Before Flinchhax Togekiss and before Drunksparce, there was Fire Spin-Fire Blast Moltres in RBY. Game Freak vastly overestimated Fire Spin's power, even though it was clearly intended to be an ultimate attack - it was the last move many fire pokemon learned.
In Generation 2, it retained its 15 power and 75% accuracy... and lost what was effectively a 100% flinch rate to get a 2-5 round weak damage and trap effect. And that's all she wrote.
In Generation 5, however, Fire Spin has been boosted to a usable 35 Special Power, 85% accuracy, and traps for 5 to 6 turns by default. Additionally, there is a hold item called Pressure Button which increases the move's power - I'm not certain by how much, if anyone would like to test it, but it costs 48 Battle Points. With that price, I'm expecting a 50% increase, and I'm hoping it's 100%. The comparable cost item gives you a Levitate until you're hit, which is pretty big. There's also the Grip Claw, and I'm not sure how it'll change this gen - if it goes the way of weather rocks and lasts 8 turns, that's... pretty nice.
The following pokemon get Fire Spin: Charizard, Ninetales, Arcanine, Rapidash, Magmortar, Moltres, Houndoom, Entei, Blaziken, Torkoal, Solrock, Infernape, Shanderaa (Ghost Chandelier), Heatran, Kuitaran (Fire Anteater), Urugamosu (Fire/Bug thing of doom).
Of these pokemon, Entei, Moltres, Torkoal, Ninetales, Arcanine are fairly durable. Out of those, all of them are:
- Quick (except Torkoal)
- Have an ability that supports switching in (except Moltres and Entei, both of which have Dream World abilities that support that).
- Have a powerful offense and/or a statboosting move. Ninetales also gets the now 100% accurate Disable, which might have use. Maybe?
Depending on that Pressure Button item, I could see 'more accurate, weaker Magma Storm' having a usage. Reliable support damage for 5-6 turns isn't bad either.
Fire Spin's equivalents also got boosts. I'm pretty dumb at pokemons and also low on time, so I won't try to highlight anyone amazing. I also will not be including Gen Vers here due to being low on time.
Without further ado:
Bind: 15 BP; Physical Normal; 85% Accuracy
Wrap: 15 BP; Physical Normal; 90% Accuracy
Clamp: 35 BP; Physical Water; 85% Accuracy
Whirlpool: 35 BP; Special Water; 85% Accuracy
Sand Tomb: 35 BP; Physical Ground; 85% Accuracy
Magma Storm: 120 BP; Special Fire; 75% Accuracy
In Generation 2, it retained its 15 power and 75% accuracy... and lost what was effectively a 100% flinch rate to get a 2-5 round weak damage and trap effect. And that's all she wrote.
In Generation 5, however, Fire Spin has been boosted to a usable 35 Special Power, 85% accuracy, and traps for 5 to 6 turns by default. Additionally, there is a hold item called Pressure Button which increases the move's power - I'm not certain by how much, if anyone would like to test it, but it costs 48 Battle Points. With that price, I'm expecting a 50% increase, and I'm hoping it's 100%. The comparable cost item gives you a Levitate until you're hit, which is pretty big. There's also the Grip Claw, and I'm not sure how it'll change this gen - if it goes the way of weather rocks and lasts 8 turns, that's... pretty nice.
The following pokemon get Fire Spin: Charizard, Ninetales, Arcanine, Rapidash, Magmortar, Moltres, Houndoom, Entei, Blaziken, Torkoal, Solrock, Infernape, Shanderaa (Ghost Chandelier), Heatran, Kuitaran (Fire Anteater), Urugamosu (Fire/Bug thing of doom).
Of these pokemon, Entei, Moltres, Torkoal, Ninetales, Arcanine are fairly durable. Out of those, all of them are:
- Quick (except Torkoal)
- Have an ability that supports switching in (except Moltres and Entei, both of which have Dream World abilities that support that).
- Have a powerful offense and/or a statboosting move. Ninetales also gets the now 100% accurate Disable, which might have use. Maybe?
Depending on that Pressure Button item, I could see 'more accurate, weaker Magma Storm' having a usage. Reliable support damage for 5-6 turns isn't bad either.
Fire Spin's equivalents also got boosts. I'm pretty dumb at pokemons and also low on time, so I won't try to highlight anyone amazing. I also will not be including Gen Vers here due to being low on time.
Without further ado:
Bind: 15 BP; Physical Normal; 85% Accuracy
Carnivine, Dusknoir, Kecleon, Pinsir, Steelix, Tangrowth
Arbok, Chimecho, Deoxys, Dragonite, Lickilicky, Milotic, Seviper, Shuckle, Tentacruel, Victreebel
Cloyster
I'll just link you Gen IV, but be warned that if precedent holds, you probably cannot transfer Gen IV HM moves to Gen V...
Dugtrio, Flygon, Forretress, Garchomp, Gliscor, Hippowdon, Sandslash, Shuckle, Steelix, Sudowoodo, Torterra, Trapinch
Heatran
