Rejected Add the Blank Plate and the Legend Plate to showdown items

[Deleted User 594026]

Although part of Pokémon Legends: Arceus, which has currently no battle modes in Showdown, all new Pokémon from that game were introduced, and it would be also nice to introduce these 2 Plates to be used in costume battles (as any other plate, if not in also other battle modes that may surge).

This would be a good addition for players that want to play vs their friends with LA Pokémon, and particularly the addition of the Legend Plate would be fun to use with Arceus in Costume Battles for those who want, and would complement the addition of the LA new Pokémon.

 

[DaWoblefet]

We won't implement any Legends Arceus-specific mechanics on the simulator. Not only do we not support PLA mechanics in general, since PLA does not support PvP battling, but it also has logistical problems with assumptions about how Legend Plate would behave with Abilities and Items. For example, in PLA Legend Plate Arceus's Judgment can become Ground-type when it attacks a Drapion - how does that behave with Air Balloon? Or suppose a similar situation with a Rotom form that has Levitate. Or suppose you Skill Swap Sap Sipper to a Quagsire. Now you could just either assume it doesn't interact with Abilities or items altogether, or it fully respects all items and Abilities. But what about typeless Pokemon, like an Arcanine after Burn Up? You could again make assumptions, but it's just not something we can port over to regular Gen 8 battle mechanics without making those assumptions, because it's just not in the game.

Independently, I don't see any research documented in the PLA thread for how Legend Plate Arceus determines its type. I know it's a function of both trying to be super effective on the opponent while also picking what it thinks is a good defensive type, if possible. But I don't know if there's documentation on how it determines the type to pick if multiple are available to it - is it based on some kind of priority where certain types are prioritized above others? Does it depend on the other Pokemon it's fighting (e.g. 2v1 is different than 1v1)? Is it random? Either way, there's too many assumptions and impossible research tasks for us to implement this.

I also don't think "Black Plate" is an item in PLA.

 

[Deleted User 594026]

Blank Plate is an item in PLA:
https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Blank_Plate
Did you even search for it?

And there is a definined rule for the Legend Plate (although it would be probably difficult to articulate with Abilities/Items):
https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Legend_Plate

 

[Deleted User 594026]

Do you need more sources? I can pick some, if that's the problem. Although I understand what you said about the Legend Plate's rules, I see no reason to reject the Blank Plate.

 

[Mega-Pokebattlerz]

You misspelled Blank Plate as "Black Plate", which is why DaWoblefet was confused. Also, Blank Plate is a Key item in PLA, not a held item, and Arceus is already Normal-type when it isn't holding a plate at all. Blank Plate's only reason for existing is to turn a non-Normal-type Arceus Normal-type in Legends, where there are no held items. Just give it a Silk Scarf lol.

Legend Plate Arceus would also be ridiculously OP, since it has no need for coverage. A set of Calm Mind/Judgement/Recover/filler could just sweep through any possible team.

 

[Deleted User 594026]

Omg, I did! Well seen. (But I would I correct it now that staff closed my sugestion?...)

 

[Irpachuza]

Blank Plate is a Key item in PLA, not a held item, and Arceus is already Normal-type when it isn't holding a plate at all.

This is a pretty good enough explanation, along with DaWob already explaining why we are not adding PLA exclusive items, simply because we don't know how they work on PvP enviroments. Closing this.