Battle Bond Greninja [QC 0/2]

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[SET]
name: Battle Bond
move 1: Hydro Pump / Surf
move 2: Dark Pulse
move 3: Water Shuriken
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Life Orb
tera type: Water
ability: Battle Bond
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe


[SET COMMENTS]
Thanks to its good Speed and its decent Special Attack, along strong STABs and a great ability that gives it free boosts in Attack, Special Attack, and Speed only once after a kill, Battle Bond Greninja is a very good cleaner and late game sweeper. Surf can be chosen over Hydro Pump for more accuracy, although the loss of power will miss the OHKO on Bulky Volcarona and the 2HKO on Corviknight, Clefable, and Gouging Fire. Water Shuriken gives Greninja a great priority, while Ice Beam completes its moveset, hitting super effectively Roaring Moon and Meowscarada, which resists both of Greninja’s STABs, as well as Dragonite, which can easily tank Dark Pulse thanks to Multiscale. Tera Water reinforces Greninja’s Water-type moves, ensuring the OHKO on weakened Cinderace and, after one layer of Spikes, on Great Tusk, Iron Treads, Garganacl, and Glimmora with Water Shuriken and Darkrai with Surf or Hydro Pump, as well as the 2HKO on Ting-Lu and on the aforementioned OHKO and 2HKO with Surf, which Greninja would miss otherwise.

Battle Bond Greninja works best in offensive teams. With Kingambit, which is a staple on these teams, or even Roaring Moon, it can form a great Dark-type spam core, putting pressure on their counters in order to take them down long term. Iron Valiant can weaken Pokemon so as to get them revenge killed by Greninja, which can therefore gain the Battle Bond boost, whereas Gholdengo appreciates Greninja's ability to possibly threaten Volcarona, Iron Moth, and Roaring Moon. Kingambit, Gouging Fire, and Raging Bolt may also benefit from Greninja’s presence, as it can threaten Ground-types like Great Tusk, Landorus-T, and Gliscor and Pokemon with Ground-type coverage like Roaring Moon, Dragonite, Glimmora, and Heatran for them. Due to the Life Orb recoil and its low bulk, Greninja can be easily revenge killed by faster Pokemon or priority moves, despite its own priority. Therefore, Zamazenta and Iron Valiant are both great teammates for Greninja. The former checks Rillaboom, Dragonite, and Meowscarada, while the latter can threaten Dragapult, Darkrai, and Zamazenta. In return, Greninja can deal with Gholdengo and Skeledirge on the one hand, and with Volcarona and Gholdengo on the other hand. Dragonite and Volcarona are good partners too, threatening Rillaboom, Raging Bolt, Iron Valiant, and Darkrai, while Greninja beats Skeledirge, Roaring Moon, and Clodsire for the latter. Moreover, Iron Boulder's presence may be beneficial for Greninja, as it can take down Roaring Moon, Iron Valiant, Galarian Slowking, and Volcarona. Finally, entry hazards can help Greninja to sweep late game, so entry hazards setters like Great Tusk, Iron Treads, and Glimmora are good teammates.


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[SET]
name: Battle Bond
move 1: Hydro Pump / Surf
move 2: Dark Pulse
move 3: Water Shuriken
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Life Orb
tera type: Water
ability: Battle Bond
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe


[SET COMMENTS]
Thanks to its good Speed and its decent Special Attack, along strong STABs and a great ability that gives it free boosts what boosts? ie free quiver dance, also mention it's only once after a kill, Battle Bond Greninja is a very good cleaner and late game sweeper. Surf can be chosen over Hydro Pump for more accuracy, although the loss of power will miss the OHKO on Bulky Pyrax Volcarona french name why? and the 2HKO on Corviknight, Clefable, and Bulky and Choice Band Gouging Fire. Water Shuriken gives Greninja a great priority, while Ice Beam completes its moveset, hitting super effectively Roaring Moon and Meowscarada mention dnite, which tanks dpulse with multiscale which resists both of Greninja’s STABs. Tera Water reinforces Greninja’s Water-type moves does this allow it to hit any damage thresholds (ohkos/2hkos/3hkos that it would otherwise miss), while Life Orb further boosts Greninja’s power. do you need to mention what life orb does? if you do, maybe list some relevant calcs it hits?

Battle Bond Greninja works best in offensive teams. It can beat Garganacl, Gholdengo, and Ting-Lu for Dragapult does pult help greninja?, as well as Volcarona, Iron Moth and Roaring Moon greninja cannot comfortably switch in and beat any of these mons, can it really "beat" them? and rmoon wins the 1v1 for Gholdengo. Galarian Slowking gking isn't that good of a partner, maybe find another example? and Raging Bolt may also benefit from Greninja’s presence, as it can threaten Ground-types like? and Pokemon with Ground-type coverage like Roaring Moon and Iron Boulder boulder outspeeds + ohkos with cc, and it's not that meta relevant either, maybe find another example? You could also try mentioning boulder as an example of a good teammate, but it should be low priority. Due to the Life Orb recoil and its low bulk, Greninja can be easily revenge killed by faster Pokemon or priority moves, despite its own priority. Therefore, Zamazenta and Iron Valiant are both great teammates for Greninja. The former checks Rillaboom, Dragonite, and Meowscarada, while the latter can threaten Dragapult, Darkrai, and Zamazenta. In return, Greninja can deal with Gholdengo and Skeledirge on the one hand, and with Volcarona, Gholdengo, and Iron Boulder same comment about iron boulder from above on the other hand. Dragonite and Volcarona are good partners too, threatening Rillaboom, Raging Bolt, Iron Valiant, and Darkrai, while Greninja beats Skeledirge, Roaring Moon, and Clodsire for the latter. Entry hazards can help Greninja to sweep late game, so entry hazards setters like Skarmory do you see skarmory on the same teams as greninja? why not tusk/treads, Dinglu Ting-Lu im not a fan of this mention either, and it should at least be after Glimmora, and Glimmora are good teammates. Skarmory notably synergizes well with Greninja, as it can check Rillaboom and Meowscarada. see comment above
Maybe mention Gambit as a teammate, since they can wear down dark checks together + gambit is a staple on offensive teams, or Roaring Moon, or even Val which can open up mons to get RK by Greninja for a bb boost


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Trial QC, approved by kd458 and Dreadfury, would like to get a recheck before stamping
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[SET]
name: Battle Bond
move 1: Hydro Pump / Surf
move 2: Dark Pulse
move 3: Water Shuriken
move 4: Ice Beam
item: Life Orb
tera type: Water
ability: Battle Bond
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe


[SET COMMENTS]
Thanks to its good Speed and its decent Special Attack, along strong STABs and a great ability that gives it free boosts what boosts? ie free quiver dance, also mention it's only once after a kill, Battle Bond Greninja is a very good cleaner and late game sweeper. Surf can be chosen over Hydro Pump for more accuracy, although the loss of power will miss the OHKO on Bulky Pyrax Volcarona french name why? and the 2HKO on Corviknight, Clefable, and Bulky and Choice Band Gouging Fire. Water Shuriken gives Greninja a great priority, while Ice Beam completes its moveset, hitting super effectively Roaring Moon and Meowscarada mention dnite, which tanks dpulse with multiscale which resists both of Greninja’s STABs. Tera Water reinforces Greninja’s Water-type moves does this allow it to hit any damage thresholds (ohkos/2hkos/3hkos that it would otherwise miss), while Life Orb further boosts Greninja’s power. do you need to mention what life orb does? if you do, maybe list some relevant calcs it hits?

Battle Bond Greninja works best in offensive teams. It can beat Garganacl, Gholdengo, and Ting-Lu for Dragapult does pult help greninja?, as well as Volcarona, Iron Moth and Roaring Moon greninja cannot comfortably switch in and beat any of these mons, can it really "beat" them? and rmoon wins the 1v1 for Gholdengo. Galarian Slowking gking isn't that good of a partner, maybe find another example? and Raging Bolt may also benefit from Greninja’s presence, as it can threaten Ground-types like? and Pokemon with Ground-type coverage like Roaring Moon and Iron Boulder boulder outspeeds + ohkos with cc, and it's not that meta relevant either, maybe find another example? You could also try mentioning boulder as an example of a good teammate, but it should be low priority. Due to the Life Orb recoil and its low bulk, Greninja can be easily revenge killed by faster Pokemon or priority moves, despite its own priority. Therefore, Zamazenta and Iron Valiant are both great teammates for Greninja. The former checks Rillaboom, Dragonite, and Meowscarada, while the latter can threaten Dragapult, Darkrai, and Zamazenta. In return, Greninja can deal with Gholdengo and Skeledirge on the one hand, and with Volcarona, Gholdengo, and Iron Boulder same comment about iron boulder from above on the other hand. Dragonite and Volcarona are good partners too, threatening Rillaboom, Raging Bolt, Iron Valiant, and Darkrai, while Greninja beats Skeledirge, Roaring Moon, and Clodsire for the latter. Entry hazards can help Greninja to sweep late game, so entry hazards setters like Skarmory do you see skarmory on the same teams as greninja? why not tusk/treads, Dinglu Ting-Lu im not a fan of this mention either, and it should at least be after Glimmora, and Glimmora are good teammates. Skarmory notably synergizes well with Greninja, as it can check Rillaboom and Meowscarada. see comment above
Maybe mention Gambit as a teammate, since they can wear down dark checks together + gambit is a staple on offensive teams, or Roaring Moon, or even Val which can open up mons to get RK by Greninja for a bb boost


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Thank you!!

Sorry for the french names, I'm originally french and accidentally wrote the wrong names...

I just have a few questions about your check:

does pult help greninja?
Is this a rhetoric question or a real question? If it's the latter, I don't know.


greninja cannot comfortably switch in and beat any of these mons, can it really "beat" them? and rmoon wins the 1v1
Should I just remove this part then?


Maybe mention Gambit as a teammate, since they can wear down dark checks together + gambit is a staple on offensive teams, or Roaring Moon, or even Val which can open up mons to get RK by Greninja for a bb boost
Where in the paragraph should I add this part?
 
Thank you!!

Sorry for the french names, I'm originally french and accidentally wrote the wrong names...

I just have a few questions about your check:


Is this a rhetoric question or a real question? If it's the latter, I don't know.



Should I just remove this part then?



Where in the paragraph should I add this part?
It was more rhetorical, you don't see pult often on the same teams as Greninja

You can try to find other examples, or reword it to remove "it beats these mons" and phrase it some other way

You can put them near the top, since imo they benefit more from greninja more than covering for weaknesses Greninja has
 
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