SV OU +2000 elo Triple Dragon Sun Pivot Spam

sebas99sevilla

sebas99sevilla

Hi :mad: , it is Sebas and this is my first rmt of the 9 gen. Even tho I have reached high ladder several times with my own teams, none seemed as solid as this one is, so I am posting with the hope of encouraging people to try more sun teams. I was not having good results lately, even dropped my ou points to 1500 and got something close to a 72% GXE, which are both extremely low for what I am used to, but I was not feeling comfortable in the actual tier until I built this team. Then everything went well. I can say that this team carried me from 1500 to 2000+ with a win rate above 90% more or less ( my GXE went from 71% to 79% ). I am posting this not to Flex, but for teambuilding advise because I would like this team to be as solid as possible.

Let's go with the building process:

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Ninetales with the basic smogon set because it feels perfect, I just changed weather ball for flamethrower because it felt better and more reliable. We are chosing ninetales over torkoal because it is faster, has fast wow and encore, which helps a lot vs some kyurem sets and ofc vs gambit.

Queen (Ninetales) (F) @ Heat Rock
Ability: Drought
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Flamethrower
- Encore
- Healing Wish
- Will-O-Wisp

Tera grass helps vs tusk and now vs palafin, but take into account that hitting wisp is a nightmare, and can easily make you lose your games. This team is really cruel when it comes to misses. Most of the time if you miss, you lose.

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Irene (Hatterene) @ Eject Button
Ability: Magic Bounce
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 124 Def / 132 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Healing Wish
- Psyshock
- Draining Kiss
- Calm Mind

This Hattenere set works perfectly for the team, it has proved to work pretty well. It is a basic speedy support hat, but with cm over nuzzle. This allows you to perform better as a sweeper vs fat teams when needed, but most of the time this pkm will just perform as your hazzard counter + pivot + healing wish user.
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Aphelios (Walking Wake) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Hydro Steam
- Draco Meteor
- Flamethrower
- Dragon Pulse

This was initially timid ww, but after failing to ko Slowking-G and 2hko blissey, I made it modest, and I T J U S T W O R K S. I don't even know why this is not a thing yet. This can 3 hko water tera ting lu under sun lol. Pure breaking power that makes balance or stall look like a joke. Double dragon stab because I HATE USING MOVES THAT MISS, but I have to use DM sometimes, so DP is there just for safe dragon type dmg. If you are not afraid of missing, flip turn, knock off and even scald are there.
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Madara (Roaring Moon) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Protosynthesis
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 32 HP / 220 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Knock Off
- Iron Head
- U-turn
- Earthquake

The main speed control of the team. Extremely fast under sun, and a really bulky pivot thanks to AV on the special side. It not only has a great surprise factor, but it is also solid overall. Tera steel heps vs iron valiant, that usually enters the battle in your knock off thinking you are banded, and then you tera + iron head to kill it. AV destroys pkm such as Raging bolt (tera needed) and iron moth, 2 pkm that are pretty problematic for sun. This was my best invention, the way it worked was a huge surprise, the perfect offensive pivot the team needed.

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Don (Great Tusk) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Protosynthesis
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Headlong Rush
- Ice Spinner
- Rapid Spin
- Temper Flare


The hazzard removal of the team. You just rapid spin vs ghold switch in, if it happens and you miss, temper flare kills. It works well vs corv too. Rocky helmet is by far its best item and will make you win a lot of games. Tera steel helps vs dnite, if it tries to ice spinner or tera normal xspeed you, then tera steel + ice spinner or headlong will be enough. When dnite is in the enemy team, this is your main answer, don't let the enemy team weaken him.
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Great Neck (Raging Bolt) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 20 Atk
- Volt Switch
- Draco Meteor
- Thunderbolt
- Weather Ball


The last addition. Innitially, I tested many chlorophyll sweepers, specially Scovillain with some succes, but it misses Fire blast and I hated that, + it was not bulky enough. Zamazenta was another problem for the team, as well as kyurem, so this pokemon with Scarf helps a lot vs both. He is also great into palafin.

Main Threats

Your main threats is and Will always be hax. If you miss a Draco meteor, you Will probably lose. If the pivot that was supposed to take a hit and attack dies to a crit, you lose. If wisp misses vs a roaring moon/dnite/kyurem dd, you lose. There is not much you can do, and this Will happen a lot.

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Especially tera ground dragon dance with some bulk. Vs this, don't let him set up for free, always attack no matter what you have, then try to revenge kill it with tusk before it is too late. Remember, do not get into a possition in which this pkm can freely DD ( be careful with the use of raging bolt specially vs this pokemon.

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The different options this pkm has make him a huge threat. Tusk can take him down most of the time but this will not always happen. Tera steel moon or fairy RB can help, but this pkm will almost always burn your tera. It is totally worth it tho. Bulky roost sets seem to he unbeatable sometimes, accepting feedback for minor changes in order to Beat this. I thought about CC tusk instead of ice spinner or headlong but idk or

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Once you figure out the set, it becomes easier. This pokemon has many ways to be stopped by this team, and many ways to beat it aswell, it all depends on its set, you just have to quickly react to it. The worst one possible is DD or scale shot + special attacker. Modest WW ties with this pkm. In some cases you will have to rely on luck vs it.

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Since we lack priority, this pokemon can be a huge problem. The game I needed to win to get rank 1 was lost vs this pkm when RB missed a DM, allowing him to SD, and since he had a Focus sash that was extremely problematic. Some sets can destroy the team if not taken seriously.

Paste

https://pokepast.es/06db940f0bdeff21

Replays: ( Initially all the replays were in the wrong format, but I have played a few more games to have some proper replays. I Will still leave the others there)

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2288124387-9p5ubw6xz9rgleshffoivxowujw33r4pw Raging bolt destruction

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2288125651-inl1xu6cozve9vie5rtcw4kz59sq2lmpw vs HO

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2286832002-8ak5xblddg7rxpdrrxdued7pv542me8pw vs rain

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2286841094-w6bjekwomspt32y1sbdy8yh3o84r9wepw vs leavanny Sun

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2286846233-s9rku5y0taz6unq6ro1bmh3phtjqnfjpw vs minior??


https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2286848588-esaredlvsg8rxx4a4f3ywi05adbc77gpw vs darkrai + peacharunt + prim combo

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2285666699-z6gg07xdtigbqckx8q8zrywm9qu2cekpw vs araquanid

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2285665222-o0xybwcp1dw4lm4hjp560v0sqd0e83hpw prime pult

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2285663067 omari p classical mandi cinde teams

Stall destruction https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2285662000

Vs the super used kyurem dondozo team blimax invented https://mail-attachment.googleuserc...xB5KcE9Pa9O2l0kxBLx9tJ4lfMg9NjEhWQSN1aMNu405w

Vs Toxapex Dnite bulky offense https://mail-attachment.googleuserc...NgpQ1X15L85J93WMT-DTJN6F1kglEc-6bOkFDHSdzSqMo

Vs Palafin Rain https://mail-attachment.googleuserc...fvLntboRzCcnY6r3x9yDC2FIZ3TfqYrcV-fKRoRAxDV1Q

Vs Sick Bulky offense with Tonk https://mail-attachment.googleuserc...SbrQ-eu25qnM9Qdn-z8ii8R6562v6Kv3erNWyhHET2FKQ

Vs Webs https://mail-attachment.googleuserc...UOXYU2e9OmoFZChmbWGqy2X-PFCyb4iQUe_GI6Po5f6Ss

Vs Primarina + Glowking BO https://mail-attachment.googleuserc...b_36aSC7KjCZvxzAo52ctzdA_n37Al9VjCz2lKJX8Z_wY

Vs both Dnite and RM HO https://mail-attachment.googleuserc...8KUM9BaBV3Wytl7JtovmwYa25nshjlaV3rmaejf9VF5FA

Vs a salty guy with a blaziken https://mail-attachment.googleuserc...JnUA9CKS9_PnLHLcvCS1ng3ulhZPn-1jYsAfV_MSwJXYk

Vs more palafin pivot spam https://mail-attachment.googleuserc...SGJ0ehrvs03vEVabwohYcgxcFZiTk9-wo8kuBTsnTk0D8

Vs Duckular webs https://mail-attachment.googleuserc...I8qq41CnSR16vkLIJUFBeWOrRpQx_HMdGWZ3fwbNhT2wo

VS Fat Dnite + Kyurem team https://mail-attachment.googleuserc...CN9k5kd88AVz2vUOmQ0hFXuBzklxYLVW7MjKdA_s9kXDo

Vs Zamazenta webs https://mail-attachment.googleuserc...LKGflGWqi1-XfgWwkhwxa6ZKz6rmO5trsqIwa1mPSb614

VS STALL. And this is the hardest stall game I played, the others were like WW spam and gg ez https://mail-attachment.googleuserc...npGceLm2XAqGyZPNv_3KbB01BwvaBuCY4qfsk8I4qr0bo

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Conclusion

Feel free to change items and sets, even pokemon, test with this and make it your own team if you want, and then tell me how it went for you. This team needs risky plays + a good tempo control, you cannot waste a turn. Don't always make your safest play. Games will be short, try to play around your pivots to put WW into the field early to start breaking. And the most important part, enjoy playing with the team.

That is all, thanks for your attention, sorry for my bad english (I am Spanish) and I hope this team brings more sun to the tier.
 

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sire clod said:
This is oldspicemike sun team from SCL just with a couple different sets lol, have used this same 6 many times
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Well I do not watch SCL, the team originally was built to make Scovillain work but ended up giving up and replaced it for scarf Raging bolt because I was tired of lead samurott. Most teams members are sample sets from smogon, but I changed some moves , items and natures to adapt it to my own playstyle. The only original part of the team in terms of teambuilding are the items mostly, You don't see Av moon tbf, modest ww was just a decission I made after not 2hkoing blissey and getting fustrated for it. I guess I just wanted to share a team that would have brought me to top 1 if I hadn't missed the last draco meteor I needed, even if it's basic sun with some random personal preferences, and I think it is totally valid.
 
I have a similar team but instead it has a Choice Specs modest raging bolt and proto speed wake. Is this possibly better into the meta since Raging Bolt can still break bulkier teams but Wake is much better into offence? I had one game where late game my Wake just took 6 back to back kills lmao.
 
Conflux123 said:
I have a similar team but instead it has a Choice Specs modest raging bolt and proto speed wake. Is this possibly better into the meta since Raging Bolt can still break bulkier teams but Wake is much better into offence? I had one game where late game my Wake just took 6 back to back kills lmao.
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It may be!! But can raging bolt 2 hko blissey ??
 
sebas99sevilla said:
It may be!! But can raging bolt 2 hko blissey ??
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It does after a Volt Switch with Tera Dragon Dragon Pulse, but no guarantees without prior chip. It has a much better roll with Tera Electric Thunderbolt, but I dislike spamming Tbolt when a ton of stalls run protect mons, gliscor, and Ting Lu now. The set I’ve been running is Thunderbolt Volt Switch Draco Meteor Dragon Pulse.

252+ SpA Choice Specs Protosynthesis Tera Dragon Raging Bolt Dragon Pulse vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey: 242-286 (37.1 - 43.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Protosynthesis Raging Bolt Volt Switch vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey: 150-177 (23 - 27.1%) -- 49.4% chance to 4HKO

However, against teams with like Tinkaton Gliscor etc., I kept getting pivoted around, so I’m trying out specs iron moth.

252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Fire Iron Moth Fiery Dance vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey in Sun: 266-314 (40.7 - 48.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

It only needs a single 50% raise to 2hko Blissey

252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Fire Iron Moth Fiery Dance vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Clodsire in Sun: 328-386 (70.8 - 83.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

And clodsire gets easily 2hkoed

252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Fire Iron Moth Fiery Dance vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Toxapex in Sun: 128-151 (42.2 - 49.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Fire Iron Moth Fiery Dance vs. 20 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Alomomola in Sun: 174-205 (36.5 - 43%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Even Pex and Alomomola get 2hkoed after a single SpA raise.

I’ve been running it with Fiery Dance, Overheat, (ngl probably not needed lol) U-turn, and Discharge.
 
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sire clod said:
This is oldspicemike sun team from SCL just with a couple different sets lol, have used this same 6 many times
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That's a cool team. However, I would like to say that I have built almost the exact team back when Volc was legal and Torkoal was the main sun setter, so I would like to be one taking credit here and say that oldspice was the one who stole from me(only half joking). I only used Lando instead of Tusk but other then that, I was the like one of the first to use this combination of mons. Prove of that https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2107388287?p2 .

I have also top3 ladder with this team before so yeah pretty good core.
 
lucky333 said:
That's a cool team. However, I would like to say that I have built almost the exact team back when Volc was legal and Torkoal was the main sun setter, so I would like to be one taking credit here and say that oldspice was the one who stole from me(only half joking). I only used Lando instead of Tusk but other then that, I was the like one of the first to use this combination of mons. Prove of that https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2107388287?p2 .

I have also top3 ladder with this team before so yeah pretty good core.
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The thing is that, Sun is Sun. The Pokemon that allow Sun to be competitive are limited, the team was made as a simple Sun Team with sample sets, but ended Up changing some of them. For example, the first week of sv, i made a team with torkoal, tusk, Rm, scovillain, hatt and another super common Mon I can't remember, but I Don't consider every other Sun Team to be a version of mine hahaha even if every Sun Team looks almost the same. We, Sun lovers, must stay toguether against our common enemy, glowking
 
Hey man, no shot at you just wanted to comment on sire clods comment that this is just oldspicemikes team which isn't really true.

It's true that sun can be quite limiting but there are a lot of creative ways to build it as we can see in Kittenlazers recent RMT who peaked number 1 with a very unconventional and creative sun team.

I actually consider my version that I built quite unconventional back then. I have used Life Orb/AV Bolt with 4 attacks when stuff like Leftover Bolt was the norm on sun, I used Modest Specs Wake when Speed boost was the norm and also used AV Hatt instead of your typical Eject set to better answer Bolt, Moth, Valiant and Darkrai, used Nintales when Tork was the norm back then. I actually remember having fought you back then on high ladder before during the DCT phase or something (you were using webs or something, haha).
 
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