Gen 3 ADV Salac + Torrent Croconaw OO+CC [Done]

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[SET]
name: Salac Sweeper
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Hydro Pump
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Hidden Power Grass
item: Salac Berry
ability: Torrent
nature: Modest
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Croconaw sets itself apart from other Water-types thanks to its access to Torrent. This in conjunction with Salac Berry allows Croconaw to become an incredibly frightening late-game sweeper. STAB-boosted Hydro Pump can prove difficult to switch into, and while Torrent is active, Pokemon that would otherwise comfortably switch in such as Chinchou, Seaking, and Castform get 2HKOed. Ice Beam provides Croconaw with excellent coverage against Grass-types such as Bayleef and Lileep. Hidden Power Grass allows Croconaw to hit opposing Water-types such as Seaking, Chinchou, and Staryu without relying on Hydro Pump's accuracy. Because of Croconaw's mediocre Special Attack, a Modest nature is used to ensure Croconaw 2HKOes specially defensive Pokemon such as Delcatty and Grimer while Torrent is active.

Croconaw works best on offensive and balance teams in need of a dedicated cleaner or win condition. Croconaw appreciates status support, so Pokemon with access to Thunder Wave such as Nosepass, Chinchou, and Magnemite all make great partners. Physical wallbreakers such as Aipom, Pidgeotto, and Cubone can threaten specially defensive Pokemon such as Delcatty, Dustox, and Grimer. Rhyhorn makes for a fantastic partner, as it resists Delcatty's Body Slam and Grimer's Sludge Bomb. Mixed attackers such as Castform and Seaking make for excellent partners, as they can weaken Dustox and Delcatty, which can otherwise shut down Croconaw's ability to clean. Specially defensive Pokemon such as Sunflora and Castform act as excellent checks to Chinchou and Elekid, which otherwise threaten Croconaw's ability to clean if its Salac Berry has not been activated. Croconaw appreciates Spikes support from Snorunt, as the chip allows it to always 2HKO Dustox with Hydro Pump while Torrent is active.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
A Choice Band set may seem worthwhile due to Croconaw's excellent Attack, but its poor Speed and lack of STAB-boosted attacks mean it is unable to perform effectively.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Electric-types**: Both Chinchou and Elekid can outspeed and OHKO Croconaw with their Electric-type STAB moves. Chinchou is worth noting, as its bulk and typing can help it switch in.

**Status Users**: Pokemon that run status moves such as Lileep, Dustox, and Chinchou can all severely limit Croconaw as a sweeper. Toxic from the likes of Lileep and Dustox can hurt Croconaw's overall longevity, rendering it almost useless if it's relying on Salac Berry and Torrent. Nidorino is also worth mentioning, as it can outspeed and poison Croconaw if Croconaw is the Swords Dance variant. Will-O-Wisp from Koffing can remove Croconaw's ability to act as a physical wallbreaker while also shutting down hopes of it using Torrent and Salac Berry effectively. Thunder Wave from Chinchou or Body Slam paralysis from Delcatty can reduce Croconaw's already lacking Speed, which hinders it as an attacker.

**Faster Attackers**: Croconaw is easily revenge killed by faster attackers such as Aipom and Pidgeotto. Salac Berry somewhat remedies this, but this makes Croconaw extremely susceptible to priority users such as Pidgeotto, Tailow, and Delibird.

**Grass-types**: Bayleef is able to completely wall Swords Dance Croconaw and 2HKO it with Hidden Power Grass. Additionally, due to Bayleef's customizable defenses, it can choose to invest into its Special Defenses, which completely walls Croconaw's Salac Berry set. Specially defensive Sunflora is worth mentioning here, as it is able to completely wall Substitute + Salac Berry Croconaw.


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[SET]
name: Salac Sweeper
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Hydro Pump
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Hidden Power Grass
item: Salac Berry
ability: Torrent
nature: Modest
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Croconaw sets itself apart from other Water-types thanks to its access to Torrent. This in-conjunction with Salac Berry allows Croconaw to become an incredibly frightening late-game sweeper. STAB-boosted Hydro Pump can prove difficult to switch into, however and The way this is worded with "however" makes it sound like what is stated first with Hydro Pump will be challenged in the next part of the sentence, while the opposite is true. while Torrent is active, Pokemon that would otherwise comfortably switch in such as Chinchou, Seaking, and Castform are 2HKOed. Ice Beam provides Croconaw with excellent coverage against Grass-types such as Bayleef and Lileep. Hidden Power Grass allows Croconaw to hit opposing Water-types such as Seaking, Chinchou, and Staryu without relying on Hydro Pump's accuracy. Because of Croconaw's mediocre Special Attack, a Modest nature is used to ensure Croconaw 2HKOes specially defensive Pokemon such as Delcatty and Grimer while Torrent is active.

Croconaw works best on offensive and balance teams in need of a dedicated cleaner or win condition. Croconaw appreciates status support, so Pokemon such as Nosepass, Chinchou, and Magnemite all make great partners. Which status, and how does status help? Physical wallbreakers such as Aipom, Pidgeotto, and Cubone can threaten specially defensive Pokemon such as Delcatty, Dustox, and Grimer. Rhyhorn makes for a fantastic partner as it resists Delcatty's Body Slam and Grimer's Sludge Bomb while also threatening specially defensive Grass-types like Bayleef and Sunflora with Megahorn. I would omit this last part, as Rhyhorn is not remotely a reliable answer to Grass-types. At best you can argue it can force in and KO or weaken Grass-types with Megahorn. Mixed attackers such as Castform and Seaking make for excellent partners as they can weaken Dustox and Delcatty which can otherwise shut down Croconaw's ability to clean. Specially defensive Pokemon such as Sunflora and Castform act as excellent checks to Chinchou and Elekid which otherwise threaten Croconaw's ability to clean if Torrent has not been activated. Do you mean Salac Berry here?

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
Croconaw can utilize an EV spread of 204 HP / 252 SpA / 52 Spe and a Modest nature alongside Leftovers and the move Protect in the lead position in order to take advantage of lead Wailmer.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Electric-types**: Both Chinchou and Elekid can outspeed and remove Croconaw with their Electric-type STAB. Be more specific: do they OHKO it? Also mention how Chinchou's bulk and typing can help it switch in.

**Status Users**: Pokemon that run status such as Lileep, Dustox, and Chinchou can all severely limit Croconaw as a sweeper. Toxic from the likes of Lileep and Dustox can render Croconaw almost useless if its it's relying on Salac Berry and Torrent. Nidorino is also worth mentioning as it can outspeed and poison it with Sludge Bomb or Poison Point if Croconaw is the Swords Dance varaint variant. It's better to talk about how Toxic effects Croconaw in general, that being that it hurts its longevity, before talking about specific sets. Will-O-Wisp from Koffing can void Croconaw of its ability to act as a physical wallbreaker while also shutting down the hopes of it using Torrent and Salac Berry effectively. Thunder Wave from Chinchou or a Body Slam from Delcatty can reduce Croconaw's already lacking Speed which hinders it as an attacker.

**Priority Users**: Pokemon with Quick Attack such as Pidgeotto, Delibird, and Tailow can pick off Croconaw once its it has used its Salac Berry.

**Bayleef**: Due to its customizable defenses, Bayleef can choose to wall either Croconaw set and 2HKO it with Hidden Power Grass. Bayleef's main set is physically defensive, it's best to talk about that first before going on about specially defensive sets, which is at best an oo at the moment.

Mention faster attackers, Croconaw's low Speed makes it easy to revenge kill. You can maybe merge this with Priority users by saying something along the lines of "Croconaw is easily revenge killed -> Salac Berry can help -> Priority can still pick it off"

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Done and Ready for Check 2

 

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Great work, qc 2/2 when done

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[SET]
name: Salac Sweeper
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Hydro Pump
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Hidden Power Grass
item: Salac Berry
ability: Torrent
nature: Modest
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe wouldnt you want to change the 4 evs into HP to activate Salac on 25% when subbing rather than at 1%?

[SET COMMENTS]
Croconaw sets itself apart from other Water-types thanks to its access to Torrent. This in-conjunction with Salac Berry allows Croconaw to become an incredibly frightening late-game sweeper. STAB-boosted Hydro Pump can prove difficult to switch into, and while Torrent is active, Pokemon that would otherwise comfortably switch in such as Chinchou, Seaking, and Castform are 2HKOed. Ice Beam provides Croconaw with excellent coverage against Grass-types such as Bayleef and Lileep. Hidden Power Grass allows Croconaw to hit opposing Water-types such as Seaking, Chinchou, and Staryu without relying on Hydro Pump's accuracy. Because of Croconaw's mediocre Special Attack, a Modest nature is used to ensure Croconaw 2HKOes specially defensive Pokemon such as Delcatty and Grimer while Torrent is active. It might be important to mention that it does outspeed max speed, non speed natured wailmer or growlithe if it goes modest. these seem sort of minor butcan be good to know.

Croconaw works best on offensive and balance teams in need of a dedicated cleaner or win condition. Croconaw appreciates status support, so Pokemon with access to Thunder Wave such as Nosepass, Chinchou, and Magnemite all make great partners. Physical wallbreakers such as Aipom, Pidgeotto, and Cubone can threaten specially defensive Pokemon such as Delcatty, Dustox, and Grimer. Rhyhorn makes for a fantastic partner as it resists Delcatty's Body Slam and Grimer's Sludge Bomb. Mixed attackers such as Castform and Seaking make for excellent partners as they can weaken Dustox and Delcatty which can otherwise shut down Croconaw's ability to clean. Specially defensive Pokemon such as Sunflora and Castform act as excellent checks to Chinchou and Elekid which otherwise threaten Croconaw's ability to clean if its Salac Berry has not been activated.
I think mentioning Spikes here could be good since it can enhance its effectiveness as a cleaner. like a spike 100% picks up the 2hko on dustox when in torrent vs 10% to 2hko without the spike. im not sure what else it does, i just checked a couple calcs.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
Croconaw can utilize an EV spread of 204 HP / 252 SpA / 52 Spe and a Modest nature alongside Leftovers and Protect in the lead position in order to take advantage of lead Wailmer.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Electric-types**: Both Chinchou and Elekid can outspeed and OHKO Croconaw with their Electric-type STAB. Chinchou is worth noting as its bulk and typing can help it switch in.

**Status Users**: Pokemon that run status such as Lileep, Dustox, and Chinchou can all severely limit Croconaw as a sweeper. Toxic from the likes of Lileep and Dustox can hurt Croconaw's overall longeity, but also renders it almost useless if it's relying on Salac Berry and Torrent. Nidorino is also worth mentioning as it can outspeed and poison it with Sludge Bomb or Poison Point if Croconaw is the Swords Dance variant. Will-O-Wisp from Koffing can void Croconaw of its ability to act as a physical wallbreaker while also shutting down the hopes of it using Torrent and Salac Berry effectively. Thunder Wave from Chinchou or a Body Slam from Delcatty can reduce Croconaw's already lacking Speed which hinders it as an attacker.

**Faster Attackers**: Croconaw is easily revenge killed by faster attackers such as Aipom and Pidgeotto. Salac Berry somewhat remedies this, but this makes Croconaw extremely susceptible to Priority users such as Pidgeotto, Tailow, and Delibird.

**Bayleef**: Bayleef's able to completely wall Swords Dance Croconaw and 2HKO it with Hidden Power Grass. Addtionally, due to Bayleef's customizable defenses, it can choose to invest its bulk into its special defenses which completely walls Croconaw's Salac Berry set.

When it comes to grass-types that wall its salac set like Bayleef, special defensive sunflora should be mentioned here somewhere

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[SET]
name: Salac Sweeper
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Hydro Pump
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Hidden Power Grass
item: Salac Berry
ability: Torrent
nature: Modest
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Croconaw sets itself apart from other Water-types thanks to its access to Torrent. This in- conjunction (RH, AS) with Salac Berry allows Croconaw to become an incredibly frightening late-game sweeper. STAB-boosted Hydro Pump can prove difficult to switch into, and while Torrent is active, Pokemon that would otherwise comfortably switch in such as Chinchou, Seaking, and Castform is get 2HKOed. Ice Beam provides Croconaw with excellent coverage against Grass-types such as Bayleef and Lileep. Hidden Power Grass allows Croconaw to hit opposing Water-types such as Seaking, Chinchou, and Staryu without relying on Hydro Pump's accuracy. Because of Croconaw's mediocre Special Attack, a Modest nature is used to ensure Croconaw 2HKOes specially defensive Pokemon such as Delcatty and Grimer while Torrent is active.

Croconaw works best on offensive and balance teams in need of a dedicated cleaner or win condition. Croconaw appreciates status support, so Pokemon with access to Thunder Wave such as Nosepass, Chinchou, and Magnemite all make great partners. Physical wallbreakers such as Aipom, Pidgeotto, and Cubone can threaten specially defensive Pokemon such as Delcatty, Dustox, and Grimer. Rhyhorn makes for a fantastic partner, (AC) as it resists Delcatty's Body Slam and Grimer's Sludge Bomb. Mixed attackers such as Castform and Seaking make for excellent partners, (AC) as they can weaken Dustox and Delcatty, (AC) which can otherwise shut down Croconaw's ability to clean. Specially defensive Pokemon such as Sunflora and Castform act as excellent checks to Chinchou and Elekid, (AC) which otherwise threaten Croconaw's ability to clean if its Salac Berry has not been activated. Croconaw appreciates Spikes support from Snorunt, (AC) as it allows it to always 2HKO Dustox with Torrent active (I'd mention the move as well.).

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
A Choice Band set may seem worthwhile due to Croconaw's excellent attack, but its poor Speed and lack of STAB-boosted attacks mean it is unable to perform effectively.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Electric-types**: Both Chinchou and Elekid can outspeed and OHKO Croconaw with their Electric-type STAB moves. Chinchou is worth noting, (AC) as its bulk and typing can help it switch in.

**Status Users**: Pokemon that run status such as Lileep, Dustox, and Chinchou can all severely limit Croconaw as a sweeper. Toxic from the likes of Lileep and Dustox can hurt Croconaw's overall longeity longevity, but also renders rendering (Using "but" here doesn't quite connect these two points here, so I figured that just dropping the conjunction would work best here.) it almost useless if it's relying on Salac Berry and Torrent. Nidorino is also worth mentioning, (AC) as it can outspeed and poison it Croconaw with Sludge Bomb or Poison Point if Croconaw is the Swords Dance variant. Will-O-Wisp from Koffing can void remove ("Remove" or "strip" is the more applicable verb here.) Croconaw of its ability to act as a physical wallbreaker while also shutting down the hopes of it using Torrent and Salac Berry effectively. Thunder Wave from Chinchou or a Body Slam from Delcatty can reduce Croconaw's already lacking Speed, (AC) which hinders it as an attacker.

**Faster Attackers**: Croconaw is easily revenge killed by faster attackers such as Aipom and Pidgeotto. Salac Berry somewhat remedies this, but this makes Croconaw extremely susceptible to Priority priority users such as Pidgeotto, Tailow, and Delibird.

**Bayleef Grass-types**: Bayleef's is able to completely wall Swords Dance Croconaw and 2HKO it with Hidden Power Grass. Addtionally Additionally, due to Bayleef's customizable defenses, it can choose to invest its bulk into its special defenses Special Defense, (AC) which completely walls Croconaw's Salac Berry set. Specially defensive Sunflora is worth mentioning here, (AC) as it is able to completely wall Substitute Salac Berry Croconaw. (Section renamed from "Bayleef" to "Grass-types" because you talk about Sunflora as well.)


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[SET]
name: Salac Sweeper
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Hydro Pump
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Hidden Power Grass
item: Salac Berry
ability: Torrent
nature: Modest
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Croconaw sets itself apart from other Water-types thanks to its access to Torrent. This in- conjunction (RH, AS) with Salac Berry allows Croconaw to become an incredibly frightening late-game sweeper. STAB-boosted Hydro Pump can prove difficult to switch into, and while Torrent is active, Pokemon that would otherwise comfortably switch in such as Chinchou, Seaking, and Castform is get 2HKOed. Ice Beam provides Croconaw with excellent coverage against Grass-types such as Bayleef and Lileep. Hidden Power Grass allows Croconaw to hit opposing Water-types such as Seaking, Chinchou, and Staryu without relying on Hydro Pump's accuracy. Because of Croconaw's mediocre Special Attack, a Modest nature is used to ensure Croconaw 2HKOes specially defensive Pokemon such as Delcatty and Grimer while Torrent is active.

Croconaw works best on offensive and balance teams in need of a dedicated cleaner or win condition. Croconaw appreciates status support, so Pokemon with access to Thunder Wave such as Nosepass, Chinchou, and Magnemite all make great partners. Physical wallbreakers such as Aipom, Pidgeotto, and Cubone can threaten specially defensive Pokemon such as Delcatty, Dustox, and Grimer. Rhyhorn makes for a fantastic partner, (AC) as it resists Delcatty's Body Slam and Grimer's Sludge Bomb. Mixed attackers such as Castform and Seaking make for excellent partners, (AC) as they can weaken Dustox and Delcatty, (AC) which can otherwise shut down Croconaw's ability to clean. Specially defensive Pokemon such as Sunflora and Castform act as excellent checks to Chinchou and Elekid, (AC) which otherwise threaten Croconaw's ability to clean if its Salac Berry has not been activated. Croconaw appreciates Spikes support from Snorunt, (AC) as it the chip allows it to always 2HKO Dustox with Torrent active (I'd mention the move as well.).

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
A Choice Band set may seem worthwhile due to Croconaw's excellent attack Attack, but its poor Speed and lack of STAB-boosted attacks mean it is unable to perform effectively.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Electric-types**: Both Chinchou and Elekid can outspeed and OHKO Croconaw with their Electric-type STAB moves. Chinchou is worth noting, (AC) as its bulk and typing can help it switch in.

**Status Users**: Pokemon that run status moves such as Lileep, Dustox, and Chinchou can all severely limit Croconaw as a sweeper. Toxic from the likes of Lileep and Dustox can hurt Croconaw's overall longeity longevity, but also renders rendering (Using "but" here doesn't quite connect these two points here, so I figured that just dropping the conjunction would work best here.) it almost useless if it's relying on Salac Berry and Torrent. Nidorino is also worth mentioning, (AC) as it can outspeed and poison it Croconaw with Sludge Bomb or Poison Point there's no real distinction between these if Croconaw is the Swords Dance variant. Will-O-Wisp from Koffing can void remove ("Remove" or "strip" is the more applicable verb here.) Croconaw of its Croconaw's ability to act as a physical wallbreaker while also shutting down the hopes of it using Torrent and Salac Berry effectively. Thunder Wave from Chinchou or a Body Slam paralysis from Delcatty can reduce Croconaw's already lacking Speed, (AC) which hinders it as an attacker.

**Faster Attackers**: Croconaw is easily revenge killed by faster attackers such as Aipom and Pidgeotto. Salac Berry somewhat remedies this, but this makes Croconaw extremely susceptible to Priority priority users such as Pidgeotto, Tailow, and Delibird.

**Bayleef Grass-types**: Bayleef's is able to completely wall Swords Dance Croconaw and 2HKO it with Hidden Power Grass. Addtionally Additionally, due to Bayleef's customizable defenses, it can choose to invest its bulk into its special defenses Special Defense, (AC) which completely walls Croconaw's Salac Berry set. Specially defensive Sunflora is worth mentioning here, (AC) as it is able to completely wall Substitute + Salac Berry Croconaw. (Section renamed from "Bayleef" to "Grass-types" because you talk about Sunflora as well.)

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notes for tbolt

• stab-boosted is correct; "STAB Hydro Pump" isn't.
• the addition of "with Torrent active" already implies that hydro pump is the move 2hkoing dustox, since it's the only torrent-boosted move on the set. if this had say surf, then specifying "Torrent-boosted Hydro Pump" would likely be necessary,