Cloyster (Choice Scarf) (QC 2/2) (GP 2/2)

Still fairly unfamiliar with how the process goes for stand alone sets, but this set is really a hidden gem!



[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Icicle Spear
move 2: Rock Blast
move 3: Razor Shell
move 4: Explosion
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Skill Link
nature: Adamant
evs: 20 HP / 252 Atk / 236 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>There isn't really any part of Cloyster that screams "Choice Scarf user," especially as it possesses only middling Speed and Attack stats. To see just how effective this set is, however, take a closer look at Icicle Spear. Cloyster's Skill Link Icicle Spears are essentially Ice-type Close Combats with no negative repercussions, as well as the ability to bypass Focus Sash and Yache Berry. Even though base 95 Attack might not sound too attractive on paper, that's still on par with the likes of Hitmontop. Add that to the fact that many common Pokemon take super effective or neutral damage to Ice-type attacks, and you have a really potent Pokemon on your hands!</p>

<p>Icicle Spear is the star of the show. With a Choice Scarf, Cloyster can outspeed and OHKO maximum HP Zapdos, Yache Berry Garchomp, Latios, Thunderus, Tornadus, and much more. It's absolutely hilarious to see threats such as Zapdos have their Sitrus Berry activate midway through the attack, only to have them faint after all five hits. Rock Blast provides a good source of coverage and deals massive damage to any Fire-types that stand in your way. Razor Shell will be seldom used, but it provides a nice secondary STAB attack and gets a good hit off on the troublesome Terrakion. Explosion is primarily filler, but it may come in handy once in a blue moon. You're using a Choice Scarf Cloyster anyway, so a second surprise in the form of Explosion couldn't hurt.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EV spread listed allows Cloyster to hit the magical speed of 180 with a Choice Scarf, just barely enough to outpace positive-natured base 111 Speed Pokemon. From there, the rest is invested into Attack for maximum firepower. The remaining EVs are then dumped into HP to add some bulk to Cloyster. If you want, you can choose a Naughty nature and a special attack in the 4th slot, but it probably won't be seeing much use. If you choose to run a Naughty nature, make sure to move the HP EVs into Special Attack. Prominent special options include Hidden Power Fire, Surf, Hydro Pump, Blizzard, and Ice Beam. For a few wacky hijinks, Protect is an option in the last slot. Using Protect and immediately switching out on the next turn might fool your opponent into thinking you're not using a Choice Scarf at all. Maximum Speed with a Jolly nature is also an option and allows you to outrun maximum Speed base 115 Pokemon as well as Scarf Tyranitar and Scarf Abomasnow. Be warned that the power difference is noticeable, so give it some thought first.</p>

<p>As for teammates, Cloyster can't handle multiple opponents at once, so Follow Me, Rage Powder, or Fake Out support is greatly appreciated. Not only does Hitmontop make a stellar Fake Out user, but it can lower the power of opposing Rock Slides with Intimidate or block Rock Slide, or any other spread attack, with Wide Guard, as well as smack Steel-types that resist Icicle Spear with Close Combat. Amoonguss can redirect Fighting, Grass, or Electric-type attacks aimed for Cloyster with Rage Powder, sponge Fake Outs from slower Fake Out users, and even put your opponent to sleep with Spore, giving Cloyster plenty of time to attack. Volcarona is a good choice for a Rage Powder user as it also resists the Fighting and Grass-type attacks aimed at Cloyster and outspeeds most Fake Out users, all but guaranteeing that Cloyster will be free to attack (burning Fake Out users with Volcarona's Flame Body is also hysterical). Be cautious if using Volcarona and Cloyster together, as two Pokemon weak to Rock Slide isn't the best idea. Pokemon that love having Garchomp and Zapdos out of the way love to partner up with Cloyster. Metagross jumps to mind immediately as a good candidate, as it loves firing off Meteor Mashes and Earthquakes without the ever-annoying Zapdos in the way.</p>
 
21:32 TrollFreak k, my suggestions
21:32 TrollFreak HP Fire in their somewhere, maybe AC, dealing w/ Ferro and Scizor is cool
21:33 TrollFreak actually, use it > Explosion, since you say it
21:33 TrollFreak *it's filler, or slash it like this Hidden Power Fire / Explosion
21:33 TrollFreak with a spread of 252 Atk / 20 SpA / 236 Spe
21:34 TrollFreak and a Naughty nature
21:34 TheMantyke Er, what's HP Fire hitting though, Scizor ?_?
21:34 TrollFreak and Ferro
21:34 TheMantyke Oh, and I guess most steels
21:34 TrollFreak both take attacks on the set well
21:34 TrollFreak so thats just me
21:34 TheMantyke Ferro doesn't enjoy neutral spears
21:35 TrollFreak can tank them tho, and Leech Seed + Protect means it can deal w/ it better
21:35 TheMantyke But that may help against Steels, good point
21:36 TrollFreak 252 Atk Cloyster (+Atk) Icicle Spear vs 252 HP/148 Def Ferrothorn (+Def) : 7.18% - 8.84%
21:37 TheMantyke That's just about 40% then
21:37 TrollFreak each, so 35.9-44.2
21:37 TheMantyke Could you calc HP Fire too?
21:37 TheMantyke I already threw in a list of nice special attacks in AC with your mentions
21:38 TrollFreak k
21:38 TrollFreak 20 SpAtk Cloyster Hidden Power Fire vs 252 HP/108 SpDef Ferrothorn: 44.2% - 53.04%
21:38 TrollFreak damn
21:38 TheMantyke HP Fire will probably move up if people give it a little more positive output
21:38 TrollFreak k, lemme double check
21:38 TrollFreak to make sure
21:38 TrollFreak cause that looks a little low lol
21:38 TrollFreak nope, its right
21:38 TheMantyke Sadly, Cloyster doesn't hit very hard with its special attack before a boost.
21:38 TrollFreak DAMN, thats bulky
21:38 TrollFreak yea
21:39 TheMantyke Although if anything I think that really testifies how awesome Icicle Spear is!
21:39 TrollFreak yea lol
21:39 TrollFreak HP Fire does more, and to guarteee the 2HKO, you'll lose SO much attack
21:39 TrollFreak since speed is necessary
21:40 TrollFreak but I would still keep it in, much more use than Explosion
21:40 TrollFreak and prob AC or Slash Explosion after HP Fire
21:40 TheMantyke To be perfectly frank, most of the set is filler after IS, lol
21:40 TrollFreak lol
21:41 TheMantyke 80% of the time, it's IS with the RB and RS rounding out about 19%
21:41 TheMantyke Razor Shell is pretty much only handy for terrakion, although it doesn't KO
21:41 TrollFreak yea
21:42 TrollFreak but thats just me, in terms of usefullness, HP Fire has more use than Explosion
21:42 TrollFreak 20 SpAtk Cloyster Hidden Power Fire vs 252 HP/0 SpDef Scizor: 65.54% - 79.1%
21:43 TrollFreak 252 Atk Cloyster (+Atk) Rock Blast vs 252 HP/252 Def Scizor: 6.21% - 7.34% 14-17 hits to KO
21:43 TrollFreak js, but thats again, just me
 
Mention Hydro Pump as a prospective Special Attack if you run Naughty. I think even without much in it, it's still better than Razor Shell.

Mention that Jolly does allow you to outrun Base 115s, along with Scarf Tyranitar/Abomasnows.

After that, there isn't really too much else to say about it. I've used it, and it kicks a lot of ass if the opponent isn't well prepared. Always nice to watch a Zapdos eat a Sitrus and still die to 5x hit Icicle Spear.

QC 1/2
 
About your check R Inanimate,

Mention Hydro Pump as a prospective Special Attack if you run Naughty. I think even without much in it, it's still better than Razor Shell.
does this mean you want it as the main nature, or use this as an AC mention?
 
About your check R Inanimate,

does this mean you want it as the main nature, or use this as an AC mention?

AC mention still, though better than Razor Shell, it's still not a move you end up using too much. As much as I'd like to say that the Special Defense doesn't matter too much for Cloyster, it doesn't really do it many favors when even resisted attacks take out huge chunks from its HP.
 
I was /really/ hoping this wouldn't go on site since this is a set that thrives on surprise, and it is such a brilliant mon, but oh well :'(

i love this too much QC 2/2
 
[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Icicle Spear
move 2: Rock Blast
move 3: Razor Shell
move 4: Explosion
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Skill Link
nature: Adamant
evs: 20 HP / 252 Atk / 236 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>There isn't really any part of Cloyster that screams "Choice Scarf user with its," especially as it possesses only middling Speed and Attack stats. To see just how effective this set is, however, take a closer look at Icicle Spear. Cloyster's Skill Link Icicle Spears are essentially Ice-type Close Combats with no negative repercussions and the ability to bypass Focus Sash and Yache Berry. Even though Bbase 95 Attack might not sound too attractive on paper, that's still on par with the likes of Hitmontop. Add that to the fact many top tierthat many common Pokemon take super effective or neutral damage to Ice-type attacks, and you have a really potent Pokemon on your hands!</p>

<p>Icicle Spear is the star of the show. With a Choice Scarf, Cloyster can outspeed and OHKO Maxmaximum HP Zapdos, Yache Berry Garchomp, Latios, Thunderous, Tornadus, and much more. It's absolutely hilarious to see threats such as Zapdos have their Sitrus Berry activate midway through the attack, only to have them faint after all five hits. Rock Blast provides a good source of coverage and deals massive damage to any Fire-types that stand in your way. Razor Shell will be seldom used, but it provides a nice secondary STAB attack and gets a good hit off on the troublesome Terrakion. Explosion is primarily filler, but it may come in handy once in a blue moon. You're using a Choice Scarf Cloyster anyway, so a second surprise in the form of Explosion couldn't hurt.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EV spread listed allows Cloyster to hit the magical speed of 180 with a Choice Scarf, just barely enough to outpace maximum investment beneficial , positive-nature Bd base 111 Speed Pokemon. From there, the rest is invested into Attack for maximum firepower. The remaining EVs are then dumped into HP to add some bulk to Cloyster. If you want, you can choose a Naughty nature and a special attack in the 4th slot, but it probably won't be seeing much use. If you choose to run a Naughty nature, make sure to move the HP EVs into Special Attack. Prominent Sspecial Attack choiceoptions include Hidden Power Fire, Surf, Hydro Pump, Blizzard, and Ice Beam. For a few wacky hijinks, Protect is an option in the last slot. Using Protect and immediately switching out on the next turn might fool your opponent into thinking you're not using a Choice itemScarf at all. Maximum Speed with a Jolly nature is also an option and allows you to outrun max simum Speed base 115 Pokemon as well as Scarf Tyranitar and Scarf Abomasnow. Be warned that the power difference is noticeable, so give it some thought first.</p>

<p>As for teammates, Cloyster can't handle multiple opponents at once, so Follow Me, Rage Powder, or Fake Out support is greatly appreciated. Not only does Hitmontop make a stellar Fake Out user, but it can lower the power of opposing Rock Slides with Intimidate and smack Steel-types that resist Icicle Spear with Close Combat. Amoonguss can redirect Fighting-type attacks aimed for Cloyster with Rage Powder, sponge Fake Outs from slower Fake Out users, and even put your opponent to sleep with Spore, giving Cloyster plenty of time to attack.
Volcarona is a good choice for a Rage Powder user as it also resists the Fighting-type attacks aimed at Cloyster and outspeeds most Fake Out users, almost making surel but guaranteeing that Cloyster will be free to attack (burning Fake Out users with Volcarona's Flame Body is also hysterical). Be cautious if using Volcarona and Cloyster together, as two Pokemon weak to Rock Slide isn't the best idea. Pokemon that love having Garchomp and Zapdos out of the way love to partner up with Cloyster. Metagross jumps to mind immediately as a good candidate, as it loves firing off Meteor Mashes and Earthquakes without the ever annoying Zapdos in the way.</p>

[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Icicle Spear
move 2: Rock Blast
move 3: Razor Shell
move 4: Explosion
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Skill Link
nature: Adamant
evs: 20 HP / 252 Atk / 236 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>There isn't really any part of Cloyster that screams "Choice Scarf user," especially as it possesses only middling Speed and Attack stats. To see just how effective this set is, however, take a closer look at Icicle Spear. Cloyster's Skill Link Icicle Spears are essentially Ice-type Close Combats with no negative repercussions and the ability to bypass Focus Sash and Yache Berry. Even though base 95 Attack might not sound too attractive on paper, that's still on par with the likes of Hitmontop. Add that to the fact that many common Pokemon take super effective or neutral damage to Ice-type attacks, and you have a really potent Pokemon on your hands!</p>

<p>Icicle Spear is the star of the show. With a Choice Scarf, Cloyster can outspeed and OHKO maximum HP Zapdos, Yache Berry Garchomp, Latios, Thunderus, Tornadus, and much more. It's absolutely hilarious to see threats such as Zapdos have their Sitrus Berry activate midway through the attack, only to have them faint after all five hits. Rock Blast provides a good source of coverage and deals massive damage to any Fire-types that stand in your way. Razor Shell will be seldom used, but it provides a nice secondary STAB attack and gets a good hit off on the troublesome Terrakion. Explosion is primarily filler, but it may come in handy once in a blue moon. You're using a Choice Scarf Cloyster anyway, so a second surprise in the form of Explosion couldn't hurt.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EV spread listed allows Cloyster to hit the magical speed of 180 with a Choice Scarf, just barely enough to outpace maximum investment, positive-natured base 111 Speed Pokemon. From there, the rest is invested into Attack for maximum firepower. The remaining EVs are then dumped into HP to add some bulk to Cloyster. If you want, you can choose a Naughty nature and a special attack in the 4th slot, but it probably won't be seeing much use. If you choose to run a Naughty nature, make sure to move the HP EVs into Special Attack. Prominent special options include Hidden Power Fire, Surf, Hydro Pump, Blizzard, and Ice Beam. For a few wacky hijinks, Protect is an option in the last slot. Using Protect and immediately switching out on the next turn might fool your opponent into thinking you're not using a Choice Scarf at all. Maximum Speed with a Jolly nature is also an option and allows you to outrun maximum Speed base 115 Pokemon as well as Scarf Tyranitar and Scarf Abomasnow. Be warned that the power difference is noticeable, so give it some thought first.</p>

<p>As for teammates, Cloyster can't handle multiple opponents at once, so Follow Me, Rage Powder, or Fake Out support is greatly appreciated. Not only does Hitmontop make a stellar Fake Out user, but it can lower the power of opposing Rock Slides with Intimidate and smack Steel-types that resist Icicle Spear with Close Combat. Amoonguss can redirect Fighting-type attacks aimed for Cloyster with Rage Powder, sponge Fake Outs from slower Fake Out users, and even put your opponent to sleep with Spore, giving Cloyster plenty of time to attack. Volcarona is a good choice for a Rage Powder user as it also resists the Fighting-type attacks aimed at Cloyster and outspeeds most Fake Out users, all but guaranteeing that Cloyster will be free to attack (burning Fake Out users with Volcarona's Flame Body is also hysterical). Be cautious if using Volcarona and Cloyster together, as two Pokemon weak to Rock Slide isn't the best idea. Pokemon that love having Garchomp and Zapdos out of the way love to partner up with Cloyster. Metagross jumps to mind immediately as a good candidate, as it loves firing off Meteor Mashes and Earthquakes without the ever-annoying Zapdos in the way.</p>
contrib_gp.png

GP 1/2
Very nice job!
 
I'm on it!

[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Icicle Spear
move 2: Rock Blast
move 3: Razor Shell
move 4: Explosion
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Skill Link
nature: Adamant
evs: 20 HP / 252 Atk / 236 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>There isn't really any part of Cloyster that screams "Choice Scarf user," especially as it possesses only middling Speed and Attack stats. (Umm, isn't that the entire point of using a Choice Scarf, to get rid of the Speed issue?) To see just how effective this set is, however, take a closer look at Icicle Spear. Cloyster's Skill Link Icicle Spears are essentially Ice-type Close Combats with no negative repercussions, ands well as the ability to bypass Focus Sash and Yache Berry. Even though base 95 Attack might not sound too attractive on paper, that's still on par with the likes of Hitmontop. Add that to the fact that many common Pokemon take super effective or neutral damage to Ice-type attacks, and you have a really potent Pokemon on your hands!</p>

<p>Icicle Spear is the star of the show. With a Choice Scarf, Cloyster can outspeed and OHKO maximum HP Zapdos, Yache Berry Garchomp, Latios, Thunderus, Tornadus, and much more. It's absolutely hilarious to see threats such as Zapdos have their Sitrus Berry activate midway through the attack, only to have them faint after all five hits. Rock Blast provides a good source of coverage and deals massive damage to any Fire-types that stand in your way. Razor Shell will be seldom used, but it provides a nice secondary STAB attack and gets a good hit off on the troublesome Terrakion. Explosion is primarily filler, but it may come in handy once in a blue moon. You're using a Choice Scarf Cloyster anyway, so a second surprise in the form of Explosion couldn't hurt.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EV spread listed allows Cloyster to hit the magical speed of 180 with a Choice Scarf, just barely enough to outpace maximum investment, positive-natured base 111 Speed Pokemon. From there, the rest is invested into Attack for maximum firepower. The remaining EVs are then dumped into HP to add some bulk to Cloyster. If you want, you can choose a Naughty nature and a special attack in the 4th slot, but it probably won't be seeing much use. If you choose to run a Naughty nature, make sure to move the HP EVs into Special Attack. Prominent special options include Hidden Power Fire, Surf, Hydro Pump, Blizzard, and Ice Beam. For a few wacky hijinks, Protect is an option in the last slot. Using Protect and immediately switching out on the next turn might fool your opponent into thinking you're not using a Choice Scarf at all. Maximum Speed with a Jolly nature is also an option and allows you to outrun maximum Speed base 115 Pokemon as well as Scarf Tyranitar and Scarf Abomasnow. Be warned that the power difference is noticeable, so give it some thought first.</p>

<p>As for teammates, Cloyster can't handle multiple opponents at once, so Follow Me, Rage Powder, or Fake Out support is greatly appreciated. Not only does Hitmontop make a stellar Fake Out user, but it can lower the power of opposing Rock Slides with Intimidate andor block Rock Slide, or any other spread attack, with Wide Guard, as well as smack Steel-types that resist Icicle Spear with Close Combat. Amoonguss can redirect Fighting, Grass, or Electric-type attacks aimed for Cloyster with Rage Powder, sponge Fake Outs from slower Fake Out users, and even put your opponent to sleep with Spore, giving Cloyster plenty of time to attack. Volcarona is a good choice for a Rage Powder user as it also resists the Fighting and Grass-type attacks aimed at Cloyster and outspeeds most Fake Out users, all but guaranteeing that Cloyster will be free to attack (burning Fake Out users with Volcarona's Flame Body is also hysterical). Be cautious if using Volcarona and Cloyster together, as two Pokemon weak to Rock Slide isn't the best idea. Pokemon that love having Garchomp and Zapdos out of the way love to partner up with Cloyster. Metagross jumps to mind immediately as a good candidate, as it loves firing off Meteor Mashes and Earthquakes without the ever-annoying Zapdos in the way.</p>
[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Icicle Spear
move 2: Rock Blast
move 3: Razor Shell
move 4: Explosion
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Skill Link
nature: Adamant
evs: 20 HP / 252 Atk / 236 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>There isn't really any part of Cloyster that screams "Choice Scarf user," especially as it possesses only middling Speed and Attack stats. To see just how effective this set is, however, take a closer look at Icicle Spear. Cloyster's Skill Link Icicle Spears are essentially Ice-type Close Combats with no negative repercussions, as well as the ability to bypass Focus Sash and Yache Berry. Even though base 95 Attack might not sound too attractive on paper, that's still on par with the likes of Hitmontop. Add that to the fact that many common Pokemon take super effective or neutral damage to Ice-type attacks, and you have a really potent Pokemon on your hands!</p>

<p>Icicle Spear is the star of the show. With a Choice Scarf, Cloyster can outspeed and OHKO maximum HP Zapdos, Yache Berry Garchomp, Latios, Thunderus, Tornadus, and much more. It's absolutely hilarious to see threats such as Zapdos have their Sitrus Berry activate midway through the attack, only to have them faint after all five hits. Rock Blast provides a good source of coverage and deals massive damage to any Fire-types that stand in your way. Razor Shell will be seldom used, but it provides a nice secondary STAB attack and gets a good hit off on the troublesome Terrakion. Explosion is primarily filler, but it may come in handy once in a blue moon. You're using a Choice Scarf Cloyster anyway, so a second surprise in the form of Explosion couldn't hurt.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EV spread listed allows Cloyster to hit the magical speed of 180 with a Choice Scarf, just barely enough to outpace positive-natured base 111 Speed Pokemon. From there, the rest is invested into Attack for maximum firepower. The remaining EVs are then dumped into HP to add some bulk to Cloyster. If you want, you can choose a Naughty nature and a special attack in the 4th slot, but it probably won't be seeing much use. If you choose to run a Naughty nature, make sure to move the HP EVs into Special Attack. Prominent special options include Hidden Power Fire, Surf, Hydro Pump, Blizzard, and Ice Beam. For a few wacky hijinks, Protect is an option in the last slot. Using Protect and immediately switching out on the next turn might fool your opponent into thinking you're not using a Choice Scarf at all. Maximum Speed with a Jolly nature is also an option and allows you to outrun maximum Speed base 115 Pokemon as well as Scarf Tyranitar and Scarf Abomasnow. Be warned that the power difference is noticeable, so give it some thought first.</p>

<p>As for teammates, Cloyster can't handle multiple opponents at once, so Follow Me, Rage Powder, or Fake Out support is greatly appreciated. Not only does Hitmontop make a stellar Fake Out user, but it can lower the power of opposing Rock Slides with Intimidate or block Rock Slide, or any other spread attack, with Wide Guard, as well as smack Steel-types that resist Icicle Spear with Close Combat. Amoonguss can redirect Fighting, Grass, or Electric-type attacks aimed for Cloyster with Rage Powder, sponge Fake Outs from slower Fake Out users, and even put your opponent to sleep with Spore, giving Cloyster plenty of time to attack. Volcarona is a good choice for a Rage Powder user as it also resists the Fighting and Grass-type attacks aimed at Cloyster and outspeeds most Fake Out users, all but guaranteeing that Cloyster will be free to attack (burning Fake Out users with Volcarona's Flame Body is also hysterical). Be cautious if using Volcarona and Cloyster together, as two Pokemon weak to Rock Slide isn't the best idea. Pokemon that love having Garchomp and Zapdos out of the way love to partner up with Cloyster. Metagross jumps to mind immediately as a good candidate, as it loves firing off Meteor Mashes and Earthquakes without the ever-annoying Zapdos in the way.</p>
 
Back
Top