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Okidogi, Blastoise and Yanmega as well as Revavroom are definitely at the forefront. I kind of feel like okidogi might get suspected first as it is the most straightforward case of a mon being too strong and having very limited switchins kind of like Iron Hands every time UU freed it. The other...

So it seems we are probably due for another survey, so other than the obvious Okidogi what can we expect to see on the survey?

We already discussed this, and in practice it doesn't really work for singles

i think that proves at least that we really haven’t fixed the singles meta for gen 9 yet as a lot of people jumped ship for DOU and VGC, I think that is something to keep in mind that there is definitely something wrong with this singles meta if the singles decline indicates anything But no...

Most people believe tera is not broken as shown by surveys, but those who think it shouldn't be here are alienated, I still stand by the opinion that a temporary experimental no tera ladder should definitely happen as it would make it feel like those players are at least heard and give players a...

Dogi is also a bit of a winner, as it no longer has to worry about potential earth powers coming its way from enamorus either I swear with every ban dogi gets stronger and harder to beat by the day. Mon trades too well and feels impossible to switch around, should probably be on the next survey

Probably Waterpon, Kyurem, Moon I think and then if we still have problems maybe we should think about tera again or deal with other elements and mons that could be making threat saturation worse who knows where we are going from here but as many people have said before me Fuck it we ball

I do believe it's tera that is responsible for a lot of the current problems with threat saturation due to the matchup fishing tera creates by nature. but people seem dead set on trying to preserve tera so unless people switch up I doubt anything is gonna happen any time soon or at all. I think...

A couple of pokemon would find niches up in OU I think if ghold went but you do have a point.

Waterpon, Kyurem, and Moon are the only mons that might have enough support right now and even they are shaky support wise. Only way a tera ban/suspect is ever happening is if someone manages to convince high level players or people switch up on it after a few more bans Anything can happen but...

If you want action on tera you would have to get 8 bajillion people to write it in, or just wait and see if more people think it's an issue. Mechanics aren't quickbanned unless they are blatantly op, there is a lot of nuance to tera and while I think it is too much others do not, plus even...

I think if we do discuss ghold it needs to be based on how much better spinners would be without it and how unhealthy it actually is as a mon if any action comes it's way because I think that might be worth discussing a little bit in a dedicated thread or something Because ghold may not be a...

Ghold is a case of being unhealthy but at the same time not being broken so arguing it to go is a bit awkward due to the nature of ghold's place in the meta at the moment. Even if you think ghold is still banworthy, it definitely isn't in the traditional sense, as while not broken is arguably...

Okay I do agree we shouldn't ban booster, but I kinda think Bolt (who doesn't even run booster that much since it would much rather have boots or lefties to help it set up, and I would argue it doesn't need booster to be problematic) and Roaring Moon who is contentious at the moment are maybe...

Honestly Dogi has been lowkey kinda busted, people probably just didn't notice intially because stuff like hoopa-unbound and thundurus-T were down here along with previously broken pokemon that overshadowed it initially. Lowkey this mon might be on the radar for action as it is quite the menace...

Also I'm glad not the only one who wants Bolt gone more than Gambit, I find Bolt genuinely harder to deal with than Gambit since I find counterplay more limited than gambit. Also, I think Gliscor is moreso obnoxious than broken, since unlike in DLC1 it has actual answers and is actually...

Yeah they are like at the top of my list. Waterpon and Kyurem gotta go Idk what the other three are, Ghold I think would be like 4 not because it's not broken but because it is inherently unhealthy and it going would allow spinners to actually work 3 Is like moon, it's an annoying matchup...

Well I mean you guys chose to keep tera, so that might be the issue. I will say though I do respect the efforts of the community to balance a meta around it even if I kinda feel like its impossible. Warms my heart to see that

I think A+ is as high as Darkrai goes simply because it can really get worn down hard by hazards and needs to really predict sometimes. If it's stabs were any stronger than they are this mon would be broken. Kinda glad Darkrai is kinda hazard weak and frail because if it had anymore bulk than it...

Alright, now that rain is gone could we expect more discussion on iron crown and potential action since it seems like the only controversial thing left here?