen lets Horsea prevent setup sweepers such as Seaking (there's not really anything else? Fearow cant set up on it) from using Horsea as setup fodder. Smokescreen can also be used when desperate, (AC) as it can let Horsea win poor matchups with enough luck or force a switch make its way through matchups it may otherwise lose with some luck. Hydro Pump can be used in place of Surf, (AC) as it is much more powerful than Surf, even outdamaging Seaking's Surf, notably 3HKOing Drowzee, Porygon, and Machamp, while Surf can only 4HKO them.

Horsea cannot (removed space) be used as a replacement to Seaking; (semicolon) , (RC) it has to be used alongside it, (AC) as otherwise Seaking entirely outclasses it. Horsea needs support to be able to deal with Staryu, which makes so Pokemon such as Vileplume and Drowzee make good partners, (AC) as they can switch in and incapacitate Staryu with status moves. Seaking should be used in the early- to mid-game to break and chip down foes for Horsea to KO in the late game. Seaking going down fainting will also likely cause the opponent to value their Staryu less, which will make them more likely to let it take paralysis or faint be KOed or neutralized with status, making it easier for Horsea to clean remove later on. Staryu also makes a good partner to Horsea, (AC) as it can remove Seaking, who which would otherwise threaten to set up and sweep in front (space) of Horsea. Pokemon with high special stats Special also give Horsea trouble, such as Gastly and Drowzee, so Pokemon that can handle them, (AC) such as Drowzee and Arcanine, (AC) make good partners for Horsea.

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