Can Tentacruel Function in Ubers?

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The reason I am considering Tentacruel is for absorbing Toxic Spikes, setting up Toxic Spikes, Rapid Spinning away Spikes and Stealth Rock, resisting Fire moves (which is important since opposing Groudon will boost all Fire moves), packing Ice Beam (take that Rayquaza), one of its weaknesses being nearly forgotten in Ubers (who uses Psychic attacks, except Attack Deoxys for Psychoo Boost?), packing useful a resistance to Water, Ice, Fighting, and an Immunity to the Poison status.

Tentacruel also helps you deal well against Leech Seeders like Celebi, because it gets hurt by Liquid Ooze.

I really enjoy using Tentacruel in OU, and feel that although Tentacruel will probably barely make the cut, if at all, it still has alot to offer (as listed above).

Do you feel Tentacruel can be used on an Uber team?

I am thinking of the following moveset:

Tentacruel: @ Focus Sash / Leftovers
252 HP, 4 Sp. Atk, 252 SpD
Calm nature (+ SpD, - Atk)

-Ice Beam
-Toxic Spikes
-Rapid Spin
-Mirror Coat/Hydro Pump


The reason for Mirror Coat is the fact that it will be the only way Tentacruel can KO opponents and works well when using Focus Sash (especially against Opponents using Calm Mind / Nasty Plot), and since Special Attacks are quite common in Ubers, it seems likely they will occur.

Hydro Pump can also be used when using Kyogre, since it'll make Hydro Pump usable for damage.

Ice Beam is for obvious reasons, as is Toxic Spikes, and Rapid Spin.

I actually wouldn't mind using this Tentacruel on a Groudon Team (the Mirror Coat version), as it can effectively function well as a Fire resist (4x resistant when Sun is up) so opposing Pokemon cannot abuse your Drought, and since Thunder's accuracy is only 50% during Sunlight, Tentacruel can actually benefit from the sun.

Additionally, Tentacruel is one of the few Water types not weak to Grass, and so a Latias with Grass Knot over Thunder will not be getting past it anytime soon, especially with a Mirror Coat.

All in all do you think Tentacruel can work well in Ubers?
 
Rapid Spin and Focus Sash don't make very much sense in a set together. If it is going to spin, it has to switch in on entry hazards, ruining its sash. I feel like the moves should be:
-Ice Beam
-Toxic Spikes
-Rapid Spin/Mirror Coat
-Hydro Pump
 
The sash is for Mirror Coat, but I see your point.

Yeah, your set makes more sense, hmm I am unsure if using Focus Sash would take away the need for the Special Defense EVs, as it could probably go into Speed.
 
I use forry for this on My ubers team and so far no complaints. It spins and is also a good last resort.
Already said before, but this is nonetheless crutial, if you plan to use it as a spinner, because in order to get rid of it, you usually have to switch it into something, ruining it's sash. Leftovers is a much better option.
Regardless, this is an EV spread you would be wise to try: 204 HP / 96 SpA / 172 SpD / 36 Spe
 
I actually wouldn't mind using this Tentacruel on a Groudon Team (the Mirror Coat version), as it can effectively function well as a Fire resist (4x resistant when Sun is up) so opposing Pokemon cannot abuse your Drought, and since Thunder's accuracy is only 50% during Sunlight, Tentacruel can actually benefit from the sun.
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...what?
how well can Tentacruel survive... alright Groudon gives a boost to Fire-Types... but... it's Groudon... it's gonna have Earthquake, one of Tentacruel's weaknesses.. you missed that... although that's just Groudon..
 
Interesting... on the beneficial side it could work well with Kyogre (since the rain would give Tentacruel comfort to use Surf nonstop) but there are a few points that make some nervous such as the constant Earthquake attacks. On top of that Thunder is spammed like hell, especially on other Kyogre teams. Still at least he can absorb Toxic Spikes with no problems.

P.S. Mirror Coat and Rapid Spin are illegal.
 
I dunno I'm kind of skeptical about this (and I generally try to give most ideas the benefit of the doubt!)

I tried to use Tentacruel once in Ubers, and I'll agree that the Focus Sash + Mirror Coat was the one most effective for me.

I actually didn't have Rapid Spin, as the only entry hazard that really bothered me in Ubers was Toxic Spikes (I never stopped physical sweepers with Lugia)

I used Focus Sash, Mirror Coat + Surf + Ice Beam + Knock Off (to be honest I'm not even sure if this was legal but I'm a Shoddy guy not a Wi-fier :P_

It definitely worked if my opponent wasn't expecting it, as I beat the Groudon / Kyogre leads every time, and only Darkrai's Dark Void really bothered me.

Still I found once people got over the initial surprise, it just wasn't worth it.
 
No i don't think its viable seeing as SR is really common and screws up your sash right there allowing tenta to be killed easily since thunder is everywhere.
 
NO.

there are better spinner to use aka forrestress. There are also better toxic spikes abuser in roserade and forrestress. All OU pokemon used in Ubers have something going for them that no other pokemon with higher stats has. Blissey is the best special wall. Heracross has the strongest Bug attack. Jirachi has well rounded defenses and excellent typing. Forretress can lay spikes and wall rayquaza and latias kinda. Tentracreul has nothing going for him other than absorbing toxic spikes and laying them.

If you are going for a mirror coat sash deoxys would be beter off doing it. That way when after it happens (or most likely gets ruined by SR) you will still have a decent pokemon.
 
Really, I played a bit of ubers, and the best TSpiker for me was starting Sash Roserade. Leaf Storm scares off starting Groudon/Kyogres, and Sash lets you get down that second layer. Sleep Powder is also fun.
 
hhjj said:
The reason I am considering Tentacruel is for absorbing Toxic Spikes, setting up Toxic Spikes, Rapid Spinning away Spikes and Stealth Rock, resisting Fire moves (which is important since opposing Groudon will boost all Fire moves), packing Ice Beam (take that Rayquaza), one of its weaknesses being nearly forgotten in Ubers (who uses Psychic attacks, except Attack Deoxys for Psychoo Boost?), packing useful a resistance to Water, Ice, Fighting, and an Immunity to the Poison status.

Tentacruel also helps you deal well against Leech Seeders like Celebi, because it gets hurt by Liquid Ooze.

I really enjoy using Tentacruel in OU, and feel that although Tentacruel will probably barely make the cut, if at all, it still has alot to offer (as listed above).

Do you feel Tentacruel can be used on an Uber team?

I am thinking of the following moveset:

Tentacruel: @ Focus Sash / Leftovers
252 HP, 4 Sp. Atk, 252 SpD
Calm nature (+ SpD, - Atk)

-Ice Beam
-Toxic Spikes
-Rapid Spin
-Mirror Coat/Hydro Pump


The reason for Mirror Coat is the fact that it will be the only way Tentacruel can KO opponents and works well when using Focus Sash (especially against Opponents using Calm Mind / Nasty Plot), and since Special Attacks are quite common in Ubers, it seems likely they will occur.

Hydro Pump can also be used when using Kyogre, since it'll make Hydro Pump usable for damage.

Ice Beam is for obvious reasons, as is Toxic Spikes, and Rapid Spin.

I actually wouldn't mind using this Tentacruel on a Groudon Team (the Mirror Coat version), as it can effectively function well as a Fire resist (4x resistant when Sun is up) so opposing Pokemon cannot abuse your Drought, and since Thunder's accuracy is only 50% during Sunlight, Tentacruel can actually benefit from the sun.

Additionally, Tentacruel is one of the few Water types not weak to Grass, and so a Latias with Grass Knot over Thunder will not be getting past it anytime soon, especially with a Mirror Coat.

All in all do you think Tentacruel can work well in Ubers?
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You should protect yourself against physical attackers by changing the nature or by only giving HP and SpD 200 Evs while the Def get the remainder and add like at least 10 more to SpA because Ice beam only has a 20% chance of freezing so best to increase the SpA since your chances of getting a Freeze status are 0.15 out of 15 shots... see very very lowso use it to your offensive advantage
 
I am talking about having Groudon on the SAME team as Tentacruel, not the opponent's Groudon, since you wouldn't be using Hydro Pump anyways.

If using on an Ubers Hail team, *such as the 1 in my Signature*, Blizzard can also be used over Ice Beam.

That's why I said
Abuse your Drought.
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Additionally Tentacruel, can come in on many common attacks: Ice Beam, Surf, Fire Blast, most of which Forretress cannot handle.

Tentacruel still packs a nice Bug and Fighting resistance, so although it cannot switch into physical moves of those types, it can usually take at least 1 hit before it goes down, plus it takes Focus Blasts/Aura Spheres very nicely.

Heck, Tentacruel can even cause Calm Minder+Taunt Mewtwo problems if Mewtwo packs Aura Sphere over Shadow Ball, same goes for the SubPuncher and Sub-Minder Mewtwo.


As for Mirror Coat not working with Rapid Spin, Haze seems like a noteworthy replacement, especially against Calm Minders, which only lures them to either switch out or attack, letting you get in a Mirror Coat.
 
mm... I'd like to point your attention to
resisting Fire moves (which is important since opposing Groudon will boost all Fire moves
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and you never fixed that other thing... I repeat..
I actually wouldn't mind using this Tentacruel on a Groudon Team (the Mirror Coat version), as it can effectively function well as a Fire resist (4x resistant when Sun is up) so opposing Pokemon cannot abuse your Drought, and since Thunder's accuracy is only 50% during Sunlight, Tentacruel can actually benefit from the sun.
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in no way does Tentacruel get an increased resistance in Sun to Fire-Type moves
You should protect yourself against physical attackers by changing the nature or by only giving HP and SpD 200 Evs while the Def get the remainder and add like at least 10 more to SpA because Ice beam only has a 20% chance of freezing so best to increase the SpA since your chances of getting a Freeze status are 0.15 out of 15 shots... see very very lowso use it to your offensive advantage
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ehhh Ice Beam has a 10% chance of Freezing, reduced to 0% in the Sun..
 
Howie82 said:
in no way does Tentacruel get an increased resistance in Sun to Fire-Type moves

ehhh Ice Beam has a 10% chance of Freezing, reduced to 0% in the Sun..
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True.

Doesn't sun actually make fire type attacks do neutral damage? iirc sun boosts their power by 1.5.
 
I've used Tentacruell a lot in Ubers some time ago in my hailstormteam

It seems good on paper but actually it's Special Defences aren't high enough to take repeated hits from the powerfull Ubers.
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n the past it performed a lot better by switching into Walls like Giratina and Blissey and then set up your spikes however those are getting a decrease in usage now so i don't think tentacruall really is that viable anymore
 
The weather does not affect the freeze chance of Ice Beam, I don't know where you got that info but it is wrong. It will always have 10% chance of Freeze, regardless of the weather in effect
 
Toothache said:
The weather does not affect the freeze chance of Ice Beam, I don't know where you got that info but it is wrong. It will always have 10% chance of Freeze, regardless of the weather in effect
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yeah, sorry I misworded that... but Wulfspade is right... what I meant was that the Sunny weather would prevent freezing...
 
Let me clear this up:

EVERYONE IS USABLE IN UBERS!!!

It's such a centralized metagame that, if you have about 20 threats covered, you can end up with a high-rating easily.
 
Hate to burst your bubble on this one but Mirror Coat and Knock Off are illegal as well. Alternatively so is Knock Off and Rapid Spin. In fact, none of these moves are even legal together in any way to those that can learn these moves. We really need some way to emphasize illegal movesets...
 
I guess Mirror Coat, Toxic Spikes, Ice Beam, Hydro Pump Tentacruel on a Kyogre team is the only plausible moveset.

Additionally for taking Special attacks from Ubers it must use the following:

252 HP/252 Sp Def/ 4 Special Attack. Calm nature


Perhaps then it could be a decent Spiker and Ko-er (Mirror Coat).
 
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