BT Forretress?

SNX7

Forretress@Light Clay
Impish
252 HP, xx Defense/Spdef
-Light Screen
-Reflect
-Stealth Rock
-Explosion

Set up Light Screen/Reflect, then Stealth Rock. If you have enough HP left, go for Light Screen/Reflect (whatever you didn't do) then Explode. In theory, this would stop Focus Sashers, and give your sweepers an easier time setting up, as they'll take 1/2 damage. I'm still working on the EV spread. Yay or Nay to this?
 
I've already tried a Forretress on Wi-Fi and it doesn't work. The lack of a Rock/Ground resistance and no Rock/Ice move to deal with Gyarados/Mence/Chomp make it outclassed by Donphan/Hippowdon.

A low HP coupled with a crappy Sp.Def doesn't help either.
 
The BT is 3v3 so setting up things like SR isn't too great and a big waste of time imo. Sure having a CMer/Bulk Uper is OK, but when you get into stalling and wasting lots of turns on stuff like this, sorta not my thing.
 
Forretress is so outclassed by Bronzong. The only point to use Forretress over it is Rapid Spin (or spikes lol).
 
Forretress appears to have a niche as a physical wall compared to Bronzong. While Bronzong has 100+ base defense on physical and special.... Forretress has 140 base defense (compared to 116) and higher HP than Bronzong.

Both only have one weakness. Forretress is 4x weak to fire. Bronzong is either 2x weak to fire, or 2x weak to ground. (Levitate vs Heat-Proof are its abilities)

Forretress also learns explosion for those who wish to save TMs, while Bronzong needs to be taught explosion. Bronzong is slower and thus has a better Gyro Ball... but it isn't that much slower than Forretress.

And as you mentioned, Forretress has both spikes and rapid spin, along with the egg move toxic spikes.

While we're on the topic of physical walls with few weaknesses, Weezing can not be forgotten, with 120 base defense and only a single 2x weakness: Psychic. It also has the highest special attack of everyone... and a decent STAB attack to go with it: Sludge Bomb. And what do you know... it explodes too!

So thats 3 different pokemon for 3 different needs. Bronzong has the highest special defense while still having over 100 base defense. Forretress has the highest defense and HP but a 4x fire weakness. Weezing has the best special attack and speed, still high physical defenses and only a 2x weak to Psychic but the lowest HP. I can certainly see their roles as similar... but they belong on different teams. They are different enough that you cannot say X outclasses Y.
 
Bronzong would be good for this job to, but Explosion is such a bitch to get, which is why I suggested Forretress. If you have a good Bronzong you want to use this set on, it would most likely be better than Forrestress.

@Massi4h: Stealth Rock to to ruin Focus Sasher's that are really annoying in BT.
 
I use Forretress. He is under rated. You all act like he is useless, but Rapid Spinning is helpful in D/P, and he can still take hits on the physical side well. Gyarados DD Waterfall is a 3HKO on mine. Forretress can also attack decently if you want him too, Gyro Ball, EQ are options. Explosion is always nice and Spikes/Stealth Rock as well. He can also survive a physical fire move, as I learned, though I forgot if it was STABbed or not(it was Fire Punch).

Forretress turned my team from mediocre to a team on a 16 battle win streak(29 if you count the worthless opponents). I think too many people are underestimating his potential in D/P.
 
Ness said:
I use Forretress. He is under rated. You all act like he is useless, but Rapid Spinning is helpful in D/P, and he can still take hits on the physical side well. Gyarados DD Waterfall is a 3HKO on mine. Forretress can also attack decently if you want him too, Gyro Ball, EQ are options. Explosion is always nice and Spikes/Stealth Rock as well. He can also survive a physical fire move, as I learned, though I forgot if it was STABbed or not(it was Fire Punch).

Forretress turned my team from mediocre to a team on a 16 battle win streak(29 if you count the worthless opponents). I think too many people are underestimating his potential in D/P.
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Heh. Just about every decent pokemon is being underestimated right now. There was another thread where someone said Lucario and Gallade sucked... my RL friends still think Aerodactyl sucks... Roserade is not getting the mentions it deserves and there are some war stories up with a Guts+facade+flame orb Swellow doing a few late-game sweeps.
 
That does only apply to double battles. Also this Forretress is suggested for BT not wi-fi. This set looks like it would work fine for BT. Focus Sashers in the BT are quite annoying.
 
I don't think Stealth Rock/Spikes/etc. is really useful in 3 v 3. Yes, it kills Focus Sashers, but so does Sanstream/Fake Out/Knock Off, which have the respective benefits of not taking up an attack slot, dealing decent damage to low defense Pokemon like Alakazam, and being able to get rid of annoying hax items. Stealth Rock has its own benefits as well, one being that you only need to use it once to disable a Focus Sasher, but it's not as an effective technique IMHO.

For one, to use it to its fullest extent, you will have to take up another moveslot on another Pokemon for Roar/Whirlwind, and chances are, the opponent is going to have something that can deal decent damage over time to your pseudohazer of choice, even if the p-hazer has a recovery move. Not to mention that a Roar lets an opponent receive a free Double Team in some cases, maybe more if Roar misses.

If you're not going to go with that route, and you're just really scared of Focus Sash, then I'd use Fake Out on another Pokemon and replace Stealth Rock with Gyro Ball to hit Ghosts who have Focus Sash. If you're scared about Fake Out missing, I'd use Sandstream; you're guaranteed to have two immunities on your team anyway. Maybe it's just me, but I feel that Stealth Rock isn't as great a technique in 3 v 3 as it is in 6 v 6. Stealth Rock does its job pretty well in getting rid of the Focus Sash, but it just really seems like a waste of a moveslot.

I'd put another move over it on the set, perhaps something to hit Ghosts/Steels/Rocks who resist/are immune to Explosion. Gyro Ball would kill things like Gengar, as stated above, along with Rock Types Zap Cannon hits Skarmory (and the occasional Damp Golduck), and Earthquake gets rid of the trapping Magnezone and Heatran, though you shouldn't really try your luck with the latter. Just my two cents.
 
I got the idea from Team Rocket Elite, who tried using sandstorm to ruin Focus Sashers, except that it actually helped Focus Sash Garchomp and any rock types/Sand Veil pokemon he came up against. Bronzong would probably be much better for this set, I don't know why I didn't think of him before.
 
I have a good idea for forretress.

FORRETRESS w/leftovers or shed shell
(not sure on ev's) careful

stealth rock
spikes
toxic spikes
explosion


Spike the field, then explode.
 
Deoxys11 said:
I have a good idea for forretress.

FORRETRESS w/leftovers or shed shell
(not sure on ev's) careful

stealth rock
spikes
toxic spikes
explosion


Spike the field, then explode.
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And die along the way!

That idea has been tossed around a ton, and IIRC, it was decided that you are not going to live 3 Turns for spikes, 2 Turns for Toxic Spikes, One Turn for Stealth Rock, and then another before exploding.
 
I use a battle tower forretress. Pretty much the only reason I use him is because I am deathly afraid of OHKO's and focus sash. The set that I run is

Forretress@life orb
-relaxed
Gyro Ball
Earthquake
Stealth Rock
Explosion

Basically I set up SR and explode unless the opponents poke is really fast or resists explosion. I think Life orb lets Forretress OHKO Cresselia with explosion. So far it has done a good job of de-haxing the Battle tower AI.
 
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