Flinch Team

MorbidLilim

The primary goal of the team is to paralyze the foe and set up Togekiss for flinching.

I had wanted to use Tangrowth or something for Stun Spore (for those immune to Thunder Wave), but decided against it. Togekiss is essential to the strategy, and he is weak to ice, as is Gliscor, who I figured I'd need to counter Heracross should he get a Guts boost from paralysis. Tangrowth would add a third ice weak, which I thought might be too much. Or he would go in place of Gliscor, leaving me vulnerable to Heracross. If someone can find a way to fit Tangrowth on this team without compromising things too much, that would be cool.

I'm fairly new, and I've spent quite a long time on this, which I mostly attribute to my inexperience. As such, I'm sure there are improvements that can be made.

[Changes in bold]



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Bronzong @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/128 Atk/128 SDef
Sassy nature (+SDef, -Spe)
- Gyro Ball
- Stealth Rock
- Hypnosis
- Earthquake

Description: Leads. Sets up Stealth Rock, can incapacitate with Hypnosis. Counters various things.

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Lucario @ Life Orb
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Extremespeed
- Close Combat
- Stone Edge

Description: Kills Blissey and others. Physical sweeper etc.

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Togekiss @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Thunder Wave
- Air Slash
- Roost
- Substitute

Description: Probably the most important member of the team. Flinches everything to death, paralyzes anything that hasn't been already, Roosts off damage, and sets up substitutes for the 30% of the time the enemy manages to attack, they only end up hitting a sub.

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Gengar @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Timid nature (+Spe, -Def)
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]

Description: Revenge kills, occaissonal counter, and general backup. Covers Blissey and Lucario's Fighting weakness as well.

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Gliscor @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Roost
- Earthquake
- Aerial Ace
- Taunt

Description: Counters Heracross who may come in and get a Guts boost from all the paralysis flying around. Taunts stat uppers.

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Blissey @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 Def/40 SAtk/216 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Softboiled
- Thunder Wave
- Seismic Toss

Description: Paralyzer and special wall.



Threat Checklist

Blissey: Exploding Gengar
Tyranitar: Lucario resists Rock and Dark 4x, outspeeds, and can attack its 4x Fighting weakness. Gliscor can also counter with Earthquake
Gyarados: Gengar counters with Thunderbolt. Lucario has Stone Edge.
Infernape: Lucario with Extremespeed.
Azelf: Blissey walls. Lucario with Extremespeed.
Electivire:
Heracross: Gliscor.
Salamence: Blissey.
Togekiss: Blissey can wall and paralyze it.
Gengar: Blissey can wall and paralyze.
Garchomp: Gengar with Hidden Power Ice
Lucario: Gliscor walls and can Earthquake it. Blissey can come in on Choice Specs versions.
Starmie: Blissey walls.
Weavile: Bronzong
Dugtrio: Lucario kills with Extremespeed. Bronzong resists everything except Dark can use its speed against it with Gyro Ball.
Porygon-Z: Blissey can wall it.
Machamp:
Snorlax: Gengar if it doesn't have Crunch or Fire Punch. Gliscor Taunts it and doesn't take much from its attacks.
Zapdos: Blissey or Gliscor.
Suicine:
Breloom: Gliscor
Ninjask: Gliscor can Taunt.
Metagross: Gliscor
Heatran: Gliscor
Celebi: Gliscor Taunts, etc.
Jirachi: Bronzong
Dragonite:
Mamoswine: Bronzong
Gallade: Gliscor
Yanmega: Blissey
Kingdra: Blissey
Roserade: Blissey
Scizor: Gliscor


Changes so far:
Gengar - changed back to original set with scarf
Blissey - replaced Aromatherapy with Seismic Toss.
Cresselia - replaced with Lucario
 
Substitute + Calm Mind Raikou walks all over this team. How much do you value Aromatherapy on Blissey?
 
Anti said:
Substitute + Calm Mind Raikou walks all over this team. How much do you value Aromatherapy on Blissey?
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Well, to be honest, I'm not exactly sure of how important it is. I originally gave Aromatherapy to Blissey so I wouldn't get screwed with a paralyzed Togekiss. Although, I suppose Substitute should protect it from statuses most of the time.

So I suppose it could go if it has to.
 
Your team has no way of killing Blissey. I'd be so bold to say that Blissey actually sweeps your team(albeit very slowly). Blissey should be the first pokemon on your counter list, it's the crutch of every battler out there and should be expected to be met in 50% of all battles.
 
TVboyCanti said:
Your team has no way of killing Blissey. I'd be so bold to say that Blissey actually sweeps your team(albeit very slowly). Blissey should be the first pokemon on your counter list, it's the crutch of every battler out there and should be expected to be met in 50% of all battles.
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Well shit.

How 'bout changing Gengar to the Life Orb set with Explosion in the analysis? http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/gengar

Or will more than that be necessary?
 
To be honest I dont see the merit in Cresselia. In fact this team lacks a way to kill Blissey and other threats. Gengar won't do because of Protect Blissey.

I think replacing Cresselia with SD Lucario or Celebi creates a solid core that can actually beat blissey as well. Lucario provides a good physical attacker, as well a a Pokemon that gives priority...much needed priority. Celebi can Leech Seed Blissey which will eventually kill it, as well as provide a solid defensive pla with Blissey, Gliscor, and Bronzong.

I personally would use Lucario, as Gliscor, Blissey, and Bronzong will end up killing all of the counters to a Swords Dance Lucario anyhow. It also provides just a much quicker way to easily kill Blissey (as well as finish off weakened Raikou).
 
You lack speed, so I feel Scarf Gengar would be a solid choice to defeat other scarfers that may give you trouble.

If life orb and Explosion work though for you, you can still use it. The choice is entirely up to you.
 
Ok, changed Gengar back to the original set with scarf.

Anything else? I only have 2 pokemon with the ability to paralyze now. Is that enough considering my main goal?
 
I think I may just have to largely scrap this and try a different approach to a flinch team. I'm not really happy with its performance...

My thanks to those who have taken the time to offer advice.
 
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