Evolution and Abilities

MoFro

Okay, this is something that's been bugging me lately. Is there a way to know what a final evolution's Ability will be by judging from the pre-evolved form(s)?

For example, I really need my Camerupt to have the ability Solid Rock because it beats the pants off of Magma Armor. But, Numel and Camerupt's abilities are different:

Numel: Simple, Oblivious
Camerupt: Solid Rock, Magma Armor

I realized that the Camerupt I had been training had Magma Armor so now I'm having to restart. Is there a way I can pick a Numel which will have the right one, or is it random?

Also worried about my Porygon2 evolving into Porygon-Z... I don't want to waste Dubious Disc, especially after they nerfed the GTS cloning.
 
For Numel specifically, I have noticed Simple turns into Solid Rock, and Oblivious turns into Magma Armor. Someone can perhaps post to confirm this, but thats what I have experienced, that is, i think 100% of the time if the numel is from D/P Simple will turn into Solid Rock, and Oblivious turns into Magma Armor... If from R/S it can change to Solid Rock from Oblivious.
 
That's what I guessed, and so I bred a new Numel that had Simple instead of Oblivious. Does anyone know if there's a resource that lists which Abilities involve into others? If not, the first person to make one gets a cookie. :3
 
This is more suited for the simple question simple answer thread...

but anyways, some like Porygon2 for it's higher defences, almost everyone who uses one opts for porygon-z.

Magma armor's good for egg hatching, so it's not all bad:P
 
This deserves its own thread considering I have never seen such a resource. Not all questions belong in the "Simple Question, Simple Answer" thread, especially not those where the answer would be a table of every Pokemon that gets new abilities on evolving.
 
I'm pretty sure Simple Numel turns into Solid Rock Camerput everytime, and Oblivious always becomes Magma Armor.
 
Ability is decided by the personality value isn't it? I think that if it is below certain number then the pokemon always gets ability 1 and if it is over said number it will always get ability 2.
Since the personality value is hidden the problem as you say it is to find found which abilities are considered 1 and 2 for every pokemon with 2 abilities and that can only be determined experimenting.
From what I see speed boost yanmas become speed boost yanmegas and compound eyes yanmas get tinted lens upon evolution.
 
The only ambiguous ones are the following:

Tyrogue with Guts evolve into Hitmonlee with Limber, Hitmonchan with Keen Eye, and Hitmontop with Intimidate.
Tyrogue with Steadfast evolve into Hitmonlee with Reckless, Hitmonchan with Iron Fist, and Hitmontop with Technician.

Numel with Oblivious evolve into Camerupt with Magma Armor.
Numel with Simple evolve into Camerupt with Solid Rock.

I believe that all other Pokémon share at least one ability with their evolution or are in some other way non-ambiguous, but I went through the list pretty fast, so I might have missed some.
 
I think it's worked out by the Pokemon's DV (Dynamic Value) isn't it? It is the number (between 0 and (2^8)-1(256)) that determines a Pokemon's gender, and it's fixed, so it prevents Pokemon's genders from changing during evolution. Also, I know cheating devices manipulate the DVs to make certain Pokemon certain genders, so they may do with the abilities too.

And yes, I know Azurill can change gender when they evolve, but the DVs are also in charge of that. It is the DVs that make sure female Azurill cannot evolve into male Marill. It is the DVs that make sure only a third of the male Azurill evolve into female Marill.
 
The ability is determined by the Pokemon's last bit of the PID, which is a 32-bit number. Namely, if it is zero, the Pokemon will have the first ability, while if it is one, it will have the second one. Alternatively, this can be understood in the following way: the Pokemon's ability depends on whether the PID is even or odd. Of course, if the Pokemon can have only one ability, then it will have that ability irrespective of what the PID is. However, if a Pokemon had only one ability in ADV and has two possible abilities in DP and is transferred from Ruby (say) to Diamond and evolved, it can change its ability depending on what its PID is. For example, if a Limber Meowth is transferred from Fire Red to Diamond and is evolved in Diamond, it can change its ability to Technician if its PID is odd.

That said, we need a chart telling us which ability bit corresponds to 0 or 1, so that we know how the abilities change during evolution.

Fortunately, yamipoli provided me with such a chart last Summer. At that time I was researching on how to know if an ADV Pokemon changes its ability or not when transferred to DP and evolves, and she had given me that chart very generously.

All Pokemon having the same ability/abilities in their evolution line don't change their ability. For example, a Keen Eye Pidgey will evolve into a Keen Eye Pidgeotto which evolves into a Keen Eye Pidgeot; it will never change its ability to Tangled Feet upon evolution. NOTE: IT SEEMS LIKE POKEMON THAT ARE TRANSFERRED FROM XD CAN VIOLATE THIS RULE THOUGH!

The others change as follows:

Venonat -> Venomoth
Compoundeyes -> Shield Dust
Tinted Lens -> Tinted Lens

Meowth -> Persian
Pick Up -> Limber
Technician -> Technician

Tyrogue -> Hitmonlee
Guts -> Limber
Steadfast -> Reckless

Tyrogue -> Hitmonchan
Guts -> Keen Eye
Steadfast -> Iron Fist

Tyrogue -> Hitmontop
Guts -> Intimidate
Steadfast -> Technician

Rhyhorn -> Rhydon -> Rhyperior
Lightningrod -> Lightningrod -> Lightningrod
Rock Head -> Rock Head -> Solid Rock

Porygon -> Porygon2 -> Porygon-Z
Trace -> Trace -> Adaptability
Download -> Download -> Download

Aipom -> Ambipom
Run Away -> Technician
Pick Up -> Pick Up

Yanma -> Yanmega
Speed Boost -> Speed Boost
Compoundeyes -> Tinted Lens

Snubbull -> Granbull
Intimidate -> Intimidate
Run Away -> Quick Feet

Teddiursa -> Ursaring
Pick Up -> Guts
Quick Feet -> Quick Feet

Remoraid -> Octillery
Hustle -> Suction Cups
Sniper -> Sniper

Poochyena -> Mightyena
Run Away -> Intimidate
Quick Feet -> Quick Feet

Numel -> Camerupt
Oblivious -> Magma Armor
Simple -> Solid Rock

Buneary -> Lopunny
Run Away -> Cute Charm
Klutz -> Klutz

Glameow -> Purugly
Limber -> Thick Fat
Own Tempo -> Own Tempo
 
SHUCKLE MAN said:
I think it's worked out by the Pokemon's DV (Dynamic Value) isn't it? It is the number (between 0 and (2^8)-1(256)) that determines a Pokemon's gender, and it's fixed, so it prevents Pokemon's genders from changing during evolution. Also, I know cheating devices manipulate the DVs to make certain Pokemon certain genders, so they may do with the abilities too.

And yes, I know Azurill can change gender when they evolve, but the DVs are also in charge of that. It is the DVs that make sure female Azurill cannot evolve into male Marill. It is the DVs that make sure only a third of the male Azurill evolve into female Marill.
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You know what's freaky is the fact that you're saying there was once a time that pokemon genders changed when evolving O.o
 
Imo, the most important thing is how they change from RSEFRLG to DP.

Stuff like Yanma's Compoundeyes change into Tinted Lens whereas Meowths Pickup may evolve in either Limber or Technician (while not evolving in DP obviously always gives Limber).
 
The Porygon part of that chart is messed up Neither Porygon nor Porygon get Adaptability. Using your above logic it would be:

Porygon-->Porygon2-->Porygon-Z
Trace-->Trace-->Adaptability
Download-->Download-->Download
 
I'd like to know what causes Advance Pokemon with two abilities to swap between them when evolving in DP. Hustle killed my 31 / 15 - 16 / 10 - 11 / 30 - 31 / 15 - 16 / 26 - 27 Modest Togepi from XD. I'd like to know why exactly that happened. It had Serene Grace as a Togetic (I had evolved it in Emerald) but somehow got Hustle when it became a Togekiss.
 
azntrumpet said:
The Porygon part of that chart is messed up Neither Porygon nor Porygon get Adaptability. Using your above logic it would be:

Porygon-->Porygon2-->Porygon-Z
Trace-->Trace-->Adaptability
Download-->Download-->Download
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Thanks for catching the mistake.

MegaMewtwo, that's strange. Maybe Pokemon from XD have a different way of assigning abilities to Pokemon. I'm sure that if your Pokemon was from RS or from FRLG, it wouldn't have changed abilities when evolved in DP.
 
Yeah, it's like 1, 2, and 3 are male, 4 is female in Azurill but 1 and 2 are male and 3 and 4 are female in Marill, so 1 and 2 will stay male and 3 will change. 4 was always female.

This is a simplification but you get what I'm saying.
 
SHUCKLE MAN said:
Only Azurill's gender can. 1 in 3 male Azurill evolve into female Marill.
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Okay but what scared me about the thing was Azurill had a 75/25 M/F rate latched onto it. You get an 75% chance of getting a male but have a 1/3 chance of it changing into a female....sex change much.

Sanjay~ I get you. 1&2 are forever males, 4 are forever females, and 3 can be either male or female.
 
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