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Finals Official Smogon Tournament XII - Finals [no winner]
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njnp compromised the integrity of the tournament - I'd think that alone would warrant removing the trophy.
The current situation has pretty much resulted in njnp trading a 6-month tourban and a forced custom title for a shiny trophy. Personally, if I was offered that deal, I'd probably take it. I'm sure 90% of Smogon would as well. The way I see it, njnp has still "won" regardless of his ghosting.
Allowing him to keep the trophy at this point is simply reinforcing the popular opinion that this tournament's legitimacy is heavily declining. Prior to this tournament, I already considered njnp to be a good player and his strong performance throughout OST reinforced that opinion in my eyes. Trophy or not, his achievement is still recognized; however, retaining the trophy after cheating in the same tournament is kinda absurd.
Alternatively, we turn the OST trophy into a ghosting icon and we give it to my good friends dice and GOAO as well.
The current situation has pretty much resulted in njnp trading a 6-month tourban and a forced custom title for a shiny trophy. Personally, if I was offered that deal, I'd probably take it. I'm sure 90% of Smogon would as well. The way I see it, njnp has still "won" regardless of his ghosting.
Allowing him to keep the trophy at this point is simply reinforcing the popular opinion that this tournament's legitimacy is heavily declining. Prior to this tournament, I already considered njnp to be a good player and his strong performance throughout OST reinforced that opinion in my eyes. Trophy or not, his achievement is still recognized; however, retaining the trophy after cheating in the same tournament is kinda absurd.
Alternatively, we turn the OST trophy into a ghosting icon and we give it to my good friends dice and GOAO as well.
The day goao gets a trophy is the day I quit smogon
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stop this pizza joke it's not funny anymore
It wasn't a joke; it's a fact.
Is that relevant here? Do I have to be part of your damn clique to post here, too?
If Tele were British, I'd ask him whether $100 USD would be enough to get a teeth whitening in England just to see how much $100 is worth there. Don't be sensitive. Geesh.
I think of indian food when I think of india
Too bad i see no posts where people offend njnp's native country and its relative players :[
oh wait, wrong tournament
Go cry in a river then.
This is an American website. If you dont see how that might lead to American users not attacking other American users, then I'm sorry, logical thinking might not be what you want to specialise in.
Also fuck the American dictionary, I spelt specialise right, stop replacing S's with Z's.
It's cry me a river lol cry in a river
As if several insults to a country , based on what two young people have done on a game for kids, showed logical thinking.
Also, I beg you to not reply to this post as i'm not interested in creating more drama.
Thank you, and don't forget to have some pneumonia :)
What about red hair?
How about creating a rule like "The prizes will be given after one week" or something, which gives some time to the TDs to check the integrity of the winners?
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After we in the TD team posted our original decision regarding njnp keeping the trophy for winning OST, the general public opinion was that this decision was faulty. As a result, we decided to review our stance.
Following this, the TD team has changed its stance on the matter, and has now decided that njnp should not be considered the just winner of OST #12, and thus will be stripped of his trophy.
Our original line of thought was that njnp defeated his opponents without any extra assistance (to the best of our knowledge), which makes his win legitimate. However, we failed to consider the following factors that have made us reconsider:
1. njnp engaged in behavior that was decidedly intended to change the outcome of a set he wasn't playing. Although the outcome of the set was that the player that njnp assisted lost, this should not be used as a point in njnp's favor. By ghosting MattyBrollic, njnp essentially got two shots at eliminating a player.
2. Had njnp ghosting MattyBrollic been uncovered before the final game of the tournament been exposed, njnp would be immediately disqualified. Committing an offense and the subsequent punishment for that shouldn't be depending on when the offense is uncovered.
Moving forward, anyone who is caught cheating in a tournament will be disqualified immediately, and any accolades won from that tournament, including trophies, will be revoked if applicable, even if said instance of cheating did not directly affect their own matches. The basis for this ruling is that cheating can impact the bracket as a whole and therefore potential opponents, even if this was not the intended purpose.
On a slightly related note, we've updated our policy regarding tournament banned players. These players can no longer post in the Tournaments forum or any of the subforums, and they're no longer allowed Voice (+) on Smogtours.
Moreover, tournament banned players are no longer allowed to compete in any tournaments, even those held in other subforums than the Tournaments section. Although the Tournament Directors are not enforcing the policies we're setting outside of the Tournament forum, we expect the forum leaders of Smogon to follow the policies we're outlining and will be actings as consults to them if there's a need.
Following this, the TD team has changed its stance on the matter, and has now decided that njnp should not be considered the just winner of OST #12, and thus will be stripped of his trophy.
Our original line of thought was that njnp defeated his opponents without any extra assistance (to the best of our knowledge), which makes his win legitimate. However, we failed to consider the following factors that have made us reconsider:
1. njnp engaged in behavior that was decidedly intended to change the outcome of a set he wasn't playing. Although the outcome of the set was that the player that njnp assisted lost, this should not be used as a point in njnp's favor. By ghosting MattyBrollic, njnp essentially got two shots at eliminating a player.
2. Had njnp ghosting MattyBrollic been uncovered before the final game of the tournament been exposed, njnp would be immediately disqualified. Committing an offense and the subsequent punishment for that shouldn't be depending on when the offense is uncovered.
Moving forward, anyone who is caught cheating in a tournament will be disqualified immediately, and any accolades won from that tournament, including trophies, will be revoked if applicable, even if said instance of cheating did not directly affect their own matches. The basis for this ruling is that cheating can impact the bracket as a whole and therefore potential opponents, even if this was not the intended purpose.
On a slightly related note, we've updated our policy regarding tournament banned players. These players can no longer post in the Tournaments forum or any of the subforums, and they're no longer allowed Voice (+) on Smogtours.
Moreover, tournament banned players are no longer allowed to compete in any tournaments, even those held in other subforums than the Tournaments section. Although the Tournament Directors are not enforcing the policies we're setting outside of the Tournament forum, we expect the forum leaders of Smogon to follow the policies we're outlining and will be actings as consults to them if there's a need.
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