Pokémon Alomomola

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Pokedex Number: 594
Base stats: 165/75/80/40/45/65 470 BST
Abilities: Healer, Hydration
Hidden ability: Regenerator (!!)

Notable moves:
  • Aqua Jet
  • Knock Off
  • Light Screen
  • Magic Coat
  • Mirror Coat
  • Protect
  • Toxic
  • Waterfall
  • Wish

General Overview:
More than just a pimped out Luvdisc, Alomomola is a monster of a tank. While Alomomola did not receive any direct buffs this generation, the rise of Charizard X, Talonflame, Azumarill, and Aegislash let this fat fish resurface in the OU metagame. With 165/75 physical defense along with one of the best physically defensive typings, "underrated" barely begins to even do it justice. It is able to take physical hits just as well as Skarmory or Ferro without a fire weakness so crippling in the XY metagame. Regenerator makes it a great pivot and switch-in to any attack and being one of the only physical tanks with Wish gives it utility over many of his competitors.

Potential Sets:

Physical tank
Alomomola @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 Def / 252 HP / 4 Atk
Impish / Bold Nature
- Waterfall / Knock Off / Scald
- Toxic
- Wish
- Protect

Good typing, good stats - Trolomomola is a behemoth of a wall and its amazing ability, Regenerator, just makes it that much more difficult to get rid of. Just as sturdy as Skarmory without the Charizard X/Talonflame-phobia or Donphan without the Water/Ice weakness. The annoying yet classic Toxic/Protect/Wish lets it stall out most physical sweepers. Waterfall is a nice STAB option that puts the hurt into frail sweepers, whereas Knock Off is a universally good option to punish switch-ins. Scald is also a staple attack for bulky waters to spread status and is often times worth it, despite utilizing his weaker attack stat. Lastly, he passes gargantuan Wishes with that sweet base 165 HP.

Mixed tank
Alomomola @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Toxic
- Mirror Coat
- Wish
- Protect
Coming from Branflakes' OU team which puts a very smart spin on Mola, this set functions are more of a mixed tank with situationally higher offensive potential. Tank almost any attack (it can live any Volt Switch in the game) and hit back with a deadly Mirror Coat, and Regenerator heals off some of the damage. Retains its utility as a great Wish passer.

Checks and counters:
Set-up fodder for Steel sweepers - Bisharp, Scizor, Mawile. Weak to Volt Switch. Guts Conkeldurr is also a tough nut to crack for Mola. Can't learn Stealth Rock as opposed to most other physical tanks. Taunt also screws it over pretty hard.

Other Options:
A specially defensive set with Mirror Coat is surprisingly powerful - one of the few pokemon that check Aegisslash really well.

Conclusion:
Optimal typing, Regenerator, and Wish give Mola a partial leg up on other physical walls. Look no further for a deadstop counter to Zard X and Talonflame.
 
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Don't close this please. Alomomola actually has a decent niche in the metagme, thanks to its combination of Wish and Regerator, making it the only Pokemon that can heal itself and heal another Pokemon at the same time. I'm sure many of you have seen Branflakes' RMT showcasing Mirror Coat Alomomola, I tried it, and it is brilliant. Taking about 75% from a super effective Electric-type STAB move and OHKOing back with Mirror Coat is simply wonderful. Alomomola can also stall well with Toxic, Wish, and Protect, and is really an excellent team player. You should definitely try it before discounting it, it is an interesting Pokemon that functions reasonably well in the metagame.
 
TRC. said:
Don't close this please. Alomomola actually has a decent niche in the metagme, thanks to its combination of Wish and Regerator, making it the only Pokemon that can heal itself and heal another Pokemon at the same time. I'm sure many of you have seen Branflakes' RMT showcasing Mirror Coat Alomomola, I tried it, and it is brilliant. Taking about 75% from a super effective Electric-type STAB move and OHKOing back with Mirror Coat is simply wonderful. Alomomola can also stall well with Toxic, Wish, and Protect, and is really an excellent team player. You should definitely try it before discounting it, it is an interesting Pokemon that functions reasonably well in the metagame.
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Thank you for articulating a lot of what I tried to say better than my fried ass post-midterm brain could convey.

But yes, Mola definitely faces stiff competition from Vaporeon - some little things that set it apart are higher physical bulk, Mirror Coat, and Knock Off. Suicune is more of a bulky attacker whereas Mola is a cleric tank...and Slowbro (while good) has that crippling psychic weakness that leaves it open to stuff like Aegislash and Knock Off to which Mola deals with quite well.
 
bobbyvaporeon said:
Why use it over the infinite amount of other Water types such as Slowbro, Suicune, or Vaporeon?

It's huge setup bait, pitiful attack and special defense, is completely outclassed by Vaporeon as a wish passer... What exactly would you use it for?
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Alomolola is a team supporter. Slowbro and Suicune are not.

Vaporeon doesn't surpass it as a Wish passer. Alomomola has more HP = bigger Wishes. Also, 165 HP with 45 SpDefense is no worse than Vaporeon's 130 HP, 60 Defense. It also has a better ability and Knock Off. So yeah, plenty of reason to use it.
 
Alomomola has - in my opinion - always been very underestimated. I got 2 OU teams with 1800+ points using it. But I use two things not mentioned here until now:

1) Scald - to be a great physical tank, the chance to burn instead of a weak waterfall is much appreciated. Also it is great to burn potential counters like Ferrothorn or Venusaur before you switch. So for me only Knock off or Scald matter as attacks.

2) Don't invest into 252 HP-EVs! It is so much better to have 252 sDef-EVs in addition to be a complete tank and get a lot more chances to toxic someone, who doesn't expect it. Especially because of the low sDef an EV-investment is very useful and gives 189 instead of 126 sDef. Actually you lose 13% physical defense against winning 33% special defense. Thx to regenerator you can still come back after heavy attacks, what can be very hard for Vaporeon and you still got 20% more physical defense then Vappy. And you got even more special defense then 4 sDef Slowbro by only having 3% less physical defense!

Just a few samples how extremely useful numbers you get with 252 sDef-EV investment:

252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Solar Beam vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Alomomola: 380-448 (80.6 - 95.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery >> e.g. Toxic then switch
252 SpA Choice Specs Latios Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Alomomola: 397-468 (84.2 - 99.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery >> you are able to "out-wish" it 1-vs-1
252 SpA Alakazam Psychic vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Alomomola: 189-223 (40.1 - 47.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery >> you are able to use 2 knock off instead of 1!
4 SpA Rotom-W Volt Switch vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Alomomola: 198-234 (42 - 49.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery >> with wish you are back 100% after the volt switch and protect

So rethink your idea of the "oh-it's-so-weak to special attack" Alomomola and give it a chance.
 
REXinator, I think the investment in HP is probably for passing down a better Wish onto its teammates, which is what I think is the role of the set. But other than that, you're correct, there is no reason to invest in HP (can't quote because of crappy phone).

On a side note, isn't Scald a staple on bulky waters? I know Alomomola would benefit from the burn to live longer. And since Alomomola's secondary purpose is to spread status around, Scald would be more suited for it instead of Waterfall. Since either attacks won't be doing much either way.
 
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Scald over Waterfall and Knock Off for sure. Well, at least over Waterfall because the burn chance is awesome and necessary.

Knock Off does so little damage that it's probably not worth it (there are better knock off users, and unlike, say, Tentacruel, I don't Almomola can actually justify running Knock Off over Scald).
 
finncent1 said:
I feel like Branflakes325's set definitely deserves to be in the OP. It's a nuisance, and with a huge HP and low Sp. Def, it's a beautiful Mirror Coat user. Plus, Regenerator wish is a huge niche for Stall + Defesnive teams:

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Alomomola @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Toxic
- Mirror Coat
- Wish
- Protect
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The set can be completely shut down by any Taunt user. And isn't relying only on Mirror Coat for attacking sort of...bad?
 
finncent1 said:
Not every Pokemon needs to be offensive. It's a defensive set that's used to recover the health of its teammates. Also, it relies on toxic for damage, not Mirror Coat. Mirror coat is used to eliminate special attackers who dare to attack it from the game.
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Then it needs Scald instead of Mirror Coat. By the looks of the EV spread, it looks like it's mainly to spam Mirror Coat on special attackers. The lack of EVs in Defense will hurt, so Scald's burning would help more than Mirror Coat.
 
I think a Calm Mind set could be mentioned as well. Call it, CroMola or..TerraMola. Anyways having great physical bulk I think it can be a good Calm Mind set up just like Suicune. Alomomola also has a better ability (Regenerator) than Suicune just in-case something forces it out.

Alomomola @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
252 HP / 252 Defense / 4 SDef
Bold Nature
- Calm Mind
- Scald
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

I have had quite some success with this set as people doesn't expect it. I know this may not be the best set but it is pretty good.
 
When I noticed how Mandibuzz spiked in usage this generation, I looked at Alomomola and I realized that it has a great ability, great offensive/defensive typing, great stats all-around AND great supportive movepool, and I wondered why it wasn't used more.. I didn't find an answer yet. 165/80/45 defenses are pretty damn solid in my books, with good supporting options like Wish and Scald.

Hell, I bet it could even utilize Assault Vest well, but I don't think it should do that since Wish is a pretty big part of her.
 
Great discussion so far - good to know that I'm not the only one who thinks Mola is a great pokemon and that I'm not crazy.

I slashed in Scald for the first set and added the Branflakes set - recently tried it and it is a weirdly effective set.

As for no HP investment, I believe Mola's health pool is too high to give up in regards to Wish passing.
 
A Terrakion said:
I think a Calm Mind set could be mentioned as well. Call it, CroMola or..TerraMola. Anyways having great physical bulk I think it can be a good Calm Mind set up just like Suicune. Alomomola also has a better ability (Regenerator) than Suicune just in-case something forces it out.

Alomomola @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
252 HP / 252 Defense / 4 SDef
Bold Nature
- Calm Mind
- Scald
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

I have had quite some success with this set as people doesn't expect it. I know this may not be the best set but it is pretty good.
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Unlike Suicune, Alomomola has good recovery options other than Rest and unlike Alomomola, Suicune has workable Special Attack.
 
Just from running across the sets ingame, I can say that this thing is a total nuisance when it's on your level. I think the neat thing about all these bulky waters is that they each have their own thing to contribute to a team. Vaporeon may have wish, acid armor, and even baton pass, but he has no instant recovery on his own merits. Slowbro has that weakness to Knock off and the like, and Gastrodon is annihilated by grass. I really don't think any of them outclass each other, but they all have their own little "gimmicks" (for lack of a better term) to contribute.

I really like it to be honest. The amount of choices and variety is pretty great IMO.
 
The only real downfall moly has, is taunt. She is completely shutdown and unlike mandibuzz's foul play, mirror coat is very unreliable.
 
Can't wait till someone tries to post an assault vest set, lol.

But it does get light screen which could help patch up it's low
sp defense if you get one off.

Alomomola @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 Spdef
Impish / Bold / Calm / Careful
- Knock Off / Scald
- Wish
- Mirror Coat / Safeguard
- Light Screen

A more supportive pivot role that can be used to lessen your teams weaknesses. Have a problem with physical attacks, you have natural bulk and scald. Special attacks, you got light screen. Status has safeguard and mirror coat. And although it's hp isn't invested in, it's still quite useful as a possible wish passer.

I've yet to do any damage calcs on her, but it seems like it could serve somewhat as a supportive jack of all trades.

Edit: I think I did poorly with the evs on this thing. I don't know what I was thinking.
 
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VanGru said:
The only real downfall moly has, is taunt. She is completely shutdown and unlike mandibuzz's foul play, mirror coat is very unreliable.
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Plenty of walls are shut down by Taunt, like Skarmory (Brave Bird doesn't hurt everything) and Chansey. But even then because of Regenerator can still effectively recover health just from switching out. Wish coupled with Regenerator able to heal two pokes at once sounds amazing, and teh ability to Mirror Coat against Volt Switches and outright kill the switch in sounds hilarious.

Some other interesting moves I saw it gets are Icy Wind and Tickle. These would both be very good at easing prediction and giving you more Wish opportunities without worrying about set up. And if you're concerned about Steel types she even has Soak to change everything to a Water type, which means there is nothing she can't Toxic. It might be worth a spot over Mirror Coat honestly.

But tell me, what happens if you use Soak on say, a Heatran, then Toxic it, and it switches out then comes back in, will is still take poison damage?
 
Poison status does indeed stay on a steel type, or at least it did in the past generations. Same way how a non-poison/steel type evolving into a steel/poison type keeps it's status.

Don't know if this remains true for X/Y though but I would assume so.
 
I really think Brian's set may be the best set simply because the two attacks (Mirror special, scald physical) is about as best as one can do to make sure it is dangerous to all switches in. But just thinking about it, the little amount of threat it can provide due to lack of offensive pressure makes it performing a half cleric duty really difficult. I'd be interested to see someone show another effective set, as I know it has a possibility of being effective with a heal bell user (to complete a cleric circle) but when you look at a half-cleric, you'd expect it to do something else other than sit around and cry over a semi-disappointing move pool.

Not saying it's bad... I think that outside of Brian's and perhaps a cleric set (Which I'm still sure Vaporeon does better), you'd just use something else. While Vaporeon doesn't pass wishes as well, it can roar and stop set up sweeps, as well as having heal bell access if needed and a better special attack for scald.
 
You shouldnt use anything but scald as your STAB move. Yes, running off 45 base spa is hilarious but it's absolutely necessary to prevent Mega Mawile and MEga Scizor, two huge threats, from setting up on you.
 
Scald is not Will-O-Wisp. If you think that any Scald user automatically hard counters every physical setup sweeper, you're going to be swept 70% of the time.

I've never understood that argument. So many people stay in on my dangerous physical sweepers and use a Scald/Lava Plume that does maybe 20% to me, and then they RQ when they don't get the Burn.

The 30% Burn chance is mainly there to hit switchins. If something switches into you the third time during a match and you hit it with the third Scald, chances are it's going to be burned. Those 30% Burn moves are not there to switch into physical threats and reliably counter them. Alomomola is setup bait for too many things right now and it has no offensive presence at all. The only thing it does is being a pure supporter that needs other teammates to counter offensive threats, or hitting things with a surprise Mirror Coat. Everything else Vaporeon does better.
 
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