Celebi [SubSeed] [QC 0/3]

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[SET]
name: Sub-Seed
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Leech Seed
move 3: Baton Pass/Recover/HP Fire
move 4: Giga Drain
item: Leftovers
ability: Natural Cure
nature: Timid
evs: 252 Hp / 4 SpD/ 252 Spe


Why this set deserves to be on the site:
- Only Sub-Seeder that has Baton Pass and reliable recovery (no, Synthesis is not reliable enough).
- When threatened, can just pass to an appropriate counter while still walling the opponent to no end.
- Also, Leech Seed + Substitute can make certain sweepers more deadly.
- Recover makes Celebi almost impossible to take down.

Additional Comments:
- EVs self-explainatory
- Max Speed + Timid since you want high speed on a Sub-Seeder
- HP EVs give 404 HP, slowing its sub to take Seismic Tosses.
- Baton Pass and Recover is what sets Celebi apart from other Sub-Seeders
- Giga Drain allows recovery while attacking, while Grass Knot may be used to hit Taunters harder.


Team Options and Counters:
- Hazard is highly recommended since Celebi will be forcing the opponent out a lot. Skarmory and Forretress work great to fulfill that purpose, resisting Celebi’s Bug, Dark, and Ghost weaknesses.
- Bulky Stat-Uppers like Dragonite resist some of Celebi’s weaknesses while also abusing the Sub to the max.
-Tyranitar/Scizor are viable counters if sub is not up.
- Forretress and Ferrothorn can set-up with ease if HP Fire is not present, the former being able to spin away Leech Seed, while the latter is immune to Leech Seed altogether.
 
I Approve of this as i don't need to test it to know it's good.

I'm very surpised SubSeed Celebi is not on the site as it's fairly obvious as it's awesome at SubSeeding.

Baton Pass goes great with Smeargle using Ingrain and Vaporeon using Aqua Ring in a BP Chain (and works perfect with Mr. Mime and Soundproof for Perish Song and Roar).

HP Fire hits Bugs and other Grass Types trying to Wall Celebi's Leech Seed and Giga Drain and countering it at the same time.

HP Flying is another good option to hit Bugs and Grass Types however HP Fire is awesome when up against Ferrothorn, Scizor, and Forrestress.

If using Celebi on a BP Team with Ingrain and Aqua Ring you can also replace Leech Seed with HP Fire/Flying as that is more than enough HP plus Giga Drain.
 
I would've posted this if it weren't for my forgetfulness, but that's fine. You've pretty much covered the whole moveset. Baton Pass is the reason to use Celebi over other SubSeeders, and in addition to Subseeding, Celebi makes a decent Substitute passer that can somewhat bypass Blissey. The question left is: why? Why should you use it on any given team, when that moveslot can be occupied by another offensive / defensive Pokemon?

You should probably provide an explanation for that in the Set comments when you update this.

As for the set, I'd just scrap Recover altogether because it seems so redundant on a set with four forms of recovery. If anything, just mention Baton Pass and slash attack moves in that slot.

@wilmer007: This Celebi isn't meant to be on a dedicated Baton Pass teams, and isn't meant to attack constantly.
 
^ Yeah i know. But when i was building a dedicated BP team Celebi was one of the first pokemon worth considering but gets passed up for Espeon. But it makes a good annoying recipient in a BP team when given Baton Pass, Substitute, Giga Drain, and either HP Fire or Leech Seed as 4th move is just annoying when Celebi has been BP Max Stats.
 
Looks like the OP has been on since October 27th, so I'll be moving this. If someone else is interested in putting this up for QC, feel free to PM me and I'll consider giving it to you.
 
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