Piloswine (BW2 Revamp) [QC: 3/3] [GP: 2/2]

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Complete noob at this, go easy on me if I screw any formatting up.

EDITS: took in punchshrooms and ebeast's edits. I was also leaning towards taking away offensive as a set because Eviolite is superior in nearly everything, but if anybody has any beef with it I'm all ears.

I took out Stealth Rock on the Offensive set, as the Eviolite set is generally superior if running Stealth Rock, as Stealth Rock makes Piloswine lose coverage, and its less effective at setting it up because it is more frail. I replaced it with Superpower, which is good to use against Munchlax, Audino, and Lickilicky.

[Overview]

<p>Piloswine is one of the best Stealth Rock users in NU thanks to its bulk and power and also makes a very effective lead as a result. While base 100 HP and base 80 Defense are respectable in NU, Eviolite improves Piloswine's physical bulk even further. Piloswine's Thick Fat ability gives it an added advantage against Ice- and Fire-type attacks, the former now being resisted and latter neutralized in tandem with Piloswine's unique Ice / Ground typing. With its typing, Piloswine is a great switch-in to Electric-types such as Rotom-F, thus breaking Volt Switch momentum for the opponent. Additionally, Piloswine's typing and ability in particular help it take on Choice Scarf and Substitute + Nasty Plot variants of Jynx, making it the only Ground-type in NU to accomplish this feat. While many dedicated leads in NU do not stick around for the ends of battles, Piloswine can last long in a game because of its bulk and proves to be valuable for many teams late-game because of its STAB Ice Shard, capable of picking off weakened sweepers such as Braviary and Dragon Dance Altaria.</p>

[SET]
name: Stealth Rock
move 1: Stealth Rock
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Icicle Spear
move 4: Ice Shard
item: Eviolite
ability: Thick Fat
nature: Adamant
evs: 240 HP / 252 Atk / 16 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Piloswine makes a great Stealth Rock lead because it ensures that Pokemon such as Scolipede can only get one layer of Spikes up and beats common Stealth Rock leads such as Golem, Gigalith, and Probopass with its bulk and STAB Earthquake. Piloswine is even bulky enough to survive Choice Scarf Sawk and Primeape's Close Combats, and KO them with a combination of Earthquake and Ice Shard. Icicle Spear is used primarily to break Substitutes from Pokemon such as Misdreavus, Mandibuzz, and Murkrow, and Ice Shard is used to pick off weakened threats that attempt to capitalize on Piloswine's lackluster Speed. Piloswine's bulk enables it to stay in the game for a longer period of time and also makes it a great switch-in to Electric-type Pokemon seen in Zebstrika and Rotom-F, making it a great way to stop Volt Switch momentum.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EV spread for this set is fairly straightforward, capitalizing on Piloswine's two main selling points: bulk and power. The 16 Speed EVs allow Piloswine to outspeed max Speed Torkoal and attack with Earthquake before it is able to do any damage. Icicle Crash can be considered over Icicle Spear as it is more powerful than Icicle Spear in most instances, but Icicle Spear is generally better because of its ability to break Substitutes and Earthquake is Piloswine's main form of offense regardless. Toxic can also be used over Icicle Spear if one wishes to poison common switch-ins, such as Alomomola and Wartortle. Lastly, an additional EV spread of 240 HP / 156 Atk / 96 Def / 16 Spe with an Impish nature can be used for more bulk. This spread in particular can be used in tandem with Roar due to Piloswine's heightened defensive presence.</p>

<p>Spikes support from Scolipede and Roselia is beneficial for Piloswine in order to rack up additional entry hazard damage alongside Stealth Rock. Pokemon that switch in on Water-type moves such as Samurott, Ludicolo, and Serperior also make great partners as well; Jynx in particular takes great advantage of Stealth Rock and is also immune to Water-type attacks. Pokemon that can switch into Fighting-type attacks also work well; for example, Misdreavus can come in on a Choice-locked Close Combat from Sawk or Primeape and force a switch, thus shifting momentum in your favor. Carracosta boasts great offensive synergy alongside Piloswine because it is able to set up on Normal-type attackers that Piloswine cannot switch into safely such as Swellow and Zangoose, and Piloswine can aid Carracosta by taking down certain Choice Scarfed Pokemon such as Rotom-A and Jynx.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Piloswine's role in NU is rather limited due to its movepool. Endeavor + Ice Shard with Focus Sash is an alternative option to be used as a lead, but it is inferior because it sacrifices Piloswine's bulk and longevity. A Curse set with Avalanche can be considered, but this is usually quite unsuccessful because Piloswine has subpar Special Defense which can easily be taken advantage of. Piloswine can try a Choice Band or Life Orb set for more offensive capability, but this is also inferior to the tank set because it is not guaranteed Stealth Rock and wastes Piloswine's bulk as well. Stone Edge and Superpower can be options to consider on such sets; Stone Edge can beat Pokemon such as Articuno, while Superpower helps against bulker Normal-types such as Audino, Miltank, and Lickilicky. Piloswine also has access to Light Screen and Reflect, but it would need to sacrifice Eviolite to run screens for a prolonged period with Light Clay, which is not it otherwise.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Water-types such as Alomomola and Wartortle are great responses to Piloswine. Alomomola can wall any attack Piloswine uses, and use Scald and Toxic to whittle away its health. Wartortle can similarly use Scald and Toxic to beat Piloswine in addition to being able to spin Stealth Rock away, although it lacks recovery much like Piloswine. Will-O-Wisp Misdreavus can come in on Earthquake or Stealth Rock and proceed to burn Piloswine, thus hindering its ability to deal significant damage. Tangela can also come in on Earthquake and Stealth Rock and is also bulky enough to withstand hits from an Ice-type attack from Piloswine's Ice-type attacks and then retaliate with Giga Drain. Tangela also commonly run Knock Off, which would hurt Piloswine's bulk by removing Eviolite.</p>

<p>There are also Pokemon that are strong enough to simply OHKO Piloswine right off the bat and act as checks against it. Choice Banded Fighting-types such as Sawk can come in and kill with Close Combat, and Choice Specs Charizard can OHKO it with Fire Blast. Samurott is also a common attacker that can OHKO Piloswine by running Hydro Pump with Life Orb and can also set up Swords Dance and proceed to use Waterfall. Pokemon such as Simipour, Serperior, Ludicolo, and Seismitoad can also deal significant damage to Piloswine, although they are not always able to land an OHKO on Piloswine and only act as solid responses if Piloswine is weakened enough.</p>

 

[Punchshroom]

[Overview]
Taking 2 hits implies it can survive 2HKOs from Water, Grass and Fighting attacks, which it usually does not from invested foes that get STAB from them.

[SR AC]
Simipour does not take Water moves well at all, nor can it retaliate that well. Perhaps replace that with something like Serperior or Ludicolo who can take the Water move and return fire.

 

[ebeast]

[Overview]
I agree with Punchshroom, it'd be best if you rephrase to say something like its bulk lets it survive powerful attacks including...(you list some here)
Main thing that needs to be emphasized here is that Piloswine is one of the best Electric-type switch ins in the tier and does can easily stop Volt Switch momentum. When saying that it beats SR leads, change that to entry hazard leads because Scolipede does not get SR. Also add that Thick Fat lets it take on Scarf and SubNP variants of Jynx while also letting it take on Rotom-F, which no other Ground-type in NU can do.

In my opinion Piloswine's set should still be named Tank, because that's exactly what it is. Stealth Rock is a huge part of why its used by the combination of bulk and typing+ability is what makes it so popular.

[Set] (Tank)
Icicle Crash is inferior to Spear in most situations; it has a chance to miss, can't break subs, and its flinch rate can't be taken advantage of since Pilo is so slow. I would move it to AC as an option for more damage consistency, but make sure it's heavily emphasized that Spear is superior. EVs should be: 240 HP / 252 Atk / 16 Spe Adamant; 16 Spe allowing Pilo outspeeed Smashkoal. Also make the set order: Stealth Rock / Earthquake / Icicle Spear / Ice Shard

[Set Comments] (Tank)
Fix to go along with the Set changes.

[Additional Comments] (Tank)
This is where a lot of things can be added. Toxic should definitely be in AC as Piloswine can lure in Alomomola and Toxic it to make it easier for common teammates (Carracosta) to have an easier time. A more physically defensive spread of: 240 HP / 156 Atk / 96 Def / 16 Spe with Impish can be used as it tanks physical hits even better than before while still having pretty good offensive presence. For this set Roar becomes a good option to use over Icicle Spear. Definitely mention Carracosta as a partner; Costa covers the Flying and Normal types that Piloswine has a harder time covering by itself and likes Piloswine's ability to take on Scarf Rotom-A and Jynx, who can stop Carracosta from sweeping after a Shell Smash.

The Offensive set is pretty damn bad and loses out on the 2 things that make Piloswine good: Stealth Rock and great bulk. Definitely do not include it in the analysis.

[Other Options]
Roar was used in AC so you can remove it from here. I would mention from the beginning of this section that Piloswine doesn't have many viable option outside of what is already mentioned. You can add the Offensive set here now that it won't be in the analysis.

Implement it and I'll stamp later.

 

[ebeast]

Got your PM
Just add in the Overview that it's one of the best switch ins to Electric-type Pokemon and finish w/e you were going to say in the first point. (I assume it was that it beats most of them 1v1)

QC Approved 1/3

 

[Annoyer]

mention stone edge and superpower in oo to hit some mons harder like articuno, rotom-f, charizard, or like miltank (for superpower)
add partners that can pass a wish to it such as audino, lickilicky, or alomomola because piloswine lacks any recovery and lets it stay alive longer etc
add misdreavus too because it can spinblock the rocks as well as being a good switch in for fighting types
add samurott in checks and counters because it can either set up with sd or ohko it with hydro pump

looks bueno qc 2/3

 

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Everything's written, feedback is appreciated.

edit: thanks for the catch, tennis

 

[tennisace]

I'm not sold on some awkward wording in the intro, but that's more for GP to hammer out. Also, you're missing a buttload of EVs on the defensive spread you list in AC, I assume you just forgot to list defense in there.

 

[tennisace]

3/3

@Plus in the future use the user tag in a new post with @(user with no parenthesis) to let us know when you've fixed stuff!!

gp this

 

[melvni]

GP check. Good job on writing this.
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[Overview]

<p>Piloswine is one of the best Stealth Rock users in NU thanks to its bulk and power, (remove comma) and also makes a very effective lead as a result. While 100 base HP and 80 base base 100 HP and base 80 Defense are respectable in NU, Eviolite improves upon these stats even further. Its Piloswine's Thick Fat ability gives it an added boost against Ice- and Fire-type attacks, both of which are useful in tandem with its unique Ice / Ground typing. With its typing, it is a great switch in switch-in to Electric-types such as Rotom-F and Rotom-S, which is very important in breaking Volt Switch momentum for the opponent. Additionally, Piloswine's typing and ability in particular help it take on Choice Scarf and Substitute + Nasty Plot variants of Jynx, being making it the only Ground-type in NU able to accomplish this feat. While many dedicated leads in NU do not stick around for the ends of battles, Piloswine can last long in a game because of its bulk, (remove comma) and proves to be valuable for many teams late game late-game because of its STAB Ice Shard, capable of picking off weakened sweepers in such as Braviary and Dragon Dance Altaria to name a few.</p>

[SET]
name: Stealth Rock
move 1: Stealth Rock
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Icicle Spear
move 4: Ice Shard
item: Eviolite
ability: Thick Fat
nature: Adamant
evs: 240 HP / 252 Atk / 16 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Piloswine makes a great Stealth Rock Lead lead because it ensures that Pokemon such as Scolipede can only get one layer of Spikes up, (remove comma) and beats common Stealth Rock leads such as Golem, Gigalith, and Probopass with its bulk and STAB Earthquake. Piloswine is even bulky enough to last take a hit from attacks such as Choice Scarf Sawk and Primeape Primeape's Close Combats, then beat them with a combination of Earthquake and Ice Shard. Icicle Spear is used primarily to break Substitute Substitutes from Pokemon such as Misdreavus, Mandibuzz, and Murkrow, while and Ice Shard is used to pick off weakened threats that attempt to capitalize on Piloswine's lackluster speed Speed. Piloswine's bulk enables it to stay in the game for a longer period of time and also makes it a great switch-in to Electric-type Pokemon like Zebstrika and Rotom-F, which is a great way to stop Volt Switch momentum.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EV spread for this set is fairly straightforward, as Piloswine aims to capitalize on its capitalizing on Piloswine's two main selling points in bulk and power. 16 Speed EVs allows for Piloswine to outspeed SMASHKOAL and attack with Earthquake before it is able to do any damage. Icicle Crash can be considered over Icicle Spear as it is more powerful than Icicle Spear in most instances, but Icicle Spear is generally better because of its ability to break Substitute, in addition to Earthquake being Substitutes and Earthquake is Piloswine's main form of offense regardless. Toxic can also be used over Icicle Spear if one wishes to poison common switch ins switch-ins to Piloswine such as Alomomola and Wartortle. Lastly, an additional EV spread of 240 HP / 156 Atk / 96 Def / 16 Spe with an Impish nature can be used for more bulk. This spread in particular can be used in tandem with Roar due to Piloswine's heightened defensive presence.</p>

<p>Piloswine works well alongside bulkier offensive teams, so Spikes support from Scolipede and Roselia are is beneficial to Piloswine in order to rack up damage with Stealth Rock and Earthquake (this sentence really needs to be rephrased; right now it says Piloswine works well on a certain type of team and because of this it appreciates other hazards so it can do damage with Stealth Rock and Earthquake; I'm going to let you handle that because you probably have a better idea what you meant than me). Pokemon that switch in on water Water-type moves such as Samurott, Ludicolo, and Serperior also make great partners as well; Jynx in particular takes great advantage of Stealth Rock and is also immune to Water-type attacks, but is generally hard to switch in regardless because of its frailty. Pokemon that can switch into Fighting-type attacks also work well; for example, Misdreavus can come in on a Choiced Sawk or Primeape Close Combat and force a switch, thus shifting momentum in your favor. Carracosta boasts great offensive synergy alongside Piloswine because it is able to set up on Normal-type attackers that may might give Piloswine a problem, while and Piloswine aids can aid Carracosta by taking down certain Choice Scarfed Pokemon like Rotom-A and Jynx.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Piloswine's role in NU is rather limited, (remove comma) despite doing its job as a Stealth Rock Lead it very well. Endeavor + Ice Shard with Focus Sash is an alternative option to be used as a lead, but it is inferior because it sacrifices Piloswine's bulk and longevity. A Curse set with Avalanche can be considered, although but this is usually quite unsuccessful because Piloswine has sub-par subpar Special Defense. Piloswine can try a Choice Band or Life Orb set for more offensive capability, but this is also inferior to the Tank tank set because it is not guaranteed Stealth Rock, (remove comma) and wastes Piloswine's bulk as well. Stone Edge and Superpower can be options to consider on such sets; Stone Edge can beat Pokemon such as Articuno, while and Superpower helps against bulker Normal-types like such as Audino, Miltank, and Lickilicky. Piloswine also has access to Light Screen and Reflect, although Piloswine but it would need to sacrifice Eviolite to run screens for a prolonged period of time due to Light Clay, and this is not worth the lost coverage otherwise.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Water-types such as Alomomola and Wartortle are great responses to Piloswine; (start new sentence) Alomomola can wall any attack Piloswine uses, while being able to and use Scald and Toxic to whittle away at Piloswine's its health. Wartortle can similarly use Scald and Toxic to beat Piloswine in addition to being able to spin rocks Stealth Rock away, although it lacks recovery much like Piloswine. Will-o-Wisp Will-O-Wisp Misdreavus can come in on an Earthquake or a Stealth Rock and proceed to burn Piloswine, thus hindering its ability to deal significant damage to a multitude of threats. Tangela can also come in on Earthquake and Stealth Rock, (remove comma) and is also bulky enough to withstand hits from an Ice-type attack from Piloswine, (remove comma) then retaliate with Giga Drain. Tangela also commonly run Knock Off, which would hurt Piloswine's bulk with the lack of by removing Eviolite.</p>

<p>There are also Pokemon that are strong enough to simply OHKO Piloswine right off the bat, (remove comma) and act as checks against it. Choice Banded Fighting-types such as Sawk can come in and kill with Close Combat, while and Choice Specs Charizard can OHKO it with Fire Blast. Samurott is also a common attacker that can OHKO Piloswine by running Hydro Pump with Life Orb,(remove comma) and can also set up Swords Dance and proceed to use Waterfall. Pokemon such as Simipour, Serperior, Ludicolo, and Seismitoad can also deal significant damage to Piloswine although they are not always able to land an OHKO on Piloswine, (remove comma) and act as solid responses only if Piloswine is weakened enough.</p>

GP: 1/2

 

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[Overview]

<p>Piloswine is one of the best Stealth Rock users in NU thanks to its bulk and power and also makes a very effective lead as a result. While base 100 HP and base 80 Defense are respectable in NU, Eviolite improves upon these stats Piloswine's physical bulk [Eviolite doesn't improve HP so I think physical bulk is better.] even further. Piloswine's Thick Fat ability gives it an added boost advantage against Ice- and Fire-type attacks, both of which are useful in the former now being resisted and latter neutralized in tandem with its Piloswine's unique Ice / Ground typing. With its typing, it Piloswine is also a great switch-in to Electric-types such as Rotom-F Zebstrika [Putting both Rotom's is kind of redundant.] and Rotom-S, which is very important in breaking any Volt Switch momentum for the opponent. Additionally, Piloswine's typing and ability in particular help it take on Choice Scarf and Substitute + Nasty Plot variants of Jynx, making it the only Ground-type in NU to accomplish this feat. While many dedicated leads in NU do not stick around for the ends of battles, Piloswine can last long in a game because of its bulk and proves to be valuable for many teams late-game because of its STAB Ice Shard, capable of picking off weakened sweepers such as Braviary and Dragon Dance Altaria to name a few.</p>

[SET]
name: Stealth Rock
move 1: Stealth Rock
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Icicle Spear
move 4: Ice Shard
item: Eviolite
ability: Thick Fat
nature: Adamant
evs: 240 HP / 252 Atk / 16 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Piloswine makes a great Stealth Rock lead because it ensures that Pokemon such as Scolipede can only get one layer of Spikes up and beats common Stealth Rock leads such as Golem, Gigalith, and Probopass with its bulk and STAB Earthquake. Piloswine is even bulky enough to take a hit from attacks such as survive Choice Scarf Sawk and Primeape's Close Combats, then beat and KO them with a combination of Earthquake and Ice Shard. Icicle Spear is used primarily to break Substitutes from Pokemon such as Misdreavus, Mandibuzz, and Murkrow, and Ice Shard is used to pick off weakened threats that attempt to capitalize on Piloswine's lackluster Speed. Piloswine's bulk enables it to stay in the game for a longer period of time and also makes it a great switch-in to Electric-type Pokemon like seen in Zebstrika and Rotom-F, which is making it a great way to stop Volt Switch momentum.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EV spread for this set is fairly straightforward, capitalizing on Piloswine's two main selling points: in bulk and power. The 16 Speed EVs allow Piloswine to outspeed SMASHKOAL max Speed Torkoal and attack with Earthquake before it is able to do any damage. Icicle Crash can be considered over Icicle Spear as it is more powerful than Icicle Spear in most instances, but Icicle Spear is generally better because of its ability to break Substitutes and Earthquake is Piloswine's main form of offense regardless. Toxic can also be used over Icicle Spear if one wishes to poison common switch-ins, to Piloswine such as Alomomola and Wartortle. Lastly, an additional EV spread of 240 HP / 156 Atk / 96 Def / 16 Spe with an Impish nature can be used for more bulk. This spread in particular can be used in tandem with Roar due to Piloswine's heightened defensive presence.</p>

<p>Spikes support from Scolipede and Roselia is beneficial to for Piloswine in order to rack up damage with additional entry hazard damage alongside Stealth Rock and Earthquake [Not sure why EQ is mentioned.]. Pokemon that switch in on Water-type moves, such as Samurott, Ludicolo, and Serperior, also make great partners as well; Jynx in particular takes great advantage of Stealth Rock and is also immune to Water-type attacks, but is generally hard to switch in regardless because of its frailty [You're mentioning Jynx as an answer to Water-type attacks and how it benefits from Stealth Rock, I don't think pointing out its flaws is necessary.]. Pokemon that can switch into Fighting-type attacks also work well; for example, Misdreavus can come in on a Choice-locked Close Combat from Sawk or Primeape Choiced Sawk or Primeape Close Combat and force a switch, thus shifting momentum in your favor. Carracosta boasts great offensive synergy alongside Piloswine because it is able to set up on Normal-type attackers that might give Piloswine a problem [What Normal-type gives Piloswine trouble exactly? Tauros, Zangoose, and Kangaskhan lose. Swellow and Braviary lose to Ice Shard too.], and Piloswine can aid Carracosta by taking down certain Choice Scarfed Pokemon like such as Rotom-A and Jynx.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Piloswine's role in NU is rather limited despite doing it very well due to its movepool. Endeavor + Ice Shard with Focus Sash is an alternative option to be used as a lead, but it is inferior because it sacrifices Piloswine's bulk and longevity. A Curse set with Avalanche can be considered, but this is usually quite unsuccessful because Piloswine has subpar Special Defense which can be easily taken advantage of. Piloswine can try a Choice Band or Life Orb set for more offensive capability, but this is also inferior to the tank set because it is not guaranteed Stealth Rock and wastes Piloswine's bulk as well. Stone Edge and Superpower can be options to consider on such sets; Stone Edge can beat Pokemon such as Articuno, while Superpower helps against bulker Normal-types such as Audino, Miltank, and Lickilicky. Piloswine also has access to Light Screen and Reflect, but it would need to sacrifice Eviolite to run screens for a prolonged period of time due to with Light Clay, and this which is not worth it the lost coverage otherwise.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Water-types such as Alomomola and Wartortle are great responses to Piloswine. Alomomola can wall any attack Piloswine uses and use Scald and Toxic to whittle away at its health. Wartortle can similarly use Scald and Toxic to beat Piloswine in addition to being able to spin Stealth Rock away, although it lacks recovery much like Piloswine. Will-O-Wisp Misdreavus can come in on an Earthquake or a Stealth Rock and proceed to burn Piloswine, thus hindering its ability to deal significant damage. Tangela can also come in on Earthquake and Stealth Rock and is also bulky enough to withstand hits from an Piloswine's Ice-type attacks from Piloswine then and retaliate with Giga Drain. Tangela also commonly run Knock Off, which would hurt Piloswine's bulk by removing Eviolite.</p>

<p>There are also Pokemon that are strong enough to simply OHKO Piloswine right off the bat and act as checks against it. Choice Banded Fighting-types such as Sawk can come in and kill with Close Combat, and Choice Specs Charizard can OHKO it with Fire Blast. Samurott is also a common attacker that can OHKO Piloswine by running Hydro Pump with Life Orb and can also set up Swords Dance and proceed to use Waterfall. Pokemon such as Simipour, Serperior, Ludicolo, and Seismitoad can also deal significant damage to Piloswine, although they are not always able to land an OHKO on Piloswine and only act as solid responses only if Piloswine is weakened enough.</p>

Grats on your first analysis.
GP 2/2

 

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