OU Alolan Ninetales

[Rabia]

[SET]
name: Aurora Veil
move 1: Aurora Veil
move 2: Freeze-Dry
move 3: Hail
move 4: Hypnosis / Encore
item: Light Clay
ability: Snow Warning
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Although Alolan Ninetales can immediately set both screens with Aurora Veil, it's generally outclassed by Grimmsnarl. Grimmsnarl is more reliable courtesy of Taunt, Prankster, and the fact it doesn't need weather to set dual screens. Additionally, Grimmsnarl's superior defensive utility is helpful in keeping threatening wallbreakers like Dragapult in check. Alolan Ninetales should aim to set Aurora Veil as early as possible so its teammates can safely set up, and its moveset is catered to ease this process. Hail prevents other weather setters like Torkoal and Tyranitar from switching in and preventing Aurora Veil from being set, and Hypnosis stops foes like Corviknight, Ferrothorn, and Excadrill from taking advantage of Alolan Ninetales's passivity to remove Aurora Veil or set up. Encore is an alternative to Hypnosis that can lock such foes into non-attacking moves so a teammate of Alolan Ninetales can come in and safely set up and has the added benefit of perfect accuracy.

Alolan Ninetales fits exclusively on hyper offense teams, so it should be paired with a suicide lead like Excadrill or Mew to ensure entry hazards go up as quickly as possible. Setup sweepers like Zeraora, Dragapult, and Bisharp benefit from Alolan Ninetales's Aurora Veil making it easier to set up. Bisharp in particular is helpful for its ability to dissuade the use of Defog thanks to Defiant.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Rabia, 336073]]
- Quality checked by: [[Ruft, 295110], [Jordy, 395754]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Estronic, 240732]]

 

[Rabia]

ok

 

[Ruft]

A few minor things.

- I don't think calling Alolan Ninetales more passive than Grimmsnarl is the right call. They both generally have only one attack in their arsenal, and at least Ninetales can sleep Pokemon that aren't threatened by it. Grimmsnarl's biggest boons over Ninetales are that it's more reliable (thanks to Taunt and not being reliant on weather) and that it has a better typing I'd say.

- From what you've written it would seem a benefit of Encore over Hypnosis is allowing teammates to come in and safely set up, but Hypnosis also has this quality of creating free turns, albeit at the cost of accuracy.

- I think you should explain that Bisharp is a particularly good partner thanks to its ability to discourage attempts from your opponent to remove Aurora Veil with Defog.

1/2 when you've implemented this.

 

[Rabia]

A few minor things.

- I don't think calling Alolan Ninetales more passive than Grimmsnarl is the right call. They both generally have only one attack in their arsenal, and at least Ninetales can sleep Pokemon that aren't threatened by it. Grimmsnarl's biggest boons over Ninetales are that it's more reliable (thanks to Taunt and not being reliant on weather) and that it has a better typing I'd say.

- From what you've written it would seem a benefit of Encore over Hypnosis is allowing teammates to come in and safely set up, but Hypnosis also has this quality of creating free turns, albeit at the cost of accuracy.

- I think you should explain that Bisharp is a particularly good partner thanks to its ability to discourage attempts from your opponent to remove Aurora Veil with Defog.

1/2 when you've implemented this.

did

 

[ImperialGamer517]

AM Check. Implement what you want.

latter's greater reliability courtesy of Taunt and the fact it doesn't need weather to set dual screens combined with its superior defensive utility

Try to also add the fact that Grimmsnarl can take advantage of Prankster and get a near guaranteed turn of setting up screens and setting up on the opponent.

weather setters like Torkoal and Tyranitar

I’d add both Hippowdon and Pelipper to the list.

Setup sweepers like Zeraora, Dragapult, and Bisharp

I would replace Dragapult with Gyarados, since Dragapult is usually used as a strong wallbreaker, while Gyarados is mostly used as a setup sweeper.

Good job

 

[Rabia]

AM Check. Implement what you want.



Try to also add the fact that Grimmsnarl can take advantage of Prankster and get a near guaranteed turn of setting up screens and setting up on the opponent.


I’d add both Hippowdon and Pelipper to the list.


I would replace Dragapult with Gyarados, since Dragapult is usually used as a strong wallbreaker, while Gyarados is mostly used as a setup sweeper.

Good job

AM Check. Implement what you want.



Try to also add the fact that Grimmsnarl can take advantage of Prankster and get a near guaranteed turn of setting up screens and setting up on the opponent.


I’d add both Hippowdon and Pelipper to the list.


I would replace Dragapult with Gyarados, since Dragapult is usually used as a strong wallbreaker, while Gyarados is mostly used as a setup sweeper.

Good job

added a mention of Prankster because sure it's a harmless addition but the other two lines are not satisfactory in my eyes. sure, Pelipper and Hippowdon /could/ switch into Alolan Ninetales on an Aurora Veil attempt---and it's even implied when I say "weather setters such as" that there are other possible switch-ins than the two mentioned---but I explicitly left those two out because Freeze-Dry smacks the shit out of both of them. realistically it isn't worth mentioning them here as a result. meanwhile, Dragapult is a better mention than Gyarados regardless of whether Dragapult is predominantly a wallbreaker; it is also a common setup sweeper on HO builds, whereas Gyarados is not relevant at all in the tier.

generally OU doesn't like people doing AM checks and prefers users demonstrate their knowledge via writing; however, if you're going to contribute feedback to analyses, the best way to do so is make mentions from a metagame-based perspective rather than simply looking at examples unless they are incredibly egregious, i.e. someone saying Hippowdon checks Dracovish or something of that nature.

 

[ImperialGamer517]

added a mention of Prankster because sure it's a harmless addition but the other two lines are not satisfactory in my eyes. sure, Pelipper and Hippowdon /could/ switch into Alolan Ninetales on an Aurora Veil attempt---and it's even implied when I say "weather setters such as" that there are other possible switch-ins than the two mentioned---but I explicitly left those two out because Freeze-Dry smacks the shit out of both of them. realistically it isn't worth mentioning them here as a result. meanwhile, Dragapult is a better mention than Gyarados regardless of whether Dragapult is predominantly a wallbreaker; it is also a common setup sweeper on HO builds, whereas Gyarados is not relevant at all in the tier.

generally OU doesn't like people doing AM checks and prefers users demonstrate their knowledge via writing; however, if you're going to contribute feedback to analyses, the best way to do so is make mentions from a metagame-based perspective rather than simply looking at examples unless they are incredibly egregious, i.e. someone saying Hippowdon checks Dracovish or something of that nature.

Ok ok

 

[Jordy]

comments in purple things to remove in red

[SET]
name: Aurora Veil
move 1: Aurora Veil
move 2: Freeze-Dry
move 3: Hail
move 4: Hypnosis / Encore
item: Light Clay
ability: Snow Warning
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Although Alolan Ninetales can immediately set both screens with Aurora Veil, it's generally outclassed by Grimmsnarl due to the latter's greater reliability courtesy of Taunt, Prankster, and the fact it doesn't need weather to set dual screens combined with its superior defensive utility. It's probably worth elaborating on this superior defensive utility a little bit. Alolan Ninetales should aim to set Aurora Veil as early as possible so its teammates can safely set up, and its moveset is catered to ease this process. Hail prevents other weather setters like Torkoal and Tyranitar from switching in and preventing Aurora Veil from being set, and Hypnosis stops foes like Corviknight, Ferrothorn, and Bulk Up Zeraora from taking advantage of Alolan Ninetales's passivity to remove Aurora Veil or set up. This metagame really doesn't favor Bulk Up Zeraora, I think a different Pokemon like Excadrill would make more sense here. Alternatively, Encore can lock such foes into non-attacking moves so a teammate of Alolan Ninetales can come in and safely set up and has the added benefit of perfect accuracy. "the added benefit of perfect accuracy" doesn't directly relate to anything else you've said so far, so I'm not sure why this needs to be mentioned. You should either remove that bit or also point out Hypnosis's shaky accuracy.

Alolan Ninetales fits exclusively on hyper offense teams, so it should be paired with a suicide lead like Excadrill or Mew to ensure entry hazards go up as quickly as possible. Setup sweepers like Zeraora, Dragapult, and Bisharp benefit from Alolan Ninetales's Aurora Veil making it easier to set up. Bisharp in particular is helpful for its ability to dissuade the use of Defog thanks to Defiant.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Rabia, 336073]]
- Quality checked by: [[Ruft, 295110], [username2, userid2]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]

Good job, 2/2.

 

[Rabia]

comments in purple things to remove in red

Good job, 2/2.

did and reworked the last two sentences so it was clearer that encore's perfect accuracy was a benefit over hypnosis

 

[Astra]

Honestly I can't find anything to change here other than a few subjective changes, but there isn't a reason to do any of them unless you're interested (which you most definitely aren't).
1/1