Movepool Revisions - Kitsunoh

[Umbreon Dan]

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Introduction:

This is the thread in which we will be revising kitsunoh's movepool. All aspects of his movepool, including TM moves, Move Tutor moves, Level-Up moves, and Egg Moves will be revised according to the limits listed below and the requirements listed in this process guide article. All process details for the revisions can be found in this thread.

Base Stat Rating & Movepool Limits:

This is where the BSR Overall Rating and Movepool Limit are decided. In accordance with this process guide article, all CAPs must have a Overall BSR limit that is balanced by the maximum of that CAP's Very Good Move (VGM) limit. The calculator for the Overall BSR of a Pokemon can be found here.

KITSUNOH's Overall BSR: 294 GOOD​

Resulting Movepool Size Limit: 85
Resulting VGM Limit: 40

Current Movepool
Reference: darkie's Winning Movepool
Move Count: 95
VGM Count: 48

Level-Up Moves

Total: 16
VGM: 6

0 Ice Fang
0 Thunder Fang
0 Scratch
0 Tail Whip
6 Lick
10 Odor Sleuth
14 Faint Attack
18 Shadow Sneak
22 Copycat
27 Metal Claw
31 Memento
35 Fake Out
40 Shadow Claw
44 Revenge
49 ShadowStrike
55 Perish Song

TM/HM Moves

Total: 48 + 5 = 53
VGM: 25 + 1 = 27

TM05 Roar
TM06 Toxic
TM10 Hidden Power
TM11 Sunny Day
TM12 Taunt
TM15 Hyper Beam
TM17 Protect
TM18 Rain Dance
TM20 Safeguard
TM21 Frustration
TM23 Iron Tail
TM26 Earthquake
TM27 Return
TM28 Dig
TM29 Psychic
TM30 Shadow Ball
TM31 Brick Break
TM32 Double Team
TM40 Aerial Ace
TM41 Torment
TM42 Facade
TM43 Secret Power
TM44 Rest
TM45 Attract
TM46 Thief
TM49 Snatch
TM53 Energy Ball
TM54 False Swipe
TM56 Fling
TM61 Will-O-Wisp
TM63 Embargo
TM65 Shadow Claw
TM66 Payback
TM68 Giga Impact
TM70 Flash
TM74 Gyro Ball
TM77 Psych Up
TM78 Captivate
TM79 Dark Pulse
TM80 Rock Slide
TM82 Sleep Talk
TM83 Natural Gift
TM85 Dream Eater
TM87 Swagger
TM89 U-turn
TM90 Substitute
TM91 Flash Cannon
TM92 Trick Room


HMs

HM01 Cut
HM03 Surf
HM04 Strength
HM05 Defog
HM06 Rock Smash

Egg Moves

Total: 8
VGM: 3
Egg Groups: ground

FeatherDance
Metal Sound
Curse
Flail
Psycho Shift
Mud-Slap
Yawn
Meteor Mash

Move Tutor Moves

Total: 18
VGM: 10

Endeavor
Headbutt
Ice Punch
Icy Wind
Iron Head
Knock Off
Last Resort
Low Kick
Magic Coat
Mud-Slap
Ominous Wind
Pain Split
Role Play
Snore
Spite
Super Fang
Superpower
ThunderPunch
Trick

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new Movepool
Move Count: 83
VGM Count: 40

Level-Up Moves

Total: 15
VGM: 5

- Scratch
- Tail Whip
6 Lick
10 Odor Sleuth
14 Faint Attack
18 Shadow Sneak
22 Copycat
27 Metal Claw
31 Memento
35 Fake Out
40 Shadow Claw
44 Revenge
49 ShadowStrike
55 Perish Song

TM/HM Moves

Total: 41 + 2 = 43
VGM: 19 + 0 = 19

TM05 Roar
TM06 Toxic
TM10 Hidden Power
TM11 Sunny Day
TM12 Taunt
TM15 Hyper Beam
TM17 Protect
TM18 Rain Dance
TM20 Safeguard
TM21 Frustration
TM23 Iron Tail
TM26 Earthquake
TM27 Return
TM28 Dig
TM30 Shadow Ball
TM32 Double Team
TM41 Torment
TM42 Facade
TM43 Secret Power
TM44 Rest
TM45 Attract
TM46 Thief
TM49 Snatch
TM54 False Swipe
TM56 Fling
TM61 Will-O-Wisp
TM63 Embargo
TM65 Shadow Claw
TM68 Giga Impact
TM70 Flash
TM77 Psych Up
TM78 Captivate
TM79 Dark Pulse
TM82 Sleep Talk
TM83 Natural Gift
TM85 Dream Eater
TM87 Swagger
TM89 U-turn
TM90 Substitute
TM91 Flash Cannon
TM92 Trick Room


HMs

HM01 Cut
HM05 Defog

Egg Moves

Total: 7
VGM: 3
Egg Groups: ground

FeatherDance
Metal Sound
Curse
Flail
Psycho Shift
Yawn
Meteor Mash

Move Tutor Moves

Total: 20
VGM: 13

Endeavor
Fury Cutter
Headbutt
Iron Defense
Ice Punch
Icy Wind
Iron Head
Knock Off
Last Resort
Low Kick
Magic Coat
Ominous Wind
Pain Split
Snore
Spite
Sucker Punch
Super Fang
Superpower
ThunderPunch
Trick

changelist:
added fer def and suck punch, both vgms, t-m, tutor.
removed (vgms) surf, elemental fangs, psychic, energy ball, aerial , brick break, and gyro ball.
removed (nonvgms) mudslap, strength, and role play.

Justification:

this was pretty easy; kitsunoh had a lenient requirement of 85/40 and he had a ton of shit moves like psychic and energy ball. the fangs went because they're just worse versions of the elemental punches and because i've never really seen kitsunoh as a fangy pokemon. i left the cutting moves because i decided that claws are more fitting than fangs. i might still remove super fang to be consistent, but i dunno yet. also i only had to add two moves so that was convenient.

complete list of moves that got the boot:

Surf, Energy Ball, Thunder Fang, Ice Fang, Psychic, Aerial Ace, Gyro Ball, Brick Break, Mud-Slap, Strength, Role Play Rock Slide, Payback

as you can see kitsunoh didn't lose anything that he remotely cared about so there isn't much to 'justify'

couple of changes still on my mind... how about meteor mash (a good move on metagross but nobody uses it on kits... still, it does have potential)? i wouldn't mind getting surf back on there because i think kitsunoh surfing is funny. he still has all of his cool tricks like torment, featherdance, and perish song, which i think is important on this pokemon.

added fury cutter because it wasn't there? ??? ?

 

[Deck Knight]

Yeah so after getting on you so much I should look over this.

new Movepool
Move Count: 85
VGM Count: 39

Level-Up Moves

Total: 14
VGM: 4

0 Scratch
0 Tail Whip
6 Lick
10 Odor Sleuth
14 Faint Attack
18 Shadow Sneak
22 Copycat
27 Metal Claw
31 Memento
35 Fake Out
40 Shadow Claw
44 Revenge
49 ShadowStrike
55 Perish Song

TM/HM Moves

Total: 43 + 2 = 45
VGM: 20 + 0 = 20

TM05 Roar
TM06 Toxic
TM10 Hidden Power
TM11 Sunny Day
TM12 Taunt
TM15 Hyper Beam
TM17 Protect
TM18 Rain Dance
TM20 Safeguard
TM21 Frustration
TM23 Iron Tail
TM26 Earthquake
TM27 Return
TM28 Dig
TM30 Shadow Ball
TM32 Double Team
TM41 Torment
TM42 Facade
TM43 Secret Power
TM44 Rest
TM45 Attract
TM46 Thief
TM49 Snatch
TM54 False Swipe
TM56 Fling
TM61 Will-O-Wisp
TM63 Embargo
TM65 Shadow Claw
TM66 Payback
TM68 Giga Impact
TM70 Flash
TM77 Psych Up
TM78 Captivate
TM79 Dark Pulse
TM80 Rock Slide
TM82 Sleep Talk
TM83 Natural Gift
TM85 Dream Eater
TM87 Swagger
TM89 U-turn
TM90 Substitute
TM91 Flash Cannon
TM92 Trick Room


HMs

HM01 Cut
HM05 Defog

Egg Moves

Total: 7
VGM: 3
Egg Groups: ground

FeatherDance
Metal Sound
Curse
Flail
Psycho Shift
Yawn
Meteor Mash

Move Tutor Moves

Total: 19
VGM: 12

Endeavor
Headbutt
Iron Defense
Ice Punch
Icy Wind
Iron Head
Knock Off
Last Resort
Low Kick
Magic Coat
Ominous Wind
Pain Split
Snore
Spite
Sucker Punch
Super Fang
Superpower
ThunderPunch
Trick

My count on this per the spreadsheet is that you have 42 VGMs, not 39. So there still needs to be some cuts. Meteor Mash and Dark Pulse are probably the easiest things to drop without losing any utility, though Payback isn't that helpful either. If you get rid of these three, you can open up a slot for a VGM.

Unfortunately, Surf comes with Ice Beam and Blizzard attached, so there's no room to put it back. Bullet Punch however would be interesting, as it can deal effectively with Aerodactyl and help it revenge Scarftar.

For a few Non-VGMs if you want to add some flavor, Grudge fits, as does Me First for our "ultimate scout." Strength might also add a bit of flavor.

 

[Raj]

I would leave Meteor Mash on Kit. I think I'm the only person who ever uses it, but it is Kit's most powerful attack and I don't think it warrants removal.

 

[Rising_Dusk]

Alrighty, finally got to reviewing this. My count on my spreadsheet hits 84/42, so you need to remove two moves. I suggest removing Meteor Mash and Magic Coat. Dark Pulse could also go as Deck suggested, although I really think that it would be good to keep it for flavor's sake. Also, you could get rid of Super Fang.

Otherwise, the movepool is fine. It is interesting to reminisce that both Shadow Force and Heart Swap were allowed on Kitsunoh's movepool. I'm sort of glad that neither got in. I have attached my spreadsheet for reference.

 

[Deck Knight]

Checked this over, everything is done, File is attached.

Lets wrap this up.

 

[Umbreon Dan]

interesting, yours doesn't match the op!

 

[Deck Knight]

Try loading it again.

 

[tennisace]

<Deck_Knight> Yo again tennis. Kitsunoh can be closed now. Dusk can take my word for a final check, I have the sheet posted.

*gavel*