A team centred around Latios.

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Casanova

[Introduction + Team Building]
This is a Uber team mainly focusing around CMSoul Dew Latios.This team tries to weaken the opponent with entry hazards,flinch-hax,priority moves,as well as taking statuses that Latios doesn't like.
At first,I figured that I needed pokemon that countered Latios's weaknesses;which were:Ice,Dragon,Bug,Ghost and Dark.Based on the new garnered information,I added Forretress into the team,seeing that it resisted all of Latios's weaknesses,and could spin hazards and set up my own.Thus he earned a spot in my team.Next,I realised that I needed a fire counter,since Forry really hates Fire moves,and usually pokemon that carry Ice Beam carry Fire Blast.Thus I thought of a pokemon that takes Fire types effectively,and I ultimately came to a decision with Heatran.And I realised something else:It also resisted all of Latios's weaknesses!So I used Heatran as a second back-up counter for Latios.Next,I needed a pokemon that countered Heatran's weaknesses.Fighting,Ground,Water.Seeing that I needed a flinch-hax pokemon at that time to flinch-hax Wobuffet too,I added Shaymin-s promptly,as it resisted all weaknesses of Heatran.Now,I realised that I needed a Ice counter,Rock counter,Fire counter and Flying counter for Shaymin-s.I already have a Ice,Fire and Flying counter.Rock types could also be handled by Forretress as he had a neutrality to rock moves,and had a high base defense to handle those.
Next,I realised I needed a Darkrai counter,since I am pretty weak to Dark Void + Nasty Plot variants.I promptly chose a pokemon that resisted Dark Pulse and had an immunity to Dark Void.I scanned through a list of pokemon,and I found one great pokemon.Primeape!It had a magnificent ability,and a resistance to Dark Pulse,and it could OHKO Darkrai with Close Combat.He was immediately added to the team.
Next,I needed a lead.I needed a lead that could prevent leads slower than it from setting up their entry hazards.Immediately,Deoxys-s came to mind.But he was rejected,because he could not deal severe damage to leads I see.I realised that Deoxys-a could do the same job AND kill leads with its high base attack stats,it was added to my team.

Thus,the team consisted of:
My lead,Deoxys-f.
My spinner,Forretress.
My sweeper,Latios.
My para-haxer,Shaymin-s.
My counter for fire-moves,Heatran.
My Darkrai counter,Primeape.

Changes made to the team:
Deoxys-a : Thunder changed to Grass Knot
Latios : Ice Beam to Roost to Recover
Primeape to Honchkrow
Heatran to Ho-Oh
Ho-Oh to Latias
Changed Deoxys-a to an all out attacking antilead
Forretress to Spiritomb
Skymin to Dialga
Spiritomb to Darkrai
Honchkrow to Scizor,as a back up sleep absorber and a counter for Darkrai all in all
Scizor to Groudon
Support Latias to normal Backup Sweeper Latias
Darkrai to Sleep Talk Kyogre
Dialga's EVs to 20 Atk / 252 Spe / 236 SAtk,with Hasty Nature as suggested by darknessmalice
Changed Groudon's EVs to 252 HP / 32 Def / 224 SDef with Careful to survive 3 Spacial Rends from ScarfKia

After all these introduction,I present you the team:

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Deoxys-f @ Focus Sash
Naive Nature(+Spe,-Sp.Def)
100 Atk / 252 Spe / 156 SpA
-Stealth Rock Superpower
-Taunt Shadow Ball
-Extremespeed
-Thunder Grass Knot
A lead made specially to counter Kyogre,Deoxys-f,Deoxys-s,Shaymin-s leads.Extremespeed 2OHKOs Deoxys-f(with Focus Sash),Deoxys-s and Shaymin-s,while the combination of Thunder and Extremespeed OHKOs Kyogre.It will not lose to Kyogre due to its Focus Sash.After eliminating these leads,I set up my own entry hazards.Taunt helps me against other leads like Groudon who tend to be slower than me.The 100 Atk EVs allow me to 2HKO Deoxys-s 100% of the time,and a minimum of 30% to a standard Choice Scarf/Specs lead Kyogre.Should I encounter a Kyogre with Thunder Wave with bulk in Defense or HP,I deal a minimum of 24% to it.But,since all its EVs are pumped into Defense,it should have no EVs in Special Defense,Thunder + Extremespeed still OHKOs it.I also maximized its Speed to tie with other Deoxys-f who run max Speed and +Speed Nature,and outspeed a max Speed Neutral nature Deoxys-f.The remaining EVs were pumped into Special Attack to increase the power of Thunder.
This lead works well against the previous leads mentioned,but loses terribly against Groudon.The best it can do with Extremespeed is 40%,while Groudon can 2HKO me with Earthquake,or any other move.Focus Sash allows all the OHKOs and 2HKOs mentioned above,without it,Deoxys-f would lose.Thunder was changed to Grass Knot to ensure I can OHKO Groudon and Kyogre at the same time.Now my Deoxys-f leads do not lose miserably to Groudon anymore.Thanks ultimifier.Edit 2: Changed Deoxys-a's moveset to an all out attacking out,since I find that Deoxys-f does not have the time to set up SR and Taunt.

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Kyogre @ Leftovers
Calm Nature(+SpDef,-Atk)
240 HP / 244 Def / 24 Spe
-Sleep Talk
-Rest
-Calm Mind
-Surf

As suggested by darknessmalice,my counter to Darkrai.I send this in to take the predicted Dark Void.As it boosts up,I Sleep Talk,to have a 33.3% chance of boosting,or attacking.The only problem with this,though,is the fact that Specs/Scarf Ogre can counter me,due to the fact that it has Thunder,while I do not.Luckily I run Calm,and I get 2HKOed by SpecsThunder,or 3HKOed by the latter.The set is standard.This Kyogre can also switch in to take some random Special hits from sweepers like a Palkia's Surf,Spacial Rend.Seriously though,I hate the fact that I have two weather gods in my team(Groudon being the other one).But I have no choice,I need a Darkrai counter..
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Latias @ Soul Dew
Timid Nature(+Spe,-Atk)
114 HP / 204 SpA / 192 Spe
-Dragon Pulse
-Grass Knot
-Calm Mind
-Recover

As darknessmalice suggested,a normal CM Latias.I guess it works in sync with Latios as a back up sweeper,and besides,I have Dialga as a Giratina-o counter.With this,Latias can be a tank and a special sweeper.Latias reaches a wonderful 700 Special Defense after one single CM with Soul Dew.Dragon Pulse helps me against some common ubers.Grass Knot helps me against late-game Kyogre and Groudon.Recover helps me to survive longer,and Latias can use it effectively due to its bulkiness. With her incredible hold item, Soul Dew, Palkia’s Life Orbed Spacial Rend also fails to OHKO.As for Kyogre, she stands without fear as its Ice Beam only does approximately 48% maximum, allowing Latias to Calm Mind and then Grass Knot.The EVs were swiped off the strategy dex,and they do those stuff mentioned above.


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Dialga @ Choice Scarf
Hasty Nature(+Spe,-Def)
20 Atk / 252 Spe / 236 SAtk
-Outrage
-Draco Meteor
-Fire Blast
-Thunder

Darknessmalice had suggested a Scarf Dialga before,and I tried it.To my surprise,it worked much better than BulkUp Rest Dialga,and thus was obviously used.Draco Meteor OHKOs a Giratina-o before a CM and Rayquaza without fail,without SR.Outrage OHKOs Blissey 100% of the time,with SR,on the commonly seen Uber CM Bliss.Fire Blast OHKOs Lucario without SR too.Thunder 2HKOs Kyogre,and I survive 2 Water Spouts from it.All in all a good decision in changing BulkUp Dialga to this little one here.It also counters Palkia very well,which is the first place I used it for.With 252 Spe EVs,I tie with Modest 252 Spe EVs ScarfOgre and ScarfDialga too.I also outspeed a +1 DD Adamant Rayquaza now.The remaining attack EVs were invested to beat the pokemon listed above.

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Groudon @ Leftovers
Impish Nature(+Def,-SpAtk)
252 HP / 32 Def / 224 SDef
-Stealth Rock
-Thunder Wave
-Dragon Claw
-Earthquake

Darknessmalice suggested Groudon to counter Rayquaza.After debating over whether it was useful enough,I finally used it,when darknessmalice said that Rayquazas dont run Outrage on a SD set.After that,I did some damage calculations on Dragon Claw vs Groudon.It manages a mere 3HKO with a +2 Dragon Claw on Groudon,while Groudon can retaliate with Dragon Claw.Stealth Rock can be placed here to ensure that Latios has an easier time sweeping.Thunder Wave can help me cripple Darkrai and those pokemon who poses a threat to Latios sweep.Earthquake as a STAB move,and a good one.The EVs are to allow Rayquaza to 3HKO it at best,and surviving other random physical hits.Changed the EVs to survive 3 Spacial Rends from ScarfKia and OHKO back with Dragon Claw.I can take physical hits too.




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Latios @ Soul Dew
Timid Nature(+Spe,-Atk)
4 HP / 252 Spe / 252 SAtk
-Dragon Pulse
-Calm Mind
-Thunder
-Ice Beam Recover

The star of the show,and in my opinion,the MVP of the team.After one single Calm Mind,it OHKOs everything with its perfect coverage of its moves.With the given nature and EVs,it reaches a 350 Speed,outspeeding Jolly 252 Spe EVs Rayquaza,OHKOing with Ice Beam,before it Outrages.It also outspeeds Non-Scarf Jolly 252 Spe Garchomp,and OHKOs with Ice Beam before it Outrages.Also,it can tie with other non-Scarfed Timid Latios,and outspeeds Modest Latios.Dragon Pulse can OHKO Giratina-o after one single CM.Thunder is for Lugia,whom I OHKO after 1 CM as well,and always does,since Kyogre is the most common Uber seen in the tier.Speaking of Kyogre,I OHKO it with Thunder too.Every Uber gets OHKOed by Latios.I shall show you how I deal with them with Latios:Changed Ice Beam with Recover to ensure Latios gets overlasting survivability.

Groudon - 1 CM and OHKO with Ice Beam Since I have no entry hazards,I need 1 CM and 1 Dragon Pulse to OHKO it now.
Kyogre - 1 CM and OHKO with Thunder
Lugia - 1 CM and OHKO with Thunder
Ho-Oh - 1 CM and OHKO with Thunder
Mewtwo - 1 CM and OHKO with Dragon Pulse
Darkrai - 1 CM and OHKO with Dragon Pulse,requires someone to take Dark Void first
Latios - OHKO with Dragon Pulse
Rayquaza - OHKO with Ice Beam Dragon Pulse instead
Giratina - 1 CM and OHKO with Dragon Pulse
Giratina-o - 1 CM and OHKO with Dragon Pulse
Scizor - OHKO with Thunder
Forretress - OHKO with Thunder
Mew - OHKO with Dragon Pulse
Palkia - OHKO with Dragon Pulse,lose to Scarf Variants if it Spacial Rends if I have no CM
Dialga - OHKO with Dragon Pulse after CM,lose to Scarf Variants if it Draco Meteors if I have no CM
Manaphy - OHKO with Thunder
Garchomp - OHKO with Ice Beam Dragon Pulse instead
Deoxys formes - Speed and Attack formes - OHKO with Dragon Pulse.
Defense formes - 1 CM and OHKO with Dragon Pulse
Wobuffet - I CM before it switches in,and OHKO with Dragon Pulse.Otherwise I lose the match-up.
Blissey - 2 CM and 2HKO with Dragon Pulse

As you can see from the statistics above,Latios poses a threat to almost all the pokemon in Uber tier after 1 single CM.It reaches 810 Special Attack after it,by the way.

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Conclusion:

I lose to Kyogre,Rayquaza,Giratina-o,Latios,Wobuffet if Latios is gone somehow,since all of them OHKOs my whole team.
Other than that,the team has no major problems I have faced,unless I play wrongly by predicting wrongly.
This team has got me to about 1522 points in the Uber ladder.

With that,I now present this team for you guys to rate.
 
Seems like a good team, I don't know much about ubers but I do see Lucario as a threat to this team as if it can get a SD up off a choice locked Ice Punch or HP Ice it can probably take out your whole team Extremespeeding Primeape, Latios, Shaymin-S and Deoxys-f if its still around, and Close Combating Heatran and Forretress. Just wondering how you get around this as changing things might make it lose its synergy.
 
First things first you should replace thunder with grass knot on your lead deoxys. Gtass knot has the same power against kyogre, but is strong enough to OHKO many lead groudons that do not invest in special defence.

You should also modify your latios' moveset, as ice beam is quite redundant. It does extra damage to rayquaza and shaymin only, while a +1 Dragon Pulse OHKOs them already. Replace Ice Beam with either grass knot, roost, or substitute. I feel roost fits best as it increases its staying power and lets it heal off special attacks after a couple CMs.

at first glance i notice that yur team is weak to the two most prominent uber physical sweepers: SD quaza and RP groudon.

If either of those two pokemon set up, your entire team is OHKOd. There are many ways to fix these problems, but most of them require changing your whole team around. There is an easy way to fix these two problems with only a couple changes, but is also opens up some other weaknesses (like a small darkrai weak, but which team ISNT weak to darkrai). Your team is also very weak to STALL TEAMS. They arent as common, but one little change should help your team a lot.

Replace Primape with Lugia. The following lugia wrecks havok on offensive teams lategame. Once darkrai and taunters are gone, nothing will kill this lugia other than some crits, or amazing play by your opponent (or a blissey >.<).

Lugia @ Leftovers
Bold Nature
EVs are up to you (get lots of defence, speed isn't as necessary)
-thunder wave
-ice beam
-calm mind
-roost

He helps with your RP groudon AND SD quaza weakness, and fits really well on your team. He can also be a backup sweeper after latios, as they both have similiar counters. Specs shaymin is good, but does not fit very well on your team. Getting locked into moves isnt very good when your team is weak to set up sweepers, so i suggest replacing shaymin with the LEECH SEED Variant

Shaymin-S @ Leftovers
Timid Nature
4 Def/ 252 Speed / 252 SpA
-Leech Seed
-Substitute
-Seed Flare
-Air Slash

This helps against stall and will help soften up blissey, who is currently your teams bane as it stops lugia AND latios straight in their tracks.

This is my first time actually posting a full rate, so i really hope these changes help and I look forward to facing your team in the future
 
Changes made currently due to rates will be:

Deoxys-s : Change of Thunder to Grass Knot. Thanks ultimifier for the suggestion.
As for Latios,changing Ice Beam for Roost,to ensure its survavability.

Shaymin-s will be changed to the Leech Seed variant to ensure I can stall Blissey better.
EDIT:Realised that Latios can 2HKO Bliss after +2 CM.Don't need Shaymin-s with SubSeed anymore.

As for the change of Lugia over Primeape,I dont really want to do it,because I lose my Darkrai counter,and earn one more Darkrai weak pokemon.Thanks for the suggestion though.

@joel22:ES does not OHKO Latios after +2.Latios OHKOs with Thunder.I outspeed if it Crunches.


Thanks for all the rates so far.
 
New:

Realised that Giratina-o with Aura Sphere OHKOs Heatran.Need suggestions on changing it to something that takes fire moves and can phaze it away.Any suggestions.
 
You could always try a Suicune, though I'm not sure how he'll go in the Uber tier.

Suicune@leftovers.
Bold nature
~ Surf
~ Calm Mind
~ Roar
~ Ice Beam / Hidden Power Electric / Rest
 
@hhjj : Yeah,I will definitely use Honchkrow in place of Primeape.
As for Ho-Oh,I cant really find the time to Rapid Spin,but I will try it.

Thanks for all your suggestions.
 
I dont like the way you built your team.You want to built a team based on CM soul dew Latios right?You should see what are his counters first and than built the team so Latios teammates can kill all of his counters in order to let him sweep easier.

Lets start with Latios

Latios@Soul Dew
Nature:Timid
EVs:252 Spe 252 SpA 4Whatever
-Dragon Pulse
-Thunder
-Calm Mind
-Recover

This set is the same as yours.Nothing different here except recover over roost.Roost negates Levitate so it is not a good option.

Latios' biggest counter is Blissey so I suggest Scizor
Scizor@Choice Band
Nature:Adamant
EVs: 200 HP / 56 Atk / 252 SpD
-Bullet Punch
-U-Turn
-Superpower
-Pursuit

Scizor is one of the best counters for Blissey.Superpower will OHKO her all the time.Scizor can also be a very good check to the Lati twins,Darkrai,Mewtwo,Deoxys-A and many others.This set is more defencive than the trapper one and has the same power .The only drowback is you are locked into one move but that isnt a problem since Scizor is a more a hit n run pokemon.

Next you should counter Metagross which is another big threat to Latios.The best poke I can think of is Groudon.
I suggest this set:
Groudon@Chesto Berry
Nature:Adamant
EVs:252 HP / 156 Atk / 32 Def / 60 SpD / 8 Spe
-Thunder Wave
-Stealth rock
-Earthquake
-Dragon Claw

This set is what latios needs IMO.Stealth rock support is a must for Latios.Thunder wave cripples faster opponents and makes Latios life easier.Earthquake gets Stab and kills both Tyranitar and Metagross and Dragon Claw helps against dragons.Groudon also is immune to Thunder wave that will hinder latios.

As you see with only two pokes you have covered all of Latios counters.

Forry seems a good idea for the fourth spot since it provides rapid spin support and can play entry hazard.It adds also a useful dragon resist.The set that you have is very good.

Wobbufett is a good choice for the fifth spot as it can take out a troublesome poke and give you a free turn for set up.

Skymin (especially the one you have)is a very good antilead so I suggest him over Deoxys.

Hope I helped.Good luck!
 
@Aprovleptos : What do I change for Scizor ?

As for Metagross:

a:) Sacred Fire from Ho-Oh 2HKO in Rain,it can't touch me besides Explode
b:) Rack up Spikes + SR damage.
c:) Earth Power from Skymin.
d:)Heat Wave from Honchkrow 2HKO in Rain
e:) +1 CM Thunder in rain OHKOs Metagross

I haven't seen Blissey and Metagross in the Uber tier lately,anyway..Thanks for the help given!

EDIT : Changed Ho-Oh to Latias,since I am weak to Giratina-o.Metagross now becomes harder to counter.
EDIT2: Lucario weak!
EDIT3: Palkia weak now!
 
You're making a lot of changes that both help the team and hinder the team, whilst you're still leaving very big weaknesses unchecked. Rayquaza destroys this team. Worse, if it gets a SD or a DD boost, it's gg.

I don't see the logic in using Spiritomb just to counter Lucario. Spiritomb doesn't have the defenses to pull off a STalk set in Ubers, and it doesn't synergize well with this offensive team. Replace Spiritomb with Scarf Dialga. It can swap into any of Lucario's attacks except Close Combat (you will usually be swapping into it as it SDs). It acts as a great check to many other Pokemon that threaten this team, and provides much needed offense for this team, possibly sweeping late game. It's an excellent SD Ray counter, and it can switch into Giratina-O to break its Sub with Dragon Pulse, survive an Aura Sphere, and proceed to KO (and it can OHKO with Draco Meteor if a Sub isn't and it hasn't CMed). Use Draco Meteor, Thunder, Fire Blast (for Lucario) and Outrage (Honckrow cannot switch into Latias' Thunder; this OHKOs Latias and 2HKOs Blissey).

Change Latias' set to a normal one (read the analysis). It needs the Speed to counter Palkia and outrun Garchomp, and it doesn't need Draco Meteor; the SpA drop is unfavourable for a wall and Pokemon that may decide to stay in play. Roar does not synergise at all with this team; Grass Knot is greatly preferred for a super-effective hit on Kyogre and Groudon. CM is preferred to Light Screen, as it enables Latias to beat CM + Recover Mewtwo and STalk Kyogre with CM. It's helpful against special attackers in general. CM Latias can also lure out Latios' counters, and she may choose to sacrifice herself, leaving a large dent on the opponent with her boosted Dragon Pulses, so Latios can then finish off your opponent. This suggestion is based on Stathakis' style of offence.

Replace Skymin with Supporting Groudon. Groudon can take a +1 Outrage from DD Ray and retailate with Dragon Claw. Groudon provides much needed support for the team in the form of SR and Thunderwave, and Drought can hinder opposing teams whilst helping yours (e.g. boost Scarf Dialga's Fire Blast). Groudon is also your team's answer to Bulk Up Dialga, Tyranitar and Metagross (though Scarf Dialga is helpful against Metagross).

If you do use Groudon, replace Thunder for HP Fire on Latios. If you know you're opponent has Scizor, try to send in Latios before Latias, so it can lure in Scizor and destroy it with HP Fire, solving your Scizor problem. If Latios does get badly damaged by Scizor's Bullet Punch, Latias can sweep in place of Latios.


You can also try Scarf Darkrai as a lead in place of Deoxys-A. You're using Deoxys as a way of dealing massive damage to most opposing leads. But if you're trying to do that, why don't you just shut down the lead via sleep? Darkrai also has great synergy with you're team. Whilst Darkrai fears Thunderwaves, Scizor and Tyranitar, Groudon can take all of them, and whilst Lucario can set up on Darkrai locked into the wrong attack, Dialga can stop Lucario (and take Scizor's U-turn). Focus Blast from Scarf Mewtwo can be blocked by Latias.
 
@darknessmalice

Latias's main job is to OHKO Giratina-o,whom my team is weak to.I
I'm keeping Deoxys-a,due to the fact I can eliminate Kyogre and Groudon to prevent setting up.
Darkrai can be placed somewhere though.
Skymin is changed to a BulkUp Dialga already.I will find a slot for Groudon here.
Thanks.

EDIT : Groudon was not used because it still gets 2HKOed by a +2 Rayquaza's Outrage.
EDIT2: Changed BulkUp Dialga to ScarfDialga,realised it worked better.
 
Casanova said:
@darknessmalice

Latias's main job is to OHKO Giratina-o,whom my team is weak to.I
I'm keeping Deoxys-a,due to the fact I can eliminate Kyogre and Groudon to prevent setting up.
Darkrai can be placed somewhere though.
Skymin is changed to a BulkUp Dialga already.I will find a slot for Groudon here.
Thanks.

EDIT : Groudon was not used because it still gets 2HKOed by a +2 Rayquaza's Outrage.
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Latias does not counter Giratina-O. It sets up a Sub, Draco meteor breaks the Sub and suffers a SpA drop. Then because of that drop, Draco Meteor fails to KO Giratina-O. A Scarf Dialga can force counter Giratina-O once, and normal Latias can sacrifice herself to beat Giratina-O so it is easily beaten by another one of your Pokemon. And normal Latias is better in general, as Latias has little use for that extra bulk. Your Latias also fails miserably against Giratina-O with extra Speed EVs.

Darkrai only fits into this team as a lead. I merely suggested it, as it has a similar purpose to it (and if you wanted Darkrai to beat Kyogre and Groudon, you could use a Substitute Darkrai). If you don't want it as a lead, don't use it; there are more important Pokemon to use.

Bulk Up Dialga doesn't fit into a team as offensive as this. It's meant to finish the game for you, and it doesn't work well alongside other Pokemon that require set up i.e. Latios, and I know you don't want to remove Latios as it's your theme. Scarf Dialga is better for the check on Giratina-O, Lucario and SD Rayquaza (also, Dialga needs STalk in place of Earthquake).

You need Supporting Groudon for Rayquaza. Few SD Rayquaza use Outrage (so you probably won't see +2 Outrage), as if it does use it, it's very prone to being revenge killed e.g. by Latios. But Groudon can take a DD boosted Outrage or a SD boosted Dragon Claw.

STalk isn't an effective idea with Scizor. Bullet Punch loses its priority when selected by STalk. If you need to OHKO with Superpower, STalk means you only have a 33.3% chance of doing so. Similarly, you may accidently U-turn out when you want to keep Scizor in. Against lead Darkrai, you would be better off leaving Deoxys-A in to Extremespeed the Darkrai, absorb the Sleep and then swap out so that Scizor or Scarf Dialga can beat Darkrai at a later date. Just use a standard CB Scizor. Or if you want to use a bulky Scizor i.e. to tank attacks like Outrage, use the Bulky Uber Scizor set (read here for details, as the lack of thought put into your Scizor's EVs shows that you need to read up this http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57324 - you don't just put 244 EVs into SDef with 252 EVs into Atk in order to mix offence and defence. You should move some EVs off Atk and put some in HP (but read that article for some ideas)).
 
@darknessmalice:

You're certainly right about the part where Latias fails to counter Giratina-o.I guess I should change it to normal Latias,and since I have Dialga to counter Giratina-o now.

Yeah,I guess you're right about the Rayquaza part too.I replaced Scizor with Groudon,since STalk wasn't a really effective idea.Tested it out,didn't work well.

Now I am weak to Darkrai AGAIN.Any suggestions?
 
Against Darkrai leads, you're not really weak, but you have to let enemy Darkrai put your Deoxys-A lead, which technically means Deoxys-A only gets in an Extremespeed, and then its brining in Sleep Clause. to protect your team Then Scarf Dialga counters it as long as it comes in on any move save Focus Blast. But most Darkrai aren't leads, and then you have to let a Pokemon fail to sleep, which is of course undesirable.

If you want a Darkrai counter, replace your Darkrai with Sleep Talk Kyogre (Surf and CM being the other 2 moves). It can take any attack save Trick and the rare Thunder, both of which Dialga can take. After Kyogre is put to sleep, swap to Darkrai as it uses Nasty Plot or Substitute. It also checks many of the switch ins to STalk Kyogre like Latias and (if you swap it in on Darkrai, your opponent will know it has STalk).

If you use Kyogre, I strongly recommend replacing Latios with Scarf Garchomp (even though it's against your theme). It kinda works similarly to Scarf Dialga, except it can use Dragon Claw to OHKO Latias without having to be locked into Outrage. Latias/os, Rayquaza, Giratina-O and Specs Ogre are all common switch ins to STalk Kyogre. As they come in, so does Garchomp, and none of them can take on Garchomp. As extra bonuses, Garchomp can swap into Rayquaza regardless of whether it's DD or SD, and it can take Choiced Thunders from Specs Ogre. I suggested the replacement of Latios instead of Latias, as Latias is your team's best switch in to the ever common SpecsOgre, as well as many other specially based attacks.

With Garchomp and Scarf Dialga checking Rayquaza and Lucario (and Dialga checking Scizor), I feel all those Def EVs on Groudon are unnecessary. You could just use the standard EV spread to give Groudon more Atk. This Atk makes it easier to beat Bulk Up Dialga, who would otherwise shrug off your Earthquakes after a Bulk Up.

Change Dialga's EVs to 20 Atk / 252 Spe / 236 SpA. 20 Atk is enough to guarantee a 2HKO on 4 HP / 252 Def Blissey (standard) with Outrage SR support, assuming it does not Softboiled. 252 HP / 252 SpD Blissey is rarely seen, so aiming for a OHKO on that is pointless. You still have a guaranteed OHKO on Latias, and that extra SpA is helpful, as Dialga's other moves are special. I recommend shifting to a Hasty nature, as the Speed enables you to at least speed tie with the many Uber scarfed base 90s (most of which are +nature), and outrun +1 Adamant Rayquaza. If you choose not to, use Mild, as most things in Uber attack specially. It also helps if you plan to use Dialga to switch in on Giratina-O, whilst Dialga resists the physical attacks that you would switch it in on (Extremespeed being the main one).
 
@darknessmalice:

Sorry,I dont feel like replacing Latios.Latios has about the same amount of Special Defense as Latias,and may I ask you why can't it take special hits from SpecsOgre?

Sleep Talk Ogre will definitely be used,since I can rid my Darkrai weakness.Thanks for that suggestion.

As for Dialga's EVs,I will change them to what you suggested.I guess I will use Mild,as it is meant to counter Giratina-o,anyways.

Thanks again.

EDIT: I ran Hasty instead,cause Mild added Special Attack not Speed.
 
Casanova said:
@darknessmalice:

Sorry,I dont feel like replacing Latios.Latios has about the same amount of Special Defense as Latias,and may I ask you why can't it take special hits from SpecsOgre?
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Latios theoretically can, but it takes a lot of damage from SpecsOgre's Water Spout. To be precise, it takes 68.21 - 80.46% damage from a full HP Modest SpecOgre Water Spout. The better players will use Ice Beam first instead of Water Spout (it does more damage to Kyogre's normal switch-ins). Ice Beam does 77.48 - 91.39% damage. This can OHKO with SR in play. Latias takes less damage and can't be OHKOed. Without Latias, you would end up playing Latios as you would play Latias - to take some special hits, and retailate with strong Dragon Pulses. But Latias is better at that thanks to her better bulk (she takes approximately 20% less damage than Latios using their current EV spread).

I also read your description of Kyogre, and it's not bad having both Kyogre and Groudon on the same team. None of your teammates are hindered by either sun or rain. Having both gives you the opportunity of using them to mess up opposing teams that rely on a certain weather e.g. Groudon to hinder Rain teams, and Kyogre to hinder Sun teams.
 
Casanova said:
Okay.I guess you're right.But one problem:

Won't Latios get 50% thunder in the Sun?
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This is accuracy I'm assuming.

If you're worried about that, replace Thunder with Grass Knot. However, I wouldn't have both Latias and Latios having Grass Knot. (it sounds like that you've refused my recommendation to use Garchomp, which I recommend against - and if you do use Garchomp, ignore this part). Latios can have HP Fire to hit Steels with. The main purpose for this is that Latios lures in Scizor. HP Fire will OHKO, making it much easier for Latios or Latias to sweep. It's better if Latios has HP Fire, because Latias is your main answer to Kyogre and Groudon's Earthquake, and as such she really needs Grass Knot. If you do use HP Fire, lower your Speed EVs to 204, putting the rest into HP. With HP Fire, you can't have 31 Speed IVs, so you will always lose the speed tie against opposing Latios. 204 is enough to always outrun non Scarf Garchomp and most Latias by 2 points (so you outrun Latias with an extra speed point and Pokemon that EV themselves just to outrun Latias).
 
Casanova said:
Kyogre will then wall me,as Dragon Pulse 2HKOs at max after 1 CM.
I guess I should run Thunderbolt on Latios then.
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If you're thinking of a CM sweep, you usually use Latios. But unless Kyogre can survive a +1 Dragon Pulse, in which you use Latias instead. There is little to gain from using Thunderbolt, as Latias easily deals with Kyogre. HP Fire is to remove Scizor, who would otherwise ruin your hopes of sweeping. Even if the rest of your team can handle Scizor, they can't stop Scizor from using U-turn and maintaining momentum. Latios can remove Scizor, allowing Latias to sweep, who will have Grass Knot for Kyogre.
 
Latios' CM boosted HP Fire will always OHKO Scizor with SR support, even in the Rain. Only ridiculously bulky Scizor with a Careful nature has a chance of surviving (and none of the Scizor sets mentioned in the Scizor update have enough bulk). Even max/max Careful Scizor has a 66.7% chance of being OHKOed by +1 HP Fire with SR support, assuming Rain.
Also, Forretress is also always OHKOed by +1 HP Fire + SR.
 
Okay,thanks.
What else can HP Fire hit,besides Scizor?I need a move that has high coverage,though,as Latios is pretty weak when he doesn't have a neutral move against a pokemon.
 
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