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Announcement np: SV OU Suspect Process, Round 20 - Fly Me To The Moon

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Hello everyone, the OU tiering council has decided to retest Roaring Moon!

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Let's start with some relevant information:
  • Following a suspect test, Tera Blast was banned from SV OU on April 26th with a 61% supermajority.
  • Unanimously, we decided to drop Regieleki back to OU without the need for a retest.
  • Council voted to retest (rather than outright unban or keep Uber) both Volcarona and Roaring Moon.
  • Keeping in-line with that vote, we then determined Volcarona had more support for a retest.
  • After the Volcarona retest, where Volcarona remained Uber, we needed to find time for Roaring Moon.
  • In recent discussions, we decided now was the optimal time for a Roaring Moon retest.
From release, Roaring Moon is a potent physical attacker that was previously allowed in SV OU until being banned via 70.23% supermajority during an October 2023 suspect test, reintroduced after the DLC, and banned via 66.07% supermajority during a March 2025 suspect test. While Roaring Moon went viral for the overpowering breaking sets on Sun teams with Protosynthesis, the ban of Roaring Moon was due to various Dragon Dance variants limiting the amount of consistent counterplay it had. Roaring Moon boasts high enough attack to be able to focus resources on other priorities such as durability or speed, allowing it to become one of the best sweepers in SV OU's drawn out history.

Under current rule, Roaring Moon has since lost access to Tera Blast, a tool it used with the Fairy type to dispatch of potential checks like Zamazenta, Great Tusk, Ting Lu, and others. It used Tera Blast over a quarter of the time prior to being banned and some argue the surge in the bulkier Tera Fairy variants directly led to the second ban of Roaring Moon. Tera Blast being removed will not make Roaring Moon a bad Pokemon, but could it at least compromise it enough to be balanced in OU? That is going to be at the center of this discussion...unlike ancient texts featuring Tera Bug Jaw Lock Roaring Moon.

Complementing the bulkier Dragon Dance sets would be offensive variants of Roaring Moon. They were always great picks in the metagame and posed the biggest immediate threat, but these sets were susceptible to trading against teams with strong priority or exchanging Tera uses to be revenge killed by a Pokemon with a timely defensive Tera. Coverage options like Earthquake and Brick Break or utility options like Taunt and Roost paired nicely with Knock Off and Acrobatics, which is frequently paired with Booster Energy and Tera Flying. Tera Ground, which gives you a stronger Earthquake and a lot of neutral defensive matchups, can be utilized as well. It is also true that people use Choice Scarf Roaring Moon as a revenge killer or Choice Band as a breaker, especially on Sun teams with Protosynthesis. I do not think either of these variants are remotely problematic though, so they are not noteworthy in the context of a retest so much as painting a picture for the full usage profile.

Knowing that a lot of the metagame's outlook has changed over the last year-and-a-half, it already would be fair to retest a Pokemon that only got banned by 6% during the second suspect test. Having a significant move ban impact the profile of Roaring Moon furthers the logic behind retesting it. Despite this, it is true that Roaring Moon has always been controversial and could very well find ways to be broken outside of a Tera Blast metagame. There is a high bar to get something unbanned via retest, which is done on purpose to make voters engage critically with the retest and consider brokenness rather than just being tired of the status quo.

Before we proceed, I want to remind you that the ladder will have Roaring Moon allowed in order to give players the chance to assess it in our metagame. We will have a longer period to participate in the retest, too, which was not the case for the Volcarona retest due to a time-crunch with the World Cup of Pokemon looming. With these ideal conditions in mind, we hope players will take to the ladder to play with and against Roaring Moon while also taking to the forums to share their discoveries.

Over the course of this retest, it is worth noting that no AI bots or external assistance can be used for reqs laddering purposes. We will detect this if you try to circumvent the rule and, speaking personally as Finchinator, you are a loser if you try to do this. We are excited for human players to play the game against each other using strategies based on a metagame with Roaring Moon in it and seeing what the verdict is at the end of the retest. Roaring Moon is a uniquenly devastating offensive force with Dragon Dance, great coverage options, and multiple effective approaches. The metagame did not have enough counterplay for it previously, but is losing Tera Blast enough of a difference maker? We will use this retest to figure that out!

This retest serves as a great opportunity to say something we need to be putting out there more often: I just want to personally say thank you to the hard workers on the Pokemon Showdown side for making everything possible recently and this entire generation. This hobby would not be possible without you!

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The instructions to participate in this retest are as follows:
  • Create a new account on PS. You do not have to follow any specific naming convention, but your suspect account must have never played a game in OU before this suspect test went up or you will not receive valid requirements (resetting W-L does not count for this -- the account you use must never have played OU before the test, full stop.)
    • You can use /rank to check if your alt is allowed to get requirements. Whenever in doubt, type /rank and it will tell confirm if you are eligible or not
  • At any point on your new account, use the command /linksmogon on Pokemon Showdown! You will receive instructions on what to do once you run this command
  • Double check that you're listed as a voter here! If you aren't listed as a voter despite having valid reqs, please contact Finchinator and/or Ruft
  • If you have any questions about this new process, feel free to PM Finchinator or Ruft!
  • Please do not use AI bots or external assistance, including human and AI, when laddering for the suspect test.
The requirement to vote in this suspect retest is a ELO of 1750 and GXE of 80! This was done after discussion in this thread. The deadline for getting requirements will be Friday, November 20th at 10 PM GMT-5. Good luck to all!

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  • No unhelpful one liners nor uninformed posts;
  • No discussion on other potential suspects -- if you wish to discuss another Pokemon, we encourage you to do so in the metagame discussion thread, but this thread is strictly to discuss if Roaring Moon is banworthy or not;
  • No discussion on the suspect process -- this includes retesting Roaring Moon vs other potential suspects or retests;
  • You are required to make respectful posts;
  • You are required to read this thread before posting.
  • Failure to follow these simple guidelines will result in your post being deleted and infracted without any prior warning.
  • Please also take a moment to read over some suggestions from the OU Council and the OU Moderation team for posting in this thread; adhering these will help out our time moderating the thread and present your arguments better and more educated.
    • Do not argue because it's your favorite Pokemon. This should be common sense, but please don't do this, because we will delete posts like this.
    • You do not need a boatload of experience to have an informed opinion, but please try to minimize the theorymon aspect and use your experiences watching and playing. Playing some on the ladder before posting is plenty if you're concerned about this.
    • Do not flame, belittle, or be disrespectful to users in this thread. While not everyone will read this post in its entirety nor will everyone have an informed opinion, please be sure not to be disrespectful. If there's an issue, bring it up to a moderator.
    • Do not use the argument of broken checking broken. Should your argument rest on your opinion that banning the Pokemon or mechanic being tested in this suspect test will make a Pokemon or mechanic broken, overpowered, and/or uncompetitive; don't. If something needs to be banned because of the result this suspect, then so be it.
    • This thread is not to voice complaints about the suspect process or decisions of the council. While we are more than open to hearing complaints that may arise, this isn't the place for it. I suggest you message the OU Council, PM our Tier Leaders, Finchinator and Ruft, or make a post in Senior Staff requests, should you have a badge.
Should you have any questions about the suspect test, feel free to message the OU Council. And if you have any questions about the moderation of this thread, feel free to message the OU Forum Leaders. I am tagging dhelmise and Marty to let them know about this, too.

Keep in mind that our suspect tests are decided by the community; anyone who rightfully achieves voting requisites is allowed to vote. The outcome is up to you.

View qualified discussion thread here

VIEW VOTER REQS HERE
 
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