HeartGold and SoulSilver: The Brand-New Breeding System!

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Okay, so, Gamefreak's been doing this right under our noses. And no one here ever mentioned the new system. So, I'll just post the big news here so everyone has an easier time breeding for their perfect-IV'd Pokemon.

Recently, Serebii.net has released a page discussing "Breeding Changes". What I have found out is the fact that a specific IV can be transferred to an offspring can be made easier if you purchase a power item at the battle frontier.

Here's the process:

1) Purchase multiple Power items at the Battle Frontier, or otherwise obtain it through other means.

2) Fly to the Daycare near Goldenrod City (the one with Whitney's gym).

3) Choose your (Legal!) parents and put them in your party. If you want
an offspring to have a perfect specific IV, then find a parent has has so. For example, you have a male Vaporeon that has a perfect Special Attack IV. Put him in the party along with a female compatible parent. The female parent may have a perfect IV, too, such an Espeon with a perfect Speed IV. Also, prepare the hatching method by putting a Pokemon with Flame Body or Magma Armor, such as the reliable Magcargo!

4) Assume we're using the Vaporeon and Espeon mentioned above. The IV’s that they have are similar to that of a great special sweeper (Glaceon, Espeon, Jolteon, Vaporeon, I’m looking at you guys). So, equip the power item that corresponds to their desired IVs:



Power Anklet: Speed


Power Band: Special Defense


Power Belt: Defense


Power Bracer: Attack


Power Lens: Special Attack


Power Weight: Hit Points
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So, obviously, if you want that great special sweeper, you must equip the Power Lens on Vaporeon, and the Power Anklet on Espeon. If you still want to keep that Modest or Timid Nature from Espeon, alternatively equip the Everstone instead.

5) Put both parents into the Daycare. And wait until the nice old man offers you the egg.

6) Hatch the egg in which place you desire. After your egg hatches to an Eevee, check the IV’s. The Special Attack IV will be 31. If you alternatively didn’t care about the nature and put a Power Anklet on Espeon, then the offspring will also have a speed IV of 31. If you DID care about the natures, then the Speed IV will be randomized while Vaporeon’s SpA IV remains the same on the offspring.

Small note: If you want some near-perfect IV's in every stat, continue breeding with the offspring involved. And, if you didn't get the desired nature, yet you have two or more perfect IV's, test your luck with a Johto Ditto holding an Everstone and most, if not all, your perfect IV's and desired nature should remain with Ditto's offspring.

Overall, I think this was a great action that Gamefreak did for us. Now, we don’t have to overly rely on probability and all that math crap in order to get that 29/31/30/31/31/31 Mixed Infernape…or at least I’m VERY sure, since it is Serebii.
In general, if you’ve got a power item on you, and you have a Pokemon that’s pretty good in a specific IV, just equip it with a specific Power Item, and BOOM! Breed away (lol)!



THERE WILL BE NO SEREBII FLAMING, ‘kay?


I know the IV calculator isn’t reliable compared to MetalKid’s, but, Joe actually tries hard to pass on information to use battlers.​



Also, use common sense, just like anybody else does on a normal thread.

The main purpose of this thread is to express thoughts and feelings on our new breeding system in the HGSS games. Also, this might impact the Breeding Guide Article on the DP page, so, also discuss the impact how how it is made easier or harder. Give your own opinions as well. All I had to do was “EXTRA! EXTRA! NEW BREEDING SYSTEM AVAILABLE?!”

If you don’t wanna depend on a Smogon freshman for his information, visit this page: http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/breeding.shtml

Ja-Ne~! Happy discussing.
 
The cynic in me reckons this is a way to try and sell more copies of HGSS. Assuming this is true, who's gonna want to breed without it?

It also makes me think I may not bother breeding anything in Platinum. Why spend hours now when in a few months it'll be made that much easier? I ought to hone my skills on Shoddy before I sort out Wifi teams anyway.
 
the breaking open of the RNG really makes it pointless to breed anything without it. spend some time learning how to sync your delay and offsets and all that jazz and get yourself some flawless pokemon.

i could see this being useful for people that don't have any pokemon to start off with however, or don't have any pokemon from a certain egg group. but overall, if you have some decent IVed pokemon, you should be abusing the RNG to get flawless pokemon every time.
 
You have to pass down the nature so getting 1 perfect IV(if you have one already) doesn't seem very useful to me because you still have 4-5 other IVs that you want to be at 31. IVs in general have outlived their point, all they feel like now is a big time sink that people try to avoid. The game would be better off if they only had EVs.
 
kingbattlus said:
the breaking open of the RNG really makes it pointless to breed anything without it. spend some time learning how to sync your delay and offsets and all that jazz and get yourself some flawless pokemon.

i could see this being useful for people that don't have any pokemon to start off with however, or don't have any pokemon from a certain egg group. but overall, if you have some decent IVed pokemon, you should be abusing the RNG to get flawless pokemon every time.
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RNG takes way too long to abuse. For me, anyways, it was annoying having to hit the exact frame, flip x# of journal pages, then get it all wrong. Some people invest more time into other games, on other systems, so for the more casual 'competitive' battlers, like myself, this is a huge improvement.
 
You know, there is a thing called "Ditto" :3

Maybe this does take a little probability and luck after all.

After you recieve your 31 SP Attack/31 Speed Eevee, you might wanna breed with a ditto with the right nature and some good IV's.

At least, that's how I got my Nasty Plot perfect Misdrevus now :D
 
In regular breeding (ie no RNG abuse, no HGSS), there's a good chance to inherit three or four IVs right. Does the HGSS tweak count IN ADDITION? If so, then random inherits + power item inherits = good chance to inherit 5 or 6 IVs.

Also, isn't the HGSS RNG different anyway?

If Game Freak really wanted to they could make RNG abuse impossible. All they'd have to do is use a CSPRNG - Cryptographically-secure pseudo-random number generator.
 
I originally heard that only one power item worked at a time, guess that info was wrong.

Anyway I am curious on how this affects the normal breeding mechanics.

In specific does the power item IVs count as one of the three IVs passed?
Can the three IVs passed land on the power item and effectively be wasted?
 
cantab said:
Also, isn't the HGSS RNG different anyway?
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Nope. It's the same, just methods of advancing (journal\coin flips) are either different (radio detuning\talking to your Pokemon) or absent.

If Game Freak really wanted to they could make RNG abuse impossible. All they'd have to do is use a CSPRNG - Cryptographically-secure pseudo-random number generator.
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I'm not sure you could pull that off without being so computationally taxing it causes the game to lag.
 
Or you could use a TRNG (True random number generator) that gets random numbers off of atmospheric disturbance like random.org.

Question:
Note that in DPPt the Everstone trick didn't work if the parents were from different language games, since that activates the Masuda (sp?) Method.

So, does this IV trick still work if the parents are from different language games?
If it does work, you could get a 4x chance of a shiny and pass down 2 IV guarenteed.
 
I noticed that both my parents have been passing natures aswell, is this supposed to happen? I have a male adamant starly and female jolly honchkrow, both with everstones and I get quite a lot of each nature.
 
If nobody minds me asking, how does this affect the natural passing down of IVs from parent to offspring?

As in, normally the egg receives 1 IV from each parent, then one from either one with overriding potential (correct me if I'm wrong), so does that mean that you have a high chance to pass down 5 IVs just like that? Or do the Power Item IVs override the stat that would have been passed down in ordinary circumstances?
 
OmegaDonut said:
Nope. It's the same, just methods of advancing (journal\coin flips) are either different (radio detuning\talking to your Pokemon) or absent.



I'm not sure you could pull that off without being so computationally taxing it causes the game to lag.
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Oh yeah. I won't have to flip through my journal 1,000 times just to get that perfect Suicune(although this is a different method than the power items, still good to know nonetheless). But, would I instead have to change radio stations x# of times? I would presume there is a topic about this already, but I haven't seen anything yet.
 
Rysta said:
I noticed that both my parents have been passing natures aswell, is this supposed to happen? I have a male adamant starly and female jolly honchkrow, both with everstones and I get quite a lot of each nature.
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Kinda irrelavent, but I'll answer since it's related to breeding.

It is pretty normal to have a passing nature with an everstone equiped, except that this applies to a female parent only. Like above, I mentioned that if you wanted an Espeon's Timid nature to passed on the the offspring, you will have to equip the Everstone instead of the Power item.

However, male parents (excluding Ditto) CANNOT pass down their natures to their children. How you Taillow manages to pass his Adamant nature down to his Murkrows is a mystery to me. Maybe you're just lucky? Very lucky.
 
blasphemy1 said:
Oh yeah. I won't have to flip through my journal 1,000 times just to get that perfect Suicune(although this is a different method than the power items, still good to know nonetheless). But, would I instead have to change radio stations x# of times? I would presume there is a topic about this already, but I haven't seen anything yet.
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Talking to your Pokemon can advance the RNG up to 90+ frames a pop, depending on the response. And they can be used to figure out if you landed on the right seed, like with coin flips.

There's a RNG research thread, but it's not stickied AND it's in Wi-Fi, so it falls down the page really fast.
 
If you put the macho brace on a poke with perfect iv's will the offspring have perfect iv's as well? Didn't think so, but it would be kick ass.
 
This is extremely good news for people who just care about 2-3 Ivs max.

E.g. Timid Gengar, Ivs needed are x/x/x/31/x/31 or possibly another 31 somewhere.
You're guaranteed 2 flawless Ivs then you can just SR and hope to get a third one =).
 
Zowayix said:
Or you could use a TRNG (True random number generator) that gets random numbers off of atmospheric disturbance like random.org.
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Hmmm...I'm not sure how a DS would do that though. The best would probably be the microphone hiss I guess.
 
From reasearch that MwL(or Airel whatever he changed his name to) noticed that if one parent holds the item the chances of its respective stat INCREASES not for sure. The only way for certain the IV will pass down is if both parents are holding the same power item. Then which parent it inherits the stat is from there. Or maybe I misunderstood one of you two.

Personally I think this will help with the HP/DF IVs, because their generally harder to pass down.

EDIT: If GF truly condemned RNG abuse, they wouldn't give us easy access to ways to maniplute. If they didn't want us manipulating it they would just not link the apps/radio/pokemon talking advances(as in talking/using these items wouldn't advance anything).
 
jujuomi said:
From reasearch that MwL(or Airel whatever he changed his name to) noticed that if one parent holds the item the chances of its respective stat INCREASES not for sure. The only way for certain the IV will pass down is if both parents are holding the same power item. Then which parent it inherits the stat is from there. Or maybe I misunderstood one of you two.

Personally I think this will help with the HP/DF IVs, because their generally harder to pass down.
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Hmmm...really? I just got some information from another source (dunno what it is :P but some kid was focused on getting the HGSS breeding thing), and the IV's passed are for sure. This may require further investigation. I'm not so excellent in the breeding experience :P.

Just a quick question: was having perfect pokemon a hard process, even before HGSS? I'd like to know more about the RNG mechanics and shit. *puts on glasses and take out a big book*
 
jujuomi said:
From reasearch that MwL(or Airel whatever he changed his name to)
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Why doesn't anyone ever get my nickname right? >_>

noticed that if one parent holds the item the chances of its respective stat INCREASES not for sure. The only way for certain the IV will pass down is if both parents are holding the same power item. Then which parent it inherits the stat is from there. Or maybe I misunderstood one of you two.
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Yeah, it works as you say; the Power item only increases the chance to ~50%. I don't know exactly how this Power method was implemented, so I can't say if the Power IV is generated independently of the other 1-3 IVs that are normally passed or if it doesn't, if it just overrides the frame's IV spread, or if there actually is a whole new method just for Power Items, involving D and E besides A, B and C as inherited IVs, blahblahblah... I guess I need to breed more Paras.

AccidentalGreed said:
Just a quick question: was having perfect pokemon a hard process, even before HGSS? I'd like to know more about the RNG mechanics and shit. *puts on glasses and take out a big book*
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It was ever a difficult task. It isn't only when you abuse the RNG, but even then, you'll have to deal with the delay (which, I shall say, has a thing for trolling with me).
 
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