Breeding 30 and 31 IVs.

Zanda

Keeping 31 IV pokes is obvious, but what about 30s?

I suppose that's all I need help with.

But what do you guys do?
Do you can the 30s and go for 31s - as you have the same chance of passing on a 30 as passing a 31, or do you keep them and use them?

Thanks for any help ^_^
 
It depends just how important the 31 is.

For example, if I'm going for a 31 IV in speed, especially on a frailer sweeper, going second because of a 30 IV just doesn't cut it.

That said, a 30 IV in other stats is acceptable so long as the Pokemon can still achieve it's purpose (or has other stats that are equally as outstanding.)

Obviously, it's optimal to attempt to pass a 31 IV if possible, the exception to which is when you need the said 30 IV for a specific Hidden Power.
 
well,i think that 30 is very good,but some times,you must have 31 speed to hit the magic numbers,or have 31 in HP to create a 101 sub,but having 30 in atk,def,satk and sdef is very good =D
 
Every IV is just as hard to pass down as every other. Why pass down a 30 when you can have a 31? The only 30 IVs you should try to pass down are for Hidden Power.
 
Always go for the highest possible unless it's not possible due to the needed HP, sometimes you'll get something that is too good to pass on that you might decide to keep, like I did with my Togekiss.
 
Oftentimes, the 31 just isn't worth the effort, when you have a 30 waiting to be passed. For example, I'll be getting a Jolly Ditto with 31 speed, and 30 attack soon, why should I waste this opportunity that the Jolly Ditto gives me? One point makes very little difference. With the time I would've spent getting one point of attack, I could've bred more Pokes, maximizing my chances of getting awesome defenses.

The exception to this is speed, where every point matters.
 
The difference in stats between level 100 30 and 31 IVs is literally one point. On HP and Speed, these points can be vital (taking Subs/STs into account for HP and magic numbers for Speed), but a 27 Attack and 31 Attack IV have negligible differences. 27 is kind of a "minimal max" though.

Definitley go for as high IVs as possible, but don't split hairs, especially when you get to quad-flawless levels.
 
Anti said:
Every IV is just as hard to pass down as every other. Why pass down a 30 when you can have a 31? The only 30 IVs you should try to pass down are for Hidden Power.
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Agreed. However, there are certain exceptions. For instance, I hatched this Skorupi yesterday:

31/ 30/ 30/ 1/ 31/ 31

The two 30s were randomly generated. Obviously I'm not going to trash this because I was going for 31s. I guess my philosophy is that the only 31s that really matter are in HP (for subs) and Speed (for frail sweepers). Not counting for Hidden Power of course.
 
Cooper said:
Agreed. However, there are certain exceptions. For instance, I hatched this Skorupi yesterday:

31/ 30/ 30/ 1/ 31/ 31

The two 30s were randomly generated.
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this is a perfect example of when 30 ivs are considered totally fine. i think in most scenarios you will have started breeding with parents that have 31 in the stats you need for that poke (unless a hidden power is required). however results like this are total keepers. the difference between 30 and 31 is very small, and the difference can be made up by simply shifting a few evs around when training the poke.
 
i always breed for 31 iv in everying, but i can deal with 30 as an iv in every stat except for speed.

31 is just so critical with speed, or 0 if you a trick room kinda player
 
It kind of pisses me off that some hidden powers require 30 spd. T-T

Hidden Power Fighting and Fire in particular have some pokes who really want the 31 (P-Z, Espeon, Sceptile) . . .

but yeah, 30s are most valuable as passables for ensuring hidden powers. If you're going for 31 speed HP Ice, 31 DEF just screws you.
 
Yeah, generally I go for 31's where it counts, but sometimes you just get something too good to give up with 30's. My new 31/30/31/x/30/31 double punching Ralts is a prime example, because even though I wanted 31 Attack, a 30 IV is still well worth it.
 
If I have a physical or special sweeper, I always go for a 31 in speed and the respective attack. 30 doesn't cut it in me. Having that full iv gives me the satisfaction of knowing that I've delivered the maximum amount of damage I can. With some pokemon that don't have any defense (Jolteon, Aerodactyl), you'll only get one chance to make your attack count cause if you don't KO your opponent, you die. The same thing with speed. The quicker one walks away the victor.

It's almost like a cowboy showdown. The one with the quickest and strongest draw lives to fight another day. And considering that it is fairly easy to get a max iv in speed and one of the 2 attacks, I don't mind investing time to get that. It's actually somewhat enjoyable to me to breed for those stats, cause sometimes I get bonuses that I didn't work for (like those generated ivs).
 
my sandslash has 30 in attack and it works great
actually the parents both had 31 in attack... but they passed speed, defense and the high special defense instead of attack
 
On pokes that are relatively loosey-goosey with IV restrictions for speed (such as Weavile, who doesn't need max speed, having less than 31 is ok as long as it can outrun the same pokemon a max speed Weavile can outrun. For example, a 21 IV in speed is acceptable for Weavile (though not particularly good) because it can still hit 373 speed, but a 20 IV in speed won't work, because it at best ties speed with base 120 pokemon.
 
sarunibi said:
If I have a physical or special sweeper, I always go for a 31 in speed and the respective attack. 30 doesn't cut it in me. Having that full iv gives me the satisfaction of knowing that I've delivered the maximum amount of damage I can. With some pokemon that don't have any defense (Jolteon, Aerodactyl), you'll only get one chance to make your attack count cause if you don't KO your opponent, you die. The same thing with speed. The quicker one walks away the victor.
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Hey . . . don't insult Jolteon's defenses . . . it's sp. DEF is decent, and my 31HP/30DEF jolt just survived Metagross' Earthquake in a doubles battle.:naughty:

yay for great IVs :P
 
Madcat said:
On pokes that are relatively loosey-goosey with IV restrictions for speed (such as Weavile, who doesn't need max speed, having less than 31 is ok as long as it can outrun the same pokemon a max speed Weavile can outrun. For example, a 21 IV in speed is acceptable for Weavile (though not particularly good) because it can still hit 373 speed, but a 20 IV in speed won't work, because it at best ties speed with base 120 pokemon.
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But the problem with 21 IVs in that example is that you're forced to redirect EVs from other stats to bump up the Speed to that 373 magic number. That's why magic number stats always should have flawless IVs.
 
Little Green Yoda said:
But the problem with 21 IVs in that example is that you're forced to redirect EVs from other stats to bump up the Speed to that 373 magic number. That's why magic number stats always should have flawless IVs.
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That's a very good point. I think we'll all be more motivated to breed for flawless IVs if we remember that 1 IV point = 10 EV points at Lv. 100.
 
i would aim for 31 but if you only get 30 but everything else good leave it...

however it does depend which pokemon
e.g speed ivs in most lead pokes are necessary As you could be fighting the same leads, and 1 speed iv could be the difference between being koed and ko'ing them
 
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